>4chan is irrelev-ACK
https://x.com/Veibae/status/1948509619543822703
A reminder vshojo paid shitposters to shit on hololive vtuber and ex-vshojo members here.
The paid vshojo janny everyone was talking about was real.
If someone ever tells you your shitposts have no real impact on vtubing, remember this post.

So, every time someone said anything positive about Vshojo they were being paid...

>>102689530
>being paid
anon...

>>102689455 (OP)
>>4chan is irrelev-ACK
That LITERALLY proof 4chan is irrelevant is that Gunrun paid shitposters more often than his own talent, and it did absolutely NOTHING to help his company lol

man the whole
>hurr they are mean girls posse quitting for OTK and boyfriends, fucking grifters
shit is so fucking true i vividly remember how that made it into mainstream discourse, it was literally everywhere.
doesn't help that silver painted a target on her back by throwing shade at ironmouse saying she wasn't a friend to her

>>102689530
Remember, anon. It's always shills.
Also, remember all the times people got banned for posting stuff Zen or Mouse said ON STREAM.

>>102689530
Gunrun owes me 3years of shittalking

>>102689455 (OP)
>A reminder vshojo paid

No, Vshojo promised to pay. There's a difference.

>>102689455 (OP)
They should consult Nimi how to effectively ruined Hololive's reputation.

>>102689679
>>102689595

Vshojo was paying its shills but not its talents

>>102689595
>>102689679
Come on, I will not believe someone would shill such a shit corpo with ironlung for YEARS for free. There's no way someone is this fucking dumb... Right?
>>102689690
>how to effectively ruined
Aaand here I stand corrected.

>>102689618
this was one of the places that shit the hardest on vshojo and he was desperate to damage control here because they were considered invalid untouchables by holochads since literally fucking always. just the idea of having to share a board space with people like froot was (and still is) repulsive. he always started off trying to convince a place where their reputation here was at like -100 to start with to like them and at-best he got to almost-neutral at times but still overall negative, instead of "literally they are nuclear waste and sewage mixed together." he broke his brain over /here/ and in the end we still never really actually-liked them outside their own shill thread.

>>102689790
>this was one of the places that shit the hardest on vshojo
Turns out /vt/ is the most sane, rational place again.

>>102689854
it's fucking amazing hearing that the ceo of vshojo personally was deeply invested in here and he never, ever fucking won despite playing every underhanded trick in the book. here here.

>>102689455 (OP)
Gunrun should've paid me already kek

>>102689455 (OP)
From now on I will not take any rrat lighly, holyshit

>>102689455 (OP)
Anyone who thinks this board is irrelevant is a newfag or a corpo plant trying to convince you it isn't, no exceptions.

>>102689790
Remember when western indies and Vshojo were only allowed on /trash/? Wonder how /vt/ would look nowadays if that still applied.

>>102690404

>>102690404
so /jp/ was going to be impossible to keep the way it was with EN vtubing taking off so rapidly. they had to make a board for it eventually and they probably knew other things were in the works already like nijien etc. making this place a holo-only board would probably not have spared it from vshojo/niji/indie shitposters, they'd have just stayed on /trash/ or something and mald even more about not being allowed on the actual vtuber board. it'd be like not having /v/ but instead just a nintendo board and 0 other vidya boards.

tfw you realize /vt/ is just phase shills and vshojo shills shitting on each other and everyone else

>>102690581
And there's me, a humble rrat peddler.

>>102689455 (OP)
Female browsers, contact me on Discord. Tag: tchy0nn

videogames, anime, and all artistiic and creatiive—whether it's loIi, Pokemon, Fatte, Dragon Quest, Limbus Company, Bravely Default, Fire Emblem, /m/ series, Kemono, SMT, Mega Man, Monogatari, RWBY, Digimon, Disgaea or series like , Sonic, 3D SFM, Castlevania, Touhou,and more.Danganronpa, Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy, and more

you guys weren't earning also? why are you here?

>>102689623
Yes Anon, I clearly remember all the times people got banned for shittalking hololive back on /jp/ while hololive posters never got banned for shittalking any other group.
Not a good look considering this information.

>>102689530
Nah, there's plenty of retards that are easy to manipulate.

>>102691018
>Fast, let me deflect it somehow to hololive!

