Fuck It. Memes Edition

Welcome to /xvsj+/! A thread to discuss vtubers who were once associated with a hot pink company.

Keep things comfy, etc.

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/xvsj+/ includes:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Geega - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied
Nazuna - https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/vei
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

Related /in/dies:
Beri - https://www.twitch.tv/beribug
Tori - https://www.youtube.com/@torioriane
Mint - https://www.youtube.com/@mintfantome
Feebee - https://www.twitch.tv/feebee
Pia - https://www.twitch.tv/piapiufo

Related:
/999/ + /総長/ + /nova/ + /voms/ for Japanese talents once associated with a hot pink company
/lig/ and /big/ for more generalized + and friends discussion

Previous thread: >>102666292

Just to show how much Gunrun betrayed Mouse and how hurt she must feel.
https://voca.ro/13vLmMfAZP0l
April 2022 Discord

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE, FUCKING SHOW YOURSELVES
https://poal.me/uz9urt
https://poal.me/uz9urt
https://poal.me/uz9urt
https://poal.me/uz9urt

false eatin good

Jesus fucking chirst.... this wild ride doesnt seem to be stopping at all.

So you're telling me MTD was in the club like: >"So Nyan did you actually sing Moon Man?"

>he fucking sucks in beer pong
>>102669786 (OP)
FUCK KEK

Nyanners comment

>MTD sucks at beer pong
KWAB

Vei actually won
Wtf

https://x.com/NyanNyanners/status/1948515652672893069

Can we get much lower?

Giri reply

Oh boy and we still have the "Little Boy" and "Fat Man" that are Zens and Mouse statements coming

>OP posts an off-topic image that'll get deleted
We're on a roll.

>>102669914
and the parrot too

PUT ME IN THE VIDEO YOU GREEN FAGGOT

>mtd physically forces people to drink more

cat's out of the bag

beh... actually who fucking cares at this point, go nuts anon

how could she possibly know he was posting on 4chan though?

As crazy as things are right now, don't forget to watch Mint's 3d debut in like 5 minutes.

These niggas are all going to prison

Ironmouse won’t get away with this. She will be exposed by retaliation

>>102669942
i bet that bitch had his elbows over the table

MTD dropping that "gunrun what the fuuuck dude" tweet then Vei posting this is PEAK

>>102669940
Dramasisters eating amazingly these days

>mtd forcing people to drink when they don't want
ROOFIE RRATS AT VSHOJO PARTY ARE REAL
GOD THEY ARE FUCKING REAL
IT'S ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL FUCKING REAL

>>102669972
It's VShojo's funeral and we're all happy. It counts

>>102669942
GO OFF, AETHEL!

>>102669991
Henya is also live

ironmouse should kill herself

>Physically forcing people to drink
Vile

>>102669970
Camilla has some tea dropping too apparently tomorrow

you're telling me I could've gotten paid for this shit

So who did MTD rape

>Nyan was right
>Vei was right
>Silver was right
>Geega was right

Henry live

I've never seen such a complete vindication of Silvervale, Nyanners, and Vei before, it makes everyone else either look oblivious at best or incompetent at worst for everything that's happened with management.

how do they know he was posting on 4chan?

If we lost degenerate Mouse because MtD was a creep I'm going to lose my mind.
Fuck that guy

We have a duty and responsibility to flay MTD for astroturfing here

>>102670064
Oh my fucking god how much deeper can we go

kek

IMAGINE GETTING A 4CHAN PASS AS A COMPANY EXPENSE LMAO

>>102670031
He really thought he would escape

>>102670064
im clueless who the fuck is seth you all keep talking about

>>102670087
they're all here

>>102670055
Hang yourself mtd.

>>102670087

>>102669989
bro nyan just posted mtd repeated 4chan rrats to her face

>>102670087
he's a creepy parasocial scum of the earth, he fits the bill

>>102669958
She was pimped out, wasn't she? I am not even joking at this point.

>>102669786 (OP)
She who has the power to destroy a corpo has the real control of it

>>102670116
Imagine putting it at as a tax deductable

>Aethel: I had to push him off me
That is actually fucking HUGE
If he's that physically gross with Aethel it's only a small shadow of how he would be with girls

reminder to never trust corpos, fellow chooms

>>102670055
hi mtd how is it going?

>>102670153
MSM's head guy and also a severe scumbag on many fronts.

>>102670153
Guy behind MSM. A group like Mythic that used to exist and recruited a ton of vtubers then burned down spectacularly because of the guy in charge (Seth) being a ridiculous retard

>>102670006
die, mtd

>Vei saying MTD is creepy mf
>Nyan saying MTD is creepy mf
Silver, we're waiting for you

>>102670166
It was real.

How come Geega has such a massive blindspot when it comes to Seth + MTD
Because they fed her ego?

AIN'T NO PARTY LIKE A VSHOJO PARTY

if both nyan and vei are saying it's not their story to tell about mtd, who the fuck was he doing things to? it probably has to be someone who went to the parties so not mouse or froot...

Haven't been /here/ for like a year, but what the fuck

>>102670153
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/91740695/#q91741165

>THERE IS WORSE STUFF
>THERE IS WORSE STUFF
>THERE IS WORSE STUFF

>>102670153
previous Geega boss

>>102670244
She thought she could fix them

>>102669989
maybe he posted screenshots of what he was doing or something of the sort, going by the behavior nyan, vei and aethel are describing here I wouldn't be at all surprised

I'm about ready to take a ban in Geega's chat calling him MTDiddy

>there is worse stuff

>nyan is generous with this tweet
>he did worse in that night
my blood is boiling

So, which posters were MTD?

>>102670255
Camilla has something dropping tomorrow, it could be her...

>>102670255
Silver is the only one left of the OG leavers to confirm he's a creepy sexpest

>>102670244
She wanted to be part of the team.

Geega it’s not looking good for you uh oh

Mowtendoo IRL btw

>>102670153
owner of MSM, aethel's and i assume geega's old manager

>>102670116
Don't need a pass when you're a janny or mod. Threads about MTD are getting deleted as we speak.

