Why did she bet wrong (again) and convince herself VSHOJO was the place to be?

>>102705353 (OP)
she figured VShojo's connection with Dearstage would be more useful to her.
And to be fair, she signed with VShojo before it became clear PC was serious about supporting Idol concerts

>>102705353 (OP)
she loves attention like you wouldn't believe

Because underneath all the "uwu impostor syndrome, uwu lack of self confidence" bullshit there is always the cockiness of thinking you can do better than settling for sloppy thirds.

She's still plagued by the same kind of Nijisanji audience who would get mad at a vtuber pretending to eat McDonald's nuggets. They would abandon her at a moment's notice if she joined the evil Pippa corp.

>>102705353 (OP)
Breh another pc bait thread.

But anyway real answer is probably cause she signed with vshojo and had an exclusivity maybe? Or more likely too busy planning debut stuff and projects but now that's all gone and unfortunately they have to deal with the fallout.

Anyways mint is a phase friend I like her and no bait threads will get me to hate wisps. Unity wins once more, peace.

>>102705353 (OP)
Phase has the reputation of being the "unhinged, menhera girls" corpo.
VShoujo meanwhile had a much more "neutral" reputation, there wasn't any expectation of what the standard template of a "VShoujo talent" might be (unlike Phase).

>>102705353 (OP)
Honestly, it feels like Mint had a bit of a diva mindset. She came from Niji, saw Phase Connect as small time, and went running to VShojo the moment she saw the big names. That or Gunrun offer her a too good to be true contract like Kson experienced and locked herself in.

>>102705353 (OP)
Happened before Phase became worth it. I think she probably will now

>>102705639
>rejected the corpo who has talents are literally like you and have the courage to be themselves
>embraced the corpo full of nepo-hires, poachers, and sympathy baiters
Good job minto.
>>102705503
Wisps are retarded, but not that kinda retarded. They're more delusional than anything, which is its own kind of problem.

>>102705353 (OP)
they cant afford her.

>>102705827
That is out the window and irrelevant considering she worked for Vshojo for free

>>102705353 (OP)
She literally said she knew Gunrun from before, plus we know that Sakana didn't understand the potential of 3D until second half last year
It makes perfect sense that things simply did not align in her mind

>>102705882
do you really think she will work for phase for free?

>hololive
>treating talents well
KEKAROOOOOO
deluded holodrones really coming out in force today

>>102705826
>Wisps are retarded, but not that kinda retarded
>>102681044
>>102681190
>>102682093
>>102684109

>>102705503
Wisp community is full of annoying troons, wota homos, and fat karens but none of them would abandon her. If they're not hollering about Mint being a freak then they're having a prayer circle for Mint's latest insecurity melty.

>>102705971
>kekaroo
die, spic

from what i gather, mint doesnt seem interested in a rebuild/build
she wants what she thinks is a sure thing. she thought nijisanji and vshojo were sure things.

even to their gen1, they will tell you they thought phase was a scam. i guess it stops being a scam and starts being real when you are on anime nyc, tubeout, and the vtuebr awards idol concert

>>102705930
No you are looking at it all wrong. Corpo vtubing is all about percentages and cuts. You make what you earn. if they gave her a 90-10 split, plus 3D concerts, plus music support, plus sponsor opportunities, plus she keeps her IP... idk. Phase can give her a retarded split because she is so much bigger than everyone and they will get that investment back in birthday merch alone

>>102705986
Yeah this is why I don't go anywhere near the wisp community or read the livestream chat. I like Mint as an entertainer, but her fanbase is full of some of the most insufferable doormats you've ever seen.

>>102705742
>She came from Niji, saw Phase Connect as small time, and went running to VShojo the moment she saw the big names.

Basically how I saw it too. She was only hanging around PC when she first left Niji and needed some work. As soon as a offer from something bigger came in she jumped on it.

>>102706133
That's pretty much where I think she is too. She either doesn't have the drive or the confidence to actually run her own game anymore. Which is fine for some people in their career's sometimes you just want a place you can plug into and give your all where the groundwork is handled for you. Mint wants too much of everything, so to really get her ideal setup she would need to discard the shit self confidence and do it herself.

vshojo was deceptively evil but phase is a joke

>>102705986
mint is sadly held back by amount of savior complex twitterfags infesting her fanbase who try to dictate retarded ideas for her on socials and /here/

You know what is funny, is that last year on HAGS Matara and Mint talked about the concert, and Matara said
>guys, I don't think you understand how special a full mo cap idol concert is and how expensive it is to pull off. We have been trying in Vsojo and we can't get it done
Mint should have gotten the clue there

>>102706335
so true sister

>>102706399
never happened

>>102706335
Imagine losing to a fucking joke.

>>102706399
>>102706525
https://youtu.be/DK599n_Hs-k?t=2964
it really starts at the 50 minute mark
>It is such a cool opportunity for Mint. 3D idol concerts are really starting to open up in the west, and just for anybody who doesn't know how big of an opportunity this is for Mint, with VShojo we have been looking at (3D concerts) and it is so expensive the bill pushes 6 figures and we just can't do that. And because this is at a big convention, you have to get song licensing you can't just sing anything you want. You never think of stuff like that and those hurdles to jump and the money that costs.
Matara basically says without saying idol concerts will never be a thing for Vshojo because they looked into and went "lolno."

>>102706740
>we just can't do that
>but another 10 models for Ironmouse? YABA DABA DOOOOOOOOO

>>102705986
Phase fans have worked hard for this sort of response! Please do not disrespect their hard work.

>>102706774
Did VS pay for all the models?

>>102705353 (OP)
I kind of hope the fish man never offers her anything ever again. I don't like ungrateful bitches.

>>102705353 (OP)
VShojo treated her well too. It's just that they did with money that didn't belong to them.

>>102706846
they are gonna need Mint for PhaseCon.

>>102706888
Kek
If you mean the merch money they stole from her (twice) then yes

>>102706903
You're delusional if you think Mint is in any way "needed."

>>102706550
What joke did Phase lose to?

>>102705353 (OP)
It's 2006 and you have an offer from Lehman Brothers but Evercore might be interested in giving you an offer too, but probably worse on paper. Which are you going to choose? It's a no brainer for most people. That's why.

>>102705353 (OP)
By the way, Phase is going back to AnimeNYC, August 21st (Thursday) to 24th (Sunday), Booth 1901.
Will there be another concert? Unlikely... although in her stream, Lia said that Sakana may leak something soon.