>>102689455 (OP)
>>102689618
Bold of you to think Gunrun did it to achieve something to start with and not simply to vent out because he's a bitter man and an idiot.

>>102689854
Remember, it's not paranoia, if they ARE out to get you.

>>102689455 (OP)
isreal

You mean i could've been paid millions for shitposting? what the fuck

>>102690581
and now you know why mods and jannies in their pockets aggressively delete any posts that mention the alternative boards like the tower.

>>102691159
Millions of Indonesian Rupiah, perhaps.
But think of it like this. Your shitposting made the CEO of one of the biggest vtubing companies shit and mald so hard he launched a full-blown shilling campaign here. He probably had countless sleepless nights thinking about your shitposts.

>>102689455 (OP)
Phasecucks on this newsdrop:

>>102690603
"Phase shills" seems like projection to me. Sakana is way too responsible with money.

>>102691252
Phaseshills do it for free

>>102689455 (OP)
You think a person as incompetent as gunrun decides what's relevant?

>>102691275
Isn't that just talking about vtubers you like at that point? i.e. the point of the board?

They had an idealistic foundation of giving the workers the means of production, but they ended up pretending to pay workers that pretended to work. They tried to keep up an image of being the workers' paradise through propaganda and psyops. Then they suddenly collapsed, and everyone could see the dirty laundry.

>>102689455 (OP)
And a lot of tubers lurk here as well. Some even shitpost.

>>102690312
The degree of the board’s relevance is based on the size of the company. For Hololive it basically is irrelevant. The smaller corpos fighting for mindshare, sure.

>>102689455 (OP)
Im sure that the only person who knew that was veibae and that noone else (like say ironmouse) knew about it or even endorsed that sort of shit
Its funny how when everything is fine they love the corpo and the corpo can do no wrong and they fully own the corpo and its fully transparent and they represent the good corpo but the second things go to shit, they are all victims that were never involved or even KNEW about anything negative whatsoever
What a coincidence

>>102691458
https://youtu.be/Z5p2uVbgdTM?t=1444

I guess the party is over... Vtubing really is dying. (It hurt more when Idol died.)

>>102689455 (OP)
>they were convinced hololive was over when they signed kson and nazuna
How willfully retarded do you have to be to believe this?

>>102689530
>make 1 rrat
>make it funny
>retards will spread it for free
idiots are easy to manipulate.

>>102689455 (OP)
Honestly i just think everyone in this a shitty person, and a bad thing happened to bad spoiled women.

>>102689790
brooooooo I remember that, lots of people shit on VShojo super hard here. I'm sure this definitely made Gunrun bitter as that anon mentioned >>102691096

No wonder hololive always lived rent free in his head, he was probably always around /here/ like every other corpo seeing how they're seeing holo dominate

>>102691219
they desperately need that traffic, everyone is in on it here. They don't want any alternatives like the tower, understandable

>>102690312
Even redditwatter knows this board is hugely influential by now, the vtubers getting caught lurking here are in the dozens, multiple Nijisanji leaks happened here etc.

>>102689455 (OP)
damn, he could with us right here, right now in this very thread, in this very post maybe...

>Vshojo. You are a dead corpo.
>Bala-Tik. What's the problem?
>The problem is you promised us fifty thousand for this job. I heard you also promised fifty thousand to Kanjiklub.
>You know you can't trust those little freaks! How long've we known each other?
>The question is how much longer will we know each other? Not long. We want our money now.
>Ya think posting on /vt/ is cheap? I spent that money.
>Kanjiklub wants their money too.
>I never made a deal with Kanjiklub!
>Tell that to Kanjiklub.

>>102689455 (OP)
OP wasn’t paid by vshojo and now seethe

so they really were /HERE/ all along?

>>102689530
Not working very well. I've been ignoring corpo wars from the behinning.
You know, all this reminds me of the '08-'09 /v/ with the console wars. Most people ignored those too, but they still kept going. Makes one wonder if there were paid actors too?

This is why I don't watch EN V-Tubers, they're all drama hungry morons.

>>102692365
nah

>>102691644
Getting caught on /trash/ will never not be funny.

>>102689455 (OP)
Have paid shills ever been able to accomplish anything of fucking note on this board? You can't change the tide of an ocean by pissing in it.