IT GOT ITS COLOR BACK

>>102670215
I’ve been doing this for a few months and nobody cared you even agreed with me but now all of the sudden we don’t want ironmouse to kill herself anymore? what changed?

>>102670229
>Silver, we're waiting for you
Silver's case rises beyond a civil matter.

did he piss in the punch bowl or wut

The creepy fuck is gonna doxx everyone n retaliation isn't he

>>102670244
she's not as smart as she believes

>>102670213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGsjA1pXajk

>>102669786 (OP)
>Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mP-g0RN038

>>102670303
me

>>102670303
All of the ones you disagreed with

>>102670255
Silver. rape allegations are true

>>102670319
Classic. Everytime

>>102670319
junkie

>>102670319
i am vomit

>>102670342
for sure one

I should be sleeping but the drama keeps coming.

>>102670319
Yeah he looks like a sexpest shitposter

>>102670319
He does look like a rapist

>>102670210
Someone's probably gotten roofied and raped, no joke.

>>102670334
FUCK GO BACK

what if i hated vei unironically?

>>102670342
that's scorched earth. No way....

>>102670304
camilla is a massive hog, tho
is mtd into bbw fetish or something?

>Vei and Mouse in the same chat
The world is healing

When is the Zen spirit bomb dropping

>>102670319
Is he aware that those nails and haircut won't magically turn him into a twink.

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>>102670433

>>102670270
>Weinstein

Stop it /pol/, I've left you for years, you'll never drag me back

>>102670415
I have a dangerous job tomorrow but morning caffeine pills will have to do

Mint is having a 5 year anniversary karaoke + announcement right now

https://www.youtube.com/live/rn7JBU7CbzM?si=TLtNwPy5ttBD2A9H

Big Zen post

>it gets worse
>there's nothing left to bomb
i didn't think it was this bad, the rrats were real

Holy fuck it keeps going and the trash fire keeps getting hotter.

>>102670304
Surely even a milk maiden like her is not desperate enough to haven given that *thing* an in…

>>102670153
well known in /lig/ for being in charge of MSM and going out of his way to attack a way smaller new group called 3AM that had just formed
spread rumors about them to other vtubers/sponsors, tried to get them blacklisted in the community, prevented collabs between MSM and 3AM, doxxed them, pit former friends against members of 3AM, etc. etc.
not surprised MTD would hang out with him

>>102670365
Wait, what if this is why they made mamavale sign an NDA

>>102670457
Dude fucking look at him: >>102670319 this freak would fuck anything with a hole.

I bet vshojo baited vei to start shit with shylily too

>>102670479
Soon i hope, i have to sleep

He made Super Spice bros He made Super Spice bros He made Super Spice bros He made Super Spice bros He made Super Spice bros

>>102670319
I get a chill up my spine warning me to stay away at one look, how the FUCK do you see this and go "yeah, that's trustworthy
???????

https://x.com/zentreya/status/1948518977493500310
ZEN ULTED

>>102670528
HOLY

>>102670500
Damnit zen use paragraphs

THE 30TH TOWER HAS BEEN HIT
https://x.com/zentreya/status/1948518977493500310

>>102670497
>announcement
Please god let it be good

>>102670447
I don't like Vei, I don't like Nyanners, I don't like Silver, they're all 4chan e-girl golddigger whores. I don't like Ironmouse, she's a take pity on me for my totally real disease boohoo ignore my millionare wealth boohoo bitch. I don't like Vshojo, it's a shit company with shit people.

>>102670319
this is why "rapist" is filtered to "male feminist" on the marsey site

>>102670500
Zen can you please wait until Aethel is done with Vei's post

>>102670482
I hope you're doing well, not necessarily due to the current stuff either, just in general

>>102670479
it dropped

>>102670497
Fuck off MTD

>>102670343
Even Geega admits that, she's said plenty of times people assume she's smarter than she is because she had to learn how to speak with authority and confidence even if she had no clue, because thats how corpo life groomed her and she can't let go of that.

>>102670570
just a longer YOU THREW ME TO THE WOLVES

>>102670319
damn i can't believe zizarin would do this

>Vei, Nyan and Mouse in same chat
END TIMES ARE HERE

>>102670590
???

Now that the dust is settled, can we all admit gunrun wasn't THAT bad?

>>102670500
USE LINE BREAKS

so MTD was sexpest to EVERY female or was he just sexpest to Vei, Nyan and Silver

So Vei + Soda, Nyan + Aethel, and Silver were all too scared of an NDA written by a fucking retard who apparently cannot practice law to warn anyone else about this? VShojo should have died years ago and that piece of shit Gunrun would be in prison if literally ANYONE said something. Not one person leaked this shit to all the dramafags?

Also we can expect Geega and Jabroni Mike to shit all over that creepy faggot MTD immediately right? How many people got scammed because nobody spoke up about all these scumbags in Vshojo?

Vei is a bitch anyway. But for today she’s an honored /vt/ shitposter

>>102670500
>artillery shell after artillery shell
keep it coming, im starting to have fun again

>guy who did it all

>>102670457
>camila is a hog
Nope. Not anymore
https://x.com/cumilq/status/1944798242299941013

>>102670500
the zenhere was coming from inside the boardroom

>>102670637
He ain't gonna pay you little bro

>>102670064
Of fucking course he did

>>102670625
UNITYCHADS WE WON

>>102670500
Very male coded spacing

>>102670625
4SKINZ DISS TRACK

>>102670244
Geega's sheer intellectual prowess intimidated them, so they were careful and acted normal around her.

>>102670637
Fuck off Gunrun you stole 500k from a charity. Just because you didn't rape anyone doesn't absolve you of that.

>>102670570
Not reading that until Zen figures out punctuation and proper spacing.

>need to go to bed
>all the dams are breaking right now, shit is happening
FUCK

>>102670060
I've had suspicions that she was orbiting pretty close to vshojo. I wouldn't be surprised if she was also one of the unannounced new members.

>>102670641
If he's hyper retarded: everyone
If he's regular retarded: only the ones who he was able to meet in person

bros please tell me henya was subjected to all this

>>102670663
little RAT

Oh my god shes still ranting about that stupid new vtuber optics thing, lmao

>>102670637
He kept a sexpest in his company for 4 years. He's worse than we thought.