>>102707053
There won't be another concert. Not only is Pippa not there but Pippa herself said that the concert was a flop

>>102706903
I think people are expecting phase con to be a lot bigger than its actually going to be. Not all conventions are these big mega conventions that rent out a big convention hall. PhaseCon I would expect is going to be more the size that rents out a couple of event halls at a hotel. Fishman has been a cheap bastard but that is also the reason the company has remained financially stable through everything, I don't see him doing phase con unless he has a limited budget/scope in mind.

Some of you are trippin. The reason why Sakana got the 3D bug is because of Mint and Lia. He was ready to give up on it until he saw them and felt that energy. Also Mint likely signed with VShojo before she even met Phase in person.

I do think Sakana should go full court press with Mint and offer her and the 2 girls that were supposed to be be with her. Make a presentation Show her where Phase has gotten some of its talents it is a pretty impression portfolio all things considered, and they are doing it while being a fraction of the star Mint is. So imagine what Phase could do for Mint? and imagine what Mint could do for Phase.

She probably wont go for it because she has now been fucked over by 2 corpos, but it is worth a shot. Phase should also be looking at any other VShojo girls to see if they would be interested and have goals that align with Phase.

>>102706774
her twitch revenue alone would be enough to order one new model each month for the next ten years, what the fuck are you even on about

>>102707100
She said it didn't make any money and that it wasn't expected to. Fishman wanted it for exposure reasons and to keep his foot in the door for concert stuff or something.

>>102707162
>Phase should also be looking at any other VShojo girls

Fuck no.

>idol event too much
>hire a tax evader
yabba dabba doo

>>102705353 (OP)
Phase doesn't have anything that's worth 50% of her revenue, not for someone of her size. Vshojo didn't really make much sense either but it was low commitment. Don't need to redebut or make an alternate IP persona to join as an Invader.

>>102707100
>Not only is Pippa not there
what is that supposed to mean?

>>102707316
If they were doing something Pippa would be in it, I imagine? it's not really that hard to understand.

>>102707316
Beats me, I'd pay extra for Pippa not to sing

>>102707166
And to counterpoint that, why wouldn't she invest in her own company and brand to help it grow?

>>102707369
this was phase connects initial 2024 anime nyc announcement poster
besides, who cares if pippa in a concert or not? she basically wasnt in the offkai one phase are getting comfortable with the fact that they can do events without pippa.

>>102705464
If she was like that, she would have tried to join Hololive. She failed once, and now she believes that she will never be good enough for Hololive.

>>102706740
a normal person whould have heard matara say this and think to themselves
>did i just make a mistake? what did she mean by this?
but mint was like "nahhhhhh it's fine"

>>102705353 (OP)
I think she was trying to break her reputation as a cuck chuuba, not reinforce it

>>102707773
she has likely sent in an audition every single time auditions have opened
she is just too well known and too much mileage on her now. hololive 2025 and beyond is not for someone like her

>>102708116
she wasn't good enough in 2020 and she's not good enough in 2025

She was a Niji which mens she thinks shes better than small corpos. Vshojo was as far as her princess self was willing to go down

>>102705353 (OP)
She saw how little people came to see it and said Nope

>>102705353 (OP)
She wanted something better than Phase Connect. And I don't blame her. It's only natural to dream big. But the harsh truth was that Phase Connect is as good as it gets if Hololive's doors are closed to you.

>>102705353 (OP)
Phase is just too small and irrelevant for someone like her. Since hololive rejected her, the best option for her now is to come back to Ninisanji. Anything else aside from those 2 is literally who tier

>doesnt get her way in niji because a fairy wing on her 3d is scuffed and they told her "no" on a project
>pitches ridiculous demands to vhojo wanting them to give her her own idol group, give her connections for concerts and connections for a record deal
i am sure cover is eager to sign this diva

It would take a special person to say "you know what? Fuck the Dodgers and Jankees, I'm signing with the smaller team and I am gonna try to win there."
the only big vtuber who I think is crazy/bold enough to make a move like that and say fuck it I am joining Phase is Filian.

>>102707773
Both can be true.
Not even trying just because you don't want to get your ego hurt from a rejection notice is also a form of arrogance.

>>102708322
In what world was Vshojo either the dongers or the jankees? Like it had THE big name reaction vtuber, but everyone else in it was pretty much just an average twitch streamer and the company still hadn't done anything big since Kson's idol concert. I'm really confused over how mint thought VShojo was the better option for ambitious concert goals.

>>102708322
she is a journeyman glory hunter just look at her career
>2020-2021 as Mint (indie)
>2021-2023 as Pomu (NIJI)
>2024 as Mint (indie)
>2024-2025 as Mint (VShojo)
>2025 as Mint (indie)
5 stops in 5 years.
pick a path and stay on it

>>102708698
if Hololive are the Dodgers, then who are the Yankees? Answer this with 2024 eyes and ignoring what you know now. even if they are not the exact Yankees, point is they were big market and dominated their league (twitch)

in all fairness. Now that Vshojo is out of the picture....

There's still a chance Mint will end up joining Phase. OR she might get so sick and tired of corpos that she will finally truely be indie.

>>102708603
It's also days of unpaid effort that you could be using to do something more productive.

>>102708831
Mint is now hoping and praying the ex Holos form a group and she gets a spot in it. That feels like her end game.

>>102708711
this would be reason enough for phase to be weary of her. one of their claims to fame is that they have girls that buy in and want to stay. mint is always looking for something else never stays in a spot for too long

>>102705742
I dont blame Mint badly for skipping on Phase. She has done the grind before and for what was a couple of years Vshojo had the appearance of a lucrative business model and had a good history of setting up things. She is unlucky as fuck though.

>>102708831
Mint's next bet is EN5. You heard it here fifth.

>>102708922
Are and if the EN ex-holos organized or motivated enough to start their own group
Not all of them can be like Chloe

>>102708922
>>102709067
Nimi blew the "ex-Holos form a group" idea to pieces with her announcement. Nobody in their right mind would tie their career to hers right now.

>>102708825
Still not Vshojo. They had laughable fake auditions and only hired 4views.

>>102709067
I don't think it'd happen. Nimi has been going full steam engine with pushing activity since debut, but in the latest revelations it seems more like a last hurrah to me or something. I'd be very surprised if she could keep investing so much time into vtubing projects while being married.
Dooby could make stuff happen but despite often taking up organization roles, she's a fucking introverted sperg who hates collabs.

I think the indie avengers were basically a lot of smoke but no fire. I'll gladly get proven wrong though.