>>102689455 (OP)
Everyone is /here/. Not just relevant to /vt/ but /pol/ and every single subcultural board. But there are rules about participation and we don't talk about it irl, and instead make passing references to "4chan? Lol who the fuck uses that hellsite?"

>>102689679
>tfw the guy who owes you $2000 in passes announces that his company is bankrupt

>>102692390
No I think those were unironic tribalfags doing it for the love of the game. Consoles were massively popular and you'd see those types in basically any tangentially related gaming public forums.

>>102689455 (OP)
vshojo fucking sucks but vei is the queen shittalker so this is pretty rich

>>102692933
Console wars still come up from time to time even now when they're all basically shit.

>>102693030
You not getting paid for this anymore anon

>>102693123
>a fact
>UHHHHH UR BEING PAID

she didn't deserve how she was treated by vshojo at all, but she shittalked shylily unprompted publicly

>>102689530
>paid
Anon haven't you learned by now? THEY DO IT FOR FREE!!!!!!!

>>102689619
>doesn't help that silver painted a target on her back by throwing shade at ironmouse saying she wasn't a friend to her
I remember this. She said Ironmouse hadn't talked to her in several months before her departure and also STRONGLY implied that Cdawg was her boyfriend.
This new narrative is very contradictory to how she felt after leaving but maybe she found out later that she was being isolated on purpose.

>>102689455 (OP)
THEY PAID TRANNY JANNIES

I, THE ENNASCHIZO WOULD BE BANNED IMMEDIATELY WHENEVER I EXPOSED IRONLUNGS AKA THE WHORE OF BABYLON AS A DEADBEAT MOTHER, FILLED WITH BLACK CUM WHO STEALS FROM CHARITY... Every fucking time...

But, oh surprise I can do it now with no repercussion... It seems the money stop flowing...

They sold out so bad, that they permanently banned me from posting images or starting threads. This is why I have not kept exposing Enna, Reimu and the other pedophiles, literally because the jannies here were paid to silence me

>I AM THE ENNASCHIZO AND I ENDORSE THIS MESSAGE

>>102689455 (OP)
This happens in every industry, this place just happens to be extremely relevant as far as the vtuber discourse goes. It also happens in gaming and movie industry.

>>102690404

>>102693303
>he did it for free, while vshojocucks got paid fat steam gift cards for shitposting

>>102692669
Ok but is /JP/ here? Hmmmmmm?????????????

>>102691310
>If you like something you're a shill.

>>102692390
Good times...

>>102689455 (OP)
QRD on why NDAs are void/aren't actually void?

>>102694254
Can't have an NDA with a company that is now dead, I assume

>>102692456
I miss production kawaii
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>102694604
My cuckbro Connor Coclqhouen Marquez says ded company doesn't mean dead NDA...

>>102693303
I still want to know how schizos like you got the idea that she abandoned the kid, when the entire reason we know about it in the first place was from her describing how she... didn't.

>>102689455 (OP)
I wonder if they offered Saba anything? Though she does not need them for merch or promotion.
Just a wet dream, they probably have.

wait was he going to use the $500k to pay the shitposters here?
LMFAO

>>102689530
Where was he hiring? And are there still companies paying for such services?

- MTD got reprimanded for being creepy to us. lol. got told not to message us privately. go figure.

who is this MTD person?
i think that is the one who embezzled everything

>>102695869
This has to be MTD

>>102695869
>>who is this MTD person?
mowtendoo
that fag who used to make ytpmvs

>>102689455 (OP)
imagine shit talking hololive for free

>>102695869
MowTenDoo?

>>102689530
i said nothing about corpos, i only like or dislike the talents.
liking a corporation is like liking a channel because you're favorite show is on it, what happens once the show moves to Hulu or Netflix?
corporations are only useful to expose the talent to greater audiences, nothing more.

>>102695905
>>102695916
>>102695892
This is the one who did it,

>>102693217
to be fair, should
shylily copied vei's manner of speaking.
shy has a way of seeking out drama, unprompted

>>102696049
>shylily copied vei's manner of speaking.

German

>>102695989
This is why we should pirate talents.

>>102689455 (OP)
KEKAROOOO!

