The walls are closing in on ol' gunrun now

LMAO KEKSON

>>102662805 (OP)

>>102662805 (OP)
You had the PERFECT CHANCE to say "the walls of texts ate closing in on gunrun" and you fucked it. I am very disappointed in you, anon.

>>102662923
>"the walls of texts ate closing in on gunrun"
>ate
sure, anon, i'll keep that in mind.

>>102663009
I'm visibly upset and phoneposting from the toilet. Please don't make fun of me.

>>102663314
This nigga crying over vtubers

>>102662805 (OP)
kson looks so stupid when put next to someone else with more than half a brain

This whole thing is a dog and pony show. I refuse to believe that the vtubers that founded the fucking company just twiddled their thumbs in ignorance and had no idea they weren't being paid for a year and glazed vshojo while bringing in new talent and telling them there were no cons. This whole thing stinks.

>>102662879
AHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAAH
>you bwoke my heawth my spiwit and my twust
ahahahahahahh

>>102662805 (OP)
>kekson: teehee I didn't get paid for a year whoopsiedoopsy no way to know
Everyone who ever worked at, inside or for vshojo is a twofaced and lying whore.

>>102663460
You're using your brain, anon. Please stop that. It's making Mousey's disease worse.

>>102663409
Nah, crying over the squandered potential of perfectly placed puns.

>>102662805 (OP)
All me, sorry they went bankrupt paying me to defend their ass here, my bad g

since september of last year btw

>>102663460
UHHHHM MODS?
HELLO????
DOWNVOTE THIS SEETHING NIJISISTER? ?????

>>102662923
Imagine being at computers

You think I could get a few followers if I responded too?

>we knew
>we knew
>we knew

yet didn't say nor do a thing besides glaze the company

KWAB

>>102663460
What a ridiculous notion anon.
What incentive they could possibly have to...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme
...oh.

Geega is retarded. This is the second scam corpo she fell for in two years so I don't trust shit coming out of her mouth

>>102663754
It's NOT a pyramid scheme!
it's more of a rombus.

>>102664046
A rhombus?
You mean the one who caused Vshojo to collapse like a house of cards by not joining was...!?

>>102662805 (OP)
Putting talent first lost them money while the Vtubers careers were boosted by optics, exclusivity, merch and concerts

>>102662805 (OP)
I feel like she's really skirting past another party that failed: the talents.

>>102664231
goob...ghombus?

>>102664530
>does nothing
>creates controversies destroying her competition
How does she do it?

>>102662805 (OP)
>why didn't you let us know...
You weren't paid merch money for 10 months, and we know you know and it's been on your mind every single day because you're a money-hungry greedy bitch, Kson. Why didn't you ask? All the bravado only appears when the puppy is barely breathing?

>>102663460
your rrat, then? what actually is going on?

>>102662805 (OP)
>w-why didnt you tell me, i-i didnt know
bitch you said you havent been paid since september last year

>>102663460
Yeah it's clear most of them have more blame than they're admitting to, but this was a real life things are probably more messy than the founding talents cackling over a pot of money. Things unsaid, hopes raised and dashed, lies told to themselves that are then told to others.

Still makes some of them liable though.

>>102662879
>thanks for the $11m you spent on my career though

>>102662805 (OP)
Who the fuck cares about JP branch? Name one that's not Kson
>>102662879
Boohoo you won't get to debut your 63rd model for a few weeks?

>>102662879
oops ive just burnt that $11m you spent on me though, tee hee! you broke my heart btw

>>102662879
still not dying

>>102663460
So essentially all the old talent knew shit was going under and was hoping to recruit new blood to hopefully take the burden after the old guard graduates?

>>102664605
The talents (specifically IM and kson, but not ruling out any of the others) got paid under the table with the money Vshojo stole from the IDF donation fund and others. Mouse, for whatever reason, realized they couldn't keep doing this forever and they would be caught eventually. So using her goodwill, she blew the whistle on the misappropriation without going into detail. Everyone goes into panic mode. Hell, just look at kson at this very moment sperging out over everything and not making a lick of goddamn sense.

>>102662879
She said she was never leaving Vshojo a few weeks ago. And now it's coming out she's been privy to some really nasty shit going back years.

>>102663497

>>102665048
Would Gunrun come out and say this is the case then? If I was caught embezzling money and was paying the senior talent under the table with it and one of them squealed trying to throw me under the bus I'd get them right back.

>>102665017
I wonder if this kind of scheme has a name.
I wonder if this isn't a well known tactic used by many black companies.
I wonder.

>>102663460

>>102665017
Hey, this sounds oddly familiar

>>102665048
At the very least, if Gunrun is actually going to prison, they should also be investigated.

>>102665048
in that case why would gunrun just roll over and take it? Or is the whole scam falling apart at the seams and they are all pretending while scattering the evidence to the wind?

>>102662879
I felt bad for ironmouse until I learned she does not use the oxford comma. Now I don't care what happens to her.

>>102665320
>>102665578
Come right out and admit to embezzlement in public? Hell no. Best case he and IM can both hope for is that IM can do her thing and milk out more money to make up for what was 'lost' like she already did for IDF. As for talent remuneration, it's best for everyone involved that shit gets settled out of court, quiet as possible.
All in all, only time will tell.

>>102665807
are the IDF donations going through an IDF portal or is it channeled through streamelements again

>>102662805 (OP)
Laying it on thick to try to lessen the blame of being willingly blind to fuckery since fucking last september

>>102662879
God vtubers are so insanely fucking dramatic it's sickening. The Sinder thing was another example of people acting like they just saw someone get beheaded in front of them.

>>102665941
It's thru tiltify and the IDF CEO outright went in public to thank IronMouse so you bet your ass that money is getting to her

>>102663409
what are you doing on /vt/ if not to cry/cum to vtubers

>>102662879
Apology not accepted

I've heard people saying Mouse is faking her illness. Is there any evidence to that or is it just people saying shit

>>102662805 (OP)
I don't get why all the retards are blaming talents for glazing the company and letting other vtubers enter. Kuro joined september 2023 and Michi april 2024. The company could have been perfectly fine before that. They stopped paying Kson september 2024.

>>102666081
this

>>102662879

>>102665590
based, Oxford comma is for drooling retards who cant deduce meaning from context

>mouse hatred forming a gunrun defense force
Why are sisters like this?