>>102709187
>only signs 4view free agents instead of developing their own talents
sounds exactly like the yankees to me

>all the retards in this thread
God damn /vt/ is full of morons. It's pretty simple; she cares way too much about idol shit and Phase isn't known for idol shit. By the time she was getting back into Vtubing as Mint they hadn't had a concert and it really didn't help that Phase has someone like Pippa who loves shitting on idols and thinks nearly everything that isn't just streaming with a mask is cringe. She got a guest appearance anyway because she loves doing idol shit.
>but V-
Yeah which is why she signed specifically as part of an idol gen.

>>102709018
true plus phase was in a different spot now than they were when she signed with vshojo.
her friend in phase this time last year was extremely discouraged and not having main stage opportunities after 4 years. then next thing you know she is an idol doing stuff all over the place.

>>102708711
holo gave affiliate to dooby
phase gave affiliate to kana
mint took affiliate from vshojo and then revoked it
Indie breaking new ground as always

>>102708711
She would have stayed on the Vshojo path had the company not gone up in flames.

>>102709234
Honestly the discussions for long term vtubing has never been a topic properly theory crafted and researched. You can look towards JP to spot future trends and styles of entertainment.
Girls who expose themselves with a significant other rightfully lose the parasocial revenue but if they are entertaining enough personality wise there is no harm continuing to watch them. Like I said and have to repeat. You arent imagining/ delusionally attracted to them you just enjoy their style of content and delivery more than other girls out there.
This kind of growth can be seen in the JP scene and for some retarded reason the EN scene regressed cause everyone was clearly aware of it before then became stupid.

>>102705353 (OP)
Mint craves to be put in her place by big, strong corpos
Sakana's pathetic attempts to curry her favor only served to disgust her

>>102705353 (OP)
At her size Mint is unironically pretty good as an indie, maybe just needs a little agency representation for background stuff.

>>102706903
The only vtuber that Phase truly needs is Pippa

>>102709367
VShojo was always going up in flames and she lacked the common sense to realize. when something is too good to be true, it is.
Literally ITT there is a timestamp of Matara last year with Mint on call saying "lol Vshojo ash looked into it, and we can't afford idol concerts it's not happening." Mint chose not to listen to that

>>102709494
May we introduce the invaders initiative

>>102708322
Small teams only become large teams because of large players, it’s worth pointing out

>>102709289
You know what? Fair.

>>102709536
No the best advice we can give is she should start playing LoL and find a cute manager.

>>102709590
A better way to put it is small teams only win when they DEVELOP their own players. Phase has developed all of their featured players.

>>102709590
Hololive literally built through the draft and never brought in any big name free agents.

>>102709299
>Pippa shitting on idols
Do your fucking reps vshojo shill.

>>102709638
That's not as true as it once was. All of their home grown talent now sits in the shadow of their latest free agent class.

>>102709648
UH

>>102709648
There weren’t big name free agents back when they started, thoughbeit. And even then that’s not entirely true. Recall if you will that the company’s founding unit was just a group of existing talents

Has there ever been a new Holo that previously collabed with other Holos via a PL? Luna? I just don't see it happening. It would be bold of Holo to do so.

>>102709689
who, phase? nah.

How big was the covid buff for these agencies. I wasn't around at the peak growth time and working all the way through it.

>>102709689
Not exactly. Rising tide lifts all ships and whatnot. A numbers boost from new people benefits the existing people too, and the new invaders’ audiences mesh will win the existing talents

>>102705353 (OP)
She joined VShojo specifically with the pitch of forming an idol group gen, which is something that Phase simply did not have the resources to pull off given that they had the new wave of Invaders debuting soon at that time plus gen 4 was already in the works. I don't doubt the topic came up during the multiple times she met up with fishman (in which fishman I'm 100% sure he pitched joining Quest to her) and I understand Mint's position in that her idea was not to join another corpo as a part of a "normal" gen, she could already do that as an indie, but that she wanted specifically to do an idol group. Turns out that VShojo also did not have the resources for that but that's another story.

>>102709532
>VShojo was always going up in flames and she lacked the common sense to realize. when something is too good to be true, it is.
This is true for virtually every company. Just watch, the next time a vtuber company goes up in flames, everyone will be posting about how it was obvious, how the signs were always there, etc. Everyone speaks in hindsight.
>Literally ITT there is a timestamp of Matara last year with Mint on call saying "lol Vshojo ash looked into it, and we can't afford idol concerts it's not happening." Mint chose not to listen to that
Who's to say she even expected them to do idol concerts? She's been doing some all along completely unconnected to Vshojo. What she was looking for the most was to have a group with a management structure, and to have a connection to a JP idol company (Dearstage via VshojoJP's direct connection).

>>102709763
Their top 3 talents at the moment are Clio Aite, marimari_en and Eepy Sleepy.

Considering mint is the grim reaper meme. I hope she joins phase so they crash and burn within a year.

>>102709788
All I'm saying is if I need to score some runs then I'm playing Clio and not Pippa.

>>102709824
Now remove the bots.

>>102709689
>home grown
>home grown
>home grown
>home grown
>got in a trade when she was still in double a
when it comes to the major events and the biggest things on a company calendar, it is their homegrown talents that sakana is putting in his starting lineup

>>102709824
Sounds like good acquisitions then
Next up: Dokibird, Minto, and Filian

>>102707385
Why invest into 3D or idolshit when you can just make some fake slop with your model doing an MMD-motion and vshojosubhumans will slurp it up either thinking it's a real performance or not giving a shit that it's fake

I'm actually serious too, idol performances would have never been worth it with such a shitty normalfag fanbase. Their real mistake was trying to make money through merch, which is inherently something for which you need paypigs... Not fucking twitchtards normies. That's WHY all these corps are trying to copy Hololive's idol trend. It'd not because of the actual concerts but because of the merch profits that a community of paypigs creates.

But I don't think you can convert vshojotards into paypigs like that unless it's like a years-long brainwashing process.. What they should have done was find a way to make more profit through their generic streams

>>102705353 (OP)
because they were not going to do idol shit for her you ignoramus faggot

>>102709833
Phase has ancient Chinese beasts protecting it or some kind of ritual forming a barrier that saves it.

>>102709879
>when it comes to the major events and the biggest things on a company calendar, it is their homegrown talents that sakana is putting in his starting lineup
Likely because the newbies don’t want to do that and phase allows them to say no to many things. Mari might change that soon though

Mintbeggars acting like Cover needs Mint as a Holomem is still the funniest shit

>>102709824
>Eepy Sleepy.

Her debut buff fell off fast. She is mid-tier in the company now.