>>102696142
pirate talents

>>102695892
The person who matches her description is Alex Kiyoshi Pelz, as he had worked previously in Hololive and was working under Vshojo until as recently as this month.
Mowtendoo, or MTD for short, didn't come from any "noted Vtuber company"; instead, he has been the CCO and CFO of Vshojo since its inception.

>>102692456
>Lia browsing /cm/, not even /vt/
kino

>>102696198
I'd take her booty everyday, me matey.

What's funny is she herself lied about Hololive and caused her collab with Kiara to be cancelled back in 2021 and never apologized but now she's saying that Gunrun or whatever that guy's name is was the one seething as if she wasn't there with him complicit until she left because she realized her contract was probably worse than Cover.

>>102696142
Pirating talents is a band-aid solution, what we need is to support free and open source talents that respect the four essential freedoms of viewers

>>102689530
Still haven't got my paycheck, this is bullshit

>>102689455 (OP)
>especially hololive, it literally lived rentfree in gunruns head. they were convinced hololive was over when they signed kson and nazuna
This vshojo shitshow just keeps getting funnier lmao

>>102693303
I appreciate your work anon

I never heard any of these rrats I just think veibae is a gross grifter whore and never should have been within 10 feet of vtubing.

>>102689455 (OP)
I don't doubt this website has it's fair share of sabatouers, always has especially since 2015-2016 til now, but let's not act like Vei and Silver were not troublemakers

unless Vei comes out and says Gunrun forced her to fuck Soda and wear the "retard" hat i'm not buying it

unless Silver comes out and says that Gunrun forced her to play Harry Potter and upset a fanbase that she herself built up because "guys Harry helped me through tough times" i'm not buying it.

Did he fuck them over? of course but they're no angels

>>102690503
This board is for Vtubers not Streamers with Anime avatars. Non-JP company streamers should leave

>>102689455 (OP)
>holo win AGAIN even in 4chan holo anti got exposed as paid anon by vshojo
KEK, u cant make this shit up

>>102689455 (OP)
I think 4chan is super relevant due to this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_up_the_chain

When looking at influence WAY too many people look at numbers alone. So a smaller place like 4chan must of course have less influence than a much larger place like reddit.

>>102692669
Remember when Millie, Finana, and their ilk were caught doing damage control here? They would never admit it, but most of them come here to ego search at the very least.

Lmao. If the ip counter was still here, vshojo would have seen that they were wasting time for 300 retards at most.

>working for a company that actively tried to keep you from exposing the truth
I'm glad Vei and a few others got out.
But there is still much more than meets the eye, I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but something about Ironmouse just doesn't sit right with me.

and I was doing it for free, when all along I could've gotten paid

>>102700360
Anon, nobody got paid. You would've gotten promises of payment at most.

It's known that there are paid shills for game corpos on /v/ and anyone who's been to /k/ or /pol/ can see how blatant the shilling for both sides of the Ukraine war are on those boards. I wouldn't be surprised if there was paid shilling on /tv/ too but I don't really browse that board.
Should it really surprise anyone that there are paid shills /here/ when this is the most active vtuber discussion space?

>>102689455 (OP)
ah fuck, i shittalked veibae on here cause shes a vapid, brainless whore, but seems i accidentally joined some kinda corporate campaign
and i wont even get paid

>>102700424
>I wouldn't be surprised if there was paid shilling on /tv/ too but I don't really browse that board.
there is and its actually really funny sometimes cause they are so insanely bad at it and dont get 4chan what so ever

>>102689455 (OP)
>Mythic talent accusing someone of 4chan astroturfing

Does anyone know who do I contact regarding backpay for clandestine PR work on 4ch*n?
I haven't been paid in weeks and I think I'm entitled to some of the bankruptcy proceeds.

>>102689618
No, the narratives implemented by gunrun stuck around and are adopted by the normies. they now think:
>hololive is a shady company too
>actually, every company is now bundled with Vshojo and niji, and that makes every company bad
>the company keeping IP is shady(?)
>idol culture is still frowned upon even more
>vtubers should just be fleshies like kson
>vtubers are "extorted by their fans" to not male collab, or talk about their private lifes
>every vtuber is dating someone
>vtubers are coomer bait and overly sexualised

these are narratives vshojo used to build their own image, or destroy others as they see fit. you still see most of these and ALL of them benefited vshojo. hmmm i wonder why that is. carefully crafted lies.