>>102666910
People have a hard time understanding the concept of time

>>102662805 (OP)
>public bashing at singular target in clearly corporate issue
Talents are involved deeper than they let on. Gunrun is probably fall guy for Mouse. Western chuubas been pulling some scary shady moves. Some mobster shit is going down behind all these tweets, istg.

>>102667118
It's not sisters. Remember that this board is full of shizoid contrarians. The whole world dunks on Gunrun so /vt/ must defend him.

>>102662879
This bitch got like 70 outfits with 30 different models from this company and still acts like the victim
Why are women like this?

>>102667153
I know. Mika Melatika graduated dec 2023. Kson's payment problems started september 2024. It's a long way. And even michi thought nothing was wrong until recently it was told her otherwise. The accusations of "letting other vtubers in despite knowing the shit was happening" does make sense, but it doesn't have enough foundation to it.

>>102667223

The more these talents speak out, the more it seems they are complicit with the downfall.

>>102662879
You would think that a charity that was expecting 500k from someone over a year ago would have informed them if it hadn't come through pretty early. Luckily, ol Ironlung was able to con everyone into sympathy donos yet again.

>>102668031
I'm starting to suspect that the money for the charity was actually sent to the IDF but in name of VShojo, so they could exploit the tax deduction grant. And Mouse is mad because she wanted to use it for herself.

>>102666893
Jannies won't let me tell you and it'd be nuked in seconds unfortunately

>>102662879
Waaaaaaaaa :(((((((

>>102662805 (OP)
wait, so they knew since at least two weeks that the company didnt have the money to pay them, but nobody said anything before Mouse?

And this come AFTER they pointed her that her version had a lot of holes?

Not only that, this come after she said she "prepared to graduate in July 31", but at the same time, her fellow friends just graduate on the spot?

I have to take my meds or there is a discrepancy in her story?

>>102662805 (OP)
With those funds, they may have tried a get-rich-quick scheme.
Too bad they probably listened to Reddit and tried the short Tesla approach and lost it all.

>>102669125 (me)

She also deleted her old "version of events" where she decided to stay regardless because of sponsors, meaning that she knew since before that alleged two weeks that everything was going down to flames

She really dont plan things through, does she?

>>102664605
NTA, but

For what we are seeing, i cant said for certain, but is clear that Kson is a lot more involved, as i said (here) No.102669471▶ , she is actually switching her version.

My Rrat, for the moment, is that the "Vshojo Representative" we saw is the second in command, Kson is the one who actually in charge of VshojoJP, which makes Mint idea of a idol group more intelligent in retrospective, since in a spot like that, she could leach from Hololive too without the problem of being in a company.

Essentially, Kson used a double body and pointed the blame to him to escape the secret representative allegations

google dockey where

>>102662879
t. written from a Hong Kong brothel while drinking margaritas
We’ll never see this guy again lmao. So long as he never sets foot in the US again, he’s set for life. He won.

>>102663460
Also this. Ironmouse won too, it’s effectively social suicide on vtuber Twitter to point out that it’s nigh-impossible for such a high profile talent NOT to have known a thing. If she tried that excuse in court she’d get the book thrown at her. But as far as public opinion goes she’s an angel.

>>102662805 (OP)
ironic as fuck for Kson to be saying that

>>102662879
kek

oof ouchies my freedom and zero cons

>>102663460
NDAs?
Threat of litigation that would cost them tens of thousands of dollar at the very least?
The naive hope that VS would do another VC raise(if they were even knowledgeable about the company to that degree, who knows) and they'd get paid?
I think people underestimate what it's like living a litigious culture. Can easily ruin a life that is already on a bad path towards ruin to begin with.
I don't give two fucks about VS or their talent, but it's like basic American culture to not be stupid about this shit and always watch what you say and cover your ass.
Or you get got by the lawyers.
The game is the game.

>>102674936
*dollars

>>102662805 (OP)
holy yappers
do women really?

Gunrun ain't litty

>>102663460
Considering they are pointing fingers at the COO (melody's boyfriend), you're not far off.

Melody is one of the bad ones?

>>102663460
Don't some of them have ownership in the company? Some were probably were taking pay cuts to try and keep the thing floating trying to keep the pyramid up with the new incoming talents, but the money was running out so they ended up not paying the others.

You need to look at who went the longest without getting paid. I heard KSON wasn't payed since september of 2024.

>>102662805 (OP)
Why is kson such an insufferable cunt

>>102675893

Niji is still worse btw

>>102676073
Niji is lucky that they have a good JP branch to keep them afloat. If all they had was EN, they would have been cooked.

Mel should have to have sex with me

>>102663460
Of course, they're rats fleeing a sinking ship

>>102663460

That's something that's been bothering me regarding the charity funds. When streamers do charity streams, isn't it common practice to have that money go straight to a third party that specifically exists to facilitate the transfer of funds to said charity?

In GunRun's post he mentions the money hitting the company account; that money should NEVER have gone anywhere near Vshojo, Ironmouse or anyone not involved with the charity.

Did Ironmouse set up a charity event without proper safeguards in place? Is this a simple act of negligence or is it more likely she wanted a slice of that $500,000 pie?

Maybe I'm wrong about how charity streams work, I've only seen a few, maybe someone with more knowledge can educate me.

>>102676073
>Almost gets one of their talents killed
>Hides a sex pest
>Takes all the revenue for themselves
>Black screen
>Millie
Yeah they worse.

>>102662805 (OP)
>>102662805 (OP)
>>102662805 (OP)
>>102662805 (OP)
https://x.com/veibae/status/1948509619543822703

HOLY FUCKING BASED
VEIBAE? MORE LIKE VEIBASED
VEIBAE THE QUEEN

All the talent had this shit typed out and ready to go. They never intended to honor the NDA they signed. That's something they can be taken to court for.

>>102676896
STOP THINKING CHUD

>>102676896
Oh you mean like how she posted a tiltify link after this whole thing was blown wide open and it's working perfectly fine and as intended now?

>>102676896
This has been explained: the tiltify donos went straight to IDF. But the subathon money goes from twitch to vshojo who usually take a cut and give mouse the remainder. In this case they should instead have sent it to charity, which they did not do, basically embezzling 500k. This is on top of sponsor cuts and other payments they owe to basically all talents apparently.