>>102709787
Gura's crazy rise wasn't enough proof for that
Her first karaoke had 100K viewers
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkrFxyqvYWI&pp=ygULZ3VyYSBncm93dGg%3D

>>102709940
my prediction is that Mari will leave Phase when her contract is up. She doesnt feel into it. Not like Clio and Eepy do. Clio is ride or die.

I imagine the actual reason is she wants to own her IP, which Phase doesn't allow but Vshojo did

>>102709664
>r-r-reps! waaaah!
Just because she participated in a concert doesn't mean anything when she's still acting the same way. Thanks for making this so easy. Concession accepted.

>>102709991 (Me)
>Gura's crazy rise wasn't enough proof for that
Forgot a question mark at the end there

Oh I get it, like mint at videogames.

>>102709996
Are you dead certain of this? Do you know her reasons for joining?

>>102709996
My prediction is that marimari_en is going to start becoming the face of Phase more and more. And it'll have the effect of forcing girls like Pippa, Lumi, Shiina and Jelly to shape up or ship out.

Phase is probably going to be bleeding some talent in the future but I doubt it's the new girls.

>>102706740
that's why other corpos sell merch when they do it

>>102709996
she definitely has back up plans but why would she leave now that her work load is smaller?

>>102710015
Phase has invaders where you can come in with your IP

>>102710051
she joined because she wanted to get priority with artists and editors and stuff. her heart doesnt feel into it is all I am saying something feels off with her. she doesn't really gel with the group.

>>102710015
The only invader who sold off her IP to the fish is Yuri. All the others have hinted that they still own theirs.

>>102710087
There’s nuance to it. As of late, they’re doing this thing where you keep your IP, but you do a rebrand with a new model, all of which phase owns. So Clio could leave, but she’d lose that model and branding

>>102709922
They will face a biblical yab the likes of which the world has never seen.
But seriously Sakana getting arrested for being a chinese agent by orange man goons would be hilarious.

>>102710179
That only happens in the future where America successfully invades Canada.

I will say that it’s nice to have a thread that mentions phase that isn’t entirely dedicated to shitting on them. Thank you for that, guys

>>102710151
Vtubers have never lied about everything being sunshine and rainbows

>>102710051
>>102709996
Marimari joined in order to reduce her workload and get more access for stuff like merch and reputable artists. She already talked about this before. Being indie was becoming too much work and stress for her.

>>102710157
As long as you keep the name and can use the old model or a new different one, I don't see it as a loss. The phase model was probably paid for by phase anyways

>>102709757
None. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise will never be able to bring up an example.
The closest thing is probably Raora who drew Holo fanarts that got picked for stream thumbnails before, but that's it.

>>102710080
>the face
she could become a face of phase one day who knows. they have about 5 or 6 talents that have a claim.
there is no one "the" face of phase. if there was a "the" face, it would be sakana.

>>102710080
Who even watches mari? Clio is the new face of Phase

>>102707222
Then you don't deserve Mint or Henya

>>102710280
Which is actually a really good thing. The less reliant on a single talent a group is, the better
>>102710284
ME

>>102709648
>>102709710
Dokibird was the biggest indie before nijisanji :^)
according to her

>>102710357
Thank fuck. Henya fell hard from her PL and Mint is a shameless sellout for anyone who offers her a 3d concert.

>>102705353 (OP)

Mint's original sin was joining NijisanjiEN after getting rejected by Hololive.
>Both Biboo and Ceci applied for early Hololive
>also failed because, just like Mint back then, they had little streaming experience.
>Went to work on their indie careers with some small success.
>Kept applying, and eventually got in.

Hiring Mint is just too much baggage for Cover now. She's too well-known and would debut with insane expectations
hell, it's still standard procedure at Hololive that you only get 3D after one year. Could Mint wait that long again? Could her fans?

>>102710016
>Browntoid who doesn't actually know anything about pippa trying a reddit tier response
Go back retard.

>>102705353 (OP)
>I am better
>I deserve more
>ME ME ME ME

>>102710540
No matter how it ended, being Pomu was a good thing for her. It got her fans and helped her stand out in a space that was really suited to her entertainment style. Hololive might not have worked out the same, but at the same time having a different fanbase than the current wisps would probably be a good thing.

>>102710540
I feel like spending a year as a rookie in HoloEN would be really good for Mint. And the payoff of getting to be in HoloFes and the EN concert would be worth it for her.

I think the biggest problem would be finding suitable genmates for her more than anything else.

>>102710540
I mean, considered she signed to Vshojo a year ago and waited for a debut that never ended up coming, yeah she could wait. But Hololive would never happen for her anyway, being ex-Niji and all (and before you mention Luna, it's not going to happen again, the two companies have learned their lessons)

>>102708922
ex holo try to be idol? what is this cope?

>>102710674
>I feel like spending a year as a rookie in HoloEN would be really good for Mint. And the payoff of getting to be in HoloFes and the EN concert would be worth it for her.
You're talking about things that would benefit her
Not things that would benefit Cover

>>102710552
>w-w-watch streams! b-b-brown! r-r-reddit!
Nah, you're not getting your concession back. You already exposed yourself as a retard. Thanks for making this so easy.

>>102710694
>But Hololive would never happen for her anyway, being ex-Niji
That's why I said
>Original sin

>>102710705
Hiring Mint isn't a big win for Cover over hiring some unknown talent but if she's the best applicant for the job, they've got nothing to lose from hiring her.

I don't think they're going to specifically hire her, she'd have to get in through the same application process as anybody else.

>>102709412
you know why JP get an image that they full of parasocial freak? cause EN projecting themselve, they have always been worse than JP

>>102710694
>the two companies have learned their lessons

What lesson was Hololive supposed to learn from hiring Luna that would make them not want to do it again in the future?

>>102710699
how Mint likely is playing the scenario out in her head
>Saba, Nimi, Dooby, Mumie, Doki and her make a super group
>they all just want to do flavor of the month shit and their own interests
>then Mint says "hey guys wow what an opportunity people want to give us 3d concerts! what do you say isnt that great?!"
>they go "uhhhh ok i guess man idk"
>then Mint goes tryhard mode while the other 5 mail it in because they doent care about any of this
>they will be miserable so Mint can get what she wants
ez pz

>>102710751
LOL, this girl would be considered too talentless if she only managed to get in after 2023. They’d look at her CV and see she can't sing, doesn't speak multiple languages, and has low numbers.

>>102705353 (OP)
Another moron who never watches Mint.