>>102700424
/co/ had a lot of the actual staff working on the cartoons visiting
let alone creators of the smaller stuff like webcomics
not sure about the shilling, but you'd totally see stuff that was discussed in the threads and nowhere else referred to on creators twitters occasionally
the most infamous case was when Alex Hirsch made some fake Gravity Falls leaks to troll the 4chins with, and posted them in the thread himself

>>102689717
Shills first!

>>102701365
I do wonder now - how much of that anti-idol anti-unicorn whine was organic normalfaggotry, and how much of it was the actual literal Vshojo gayops.

>>102701503
It was always the latter.
It's mostly westerners crying about idols and unicorns

>>102695420
how long does she stream everyday and how much time do you think she spend on her kid?

>>102689455 (OP)
wild

>>102689455 (OP)
is he retarded? why would you pay someone to shit on vei when she has a bf who shits himself?

>>102695989
A corpo can still have certain style that you like.
You compare them to tv channels, but I compare them more like those massive video game publishers like Nintendo.
Saying you like Nintendo games doesn't mean anything, there are tons out there both good and bad, at the same time you can understand what they are saying.
This is what corpo should do, and why VShoujo failed.

>>102700424
There are cover staff who on LinkedIn literally write that they monitor 4chan

>>102701369
>>102700424
Don't forget that various musicians also browse /mu/ with Death Grips announcing one of their albums on the board.

>>102704321
>I compare them more like those massive video game publishers like Nintendo
Nintendo is pretty much the only big gaming company that could be said to have fans (Outside of maybe Valve). Like, there's not really such a thing as a Sony fan or a Microsoft fan that will just consoom anything they put out, that's purely a Nintendo thing. Even if you go down one notch to publishers that just have a bunch of games under the same/similar genre/s, like Atlus or Arcsys, you don't really get Atlus or Arcsys fans, you get MegaTen and Guilty Gear fans that are only marginally more likely to check out shit they put out besides those compared to the average person

>>102704795
It's kind of a shame, I was going to say the relevance of this place has diminished massively but upon thinking on it, it is now just a battleground for massive (corp) interests and narratives one way or another. I used to discover so much cool indie shit on 4chan before, say, 2015 or so. 4channel has sort of just mirrored the trajectory of the internet in becoming an angry, constantly deteriorating and uniformly low quality shithole. One of the many pitfalls of the internet becoming so dominant everywhere.

>>102704845
There are absolutely Sony fans (like games in third person, usually open world, with a strong cinematic feeling), and there used to be XBox fans (dudebros and Mountain Dew Gamers games) before Microsoft sistematically destroyed XBox to fuel GamePass.
Not to mention Blizzard fans, CD Project fans, Bethesda fans and so on.

>>102692423
faxxx

>mfw
https://youtu.be/Siv0jzg_xMk?si=qOAqex3W-kSmyMms

COME OUT YOU CORPO SHILLS COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN~
TELL YOUR WIFE'S SON HOW YOU WON SHEKELS DOWN ON REDDIT~
TELL HIM HOW VEETEE MADE YOU RUN LIKE HELL AWAY~

>>102705595
cringe ahh american-core

>>102689455 (OP)
yes, 4chan is irrelevant and it's embarrassing when "people" like parrot and bvtm break containment.
no ip count = you are talking with a chatgpt

>>102704845
The industry really has changed.
I used to be fans of Insomniac and Sucker Punch. But then I grew out of consoles toward the end of the PS3 era.
I'm still a fan of Valve. I've been a PC game for far too long. I also like Devolver Digital, New Blood, and Nightdiver.
>>102705021
>It's kind of a shame, I was going to say the relevance of this place has diminished massively...
I saw someone complain about that on /lit/ recently. He complained about how much 4chan's cultural influence has diminished from the 2016 and 2020 era and that the last true flowering of this site's culture was back when sojack posting took over /qa/. I don't agree with him because then you completely ignore the cultural movement of the recent years when Russia invaded Ukraine.
Here's the thing, it seems to me that 4chan seems to always find itself on the bleeding edge of the cultural zeitgeist and it's cultural influence always ebbs and flows over the years. The early 2010's weren't that big for the site until Gamegate hit and kicked off the culture wars.
>I used to discover so much cool indie shit on 4chan before, say, 2015 or so.
I still think you can. I really believe Trench Crusade on would'nt've gotten as big as it did without 4chan.
/v/ is still a good place to find neat niche titles. Last time I checked they had a thread where they were sharing steam games with under 1000 reviews.
Same thing with other boards like /lit/, /mu/, and others.
>>102692423
>>102705471
It's because of the Japanese culture of "Face". We don't have that here in the west. We have a culture of independence.