>>102662879
Has she apologized to Silvervale yet?

>>102662805 (OP)
>>102662879
Oh my god, WHO THE HELL CARES

>>102677521
VShojo shouldn't be taking a cut of any charity donos.

>>102677359
lol, enjoy your future jail cell Phillip

>>102663740
You know what, with that logic and evidence. I'm now more inclined to believe the rrrat that a good subset of them knew what was happening behind-the-scenes and not telling the full story.

>>102663460
These woman are brain-dead stupid, and the ones who were smarter weren't given any internal role or transparency into the workings. Which they should have demanded, which I think is a female habit of NOT DEMANDING more in negotiating for their role.

>>102677606
What did she do?

>>102677331
andd that's all it takes for yall to suck their cocks

>>102677359
>an NDA is a shield from informing the public of the company breaking labor laws and embezzling charity funds that they no doubt filed on their taxes.

You're fucked.

>>102677635
my popcorn dealer for one

>>102677781
Since Kson said she knew 2 weeks ago, I would imagine the founding members had a better idea earlier

>>102678225
Different fox you're thinking.

>>102663460
I'm mean obviously. There is no way they don't talk. I feel same way when the Indy leeches jump on drama like they were personally effected. Or when they all react to the same video within a week even when the video is a couple years old.

>>102678393
Picture in OP has Kson saying she found out 2 weeks ago from 'home girls'

>>102677652
Yes, that is the complaint. I'm just pointing out that the money they embezzled was likely the sub/bits/donor money coming straight from twitch. There were other donations(tiltify) going straight to the charity.

>>102678225

>I knew about the situacion since two weeks ago
>I also knew that they didnt want to pay me for ten whole months

DYBIFR?

>>102678966
I'm not saying she's innocent, my point is mostly that whatever/whenever she knew, the founding members knew more and earlier

>>102678966
This is really stupid, did Kson really believe up until the recent news that they were going to pay? She should have demanded her pay the second it was late. I sincerely hope she didn't spread her gullibility to her JP-mates in not speaking out, and laying there as they were getting ass-raped for free for entire year.

>>102662805 (OP)
>geega
LMAO the giga grifter

>>102662805 (OP)
>>102662879
Ironmouse stole 500k from charity, the money was her responsibility and so far she hasn't proven that someone else broke her trust with it.

>>102662805 (OP)
Is Melody on the hook for any of this shit or said anything about it? Or is she too busy gooning on Chaturbate?

>>102666910
because this is a shit board? Next you're going to think people here watch vtubers, that /v/ plays video games, that /tv/ watch tv and movies etc

>>102677248
Nope

>>102662805 (OP)
i am laughing so hard a kson. get karma'd you stupid fuck

>>102662805 (OP)
Unironically who hires him now? The incompetency is staggering right?

>>102679157
I'm afraid to tell you that THAT is the Japanese way of thinking.
Fucking yourself over so as not to cause problems for others is deeply rooted in Japanese culture.

>>102679686
I wonder if Kanata is just silently watching her flounder about in the midst of this dumpster fire?

>>102676896
Ironmouse was greedy and wanted to use donations to give her the all-time top twitch subscribers record, so she tied donations to subs. And also took a 50% cut to herself (the donothon was "50% of subs go to charity").

So the money had to go through twitch, and her twitch money goes to VShojo for her opsec reasons.

>>102662879

>>102677359
>That's something they can be taken to court for
That costs money. Hiring a lawyer to do that would also be an admission that VShojo actually has the money to do that. Which would just be digging the hole deeper, because, if the have that money, then why weren't they paying anyone. And then that very money would be subject to any legal action against vshojo for damages. And the very fact that VShojo has the money would be evidence against them.
Then again, maybe gunrun and mel's COO boyfriend are that stupid.

The gunrun defense force in here is insane. You definitely have shit for brains if you're trying to peg this on talents having some kind of conspiracy despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary and an admission by the fucking guy himself that he was committing gross financial mismanagement of the company.

>>102679797
Hire? He doesn't need hiring, he's rich. A limited liability company going under had no consequences for the owner and CEO unless he's implicated in a criminal act.

>>102679157
The calculus is:
You keep applying pressure internally but say nothing publicly -> there's a slim hope you might eventually get paid in the future
You come out publicly about it -> you're DEFINITELY not getting paid anymore, you'll be terminated, probably sued for nda breach, and possibly become the target of a smear campaign based on misinformation spread by the company to the public and other talents.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but my impression is that in general they all thought they in particular were getting screwed over, and didn't know that the entire roster was similarly getting bullshitted and not getting paid. Most of the glazing also happened much earlier in their careers when the company was still making payments on time. I guess the charity shit just tired mouse enough that she decided to say screw it and spill the beans since public opinion was pretty sure to fall on her side and there wasn't much to lose there anymore.

>>102681105
Yeah anon, but when you're a swarthy/yellow 12 year old you can't agree with the popular opinion, you know? You gotta be contrarian and get those (you)s. You don't wanna be troon, do you?

>>102681105
NDA are not shields from labor law violations, and communicating between the talents the issues in the company would have been a smart idea. Employees have the right to discuss wages, hours, and working conditions under laws like the National Labor Relations Act.

>>102681105
NDAs don't apply when the company is in breach of the contract that the NDA is part of.

You don't just sign a piece of paper and are bound by it, thats not how contracts work.

>>102662805 (OP)
Why didn't Kson let people know Vshitshow was a black company until Ironmouse spoke up?

>>102681035
A lawsuit would mean that the actual names of the talents would become public record as named parties. That can be weaponized.

>>102667031
kek

>>102680151
I hope not, she has a sololive to prepare for

>>102666893
>Is there any evidence to that
The evidence is that she's still alive, her illness magically hasn't worsened at all over the years, she sounds like an extremely healthy person, and most importantly, there's no evidence that she actually is sick.

>>102665590
That's the one that goes before "and," right?

>>102679454
Yeah, /v/ actually is a singing board judging by the videos on YouTube.

>>102681105

Nobody here is defending Gunrun.

3/4 of the posts you are thinking that defend Gunrun are just attacking Kson because her story have wholes

Is my fault her version have wholes i want that they close so i can support them properly? Is that much to ask? I have to just be their freaking mind numb slave, clapping when she does a career suicide and clapping when she does a "own the libs" moment with a dude that barely have any type for power?

