Thread 102684191

>and then proceeds to scout and attempt to poach Sayu, Quinn, and Kyrio

Reality is stranger than fiction

>>102684191 (OP)
they didn't actually try to get Kyrio, he auditioned and was told they didn't want him because of "rumors" they heard about him (translation: the 4chan shitposts about him grooming underaged girls in a discord. Gunrun saw them and believed them)

>>102684191 (OP)
They knew it would be unwise to try and contain the black corpo slayer.

They probably thought if they had gotten her and eventually screwed her over, Foki would've attempted Sudoku a third time and then they'd really be fucked. There's stupid but then there is Nijisanji stupid since embezzling money and shit might get you thrown in family court but murder will really get you in actual court that even running away to Mexico and South America won't save you.

>>102684191 (OP)
It is pretty fucking funny how vshojo tried to poach literally everyone EXCEPT for Doki.

>>102684324
>Fagoons don't know what murder means
Kek

>>102684368
>fagoons
NIJISEETHE

>>102684191 (OP)
>Everywhere she goes, disaster strikes
>Only one the poaching company won't poach
Gee I wonder why. It's almost like there's a common factor here but I can't quite put my finger on it.

>>102684191 (OP)
They cross off Doki instantly but somehow not Sayu?

>>102684431
Delayed the inevitable

>>102684522
It was Sayus idea in the first place to poach from NijiEN.

>>102684191 (OP)
>No way! They didn't try to poach the ultimate giga menhera who would try to kill herself over being told to wait a while to release a video then use her an hero attempt as a battering ram to ensure she'd have a good redebut? What's wrong with them?

Kek, this is just a good way to confirm that most sane business people avoid get like the plague

>>102684368
Being the cause of another person's suicide is consider murder you know. It's call involuntary homicide/manslaughter. It's even worse cause you're going to have to prove that you aren't the one who cause them to take their life and good luck with that.

>>102684706
NIJISEETHE

>>102684812
By definition, involuntary manslaughter is not murder. Murder requires premeditation.

>>102684706
Except all her sponsors.

>>102684977
Well, it will be manslaughter. Even if it isn't Gunrun rapechoking the life out of Doki, if she jumped off another roof and landed in front of VShojo's building because they screwed her over the court will still find them to be the cause of her death. It will go beyond just them stealing money and much harder for them to get out of jail even if they try to pull bankruptcy and run to some southern shithole country. Either way it would have been way too much worst of a hassle and made everything way worse now.

>>102685023
Because sponsors are much less involved with a streamer when compared to a manager. Doki rarely has issues with sponsors, but always has issues with her managers.

>>102684368
>Fagoons
Hello there, Dokischizo
https://warosu.org/vt/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=fagoons

it's reasonable why corporations would think she's radioactive, and pretty sure her being hard to work with was known throughout the scene even before termination

>>102684701
>Sayu was the mastermind behind the destruction of Vshojo
I may have to kneel for once

>>102685615
Dokibird is probably one of those polarizing industry figures that everyone either loves and would do anything to work with, or hates and avoids like the plague. The only thing that is for sure is that if you wrong her, her loyal Dragoons WILL make you pay.

>>102685615
Honestly yeah, it's not like her comeback changed any of those things

>>102684191 (OP)
>not hiring bpd schizo is le bad
its wise no matter who they are.

>>102685792
It HAS made the benefits of working with her evident. She can sell a piece of paper for $4.5k. She possesses a strange kind of charisma that makes neutral parties rally around her. There is no use trying to corral her into a corporate structure, but if you play your cards right, she can make you a rich man.

>>102685738
We're not some great army. More like a stampede of crying children screaming for our mom.

>>102684812
>Being the cause of another person's suicide is consider murder
No. You killing yourself because I called you a faggot doesn't make me a murderer.
>It's even worse cause you're going to have to prove that you aren't the one who cause them to take their life and good luck with that.
Please grow up

This would've been long before she got fired.

>>102684272
HOLY BASED

>>102684191 (OP)
>this is the one ex Niji Vshojo decided was not worth hiring
Is there ANY actual proof that Doki was the table and the willingly turned her away or you just assuming since they had a doctrine of trying to snatch up every ex-Niji they could (except Sayu lol)

>>102687029
Come on, give your fellow goons more credit! Katnchat had it coming anyway.

>>102687139
>vt anon demonstrating ignorance of what he's talking about
>says something that would get him condemned

Like clockwork. You're the sort of person who doesn't comply with police officers even if they're being agreeable and then complain you're getting charged with obstruction of justice.

>>102687869
Show me a single case of a person getting charged with murder for telling someone else to wait

>>102687561
Doki mentioned it the other day that she was not approached by vshojo, nor any other vtuber companies since her return

>>102689463
I think they view Dokibird as too independent to coax into obedience, and too powerful to coerce.

>>102689554
It could definitely be the latter option for sure. Most of the ex-Nijis that joined Vshojo for example were perfectly happy with an equally flawed deal from an unsustainable company. They were love bombed or groomed hard to where they tolerated not getting paid by the end. Mint in particular wasn’t even paid for her merch and somehow she was still fine with it, that probably speaks more about the kind of people Vshojo was targeting.