>>102670644
Mike was super close to MTD so expect something from him. I don't Geega really knew him.

How much money did you get paid by MTD??????
How much money did you get paid by MTD??????

>>102670447
That's okay, I don't care if someone doesn't like vei, but if they start giving false information I like to reply with timespans (I watch all her streams, I'm a loser)

>>102670528
some things might have just been vei being vei no bait required

Oh when the imminent Mouse nuke goes off its gonna be extra spicy

>>102670668
can't really tell by that picture, but this was back when she certainly was if it's true

So all those VShojo parties and mixers were probably pushed by MTD so he could get vtubers drunk and prey on them

>>102670523
holy shit now i wish i hadnt asked

Vei is kind of giga based, but breaking NDA just like that? Idk dude I'd be scared shitless. but apparently it's protected under Whistleblower laws and VShojo would have and insanely hard case (if any).
not a lawyer btw i just googled.
If the disclosure pertains to illegal activity or serious misconduct, such as fraud, workplace harassment, or public safety violations, it may be protected under whistleblower laws.

>>102670710
same
I hate being Euro, all the tea is spilled right now and I have to wake up to work in the morning
Looks like I'm chugging monsters all night

Gunrun deserves love and compassion

>>102670726 (me)
*WASN'T*
damn i need to proofread

>>102670710
I'm here with you eurobro
At least it's Friday

>>102670319
Actually fuckimg funny I remembered you guys posting about how hot he is and that you would fuck him. There really are too many americans in here

nah bro, what the ABSOLUTE FUCK???

i do not like

>>102670447
There's still time to apologize

VShojo may be getting nuked into the center of the earth but I'm still a shipper first and these two are being so fucking gay right now

I need to go to sleep but everything's exploding

>>102670304
What if MTD was the tier 4?

>>102670787
cursed af

>>102670780
and the auditions that never got anyone in? maybe doxx info and shit like that

>>102670319
>POV: You are Nyanners and trying to leave the bathroom at a party but Mowtendoo is blocking the way out so he can neg Silvervale

>>102670528
that was pen

>>102670707
its literally just
>why are you so meeeeaaaaan to meeeeee?

>>102670637
You're right. He's not that bad.
He's worse.
Transparency about mismanagement and the company not being financially viable would be preferrable to literal theft.

You guys talked so much trash about Mel
But it turns out vshojo did something worse lol

Well, that means pants 3 is no longer a possibility
Fucking MTD, you should've stuck on making YTPMVs and MADs

>>102670783
Vshojo's lawyer doesn't have a license to practice law anymore and they don't have the funds to pursue a lawsuit anyway. Even if they DID though, what's the fucking point? The company is gone, there's nothing to protect. It's over.

>>102670841
you stupid fucking asshole scroll up

>>102670811
You've just been told he was astroturfing here
Curious isn't it?

>>102670866
eat shit gunrun

>>102670783
So many people are going to break nda now that it won't matter unless they spend millions to go after all of them.

If you want a break from drama Henya live because I can't imagine she has much if anything to say about this lol

Don't worry guys this is the bottom for sure this time

>>102670319
this nigga lookin zesty

>>102669912

>>102670784
also Euro, thankfully I work from home so I can make up an excude to skip my daily meeting and just laze off in hte morning

>>102670500
Ok, so it's definitely bad. But Zen wasn't really supposed to be doing all that. She's not a recruiter, or anything.

>>102670304
inb4 her stalker incident was MTD

Zen wanted her 1views so badly lol.

Zen's nuke turned out to be a wet fart, hopefully Silver's is better

>>102670500
>’ve been pushing a company so blindly who didn’t even care for me. But I’m an idiot and I kept believing. I was so excited for this. I spent sleepless nights dealing with constant harassment. And you spent money which you didn’t even have without even warning us on god knows what, and you knew, don’t even lie, you knew that money was for charity and was supposed to be placed to the side to be untouched. Where did 11 million dollars go in less then 3 years even. What happened to all that money.
>I’m just really tired from all these years of trying to push for something that kept pushing me to the wolves.
I was so stupid. But I was so excited.
>I really trusted you.
>We all did.
I'm actually fucking crying

so mel innocent? if she was gonna implicate mel in something wouldn't see have done it?

>>102670811
i wonder WHO posted that?

VAW
VEI ALWAYS WINS
REMEMBER THAT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE YOU RETARDS
FUCKING KNEEL

>>102670783
well we know she's not shy about consulting a lawyer so i'm just hoping her lawyer knows she's covered

>>102670881
Apparently they need to protect their asses cause it's starting to smell like jail

Surely no one commited murder if this company, right?

>>102670954
I wonder what Silver will say
I'm guessing same thing as Vei
but maybe MTD was even bigger sexpest to her given Silver's cosplay pics are out there

don't hold your breath for the rest of the girls to put out statements. vei nyan and silver are seperate case it seems

Zen...

>>102670944
big if true

If Vshojo allegedly was doing this, Imagine Phase connect. Now that's a rrat I'm 100% sure they are behind every drama post since 2023 started

>>102670755
I read that as Mikey and was like, man, even HE is in?

>>102670641
im getting the feeling that it wasnt just females.

>>102670986
yes, it's just digi astroturfing

When was Zen harassed? I don't remember this happening at all.

Its endless at this point.

>>102670986
Mel was/is dating Apek, who is implicated. We don't know if she personally was involved but she is DANGEROUSLY close to ground zero.

Zen you’re so boring boooooo. Make a better one

>"always the first to respond to tweets lmao"

>>102670986
I meant vei by she. fuck.

>>102670924
https://x.com/mowtendoo/status/1176258548055060481
He is
Weak man, I wish I could break him so my body could be used for something other than lifting logs

>>102671055
Probably like random twitter people

>>102670932
Also euro, im thinking of calling in sick tomorrow just so i can catch up with the drama

The fact Mowtendoo was just veiposting fiercely on 4chan instead of astroturfing for vshojo is so fucking funny. I do respect that level of pettiness.