>>102705696
>American Company
>American image board
>American Drama
Damn right.

Did you know more Europeans die from hot weather then Americans die from firearms? All because they won't open a windows or get A/C.

>>102705904
A pale imitation of the source material, as is ever the case.

>>102705696
>Song about the IRA
>American-core
That's an Irish independence song, anon.
ISHYGDDT

>>102689530
Not every time.
But any time.

>>102705845
>sharing games with under 1000 reviews
that's the critical difference between this and other boards, if you went to /v/ and said "Nintendo board, buy an ad" in a hidden gems thread you'd be rightfully shit on if not publicly banned. Here people take pride in not knowing shit about vtubing, paradoxically hate on anyone from the board who actually tries to stream, and carry the normalfag numbers=quality attitude

>>102706172
>Now that's interesting.
>What?
>Scanning for money. If I do a scan looking for your basic balance, I get nothing. Zippo, nada. See? Nobody home. But if I widen the parameters to money owed... A million, million. Gives up after that. A million, million.
>But there's nothing here. There's no money.

>>102689530
This is why 4chan runs on negativity. It's easy to say something positive about something you're paid to promote. It's harder to shittalk your competition while putting yourself in a better light.

>>102689623
Notice the generous use of Cuck in those posts, and how it is always used for shitstirring - seems to be prevalent in the MarriageGate drama being riled up currently too. No doubt the same crowd. Vshojo drones.

>>102692456
>/cm/
On brand.

>>102689530
Haven't you been paying attention? Nobody at vshojo was getting paid

>>102689623
it isnt ALWAYS shills, sometimes it's dumb SEA creatures that were easily led by the shills

>>102706490
Kek, that was good. Reminds me when I enjoyed that show.

>>102705074
Those ones are a bit skewed because a large chunk of Sony's catalog is Druckman or Druckman-esque games, and a large chunk of MS's catalog is some flavor of FPS. Even then, you could argue that's mostly them being fans of the genre, the type of Sony fan you're describing would enjoy a third person, open world cinematic game not made by Sony (e.g. Death Stranding) and the type of Xbox fan you describe would enjoy an FPS not made by MS (e.g. Call of Duty). The same can't really be said about Nintendo fans, it's not enough to be Scrimblo Blimblo, it specifically has to be Nintendo's Scrimblo Blimblo for them to like it.

Bringing it back to VTubers, I've never seen a fan of Phase Connect or Vallure, I've seen fans of menhera girlfailures and lewdtubers, and people who follow a lot of Phase Connect or Vallure talents because they both provide a large number of them; Their allegiance is to the type of chuuba, not their company. In that sense, Holo would truly be the Nintendo of Vtubing, it's not enough to be an idol, it has to be a Hololive idol for them to like it
>>102705845
My point is: Most people aren't fans of a company, they're a fan of their products. Using Valve as an example, because it's the one I'm most familiar with, is there any reason you're a fan of Valve besides "They make fun FPS games that also can be modified to do goofy shenanigans" or "They make good hardware at a reasonable price"?
>>102706207
In /vt/'s defense, there's different barriers to entry, making a game you can sell, even for a cheap price, takes a lot more than setting up a channel. This means that in a hidden gems thread, it's far more likely for chuubas to self-promo on /vt/ than for developers to self-promo on /v/

>>102710857
>it's not enough to be an idol, it has to be a Hololive idol for them to like it
Got me pinned there. I never did fuck with the Idol biz and I still don't even now. Hololive only gets away with it because my Oshi is here and has been staying in Japan for extended period because she really enjoys doing this stuff and is making friends along the way.

>>102710857
Don't see what the issue with self-promo is either, there's been plenty of homegrown media out of this site with little issue

>>102691768
I'm still convinced Elira is Shadow Mane-chan for NijiEN

And how did it work out for them? I'm sure all the money they spent here was very useful.