Is too much to ask for a version that actually make sense?

>>102681366
Does that also apply to contractors? I've never been a contractor so I don't know the details but I know that most labor protection does not apply to them even if they are in practice treated similar to employees. In theory in that case the NLRB can override things and just declare that they were in practice employees, but that requires a lot of interpretation from the board. (See for example the battle Uber has had about being allowed to treat their driver serfs like shit.) Tough I do agree there's a good chance they'd just be classified as employees.
But it's like they say, absolutely no one is happy to be in court. And for the JP side in particular it would be almost incredible for them to both know the applicable laws and to find a lawyer competent on it.

>>102682188 (me)

Obviously, i mean holes

But seriously Anon, stop bootlicking Kson and for your live, please be sceptic for something for once in your live when you see discrepancies

>>102662879
He really doesn't sound like a bad guy. It seems like he's just a "nice guy CEO" who gave too much leeway to the talents and didn't demand enough from them. This honestly makes the talent seem like the bad guys who're just ganging up on him for the failure of the company, which was ultimately caused by their own greed. And now they're kicking him while he's down. I wish all the best for him, and I hope he doesn't face any legal consequences for things that were out of his control.

>>102681105
>half a million dollars stolen from charity.
>last seen in Ironmouse's pockets.
>Ironmouse claims she gave the money to Gunrun to give to charity.
>Gunrun claims the money got spent on other things and he didn't know about the charity.
Someone has to be held accountable and pay the 500k to the charity. Whether that's Ironmouse, Gunrun, or whoever touched the 500k from Ironmouse's check.

I feel like I'm a horrible person but I feel like the chuubas that got involved in this are also in the fault, you know you're not getting paid and you still encourage people to join? The only people I feel bad about are the JP talents that were supposed to join.

>>102682438
The money went from viewer subs and bits, to twitch, to vshojo, which was then supposed to forward it to the charity on mouse's behalf, and instead spent it to cover other financial obligations they were already behind on, hoping that they'd get more finding before anyone found out, is my understanding of the situation.

>>102663460
hmm...

>>102665807
>Come right out and admit to embezzlement in public?
He already admitted spending the charity money in the tweet so what's left to hide? He has zero plausible deniability

>>102662805 (OP)
I sincerely hope that at least one of them had a lawyer read through their contract before signing.
If he can somehow weasel his way out of legal liability due to a technicality or some bullshit clause buried in fine print that is an agreement for the use of earnings to cover operational costs, it'd make it that much more difficult to nail him down.
They should've lawyered up yesterday. The fact that people sign anything without a lawyer is baffling.

>>102681652
She thought she was higher up in the pyramid scheme than she was.

>>102681366
The law says that I'm allowed to discuss my compensation with my fellow workers, but how many of you have had an honest to god conversation with your coworkers about the details of your salary and benefits? Not to mention the inherent shame that comes with admitting that you've let somebody fuck you over for months and just took it like a trooper. Sure, once you lay it all out it feels a lot better and you realize you're all in the same boat, but the societal hurdles to admitting the problem are immense.

>>102682583
Supposedly it went to Ironmouse and she claims to have given it to Vshojo to give to the charity because she didn't want the charity to have her personal information. I think that should be proven first, and then work from there.

>>102663460
i gotta be honest i think they're all just pretty dumb. geega is the only one with some business sense which is why she hit the bricks.

>>102682812
I get in discussion about how much I get paid at least once a week with other workers. It's common place amongst people who work for a living.

>>102682765
Dumb kids never had a job before.

Also, I hope everyone trying to push "woah the talents are the ones doing shady shit!" garbage is getting paid and not doing it for free.

>>102682852
>I think that should be proven first
Gunrun admitted in his apology he got a large sum of money he didn't realize was suppose to be for charity.
He's already admitted he got the money.

>>102682983
You'd think his legal consul would've advised him not to make a public admission of guilt. Guess they're all retarded.
Makes sense, considering their lawyer isn't a real lawyer.

>>102682688
He has proven himself to be a phenomenally retarded liar in the same breath. His only hope of staying out of jail is settling this out of court. Yes, he said he spent the money, but that it was a "mistake" - which is clearly bullshit. The only question left is what was it spent on. Talents getting kickbacks is the only thing that explains literally every talent in the agency going from dickriding the company in the most aggressive fashion, to burning it all down in the span of 72 hours. It also lends creedence to why kson can't seem to get her story straight. Mouse fucked it up for everyone.

new docudrama just came out bros and sissies

>>102663460
Someone was making mad money. The company made 11 million dollars and no one got paid? Someone got paid, and got paid a lot.

>>102662879
Top ten anime betrayals

Bro Gunrun only put this out because he's planning on killing himself. He doesn't care about the legal implications here. He's a man that lost everything in a single day.

>>102662879
>Gunrun
>runs
Bravo Kojima

>>102675095
wtf why was he a global emote

>>102683356
Definitely quite a few over paid Nepo-hire leeches.

>>102683497
He co-founded Twitch. if I recall correctly

>>102682983
I don't buy it because Ironmouse should've told him what the money was for. I think they've got another employee who cashed the check, or he's lying by playing dumb. But if he wants to be the fall guy, then he needs to pay 500k to the charity.

Gunrun, here's what you do. You, and your nepo hires need to take on collective debt, and pay back your talents and the money owed to the charity. You shouldn't have hired people who were just money sinks that did absolute shit in regards to generating income for the company, and while you are the most responsible for this mess, they need to pull their weight in unfucking this whole situation since your brought them in.

>>102683580
He doesn't need to. IM already covered their tracks by tricking a fuckton of people into donating double what was 'lost' in the chaos.

>>102668461

It's not an "exploit". If they directly benefit financially by claiming it as a tax deduction, they've committed a crime. In order to file it as a deduction, they have to file it as revenue which results in net 0 change.

>>102683681
what he actually needs to do is flee to some backwater country. he's in deep shit, it's over for him.

>>102683896
If he can even afford a plane ticket LOL

>>102667223
When Doki is quoted as saying one of her models cost, what was it, 100k, AND IM bought a whole fucking house for her parents? Yeah, something smells.

>>102684016
>one of her models cost, what was it, 100k
That is 10x the cost of any typical good quality model. She needs to shop around for prices more.