She wants to be MINT not someone else again. She doesn't want to give up her model and start over again.

is everyone just choosing to forget how the concert itself was difficult to watch for at least 25% of it?
Wait, I forgot that none of you actually support your oshis, you just shitpost here all day

>>102710540
Between her rabid fans, her association to doki (by extension drama seeking fagoons), her propensity to meltdown every month, close ties to drama magnets, and tendency to attend irl events she's just too much a liability and would never pass the vibe check. There's just too much baggage.

>>102710637
None of this is true. It got her glfans that you yourself admit aren't exactly the greatest. It helped her stand out in a space that wasn't her own and she was forcing herself to fit in. Hololive would've been her true calling but she was too impatient to see it.

>>102710815
JP fans still throw shit at each other about it to this day. Why hire someone who is going to cause issues for your fans?

>>102710775
>they've got nothing to lose from hiring her.
They would get thermselves a lot of extra work to do.
Just as they got extra work to do after deciding to hire former idols for FlowGlow. Look at the backlash.

And what can she offer?
I'm gonna say it: Mint is not that special anymore.
Cover of all corpo know that you don't need to hire idoi otaku to create amazing vritual idols.

>>102710944
There aren't any NijiEN fans to worry about.

>>102705986
>pomniggers talking about harassment
Pottery

>>102705353 (OP)
Vshojo was clearly going out of their way to poach ex nijis

>>102710832
yea i can already imagine nimi would use excuse like having a date to escape those dance leason through zoom or discord idk

>>102710967
>Just as they got extra work to do after deciding to hire former idols for FlowGlow. Look at the backlash.

Huh?

>>102711020
They were trying to poach everybody, dog. It just didn't work with Hololive.

>>102710891
start over? she would start at half the race while driving a freaking lamborghini

>>102710276
Raora’s pl also collabed with Ollie from what is worth

>>102710937
>tendency to attend irl events
mf really don't know about kiara

>>102710537
Panko cute, I hope Mint sees this

>>102711147
Kiara Mint Lia Panko collab when

>>102710815
IMO the main lesson was that:
It's not that big of a deal to get an exNiji.
Luna is not exactly a huge success. She simply holds a special niche within Hololive.

>>102711212
It’s possible and that’s awesome

>>102711212
it unironically could happen once con season dies down and people arent as busy

>>102708711
And all that time she released jackshit for idol dances and idol songs.

>>102711051
Hololive is known for their idol business but what fans truly love is how unhinged their idols are during normal streams.
Also the idea that Hololive turned unknown otaku/gamer girls into idols.
Many fans believed that hiring actual idols went against the very basic idea of Hololive.
There was much seething. There still is.

if mint want to swallow her pride a little bit she could probably do well as indie
build her reputation and connection with music producers, be a concert guest in oshispark/phase/etc
who knows maybe brave will scout her

>>102711374
That’s a bit strange. As if idols can’t also be unhinged on stream? This seems silly.

>>102707773
>she believes that she will never be good enough for Hololive.
shes not wrong there

>>102710937
>tendency to attend irl events
that is not an issue for hololive

>>102711434
Oh FlowGlow is extremely unhinged and perverted.
But we're talking about outisde perception here.
When "the idol journey" is practically your slogan, the optics of hiring actual idols is simply not good.

>>102711374
Streaming doesn’t make money anymore. They’ve already said the focus is shifting away from streaming toward others. If they had only focused on streaming, there wouldn’t have been a massive meltdown that led to those ex-HoloEN members leaving the company.

>>102710891
>start over again
starting over again in Hololive isn't really starting over

>>102709991
guras clearly an outlier that would've been popular regardless of that
Use kiara or ame instead as examples

>>102711020
Infiltrate, poach, erode and harass. Never forget.

>>102711543
Oh stop falling for rrats that were probably spreaded by paid schizos.

>They’ve already said the focus is shifting away from streaming toward others.
Just like all corpos, their PROFIT CENTER moved from majority streaming revenue to majority merch revenue. That's all.
Everyone knows yuo need streams to build a fanbase. Look at DEV_IS. They stream a fucking ton.

>there wouldn’t have been a massive meltdown that led to those ex-HoloEN members leaving the company.
We know now that many of those left for various, different reasons.
When Fauna refuses to travel to Japan twice a year for 3D recording because she's becoming a wife, can you really blame Cover for parting way with her?
And Gura's case is more similar to Ame than not: She hates games and song perms, which is a thing that will never change in Hololive, no matter which direction the company plan to take.

>>102711543
if any of the girl that left stream more than biboo and keala than you will have a point

>>102711808
>They stream a fucking ton.
Not really. All of regloss has cut down on streams. I expect flowglow to do the same when they get more opportunities/3D

>>102711575
>guras clearly an outlier that would've been popular regardless of that
COVID acts as a multiplier.
Gura could have been popular but no way as fast as she did. She eclipsed all of HoloJP

>>102711130
>>102711490
There's a big difference between dealing with someone you already hired and looking at a new hire and deciding if you want to deal with them.
Also feel free to address any of the points.

>>102707162
3rd times a charm you know

>>102705353 (OP)
Back then, if you had a choice between Phase and VShojo, almost every talent would have chosen the latter. And Mint had that choice.
She (and most people, to be honest) didn't expect this to happen.

>>102705353 (OP)
Clearly Mint was going to join Phase but decided against it because of all the whiny femanons on /vt/ who shit on Phase constantly. I see no other reason.

>>102711908
That has always been the case
You get 3D after one year, and then you start to get more jobs, both inside and outside.
That has never changed. Nobody comes to work at Hololive if they just want to stream games. You don't need a "new direction" for that

>>102711808
It's not really much of a rrrat when many fanbases are feeling the effects of their oshi streaming less. DEV_IS is able to stream as much as they are at the moment because they're still new and need to establish their personal brand. Once the personal chuuba brand is out there, they will get pulled into projects that are designed to put their face on it. I see more of my oshis on dang advertisements than I do on streams, and the streams I do get are the same stuff everyone else in the company is allowed to stream.

>>102711916
yeah just as thee whole of jp also got boosted up massively by having a new en branch with fans wanting to sub to all of them and them also benefiting from covid
If no covid, she'd still eclipse them, even if just because jps wouldn't have grown whatsoever
This cope of thinking that covid boost only benefitted en, and that jp didnt get a boost in subs due to en, and particularly due to en being popular is retarded
Again just pick your examples better if you want to showcase covid boost

>>102712000
>Once the personal chuuba brand is out there, they will get pulled into projects that are designed to put their face on it.
See >>102711999
That's not a new thing. And like Subaru said, it's entirely up to each Holo how many jobs they take on. She herself has so much free time that she can study for a boat license.
Suisei said something similar: If you don't want your oshi to record all the time, tell them yourself. Good luck though, because nothing will change the fact that
>Kronii loves to do voice packs
>FWMC fucking love to join 3D lives as guests
>Nerissa is obviously more interested in making music than streaming from the start.