>>102685695
She has inverse Midas touch

>>102689554
They're sorta wrong. She'll do just about anything if you pay her enough to fund her projects. She said her price for exclusivity, though, was excessively high since if anyone wanted her exclusively, they would need to fund her enough money to build a 3D studio she could rent to other western vtubers.
But if you just want her to hang around or collab, allegedly she's very affordable. Seriously, brave could have easily dumped a bunch of money on her, and she would've played with the vspoen girls at least once a week and introduced them to top esports players.

>>102689338
>goalpost moved lol lmao

>>102690138
Still find it odd they linked knuckles with Niji EN instead of Doki but that's their choice and it's a done deal so it's whatever. Doki has a wealth of collab partners to choose from so she's not hurting for opportunities.

>>102690019
Whatever your opinions are on Doki and her fanbase, it's a fact that her fans made a show of revolting against Nijisanji. For a single vtuber's community to rise up and take action against a company, NDA be damned, is still something only Dragoons have done. To have that sort of fanbase mix with yours is a liability because in the timeline where Doki had been scouted successfully into VShojo, Dragoons would be incredibly skeptical and willing to side with Doki at a moment's notice. Vtuber-related news outlets benefit from painting her as a victim after Nijisanji so you're fighting an uphill battle when it comes to the more mainstream news sources.

>>102684360
In hindsight, it's probably because doki had lawyered up and so they knew they couldn't dupe her so easily. She was too savvy and too willing to fight for VShojo to want her, in other words. Still managed to get screwed over by her parents, but a lot of smart people trust their parents too much.
If they had been a clean company that really espoused the ideals they had claimed, she'd have been a natural choice. Which is why my own assumption had been that she just didn't want to join them. Given what she said around the time, I don't know why I ever thought that.

>>102690255
Granted, the dragoons had a lot of allies, but yes, I agree. Even back in the Selen days, they had a reputation, so to speak. I think that while sponsors love to have dragoon money given their loyalty to their oshi, potential corpo collab partners view that level of autonomous power with apprehension.

>>102690255
Anyone with something to hide wouldn't want to deal with her, certainly.

>>102690255
In hindsight, it really is an anomaly of a fanbase within NijiEN. I don’t think even the LuxNoc girls would have created a full on revolt, nor would the Pomudachis either if she was terminated.

>>102690139
Ok. Show me a single case of someone getting charged with murder for calling someone a mean name

>>102690875
It's because LuxNoc sisters were overwhelmingly female (and K-Pop girls, at that) at the height of Niji's popularity. While this is a gross overgeneralization, the observable behavior speaks for itself. Sisters don't do anything major that requires commitment. They talk shit online, slander, twist narratives, and doxx - but as keyboard warriors. When the call for real action in the name of positive change comes, they are sheep. They sit down and bow their head because they would rather avoid the confrontation. They aren't motivated to make nice things, only to tear down critics and stifle negatives. The amount of nijifans in the present era that possess the drive to channel their energy into a creative outlet aside from art is sparse.

>>102684191 (OP)
>>102690575
DOKI WON

>>102684812
>Federal wire fraud felony
>Wire fraud felony resulted in someone committing suicide
>2nd degree felony murder?
Can you get felony murder state charges off a federal felony?

>>102690171
It's still baffling. VSPOjp interacted with her directly with no problems, but EN refuses to, despite one of them being a self admitted fan. (Arya I think)

>>102690620
I could see that. After Niji, they could have seen her as a dangerous powder keg that'd blow up on them if they pushed too far, and for good reason. Especially now that she's big enough for a full team of experts to keep her from taking shitty deals, and she's slowly growing into being a businesswoman.

Comoare this to Mint, who is also stupid and self depreciating enough to get svammed, but not business savvy enough to have a team (for now)

>>102684322
>They knew it would be unwise to try and contain the black corpo slayer.

yeah, it's this. she gets dunked on a lot for being bad with finances but she's a demonstrably savvy networker. knowing what she knows now from her experience with kurosanji, she probably would have called them out on their bullshit around the same time that matara apparently did and been no worse for wear

>>102684272
THE MOST INFLUENTIAL THREAD

>>102684191 (OP)
ironmouse was scared of angering Nijisanji, because her boyfriend Connor had deep connections with them via trashtaste

>>102689554
nah they see dokibird as someone who is mentally unstable and ticking time bomb who can explode anytime if they go against her "my way or the high way" attitude.

>>102698178
>repeating what you quoted

>>102698178
It's both a stigma for her and a weapon against anyone who tries to test her because the public will always be on her side if it isn't 100% her fuckup. Unfortunately her track record speaks of her being a good person.

>>102699209
>Unfortunately her track record speaks of her being a good person.
>Steals from an artist
>Publicly broadcast a private conversation for laughs
>Tries to flex fame against an actual famous rapper
>Constantly has menhera meltdowns in tournaments at everyone's expense
>Tried to pick a fight with twitch normies over a game
>Got the boot from her parents

What a great person

>>102684272
Kek, good. Even those rrats aren't true he deliberately cultivated one of the most insane fanbases in NijiEN; I've no idea what he's doing now and whether he's still encouraging that insane behaviour but he's bad news.

>>102702078
>tries to flex fame against an actual famous rapper

HOLY DERANGED
PLEASE STOP TYPING, THE ENERGY BEING SENT TO YOUR FINGERS SHOULD BE SAVED AND REDIRECTED TO YOUR BRAIN LMAOOOO

Because gunrun was afraid of this

>>102685023
Having a ticking timebomb in your house is guaranteed death.
Having that timebomb far away in a bordered up area with cameras pointing at it makes for good TV.