>>102676896
It wasn't a charity event it was Twitchs subscribe marathon or sub-athon. For that time she said any money she makes from Twitch subs, ect 50% will be donated.
She made 1M that month so 500k should have been donated.

>>102683709
>500k vanished into the aether but it's okay because there was another charity drive after.
It's scary to have so many low iq people in the world that can't piece together why the charity still needs to receive the first 500k.

All Gunrun has to do is just say Ironmouse lied about her disease (provide no proof) and then disappear. The hell that will release

>>102683896
Where can he actually flee that he can live as a permanent resident, and the country doesn't have an extradition agreement with the US?
The guy's actually fucked. Take your lumps like a man.

>>102684376
"Ironmouse is in the Epstein files."
*vanishes with 11 million dollars*

>>102684520
He can flee to the Philippines
He looks the part already, plus the extradition agreement has no teeth, even one of FBI's most wanted can start a cult and run for office
Just don't be a retarded IRL streamer

Look man, it's not VShoujo's fault that it went down like that, all the top staff needed to be paid out their 6 digit salaries plus bonus first, you know? They were among the vtuber executive circle, and needed to show it to their Cover and Niji counterparts that they're living the high class life that comes from being in charge of vtubers. You can't seriously expect them to expose that they were actually running insolvent, because then they'd become the laughing stock of vtuber executive/senior manager circle and would never be able to show their face to them from then on

>>102686205
>because then they'd become the laughing stock of vtuber executive/senior manager circle
And what are they right at this very moment, exactly?

>>102686205
Exactly. They all needed Ferraris and yachts. It's the only way you can do business at the top.

>>102662805 (OP)
>>102662879
im confused why they didnt go to the authorities, you dont have to sue someone over breach of contract if fraud and theft is involved, it will become a criminal case and the state will cover the expenses

>>102686306
Exactly. The smarter ones would've used the moment to build up friendships and favours with them while their own office was undergoing a stellar expansion, so that they can jump ship to a similar managerial role while it looked good before Vshoujo imploded into a black hole in their own resume. I mean, given what's happened and the attention it has brought about, having anything like 'manager' or 'senior manager' for Vshoujo in your resume would go against any hiring chances, and those that do hire them would most likely take them in with extreme caution

>>102679222
ding ding ding

its 100% her fault, she knew about whats going on for years, but as long as money was funneled to her she was fine with it

>>102679460
How the fuck, really, how the fucking flying fuck!?

>>102684246
I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying that nobody is going to look into the direction of the person 'responsible' for raising over double what IDF got jipped out of. Which would be mighty helpful if said person was the reason the initial 500k went missing in the first place.

>>102663460
oy vey, stop using logic right the fuck now !
watch Silvervale stream on it, she openly says everybody knew even back in 2023, she dosnt says it, but she basically calls those who stayed greedy backstabbing bitches

its a rat race, ironmouse didnt give a fuck as long as she was being paid, others were too afraid to lose face to say shit so stayed quiet juding the current finacial loss against potential further erning loss, months fly by and suddenly same women are owen hundreds of thousands

>>102679222
>Ironmouse knew for a long time that vshojo's finances were bad
>Despite this, organizes a fundraiser for charity where the money would go through vshojo
>Acts shocked when they use that money to keep the company afloat
She's either retarded or in on it. My rrat: Ironmouse created the charity fundraiser to inject more cash into vshojo but after the charity in question started asking where the money was Ironmouse could see the writing on the wall and threw vshojo under the bus to save herself.

>>102678225
>I would imagine the founding members had a better idea earlier
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAqv5FHTQWA
Silvervale straight up says everybody knew, just didnt care

>>102663460
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. These girls are not smart, they're not even educated, that's why they went into vtubing in the first place. To them, Vshojo was a tag in their Twitter bio. They didn't handle sponsorships or merch, they just went online every day to play vidya while everything else was being handled for them. That is, they were being robbed blind. Veibae noticed it first, but couldn't ring the alarm because they immediately silenced her with an NDA. Then the grift continued, some other old talent put two and two together, and each graduated accordingly. Eventually, this misappropriation of funds reached a point where it was impossible to keep hidden, because they nicked half a mil of charity money, and that's when everything collapsed at once.

>>102687625
>My rrat: Ironmouse created the charity fundraiser to inject more cash into vshojo but after the charity in question started asking where the money was Ironmouse could see the writing on the wall and threw vshojo under the bus to save herself.
how is it a rrat, its literally what happened
she can make all the excuses she want, its her fault since it was her event organized and led by her

im fucking mind blown how people will pretend she din du nuffing

>>102687804
Which - monetary benefit for the talents or not - makes them culpable in this complete dumpsterfire shitstorm hurricane circus.

>>102687917
>Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Or ... sometimes what you see is what you get. A large scale well planned and long term embezzlement of funds perpetrated by ironmouse and Gunrun, she would cover his ass in exchange for most resources being funneled to her, he would use legal pressure to keep other talents in place.
There is a limit of what you should believe in, and from every girl we learned it wasnt even an open secret, everybody knew Gunrun is putting the company in ever bigger debt with payouts to himself and his friends, but each one has a different excuse.

You treat them like some kids, those are grown ass rich women employing often half a dozen people like lawyers, accountants and editors on top what the company is offering them. In fact almost every one mentioned they had their own lawyers go through their contracts.
What happened is that they gambled that the current loses will be worth it in long term, they gambled wrong.
And helping to cover up a crime, is also a serious crime, your intentions dont matter.

>>102676189
>Niji is lucky that they have a good JP branch
I will never forgive what they did to my girls. The KyoAni torching will look like a fucking joke.

>>102667190
the same contrarians were shitting on vshojo when the whole world was celebrating them. same contrarians were called "schizos" for point out that vshojo possible pays people to astroturf here. You need contrarians in this world to question things so that there can be progress made.

>>102687936
>IM: I will donate to charity
>IM months later: I meant the company would do it on my behalf

She collected donations from people saying she would send the funds to a charity and then turned around saying it was actually the company who was supposed to donate. Because... please understand... she has, for some retarded reason, turned over her estate to a backpack salesman, melody's bf, and youtube shitposter. Sorry!
Was she upfront that in fact she has no hands on her money and no clue what's happening with it as a multimillionaire?