>>102705986
Rent. Fucking. Free. Goddamn, phase is such a scarey boogeyman for these people despite being run by a CEO that would rather build box forts than hold meetings.

>>102706801
Given the recent shilling being exposed. Probably done by paid vshojo shills.

>>102711981
Mint went with phase because the fish threw money and favors at her to get her to be part of their first 3D concert and she took it because she was freshly back on the indie scene again, didn't have any good 3D assets other than that shitty chibi model, and it was the only way she was going to be able to do something like that again anytime soon. Once she got an offer to basically be part of an idol gen at a bigger company she immediately jumped on it. She never intended to join phase, she only hung around for that one concert because the concert was all she was interested in.

It's not hard to figure out.

>>102712130
>Again just pick your examples better if you want to showcase covid boost
NTA but why are we even debating this shit in 2025?

>>102712000
ichimin or hoshiyomi?

>>102706740
>vshojo couldn't afford 3d concerts and went bankrupt
>phase has done two and is profitable.
Pathetic

>>102712217
>phase has done 2
4

>>102712189
yeah i agree
Since saba blew the 1m record again in 2025 (even faster than during covid) its retarded cope to attribute her growth to covid in 2020 too
I think people are going to be jealous of gura for more than a decade at this rate

>>102712000
>they will get pulled into projects that are designed to put their face on it.
Your oshi WANTS to be in those projects.
Hololive provides opportunities, simple as that.
Your oshi can be a stream monster like Biboo/Koyori, or a laid-back one like Choco. But if she doesn't want to be, tough luck.

>>102712217
Not all concerts are the same. Mint probably wants the kind of sololives/gen lives put out by hololive. Those are expensive as hell and you really need good connections to set it up

>>102712195
Not me personally, but I have a buddy who is both. What a way to go.
Zain though. I can't go back to the Repo mines anymore man. My seat as an elfriend, watamate, and miofam ain't doing so great either. Drip fed streams and no new games or content. It just seems like it's all a means for advertisements and sponsorships now. The magic's gone.

>>102712426
Phase concerts are the same kind of concerts hololive puts out. They are produced in full motion capture in Tokyo. Phase uses SPWN.

>>102712311
That’s not a fair assessment though. She’s gotten 1.25 million and has stagnated there. But that 1.25 million is almost entirely made up of her existing audience. As Gura, she had to build up from scratch. The raw numbers and timeframe don’t tell the whole story, because she didn’t start from square 1 this time. I’m not trying to pretend she doesn’t deserve those numbers, because a transferred audience is still an audience, but let’s not pretend that the 2025 and 2020 climbs are the same.

>>102712458
Doesn't watame stream alot?

>>102705353 (OP)
Mint is bigger than the entirety of phase put together. What could they possibly offer that would be worth putting up with their insufferable fanbase?

>>102712555
Past few weeks have been a little sparce, and there was the 7 days to die thing, but I'm a little burnt out on that kinda content. She definitely streams the most outta my oshis, but I might have just changed. I don't get excited for them anymore.

>>102712693
an idol group that will do idol concerts at multiple cons

>>102712719
What kind of streams do you want? Minecraft?

>>102712537
so youre saying that her blowing up to 1m and past all her jps was totally fair and due to her ability no? since those are all her fans
In fact considering how big she was then she actually lost a bunch of people since her peak at 3-4 months in and despite that she still has 1 mil loyal followers
Like I said, basically covid effect on her was negligible which is why shes a bad case to look at

>>102712693
I'd take any phase fanbase over wisps any day.

>>102712783
This is bait

>>102712750
She's done more concerts on her own than phase had

>>102712769
Correct, what I’m clarifying is that it isn’t fair to say that the 1 million mark in 2025 was “gained” like it was in 2020. It was retained, and people keep phrasing it disingenuously as the former for their own purposes. I just want to make sure everyone’s on the same page

>>102712693
>Mint is bigger
>Still can't do the things she wants
>The smaller corpo accomplished what she aimed for in a shorter amount of time
Why can't Mint achieve her goals?

>>102712910
eh, everyone that debuts is an oldface at this point, or relies on oldfaces (in corpos)
What you are implying is a distinction without a difference

>>102712871
phase has gotten girls in 6 3d concerts in the last 12 months and there is more coming

>>102712984
i dont know why either, no one gives a shit about idol concerts outside of hololive and you can't really compare the quality of the performers or the production value of them
Waste of money, at least mint does it out of the love for the game, and not just for the hope that they'll make money out of it

>>102712871
and the only one that she did what had proper motion capture and wasn't glorified vr was with Phase kek. shame she wasn't ready for it and had to use a chibi.

>>102712939
Because Gunrun took the money and ran. Not her fault he did that.

>>102713081
She has not done a single vrchat concert. All of her 3D concerts have been recorded in proper 3d mocap studios.

>>102713094
But that is what he always did as it turns out. VShojo was never real. She should have known better. VShojo were literally always fools gold.

>>102713150
wasn't fantomethief live 3d? that is not proper hololive style which is big league style. i justed assumed it was and that was why the energy was low and the dancing was meh because there was no do overs and editing

>>102712501
>Phase uses SPWN
SPWN is just the streaming platform, dumbo.
What they meant is shit like
>Stages
>3D tracking that can handle heavy dancing (this itself wasn't a thing for Holo until a few years ago)
>Special effects
>Stage directors
>caemra direction

>>102713197
Live 3D done in a proper motion capture studio. They weren't in their homes with HTC vive trackers, they were in a studio, wearing mocap suits, with mocap cameras pointed at them.

>>102713197
They rented a local studio, apparently. Same for fantastic reality.
I wouldn't expect holo esque quality until they start using Doki's chinese studio more regularly.

>>102713232
yes

>>102712958
Idk, I have an issue with attributing things that she didn’t do to her when she has plenty of things to praise already. Like, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment by saying stuff like “she got 1 million subscribers in five days, she can’t be stopped!!” and then she stops because those million weren’t new. People need to keep their thoughts on this stuff in the realm of reality

>>102713336
... that's it?

>>102713263
but was there editing? camera direction? stage directors?
if there was, it looked bad because it had no professional polish

>>102713232
SPWN did Phase's last concert. They didn't stream it. They produced it.

>>102713339
everyones subs slow down after debut though? again its not some unique situation to her
She got 1m in 5 days and then 300k in 2 weeks after, thats very good
If she hits 2m 2 years after debut its sincerely amazing compared to everyone else

>>102713336
is that supposed to be impressive...?