>>102693690
>>102692390
The big difference between 2008 console wars and today is the fact there were a bunch of shitposting about consoles, but you didn't have people who's entire life was to enter actual video game discussion and make it unusable because they spend the entire thread derailing it and attacking people.
I've noticed that's become a common tactic in multiple boards across 4chan as well.

>>102689530
Obviously

>>102701025
I'm glad to hear it either way. It's validating.

>>102689455 (OP)
That explains all the nimi threads when vshojo was exploding. I raised my concern in one of them and what I thought was an schizo told me that no body cares about an small corpo. Now I know he was a thirdworlder being paid to look like an schizo. Crazy times.

>>102694254
>>102695311
Even if there were money to enforce NDA (lel), multiple laws and precedents have been violated such that the NDA is likely invalid at this point.

>>102719981
Not only that but the Ironmouse pic. schizo that went crazy a while back and tried to dunk on the most popular girls with no proof claiming Ironmouse was better. Either they switch avatars or got preoccupied fighting off crazy Kai fans.

>>102689530
anons we need to stand up and ask for payment from gunrun

>>102689455 (OP)
so vshojo was worse than kurosanji all along...

>>102689619
>doesn't help that silver painted a target on her back by throwing shade at ironmouse saying she wasn't a friend to her
The thing is with what we now know and with how Mel's BF is said to have been spreading lies, purposely pitting talents against each other by comparing their success and driving wedges in their friendships behind closed doors while at meetings and under NDA. It could've all been done on purpose.
>Silver's rant on twitter about never being worth as much as someone with a higher number during Mouse's Underworld Goddess debut
He could've told her she was a failure and didn't get something like a Nendo because she wasn't as successful as Mouse.
>Mouse not talking to her for several months in private
Just had to point a finger at the previous rant, say Silver hated her guts, talks mad shit and that she should maybe distance herself.
>Silver saying Mouse hadn't spoke to her in several months when she left resulting in numerous threads and posts kind of jumping the gun and saying this proves Mouse is a two-faced snake and lying bitch
Mouse signing her contract was up in the air following the other three leaving and she said as much on stream and that she had a lawyer re-negotiating it on her behalf. This is Mowtendoo work on the off chance that she would leave and to further isolate her from the other three.

>>102692456
>/cm/ for Lia was a shoop on a blank screen
>pagpags think its real

>>102722114
That shit is actually fucked. Like extremely fucked because it can have longterm consequences on people.
What even would be the reasoning for doing that shit? It's just malicious. Actually illegal and NDA voiding type shit.

There is no fucking law that says you can use an NDA to defend yourself from being exposed for abuse and slander. There is no court that will uphold such NDAs. Fuck you Vshojo fuck you.

>>102689595
don't indogs get paid with appstore cards or some shit? they are cheap enough for any company to astroturf websites with

>>102723421
weak damage control liacuck

>>102689455 (OP)
You are all morally obligated to post and masturbate to pictures of Vei

>>102725015
>>102692456
See >>20711881

>>102691310
Phasefags take any and every opportunity to bring Phase into the conversation.

The best example is how they've been camping in /lig/, a thread for independent vtubers, for so long and so stubbornly that the OP changed to define the thread in such a way that Phase is somehow on-topic

>>102724197
>There is no court that will uphold such NDAs
But there are vtubers stupid enough to believe they might, which is what vshoujo appears to have preyed on for years.

>>102706958
sure, but i'm not being paid, and i say i want to impregnate saba, dooby, vei, shy, lumi, and a whole stable of v-whores.

so the rule only applies up to a certain point, then coomers law takes over.

I think it's more damning that we got used for some rich kids playing a narrative becase they could hide being anons in here. and we took it hook line and sinker.

>>102702066
please tell me that isn't your sole logic that drove you to schizo out

>>102725579
Speak for yourself i was never tricked

>>102689455 (OP)
SneedSHOChuck.

>>102692217
TFA was a solid start. Too bad Disney then proceeded to shoot themselves in both feet with a .50 BMG derringer.

>>102689530
With what money?

>>102689455 (OP)
>4changs is full of bought agenda shillers
it's called /pol/ and no i'm not fucking surprised

>>102735956
No, those are astroturfed by glownigs. And especially /k/.