DYRBI

>>102667190
No one is defending him you retard. People are just noticing that more than 1 person is involved in this massive scheme. The focus on gunrun is covering all the bad actors that are being outed in this shitshow. Your attempt to police that he is the sole and only offending party in massive fraud is telling there's more to uncover.

>>102688445
and shes still more than rich enough to cover it out of pocket, but hey, those sports cars for her family wont buy themselves

>>102688299
>You treat them like some kids, those are grown ass rich women employing often half a dozen people like lawyers, accountants and editors on top what the company is offering them. In fact almost every one mentioned they had their own lawyers go through their contracts.
I work with adult women every day, and they are exactly like big children. What you're describing takes an unnecessary leap of logic - if Ironmouse decided to steal money from the IDF, why did she blow the whistle, especially since she wasn't even the one in charge of the wallet? She has nothing to gain from this, other than losing her entire company and forever staining her reputation with this scandal.
I fully believe that Gunrun knew what he was doing. The whole "oops, I thought these 500 thousand dollars were for me" is bullshit, of course. Vshojo as a corporation definitely swindled everyone shamelessly. But there was no collusion from the talent side beyond ignorance and incompetence.

>>102688693
Difference is adult children are malicious and incompetent. Real children are just incompetent

>>102688693
I think it's fair to theorize she wasn't the mastermind but possibly in on the schemes. The fact that she was out shilling and collecting money but in fact there was an exchange of hands with the funds, and being able to pin the missing funds on an LLC which will go up in smoke in a year is a pretty convenient turn of events. All she has to do cry a little and walk away as a multimillionaire victim. In the end no one knows who actually physically accessed the funds and the populous believes the company committed fraud when Ironmouse was the one telling people to give HER money so SHE can donate it while it went into managements' pockets.

>>102688390
I have an unconscious fetish, do you happen to have the clip of when she fainted onstream by chace?

>>102687917
>incompetente
I would belive that if it was just one or 2. But everyone?
>no one knew each other were not getting paid.
These people are beyond incompetence they were delusional.

>>102688693
>if Ironmouse decided to steal money from the IDF, why did she blow the whistle,
To get ahed of the news story of vshojo bankruptcy? By striking first she puts other in position of trying to spin the narrative as she already has the victim points to use.
>She has nothing to gain from this, other than losing her entire company and forever staining her reputation with this scandal.
Except millions of $ she menaged to make and force the ceo to spend on her. That and trying to get ahead of any criminal accountability, they worked with a lot of advertising and media companies while also not paying people and lying to them. Even if they were and LLC it wont cover their ass from fraud.
>I fully believe that Gunrun knew what he was doing.
No shit, it was years in making.
If they cared they would lower costs first time they went into negative, with no assets to liquify or get loans against you cant afford to work in debt like a normal company without doing illegal shit like not paying people. And yeah, the real problem is taking the talents money, here claiming bankruptcy after the fact wont save you.

>>102689098
>>102688693

instead of
>ironrat scammed the charity not gunrun
consider
>they both worked on it together

>>102662879
>>102663460

>>102665048
kson's crashout does seem fishy, like 1-2 statements on twitter plus the livestream should've been enough but she's still yapping
it's like she's trying too hard? I honestly couldn't put it in better terms but something seems off to me

>yeah dude Ironmouse was into the scheme despite working with charity often enough to know trying to scam $500k out of one is beyond stupid
These rrats are terrible, not to mention they still make Vshojo staff sound the most utterly stupid and incompetent part of the supposed conspiracy. I find it more likely the company just told them shut up and comply until they got tired of their shit judging by the legal threats and defamation of ex-employees.
That said, if someone was truly into it, Kson sounds more likely purely because her reason not to come out is the most flimsy as far as I can see.

>>102689727
>know trying to scam $500k out of one is beyond stupid
Explain how? Seemingly no one is on the hook here because Ironmouse collected the funds and funneled them into a company which just evaporated overnight.
This money exchanging through multiple hands has muddied the waters. Normally you'd blame the person who did the collecting, in this case Ironmouse, but she's completely slipped by using her goodwill and uwu innocence. Oh and don't forget, she also just threw up a tiltify to completely deflect any attention away from the fact that she made the claims to donate and then passed the buck and shifted the narrative. She could've done the tiltify initially too, but aiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeee don't consider that.

The most stereotypical "helpless woman" bait and switch.

>>102682765
Legitimately, it really doesn't matter what's in the contract. As long as VShojo CEOs didn't personally pocket the funds, they're not going to be able to pierce the corporate veil and sue them

>>102690046
this

all these underaged or blue collar retards don't understand it's not illegal to be a bad businessman. paying your employees as you could and and legally delaying payments to your contractors (there's no law in america binding them to a timeframe) until your llc goes up in smoke and declares bankrupcy isn't a crime. these contractors/talents can sue the company but those debts don't move to personal owners. that's the advantage of making a limited liability company, google it if you wish.
as long as the business records are clean and people were simply paid their wages then there's no embezzlement. that's it., they all walk away from this

>>102689960
Anon, the company crashed and imploded, someone is likely getting sued for multiple crimes that they so nicely admited to in the official account probably hoping they are being vague enough. It doesn't make sense for IM to be part of it purely because of how many loops you have to jump to make this woman look like some greedy evil mastermind who has an entire company and its higher ups as her own personal human shields willing to sacrify themselves for her without anyone implicating her.

I just think it's strange how you're not allowed to critique someone because they are "chronically ill"

>>102690911
Don't worry anon, in here anyone can criticize you despite your mental illness.

>>102681105
NTAs I'm half shitposting but also half shitting on the talents with their stories. I understand your calculus but man, this entire campaign just feels so stupidly suspicious with everyone involved. No one is clean here.

>>102682504
It's called having some human decency when seeing other people going towards harm. Congratulations, you have empathy.

>>102690826
I don't know where you got mastermind, I'm only saying she's possibly an accomplice as she makes a very good "face" for the charity con due to her optics, and how shielded she is from criticism.

Also you're a real gullible fool for thinking a venture capitalist like Gunrun wrote that statement and bankrupt his company without personally verifying with his attorney he was in the clear. This guy isn't a rich California techfag because he's an imbecile. Keep watching as nothing happens and people forget about the missing $500k as they happily circle jerk over the $1M tiltify campaign.