This thread has a veyr strange dynamic
>Holo fags: No we don't want her. Go away
>Phase fags: Can't wait for her to come beg at our fish feet kek
>Mint fags: Yeeeeaaha but we want Hololive not Phase but also we want more control like Suisei
You retards don't aactually disagree with each other.
Mint should go to Phase and deal with Twitter calling her an alt-right

>>102713379
How do you edit things live, anon....
Regardless, Doki's rushed,unfinished ax concert blows Phase out of the water, showing how they're really not necessary if you know the right people.

>>102713463
More llike
>Mint fags on /vt/: Stop dreaming about being an idol. Just stream. no we don't care what you actually like.
>Mint fags on Twitter and reddit: YAGOOO PLEASE TAKE HER IN PLEEEAAASSEEEE

>>102713520
Kek, I agree.
She has the worst fans.

>>102713463
It's like you didn't actually read the thread and "summarized" it to your own narrative. Good job!

>>102713514
that is my point. hololive style is not live. they are professional concerts. even look at this one, >>102713336 multiple cameras, camera directions, pans and titls, stage, music video on the screen, crisp tracking and that is from the shanty town of Phase Cucknet

>>102713520
Phasefags projecting as always...
She's not Pippa, and her fans didn't harass her or any coworkers for the gall to do a concert. Her fans are known for flying everywhere to participate in wotagei, etc

>>102713336
>phasefaggots think this is impressive

>>102713567
If you put this thread into a summarizer AI, it'd outpiut the same shit that I typed.
Almsot everyone ITT agree that
>She will never be in Hololive
>Phase is her only option left for 3D concerts

>>102713379
That's not your original argument. You said it was not proper motion capture when it actually was. Now you're moving the goalposts to editing and camerawork. Those weren't done live, but if you watch Doki's post-concert video uploads, yes they did do those in post-production (which is what Holo and Phase do - they don't do it live, they pre-record and edit it before the concert) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEj-WEGnx58

>>102712984
>phase has gotten girls in 6 3d concerts in the last 12 months
Half of those must have been Nyana's, meaning Phase themselves had nothing to do with them and they were organized by a relatively small indie who happened to invite some Phase girls (on top of providing them with 3D models to use for it).

>>102713645
She doesn't care about that, though. She WANTS audience participation and the call and responses. Otherwise, what's the point of being on stage?

>>102713645
Anon, in actual real life concerts, everything is done live.

>>102713648
>She's not Pippa, and her fans didn't harass her or any coworkers for the gall to do a concert. Her fans are known for flying everywhere to participate in wotagei, etc
Nothing you said contradicted me.
Those fans you mentioned are the normie leddit fags above.
And the /mint/ general is right there for you to check. They despise Phase.

>>102713679
>Half of those must have been Nyana's
literally who? anyways, no:
>ANYC 2024
>Offkai 2024
>Offkai 2025
>AX Tubeout
>Vtuber Awards Concert
>Nikke Sponsorship
6.

>>102713717
>in actual real life concerts, everything is done live
You really don't know what you are talking about

>>102713648
>Her fans are known for flying everywhere to participate in wotagei, etc
What does that have to do with anything?

>>102713717
we are talking about vtuber idols, anon. keep up.

>>102713463
>but also we want more control like Suisei
This cracked me up every time

>>102713336
cute dancer

>>102705353 (OP)
because of phase beggars like you, op

>>102713648
And yet, despite that, she still wants to be even more of an idol vtuber than she is right now.
Hence the deal with Vshit.

>>102713336
Look at her go! That’s our teen idol sensation!

>Say Phase doesn't have the concerts Mint would want
>Phase concert is shown with the things Mint would want
>Um actually, that is not good enough because it's not Holo or Doki quality
I'm getting confused. So why can't Mint get Doki or Holo quality concerts if the lowly and inferior Phase can do it?

>>102713704
well then maybe she should try and be a real idol then and not a virtual idol, but virtual idol concerts like fantomethief are shit compared to how hololive does it. hololive is the standard, and mints concerts are well bellow that standard

>>102713751
In all of the real life concerts I've been to, the people on stage were actually there performing live

>>102708603
>Not even trying
she did try

>>102713439
the "SPWN don't produce 3D concerts" retard got real quiet

>>102713857
Mint was actively working on one with VshojoJP, and is actively trying to salvage it from the rubble of Vshojo's collapse.

>>102713663
You're full of shit: You know you're full of shit because most people on this thread isn't even discussing Mint's future prospects, but her past concert with Phase and why she joined VShojo. Which is exactly what AI summarized:
>Mint's decision to join VShojo over Phase Connect raises questions about her judgment, especially given Phase’s reputation for supporting talents and the treatment she received from them. Some suggest that Mint perceived VShojo's connection with Dearstage as beneficial, signing on before understanding Phase's commitment to idol concerts. Critics highlight her desire for attention, implying that her decisions are influenced by a certain cockiness and a wish to be part of something perceived as larger or more prestigious. Others assert that she viewed Phase as a lesser opportunity, indicating a diva mentality influenced by her previous association with Nijisanji.
>Discussions also touch on her exclusive contract with VShojo, speculating that commitments to debut projects kept her from considering available options. Additionally, some believe that Mint's choice was motivated by an avoidance of the "unhinged" image associated with Phase. A recurring theme is Mint's inclination toward certainty, as both she and her fans doubted Phase's viability until they began making notable advancements, highlighted by participation in significant conventions and events.
>Overall, opinions vary, with some defending Mint while others criticize her for not recognizing the potential of Phase Connect, suggesting that her aspirations led her to miscalculate her opportunities.

>>102712426
I know of a company that can put out those concerts kek

>>102713982
Stop using grok, Elon

>>102713995
Yeah, oshispark.
Oh wait, she's done multiple concerts with them already.

>>102713965
She won't be able to. She can't run a group by herself and be part of it, and she was searching for a corpo because she didn't want to start her own.

>>102714024
oshispark has never come close to putting out a professional level idol concert.
forget being on hololives level, they aren't even half way to phase's level.

>>102714024
If she's happy with vrchat dancing on anime conventions she doesn't need a corpo

>>102714004
That was ChatGPT, but whatever makes you happy.

>>102714154
The 3D concerts she's done were not in vrchat, they were in proper motion capture studios, with mocap suits & cameras.

>Mint got fucked over by one corpo
>Mint got fucked over by two corpos
>"Mint should join a third corpo!"
What causes such a basic pattern recognition failure?