>Aethel calling out cyyu for leeching on every tweet
roru
rumao even

>>102671055

>>102670865
pen accused the wrong people when it was MTD all along he should've fought

>>102670979
that's gay, but i'm not very emotional so I'll let it pass.

I feel bad for Zen but she should have never put out that statement when the vtweeters were seething about auditions.

>>102670979
I do agree, surely adding more talent waves would mean more merch and that would translate to more income.
Maybe I'm being naive but a most of the costs for assets and models was on the talents shoulders too, so it's not like that was costing Vshojo anything.

did MTD try to date rape Aethel

>>102671075
Not sayu, cy yu, dipshit.

>>102670087
if you know people irl and their talking points its insanely easy to point them out. I know a schizo here irl (hes kind of normal irl), but he always talks about the same shit. could spot him from a mile away

>Vshojo asked FUCKING AETHEL who to hire
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>102670319
Is he related to Leafy?

>>102669912
phasefag here, just lurking though

>VShojo's plan when it came to males was to ask Aethel who to hire
Didn't Kuro say something similar lmao

>They did the same shit with Kuro to Aethel about asking for male members
kek

>>102671031
Didn't work on me
Tribalism is for dumb fucks

I remember Geega said it was interesting to see which people have come out and said things that were rumored before and which people came out with fresh shit, shows who's actually able to keep a secret. Wonder who she meant...

Zen can't even drama post right...

>>102671147
Aethel date raped him

>>102671055
If you want an actual response? Pretty much every Vshojo announcement ever since auditions dropped zen gets spammed in the comments for not doing what she said the company would do

lmao aethel...

>VShojo's plan for hiring male vtubers was asking Aethel who to hire
lmao

>>102671031
did they sabotage offkai 2024 because phase was there? whom am I kidding, of course they did

>>102671164
lmao high out of their fucking minds

HENYA LIVE

>>102671201
why is that a bad plan?

>>102671055
Probably in socials.
Or weirdos doing it in business e-mails. This fallout has had people spamming the various talents' business e-mails with words of support and adoration, stands to reason that the opposite could also happen.

>>102671031
Not just agencies, a lot of Indies complain that companies never talk to them or offer opportunities/sponsors and I bet groups like Vshojo was going to them and saying "Indies are irresponsible and untrustworthy"

Mouse would have never left them alone

>Vshojo wanted their own gay guys group like Niji
>Aethel was supposed to be part of it and they asked him who to hire

>>102671074
Yeah pretty mid tea compared to Vei

>>102671031
10000%

hopefully this sets a precedent of steering away from corpos. TOTAL CORPO NIGGER DEATH

>Aethel is dragging cyyu down the hole
It’s an all out war

>henya wakes up crying

FUCK I NEED TO HIT SOMETHING AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

>>102671055
She gets harassed all the time, last time a big one happened it was when some grift account reposted streamcharts during her subathon and she ended stream due to the harassment

>>102671180
Put the fries in the bag, Apex

>getting in a quick shot at nijisanji
aethel is on a roll

None of you are discussing that Vshojo's implosion has Mint selling *custom voice packs* for $50 bucks. Christ.

>>102671147
its sounding like it or at least getting him out so he could do stuff to nyan

>>102670319

Damn it, Kabhaal was almost IN!

>>102671256
Honestly the only good idea VShojo had

THE MALE GEN RRAT IS REAL
GUNRUN WAS PLAYING TARKOV ALL THIS TIME

>>102671293
Okay I think he’s losing his mind at this point

>>102671303
what the fuck is a voice pack

>>102671309
Lmao

>>102671309
>just say nigger bro

>>102671303
didn't she do that for $80 back in the early niji days

>>102670523
the purple stripe...

>>102671309
LMAO

>>102671309
LMAYO

>>102670787
lmao

>>102671348
For $50 bucks she'll record a 5 minute message that is not NSFW.

Henya was close to saying bad words on Twitter
Holy shit

BRO WHO THE FUCK SAID IT COULDNT GET WORSE TWO THREADS AGO. WHY WHY WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING THIS WE'RE ALREADY DEAD. THERES NOTHING LEFT TO NUKE

Can we get Aethel and Kuro collabs now

>>102671325
Basically like 80% of all indies were almost /in/ at this point

Wait is Aethel actually implying Bubi might have joined or is that just a joke

>>102671428
well NOW it can't right?

Ama post. Feel so bad about her joining just 6 months ago and this already

>>102671428
Okay but surely NOW it can't get any worse!

>>102671428
careful man

>>102671428
It's okay. NOW it truly can't get worse.

>>102671309
KEK

>>102571692
This was Panini probably

>>102671456
That would've been his plan

>>102671383
I feel like a shill but groups like 3am feel like the way forward, management lite, talent owned, low operating costs too.

>>102671456
Hypothetical group roster he would've liked to have joined

>>102670587
Well things did somewhat improve since 2024. Im working on two official vod channels as a side job now (i obviously cant and won't go into details here) but that helped a bit to improve my financial situation. I just need to move from my current apartment thats been the main thing that made things go as bad as they did but at least i have the funds to move now. This years been more shit than usual due to several factors but once i have a better and quieter place to live in that doesn't stress me out daily things should improve.

But yeah this has been a complete shitshow but i wont really comment on it. Aethel pretty much put it best.

Surely it can't get any worse from here....

>>102671309

>>102671446
mouse said bubi almost joined

>>102671456
it's true wtf

>>102671443
I hope so, I think Aethel is open to it
>>102671456
With the amount of fumbles VShojo has done, it wouldn't surprise me. Mouse alone could have probably bulled Bubi into joining had VShojo been just 20% less shitty

isn't he just describing kuro?

>>102671491
Panini BASED

>>102671513
Haruka it’s your turn to post is this why you never stream

>>102671428
We are not even to the rape reveals yet bro...

>>102671513
we still have whatever mouse is holding back

Does this mean Cy Yu and Shoto managed to dodge bot Niji and VShojo

Mouse said Bubi almost officially joined VShojo

>>102671513
CEASE

>>102671309
Lmao, anon. Good job.