>>102682688
>>102683290
he pulled a half-truth in his tweet which was designed and likely reviewed by a lawyer if it ever goes to court. They could pull the "we didn't have a proper process in place so I didn't know" bullshit card even though everyone can tell. Just because we all know it's bullshit, doesn't guarantee that the law will see it like that.

>>102682504
Nah, being a victim doesn't mean you can't also have some of the blame.

>>102687452
>she openly says everybody knew even back in 2023
I think even Veibae also said she wasn't properly compensated when she left around the same time. This all stinks of bullshit.

>>102691085
I say mastermind because these theories give her way too much credit for an accomplice, not to mention she reaps every benefit while the others take the bullet.
I'll concede it's too early for me to say that someone is getting sued however.

>>102662879
>ironlung.png
KEK

>>102688693
>She has nothing to gain from this
what the fuck??? She has a lot to gain from removing her association from a huge liability of a corpo.

>But there was no collusion from the talent side beyond ignorance and incompetence.
When Silvervale and Veibae both corroborated that things were weird in 2023, I don't believe this.

While I do understand your POV with their immature behaviors - see Nijisanji. These women are also influencers whose job is manipulating the public opinion. To say they're stupid (some are), I don't believe it. Everyone stinks in this matter.

>>102689098
>she already has the victim points to use
HER WHOLE STUPID BRAND IS BEING DISABLED. It literally points towards the fair criticisms of her never stopping talking about her being sick. This was up her alley.

>>102690340
>as long as the business records are clean
yeah I don't think it's clean, likely books were cooked. Guess you could say appearance of clean. It seems like legally, I do not believe anyone will be taken to court here honestly.

>>102691230
I think some people are too caught up in placing blame on a single person. I think its reasonable to assume she was either an accomplice who was approached to do certain things and she either knowingly complied or was a useful idiot. For all we know she was involved in many scams and this charity might've been the one thing she didn't want to scam and thus she bailed out. Remember, this is the same person glazing vshojo a few weeks ago as people were jumping ship. There's no way she's 100% clean.

>>102691575
one tweet from gunrun could blow this shit up in her face, but the question is would anyone even believe him

>>102683225
If they had any real lawyers they peaced put after the checks stopped coming in

>>102691629
Exposing her would expose him back. At this point he's completely safe behind the company evaporating. Social media reputation means nothing to him now that he's well off enough to retire.

All these people who think someone is going to be taken to court or jail are children and/or completely ignorant of the law. The people who think these wealthy entrepreneurs didn't have personal attorneys helping them navigate this closure are going to be seething in a week, month, years time when nothing happens. They are going to get away with it.

>>102689960
but if she just did a tiltify initially then how could she get herself the top twitch subscribers record and also 50% of the amount to herself

>>102691838
stop noticing how much she cares about this charity over herself

anyone collecting charity NOT through tiltify should be a massive red flag but
>SHE WOULD NEVER

>>102691892
Have you already hired lawyers, Gunrun? Or is this Apek?

>>102691928
It's me Gunrun. I orchestrated the scams, Apek cooked the books, and Ironmouse was the face to astroturf our optics. Don't you like how we were still considered a golden company a week ago even after multiple people jumped ship for seemingly no reason? We're pretty proud of that one too.

And yes I've had lawyers the entire time. Which is why I'm going to retire now to my villa in Singapore while you go get ready for your shift at KFC.

>>102690340
The smoking gun now is the missing 500k, which is probably why they're framing it as a simple mistake. someone's trying to downplay it as mismanaged or misappropriated rather than straight up fraud and embezzlement, likely to try to minimize potential jail time. It'll be more difficult to prove embezzlement, especially if someone really was cooking the books.
Once jail isn't a threat, they can declare bankruptcy, then fuck off to another market where their fucked credit doesn't matter.
It's likely none of them will ever see a cent of the money they're owned. It'll be a win on the books and that's that. Their lawyers the only ones getting paid.

>>102692084
Gunrun you did a BAD!

>>102687917
always ascribe to malice that which could've been prevented through she diligence.
there will guilty, the talent that left after ironmouse and the talent that didn't even try to warn me talents joining.
the staff are at fault, yes, but the ones that didn't sound the alarm are at fault too

>>102662879
Karma for turning her back on Silver

>talents weren't paid for months
>still believable Kson didn't realize because she's that fucking retarded

>>102695952
at lest kson gave some explanation and accepted her part in all of this
but ironmouse? that bitch absolutely shameless, its impressive in a way

>>102689512
She probably sees all the "Cons: Nothing" posting and her woman brain won't stop panicking

>>102663460
It does seem unlikely that they didn't know ANYTHING.
Fucks sake, we even had threads HERE last year saying Mosey's money never made it to the charity because of their yearly report.
Also, like, bitch, Geega has holding meetings to discuss how bad the finances are and then, she left because there was nothing to be done, and you still didn't ask around if everyone else wasn't getting paid?
Hard to believe.

They all knew about some of it but, the talents and investors formed this very cut and dry narrative where, Gunrun bad, talents lied to, so they can liquidate faster.

>>102679222
500k was actually half the charity subathon money, the part directed to charity itself. She had already took the other half to herself

>>102662879
this bitch is so fucking fake, gunrun was literally saying he spent all the $11m on her own bullshit and went bankrupt because of it

>>102698160
How convenient for her.

>>102697656
>They all knew about some of it but, the talents and investors formed this very cut and dry narrative where, Gunrun bad, talents lied to, so they can liquidate faster.
Wanna dodge criminal accountability. Its fraud, on top of cooking books, hiding cash flow in costs, faking revenue by double dipping into the same cash coming in. Hell, how there arent any indictments yet im confused. I mean everybody cook their books to some extent to seem more successful to potential investors and acquire better loans, but they never do it through directly illegal means, usually just moving expenses around.
Dosnt canada havy any IRS type of government body? Then again, its in everybodys best interest to not report shit, since only people who really lose ... are the dumb people who donated, and probably some retarded investors. Bet they will tro to cover any bank loans asap.

>>102698160
oh, but shes sick and she needs it
if she gives it back she will literally die

>>102682812
>but how many of you have had an honest to god conversation with your coworkers about the details of your salary and benefits?
NTA and not American (eurochad), but like that anon said, about weekly, but definitely at least once a month. Hell, we also talk to and inform each other about relevant job vacancies.