>>102714211
This says more about her than the people on this thread considering she's going to do it again

>>102710940
>Hololive would've been her true calling
holocucks are truly the most insufferable fanbase

>>102710937
>would never pass the vibe check
the vibe check is a lie entirely made up by a catty bitch

>>102714197
The disconnect here is you are being willfully obtuse about how unprofessional those concerts look because they are live 3d.
You can cope like she coped that she prefers it that way rather than it being in an actual professional setting with all the presentation and bells and whistles, but she wants so badly to be in hololive so she can get that big league concert presentation every single time.
she has been settling for less quality and you are trying to flex that she hasn't. she might be able to have been tricked that these glorified vr concerts are professional 3d idol concerts, but i'm not and anybody with a pair of eyes isn't either.

>>102714266
>she tried to create an idol group in a corpo which hates idols and idol culture
good riddance

>>102713757
If you can't understand how the purpose of being on stage is to share the energy with a live audience, I can't help you. This right here is Mint's ideal.
>>102713731
We don't hate phase. We hate beggars.

>>102705353 (OP)
Big ego

>>102705353 (OP)
>phase
>idol content

>>102705353 (OP)
Probably because of Nina and Pikamee.

It's a shame since Mint in Phase would be kino. Maybe would suck a little for Mint's pocketbook since she's a bit too big for Phase, but good for her sanity.

>>102713336
this looks great to me what am i missing that is supposed to be bad? this is a small agency i assume they don't have anything close to the cover budget and dont have charity to steal from to fund it?

>>102714334
Mint hasn't wanted to be in Hololive since Myth's debut. She has terrible self-confidence issues and doesn't think she's good enough to join them. If she thought she was, she wouldn't be publicly interacting with the members, she would be keeping a low profile and sending in auditions until she got accepted.

>>102714399
>having to deal with phase's kiwifarms doxxfag fanbase
>"good for her sanity"
LOL
LMAO

>>102713336
someone post a DokiMint webm to compare

Too bad Vshojo died, the phase shills here would be malding even more.

>>102714568
>She has terrible self-confidence issues and doesn't think she's good enough to join them.
I liked Pomu and have enjoyed Mint but at some point the self esteem issues become too overbearing and annoying to deal with as a fan

why are the phase shills so overbearing here? She doesn't want to join your shitty org so just let her be

>>102714925
she likes it tho. she wants to be wanted.

>>102705353 (OP)
>tranny/blacked cucknect
Yeah, I wonder why

Reminder Mint's good friend Lia went off on Phasefags last year when they poach begged Mint. Said they brought a great deal of embarrassment to her and the company

>>102715181
Lia should shut the fuck up. She's embarrassing.

>>102715181
based

>>102705353 (OP)
>Mint joins Phase, skips the 3D queue and gets it immediately, other talents who have already been waiting literal years and are long overdue to receive their 3D would probably be pissed, leading to a lot of bad blood at best or talents leaving the company at worst
>Mint joins Phase, gets sent to the back of the 3D queue, has to wait at least another 2 or 3 years (probably longer) until the company finally gets around to her almost a fucking decade after she started her vtubing career
Great options!

>>102715366
who would have a problem with mint doing 3d? you need 100k subs to get 3d in phase. 5/7 of the 100k girls have 3d. shiina doesnt care about 3d, and himes is coming and she would be jumping out of her chair at the prospect of sharing a concert with someone like mint

>>102715485
>mint joins
>zooms past all of the existing talents
>fishman plasters her face all over as she's now their biggest talent
>other talent fanbases hate her for coming in and basically taking everything over
The girls themselves might welcome it, but the fans would not.

>>102715677
>other talents
>other talent fanbase
who?
mint is an oshi for like 60% of phase talents, and the fanbases know it and they also know the legend that is mint and her being in phase adds an enormous amount of credibility to the company. she is not just another vtuber and everybody in and around phase knows it. there is not a lot of ego in phase connect

>>102715485
Hime would be fucking pissed dude

>>102715845
there is some ego in Phase. Hime has a massive ego and I think would have a problem with it reminder she was upset that artists at Offkai didn't make more merch of her and instead made merch of other girls eventhough she has more subs than them. Same with Jelly. Pippa has ego, but she would welcome Mint coming in and taking pressure off of her.

>>102705353 (OP)
>Entire thread is just passive aggressively calling Mint a dumb bitch for not joining Phase Connect
Phase is a good corpo but goddamn they have the worst fans on this board.
Can you fuckers go 5 seconds without shitting on someone else unprompted?

>>102716245
can you go one thread without seething at Phase GODS?

>>102716245
I don't like Phase, can I call Mint a dumb bitch?

>>102713336
ehhh looks pretty jank.
I'll give SPAWN credit though the camera angles are really well done

>>102714610

>>102716824
I still don't think that's really her dancing.

>>102716824
>the people shitting on hololive and phase 3d think this is better
this board is too much sometimes

>>102715845
>Of course they should lay down the red carpet for minto-sama
Jesus wisps are fucking delusional

>>102717570
That isn't a wisp, that is a phasefag who wants Mint to join Phase.
Wisps don't want Mint to join Phase.

>>102716824
At least post one from mint, no amount of tech and money can make this fattass wiggling to children's songs look good

>>102717626
It's not about the dancing, it is about everything else. The stage, while has some charm. is bad. There is no pageantry. There is no production value. The lag and choppiness on the video screen is bad. It looks middle school production quality. That is what this entire discussion has been about. There are degrees of 3d concerts, and most of Mints have been unprofessional looking with no finish or polish. That's because they were live 3d vr with no money spent on editing and cameras and effects. So when wisps say Mint doesn't need a corpo for 3D because she has already done 3D, this is what they are talking about and it looks like a mess compared to hololive and others.

>>102705353 (OP)
She didn't think fishman could deliver on what she wanted. I dunno if she would even reconsider now, but on the other hand I doubt fishman would even consider her after she was already signed to vshitshow.

>>102705353 (OP)
She's just vain and a little shallow

>>102717894
fish isn't a bitch. business is business. If Mint said she wanted in and they agreed to terms, he would make a deal because it's business.

>>102716824
Yep, this girl should leave Niji even if she got no trouble, because with this terrible dancing, they wouldn't give her any slot on a real stage, lol.

>>102716824
This may be the most cringey and shitty 3D concert I've ever seen in my life. Never talk shit about Niji concerts again

>>102716824
It has a high cringe level

>>102717819
>So when wisps say Mint doesn't need a corpo for 3D because she has already done 3D
Coping is their favorite pastime apparently