>>102671538
>HE ALMOST DID
HOLY

>>102671428
the saturation bombardments will continue until there's nothing but glass

>>102671538
No fucking shot dude

>>102671538
>yeahhh im glad bubi didnt join thank goodness
I'm not, actually
I think if Connor had joined the lawsuit would probably have been 20 times worse and in fact this entire disaster would probably have happened a whole year earlier

>>102671538
Lawd

Mouse confirms that Bubi almost joined VShojo

>>102670841
Can someone explain one thing I'm not getting
What about the new gen is "throwing her under the bus"?
She's been repeating that all day

>>102671303
For custom ones, I think $50 is kind of a steal. But this is coming from someone who has paid a lot more for ASMR ones.

We could have had Bubi and Aethel in a official vshonen branch

Hold on everybody, I am going to try something

Surely, it couldn't get any BETTER, could it?

>>102671563
>yfw Gunrun and MTD poisoned their villages water supply which is why mouse's dad is on death's door

>>102671538
What the fuck would he have even done? He would stream less than Hime has.

WE COULD HAVE HAD Bubi unhinged!

>>102671538

> Bubi running into vshojo .webm

>>102671649
*Counterspell*
Do not interrupt the tea

>>102671626
If you want Zen to be evil: the monstergirl gen
If you want Zen to be correct: The idol gen (since it was being led by Mint)

>>102671383
that story is sad as fuck, they used to be so close
makes me mad that vshojo was trying to do the same thing to the girls here

>>102671606
Absolute fucking Exterminatus.

>Anon in this thread: "There's no way this could get worse"
>It's now revealed we were close to actually having Bubi in VShojo
lol
lmao even

>>102671142
nah if they're not profitable with their current already successful talents then they are NOT in a position to take a chance on lower ccv talents, they should have at least stopped the bleeding first

So is MTD the one who leaked personal info?

>>102671513
>Next tweet bombshell is Haruka saying MTD flew to Canada and raped her

>>102671256
Cover did the same.

>>102671700
I still don't get why mint being hired is screwing zen

wait.... was the senzawa rrat real?

At this point, we're gonna hear that Vshojo could've solved world hunger if it wasn't for the management

>>102671626
zen was the main driving force (publicly) behind auditions and would always tell people to do so
so when nothing came from it, zen took the blame and gun refused to put out any kind of statement

>>102670523
I heard mutiple times that the blacklist got as high as vshojo, and now we know it was through mtd

>gunrun emote just removed from twitch
gunrun emote just removed from twitch
>gunrun emote just removed from twitch
gunrun emote just removed from twitch

>>102671428
ok but this time for sure

>>102671652
Wow they rly just following Kefka's plan

>>102671727
of course he did that fucking faggot

Is there anyone that wasn't close to joining or who actually signed a contract?

>>102671626
PR wasn't doing PR and Zen was stuck having to expain why the nepohires were hired and the women who participated in the auditions never heard back from VShojo to said applicants' increasingly less patient fans

Imagine an actual male group including both Aethel and Bubi. That could have been amazing.

>>102671734
I hope yo God it's not

>>102671746
HOLY FUCK

>>102671031
idk man I think SEA just does it for free

>>102671746
OHNONONONONONO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>102671652
MFW Gunrun and MTD used CRISPR to give mousey CVID

>>102671746
>>102671664

It's NEVER going to get better you fucks. Do you think you can cast spells? You schizos make me laugh. It's NEVER going to get better no matter what you say. Your words have no power to manifest reality.

vei and silver still absolutely hate mouse though

THERE IS NO WAY IT CAN GET ANY MORE WORSE

>>102671676
*puts on over the top British accent*
WHERE'S THE MONEY GUNRUN!? AND MY PAPERWORK!?

just finished watching silver.
Holy shit the crocodile tears were wild. she was hamming it up so much.
like jesus bitch you said so much but conveyed so little. legit force crying talking was fucking cringe.

>>102671732
Zen was the one publicly pushing for small vtubers to be hired and getting harassed on Twitter when auditions were taking so long. if Mint had debuted in VShojo that would have made it worse because Mint is the opposite of a small vtuber lol

>>102671746
OH NO NO NO

>>102671383
It's too bad Coqui exposed that Tob was going to join live on stream and it lead to a bunch of people harassing Tob. That's one relationship that will never mend.

>>102671055
Zen got flak over the trainwreck collab that was set up with other agencies.
Recent one was over numbers in streamcharts, see >>102671286

And probably vtweeters pestered Zen first every time about auditions for new gen.

MTD impregnated Nimi and married her

>>102671806
But at least it can't get any worse from here.

>>102671746
>ISREAL

>>102671538
If Connor had joined this shit would have been exposed long ago.

FeelsStrongMan

>>102671746

so many tourist in this thread...just lurk dude you 're not obliged to post

>>102671626
It seems internally they only knew about Mint maybe joining, and Zen had sorta been the pushing force behind Vshojo opening auditions again and was very vocal about trying to get smaller talents in. So in her mind, she was worried that Mint (and AmaLee) joining would make people go "wtf, she isn't a small talent! Zen lied to us! Its just a nepo hire again!" because they seemingly never told the girls about the lost monster girl gen, who are more like what Zen wanted

>>102671746
HAPPENING

>>102671729
*raped her mom

>>102671830
covering for Seth today are we MTD?

> henyas voice

>>102671626
Zen was always associated with new the new hire process since she's always talking about wanting to help unknowns make it. All the unknowns who were ignored blamed her instead of the company because of that.

>>102671746
KWAB

>>102671746
Oh shit, Clancy looked up from his goon sesh to see the dumpster fire going on

Holy shit GunRun emote is gone

>>102671862
Like 20 people have said the same thing here in this thread, just a lot less eloquently

>>102671921
>she's
>her

Henya stop crying little bitch. give us more drama

>>102671926
>"Hmm how can I make this into a reason to ban some more vtubers..."

Dude...
We could've ACTUALLY had a group of talents both guys and girls that could've been an insane force in the west when it comes to vtubing...
Imagine having it all without even knowing yet fucking up this much...