>>102682361
Anon, go to the Vshojo tweet, and read the responses of all the ex-members under it, especially Zen's and Vei's. Gunrun is lying.
Of course, the girls that were in the company up until the collapse are also at fault, but that's a different matter.

I wanted Vshojo to explode for years. I only feel bad for some of the talents but people like IM and Melody share a larger portion of the blame than others.

>>102663460
please tell down the post, ironmouse is sick

>>102683290
WTF? I love IronLung now, based destroyer of Vshojo

>>102682812
It's awkward, but look at yourself honestly. You're already the most awkward person in every room you're in. Use that to power through and make weird but important conversations happen. You improve your own and everyone else's situation by forcing as much transparancy as you can around every aspect of your employment.

>>102662805 (OP)
>the talent who made this company what it is
kek, do you really want to claim ownership for what vshojo is?

>>102662879
>"I know it was you, Gunrun. You broke my heart. You broke my heart."

>>102669471
Post it. I need a laugh.

I love reading these threads and seeing a bunch of mud golems who drive tuktuks for a living larping about understanding anything involving business or law.

>>102687917
>Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
From my personal experience, stupidity is the favorite excuse of malicious people when they are caught.

>>102690340
>>102690046
Not true, intentionally not paying for services performed is literally fraud, even if your goal is to cover your debts, you cant intentionally sign contracts you know you will break, intent means fraud.
Also cooking books to this extent can get you decades in jail, you cant just hide half your revenue and write it down as costs, that fucking insane what they were doing. By taking all talent money which is operating expenditure they had twice the money, half of it hidden which is how money kept going missing. Fake income, fake costs, every month their on paper accounts became more detached from reality, requiring more stealing to cover the difference.
And finally we have taking out money from shared accounts, theft.

Dosnt mean they will get any money out of him, but clearly multiple real crimes were committed here.

>>102691575
it was already summed up well enough early on
>runs the charity through donations directly to her
>says 50% of it will go to charity
>that never happened
regardless of the question if she knew or not, I don't think she'll be able to wash that off her hands all that easily.
I mean, unless they had contracts that specifically said this is VShojo's charity event and she only shows up there as a hired performer, and can in no way be seen as the organizer.

>>102662805 (OP)
I'm looking forward to the absolute BLOOD BATH

>>102663460
stop noticing right now

>>102684016
doki is a retarded spender with stories of her going negative from spending too much on merch skebs and other stuff. dont believe her that 100k is standard

>>102662805 (OP)
just a reminder that these are all multimillionaires complaining that their 5 figure monthly paycheck was a few 100k light
I get that they have a right to be upset, but its real fucking hard to feel sympathy desu. they are all going to be VERY ok financially

>>102662857
The JP branch was doing fine but got scammed by the us branch.

>>102700252
lmao true, doki legit seems like compulsive spender, she gives people money to feel happy as much as her fans do
5-10k, maybe 20k if its last minute job seems to be normal pricing

>>102663460
Not a year, kson last payment was September 2024.

>>102700394
literally the entire dokibird drama with nijii can be summed up as "she kept spending retarded amounts on vanity projects and the company didnt enable that sufficiently for her liking"
she spends lifechanging amounts of money on fucking vanity music videos and has the audacity to complain like it was someone else's fault it cost her a lot

This reply >>102663460 is paid vshojo propaganda. Gunrun and his crew are still flooding this place with shit posters.

>>102665320
Amateur move. You hold that close to your chest for the plea deal.

>>102700493
problem with people who have too much money and not enough responsibilities
too busy doing her "career" to have a partner, not mature enough to think of her future so obsessed with those projects to unhealthy degree
since yeah, she was plain up spending too much
and no joke if she had kids and a husband as nature indented she would think of their future, not some music videos for a international media corporation like shes the ceo there

>>102677359
Almost 0% chance. 1) suing costs money, which vshojo has none 2) it sounds like these girls have a great case for defamation countersuits

>>102700596
people are getting paranoid, you dont dodge legal responsibility with 4chan posts

https://youtu.be/AmHE65RAkSY?si=jdJM6NtEWadycXBw

You're a black corp, and you've gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway
You can rely on Mousey's charity money
You can rely on Mousey's charity money
It's a bitch, girl, but it's gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway
Say money but it won't get you too far
Get you too far

Don't you know? Don't you know?
That it's wrong to take what isn't given you
So far gone, on your own
You can get along if you try to be Cover
But you'll never be Cover, 'cause

You're a black corp (black corp)
And you've gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway (black corp)
You can rely on Mousey's charity money
You can rely on Mouaey's charity money
It's a bitch, girl (black corp), and it's gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway (black corp)
Say money but it won't get you too far, get you too far

High and dry, out of the rain
It's so easy to hurt others when you can't feel pain
And don't you know that a love can't grow, ooh
'Cause there's too much to give, 'cause you'd rather live
For the thrill of it all, oh

You're a black corp (black corp) and you've gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway (black corp)
You can rely on Mousey's charity money
You can rely on Mousey's charity money
It's a bitch, girl (black corp), and it's gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway, yeah (black corp)
Say money but it won't get you too far
Say money but it won't get you too far
Say money but it won't get you too far, get you too far
And you say, you can rely on the Mouaey's charity money
You can rely on Mousey's charity money

You're a black corp (black corp)
A rich girl
Oh, you're a black bitch corp, yeah (black corp)
Say money but it won't get you too far
Won't get you too far

>>102700798
wrong
once the liquidation starts every person owed money will show up to milk who ever they can
talents are still responsible for loss of value of whats left

>>102700994
They're independent contractors. They're not employees. No they aren't.

>>102701153
dosnt matter, they signed the contracts
to keep that fake income they have to have outstanding loans, if its to banks shit will get nasty

>>102701153
They're independent contractors. They're not employees.

Gunrun is the one in trouble because he was the one in charge. The creditors aren't going to seize a toxic asset like this because they have to reach settlements for the MOUNTAINS of unpaid people.

>>102681105
Anon, you have to realize that while people here love idols alot of them hate women. Many of these posts also bleed third world when you read between the lines
>These ungrateful whores should be thankful and shut their mouths! Inshallah this is why women at their age were not meant to make their own decisions or voice their own opinions without a husbands input!