>>102671282
ironic

>I didn’t raise my voice. I didn’t need to. I set my will against the shape of things, against the slow unraveling curling at the edges of the moment. The world, startled, hesitated, caught mid-fall like a breath held too long, and stopped.
>
>It can’t get any worse.

>>102671746
WHERE'S MY MOUSE EMOTE CLANCY

At this point VShojo is shaping up to be even worse than Niji which is a fucking wild thing to say

>>102671967
put the fries in the bag MTD

Henya will continue as indie with Kson's manager. Sorry phasebeggars.

>>102671967
Pester MTD or if you are MTD just post it.

thread theme

https://youtu.be/t2PaxQDWcyQ

>>102671862
maybe Doki (with Mint) should actually start an indie avengers company

Aethel glazing GS
and he's right, they're based

>>102672006
it already is worse

>>102671902
I won't let you rewrite history. Coqui was fucked for doing that. Big vtubers keep their distance from her for a reason.

>ISREAL
ISREAL
>ISREAL
ISREAL
>ISREAL
ISREAL

>>102671978
Fuck off, MTD

I wonder vshojo made Geega drop Girls FC

REDEEMED

>yfw you were probably arguing with vshojo staff that the japan ads were fucking idiotic

>>102671993
>"You cuck bitch loser motherfucker," Aethel said calmly.

>>102672006
how hard is your niji hateboner that you can't admit it is worse (from what we know)

>>102672006
All that needs to be done to confirm this is if a talent tried to kill themself over the whole thing. Which wouldn't surprise me if we found out soon at this point.

>>102671918
That's not her real voice though

>>102672047
??? Based on what?

>the only people who've touched me are Nyan and MTD
Did MTD fucking grope Aethel at the party

>>102672006
Nigga every talent quit and the company shut down what do you mean “shaping up”

Did Aethel say why he didn't leak anything to False? Literally any of the bombs dropped this week would have killed this shitshow years ago and stopped other people from getting sucked into this black hole of shit

>>102671800
It's worse than that.
utilizing the latest in Analog Cloning technology and the Super Baby Method, an egg was fertilized with garbage DNA and transferred to the womb of a surrogate mother. This success was the result of multiple attempts, with the project only having borne fruit after dozens of failures.Of the eight embryos created from the fertilized egg, six were intentionally aborted, to promote weaker growth in the remaining two.
Further genetic modification was carried out so that one clone would express absolute garbage health to create the maximum pity for a vtuber.

>>102671858
What's that old joke? "Never get between a Welsh/Scotsman and his money."

>>102672069
Kek

>>102672069
>and the IDF
this is how you know this is legit

I really don't see how it could ever get any worse than this man

>>102672024
The good ending.

>>102672006
I'm ashamed but Vshojo already passed them.

>>102672071
I think wilds flopping and geegas addiction to rpslop probably contributed to that.

>>102672065
you try this same shitpost every time in /lig/ and it never works...

>>102672069
Anon we all know Trump would deport Mouse to some god forsaken place.

>>102670710
This week's the first time being unemployed has actually been a useful thing

>>102672069
Unfortunately, when he says IDF he means the Israeli Defense Force in this case

>Hey, I wonder what that COO is up to

gfuel still have not donated

>>102672134
>Gee, I wonder who told false all the info only the people that left knew

So the COO was Mel’s bf?

Look at all of these outlets

>>102671538
Nah bro would actually destroy Gunrun now if he was in

>>102672196
to Canada?

>>102672125
Aethel said at one point MTD was up in his shit so much and trying to get him to drink that he had to physically push him off. Dude is an actual sexpest. If he acts like that to another man, imagine how he is with women. If sexual assault allegations come out I will not be surprised.

>>102672006
Both Froot and Haruka didn't stream for months. I sure hope there was nothing there except brain worms, but at this point I'm bracing myself for an impact.

>>102672237
Yes

>>102672006
Bro at this point I would've be surprised if MTD was responsible for a lot of the Nijisister rrats to make them vulnerable to scoop up.

>>102672227
>>102672237
currently on a plane to an undisclosed tax haven

>>102672090
> i probably told MTD to kill himself multiple times

>>102672230
The g in gfuel stands for gunrun

>>102671649
>Twitch removed GunRun emote

vei didn't really say anything we didn't already know. except to further confirm mowtendoo is a creep.

>>102672203
same first time being unemployed this month after 7 years, gaming and shitposting is pretty fun

>>102672241
None as big as MTD's asshole when I take out my rage and loneliness on it.

>>102672241
>Times of India
I threw up a little in my mouth.

How does this image make you feel?

>>102672069
>trump donating to IDF
>israel
you can say that again

>>102670523
To add. It's very likely that Grimmi pulled out of Hololive because he threatened her.

>>102672192
I agree with the tobposter, coqui should've handled it better
I don't think it was malicious on her part tho

>>102671510
>two official vod channels
hey I knew about one but the other one's news to me, congrats bro I'm glad your hard work's paying off

https://x.com/MowtenDoo/status/949908375118151680

>>102672006
>niji members are getting more then 0%
>niji never stole the money from the charity streams niji members did
>has rosemi
i don't know man seems like niji is winning

>>102672241
>sports illustrated
>times of India
Odd

>>102672227
aethel keeps bringing Apek up, theres some bombs about this guy we havent heard yet

>>102672109
If VShojo pushed a talent to attempt suicide then I'll be willing to say they're worse but so far Niji still has that

>>102672330
Holy shit it worked

>>102672241
>Times of India
hello saar

>>102672353
Nostalgic and betrayed.

>>102670523
To add. It's very likely that Grimmi pulled out of Hololive because he threatened her.

My fellow schizoposters. It was a pleasure. We were right in the end.

>>102672069
The random capitilaztion isn't schizo enough for this to be real

>>102672266
not sure how I feel about froot though since Katie made some implications about her.

>>102672237
Was, we don't know if still is.

oh it really is on mainstream news now.
Mouse keep the Tiltify up over the weekend too
and maybe tweet the link to it again at some point.
Don't close it on Firday, normies are just learning about this and there may be donos over the weekend.

>>102672374
THEM PREDITORS MOVE IN FLOCKS

>>102672237
In 2019, yes. Still in 2025? That remains to be seen. But if yes then Mel was dangerously close to ground zero.
The fact none of the girls have called Mel out yet makes me think she wasn't with him any more.

>>102672374
WTF ???????????

>>102672374
They fucked, didn't they?

>>102672374
>Physically touching Chris-Chan
THAT'S EVEN WORSE THAN PUTTING ON THE CURSED MEDALLION, NO WONDER ALL THIS SHIT IS HAPPENING.

>>102672353
it all feels very hollow now

>>102672353
> i simped so hard for gunrun here during that stream

>>102672353
sad, we could've had it all

>>102672374
LMAO

>>102672374
Do you think MTD got in on that Barb action?

>>102672374
imagine the diddy party

>>102672400
rushia attempted suicide

>>102672353
I hope Code Red got paid

>>102672374
SEND THIS TO AETHEL KEK

>>102672231
Talking about the shit from years ago. The stealing from talents, the bullying, the abuse? Gunrun and MTD and everyone else involved at Vshojo should have been put in a gulag years ago instead of letting people like Henya get sucked into this fucking disaster and nobody has given a reason for silence outside of being scared of unenforceable NDA's

>>102672006
this will not be true no matter how many time you repeat it or post it

>>102670710
>>102670784
>>102670932
>>102671097
Euro working night shift security, i'm having a blast

look at who has to take the blame mtd, you are fucked. melody and her bitch boy arent going in, you know that. that leaves you and fatrun.

>Does this mean the Snuffy Aethel Nyan Monster Prom is coming back?
oh my godi just aged 10 years in a second

>>102672387
Niji does take a % from the subs/donations no?
I dont think Vshojo actually took any % from that

>mtd's tweet at 720k views already

>>102672433
I was about to ask that next

>>102672353
Think Code Red was ever paid?

>>102672427
I kneel Scizos....If anything, some of your rrats were TOO safe.

>>102672374
Is that yassyfied Tarantino in the back?

>>102672374
someone send this to aethel lmao

>>102672525
Mouse paid every time

>>102671428
>he doesnt know about the BDSM dungeon
>we still dont know why theyre not "talent freedom"
>JP branch manager schizo still unknown
>500k still missing
>ironmouse hasnt even started speaking yet
it can get MUCH worse

>>102672353
DAMN HE AIN'T GONNA BE IN RUSH HOUR 5

>>102672570
kek

>>102672544
correct

>>102672549
He came back so they had to pay him at least once

APOLOGIZE

>>102672549
It's a lot harder to scam a 7 foot tall jacked monster of a man standing right in front of you than it is a small Puerto Rican girl 2,000 miles away. Code Red got his payday I'm sure

>>102671818
get out of here MTD, your lies wont work anymore.

>>102672544
>I dont think Vshojo actually took any % from that
that's part of the reason the company is going under lol

>>102672353
They knew.

>>102672530
Vshojo was smart in not hiring BPD women, I'll give them that.

>How 2025 is going

>>102672615
tell code red to get a cameo
I will pay him to say this staring at a photo of gunrun

Silver deserves love and happiness

>>102672615
FUCKING KEK

>>102672452
They aren't official together. Calling her out would open a can of worms if she shoots back.

>>102672544
>I dont think Vshojo actually took any % from that
Just from Ironmouse because she's dumb that way.

>>102672492
this image man, this damn image. out of the countless ones i've seen on the internet these vibes hit me so hard for some reason.

>>102672570
BRO

>>102672587
>Mouse paid every time...
For more than just Disney. They might have robbed Mouse to pay Nyan

>>102672699
the sinder shit is small fry compared to this

>>102672708
Sure just not near me thanks

>>102672699
I wonder how she's experiencing the news this week

WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS GUNRUN
https://www.youtube.com/live/rn7JBU7CbzM

>>102672544
niji and hololive take 50% of subs/donos/superchats/adrevenue.

HEY

OP HERE

This thread went by particularly fast and the 60 minute time limit between threads will not have expired by the time we reach page 10. Someone else will need to bake the next thread.

>>102672353
>>102672615
Peak

>>102672071
nah Geega is too smart to associate with bat anymore

>male gen isreal
it would be so funny

I would like to announce my retirement as a Silver and Vei anti. I still don't like them but they were right.

>>102672743
if I was sinder I'd feel releived as shit I don't have the biggest vtuber controversy of the year anymore

>>102672699

>>102672708
God I feel so fucking sorry for what she had to endure these past 5 years
I want her to be happy and catch a break for once

>>102672241
Guys we actually made it! We are now mainstream!

>>102671282
But vshojo isn't a corpo?

>>102672792
Your bake is terrible. Thank god you can’t make the next one

>>102672792
love you

>>102671821
oh fuck the idol gen was supposed to debut before the monster girl gen
Zen would have been crucified by those retards.

>>102672815
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

HENYA MEGAMAN 2 LET'S GO

>>102672837
Which rrat will be confirmed next?

>>102672792
SEX
WITH
HENYA

>>102672776
slipping through my fingers all the time...

>>102672802
>Geega is too smart
>joined two failed orgs

>>102672006
There's a lot of shit about Nijisanji that we will never know because they're not as incompetent when it comes to cover their tracks. But just remember that they just had drama about a male member that DM'd EVERY new female hire to fuck them in Japan. They have known about the guy doing this since forever and didn't do anything and in the end they didn't even terminated the guy, just a "we are going different ways"

>>102671303
Classic Mint undervaluing herself

>>102672862
Actually it's good the image made me kek

>>102672852
all it took is Rolling Stones article KEK

>>102672792
Thanks for baking, bro.

it seems the tea dried up for today
what can we expect tomorrow?

>>>>102672911
didn't she say just yesterday that she thinks MTD is clean? LMAO

>>102672899
Melody is evil and was in on it the whole time

>>102672708
Who does?

>>102672899
that I'm a 9 incher

>>102672878
I think Mint said she was supposed to debut like... 6 months ago. She was already signed on for the last year. She has been MASSIVELY delayed. I dont think the monster girls ever got an ETA, their shit just kept getting pushed back.

>>102672544
So what I know from kson:
The Youtube and Twitch channel was linked to her bank account. So she got 100% of the revenue from these platforms.

As for the cut that was in her contract:
Sponsorships for her were 100% talent, 0% company
Don't know about merch, but better than 50%, I'd guess.

So obviously since september those two revenue sources where 0% talent.

Looking at the Veibae thing, there might be the possibility that there were other contracts. But Veibae's story feels like they were mainly trying to get rid of her and Silvervale and paint them in a bad light, because she'd say "bad contract", when other fans hear about "great contracts"

>>102672950
Camilla is dropping something tomorrow, likely a GOOGLE DOCKEY.

Aethel is fucking great. Why don't I watch him more often?

>>102672963
Gayass MTD didn't hit on her

>>102672792
thanks baker

>>102672964
Hi MTD

>>102672950
MTD doxxing everyone before killing himself

What did "Nazuna" say

>>102672980
Love you mouse.

>>102670343
It's a good thing Geega constantly tells us that she's such a business pro ex-start up consultant high-IQ genius, because you'd never know it otherwise

>>102672862
NTA, what's wrong with it? I was just going to use it as the base for the next thread

Did hime get payed unlike the other girls ? I feel like her and her grandpa would have blown up this shit before anyone else if she didnt.

>>102672979
Your paychecks aren't clearing anymore

>>102672963
kek bro she must not rub as many elbows as anyone thinks for her to not have heard any rumors at all about him

>>102673014
Aethel is unironically an upgrade to Nyan

>>102673014
he was always funny, too bad he had health complications he was mia for awhile

>>102672991
Calling it now, MTD was the tier 4 and Vshojo tried to hush it up.

>>102672985
both tori and beri mentioned that they were supposed to debut in march, then delayed to summer, then delayed to october despite all being signed in january

>>102672989
Kson said she renegotiated after the leavers and got a pretty good contract.

>>102672991
I swear to God if that MTD fucker turns out to be her stalker I'm gonna shit bricks

>>102673048
It has Geega

>>102673014
He barely streamed the last months because his jaw fell off

>>102672817
Welcome to the club
Here’s your silver cookies with breast milk and inflatable fat vei dual waddling motors

>>102670343
kys apek

>>102673014
pink cat (male) good

>>102673079
>MTD was the tier 4 and Vshojo tried to hush it up.
what's tier 4?

>>102673014
He gets boring after a while. Hes a cool dude tho

>>102672815
kek imagine

>>102672950
Camila and maybe a few surprises.

Mouse and Zen will be huge, but we'll probably only get the full stories there after Vshojo is officially done and the NDAs are actually 100% worthless.

>>102673052
she said she did, yeah

>>102672615

>>102673093
It's karma for bringing up Mel from hololive every chance you could

>>102672963
>MTD didn't sexpest Geega
His taste is as shitty as he is.

>>102672615
jej

>>102672815
I could see one of them falling for it.

>>102673102
I wish silver lactated and suffered no hormonal consequences from it

>>102672615
>Aethel just reacted to this
Okay roboto

>>102673093
/swarm/ crossover soon

Peke...

>>102673039
that the girls where stealing her views by raiding into her lol

>>102673079
>>102673093
>Stalking a mid chubby Hispanic girl when he could have gone for one of the actual lookers in his own company
I'm doubtful, honestly. That'd be very odd, though he could just have a type I guess or have gone after multiple girls.

>>102672963
He was too scared to sexpest her

Unironically listening to Mint sing “The Winner Takes It All” while reading everything , is weirdly cathartic.

>>102673209
kek

>>102673198
Did my bratty goddess post something?

I remember Mouse a while ago posted something like "I finally stood up for myself". I wonder how long she knew how shady Vshojo was

>>102673228
isnt she middle eastern

>henya isn't ok
Gunrun needs to be assraped to death with a metal rake.

>>102673195
I'm not even watching Aethel, I don't watch m*les kek.

kek

>>102672802
>geega
>smart
Do you remember how we used to say stuff like "smart people pretending to be retarded" and "retarded people pretending to be smart"?
Well, geega falls into the latter. Always smart talks, yet falls for the most retarded traps and tricks. Meanwhile you have absolute clowns like Shylily or Chibidoki who, despite their looks and acts, know how to move and what to do.

damn timeslot drama israel...

pmg looks interesting kek i didn't know he was know as danny boy

>>102673314
Iuno, maybe. She's brown, that's about all I know. They all look the same.

>>102673361
shut the fuck up mtd

New Froot tease. Page 10 btw

>>102673362
remember when Silver used to stream at like 3AM?
and now she streams at normal hours?
that's becasue fuckers told her to stream in the middle of the night

>>102673091
If I remember right that was one of those clips that weren't well translated, and she was speaking about the possibility of negotiating from a strong position, because the talents own the IP.
But it's a long time ago.

>>102673316
after all the shit she's been through, health complications, close family death and now this. pretty damn sure most people wouldn't be ok

>>102673356
>>102673412
the face she makes when I'm sucking her huge Frock

>>102673412
The face she makes when she hits the back of my throat while making a business call

New bake, holy shit the posting lag is bad

>>102673427
>>102673427
>>102673427

>>102673410
Nah MTD can go fuck himself, so does gunrun and whoever fucked over the girls.
But geega always talk shit and falls for every trick.

Why is Aethel talking like "slow burn" is bad?

>>102673412
Froot also in Henner chat

>>102673312
she posted
>i stood up for myself recently and it was really scary but im glad i did it in the end
not that she "finally" stood up for herself

>>102673412
Do you think MTD tried to get in her pants

Froot in Henya's chat

>>102673535
because zoomers can't into it

>>102673356
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>102673434
She streamed at degen hours for over a year after she left. Streaming during the day is pretty recent.

>>102673535
"slow burn" is usually cope and just a poorly structured waste of time

>>102670244
She came in late to the party and does not have the full picture. Really, the talents with the most knowledge are the ones from the very beginning. Kson and before.

>>102673845
That's kind of the truth. Most people come to the same conclusions when they have all the information.

>>102671428
There's plenty left. We need to see these chucklefucks in court.

>>102672708
i agree.

>>102674053
oh shit.