Why did Mouse protect her

Why is there VSJ tallent slander post implosion?

>>102729396
Probably because some of them are very suspiscious, like Kson and changing versions of her side constantly.

>>102729332 (OP)
go cry in jail MTD

>>102729542
NTA but can you give examples? I haven't been paying much attention to her

>>102729332 (OP)
wow dannyboy is a viewbotter too

>>102729646
kson story went something like
>i didn't knew about the other girls problem but wanted to quit at the end of the month
>i knew about the problem and told the girls to lawyer up
>i didn't knew anything was wrong up until 2 weeks ago
she deleted a bunch of tweets after some people were pointing out the contradictions

>>102729646
When IronMouse blew the whistle, Kson started ranting about not being paid for months and was going the legal way for a long time. Then she deleted her tweet because her version was not aligning with what the others in Vshojo were saying. Then she made a version where she only knew about this 2 weeks ago.

>>102730474
dramakeks btfo

>>102730474
Let me guess, 99% of the people on Twitter or Reddit are not pointing that out.

>>102729332 (OP)
How do they go unpaid for almost a year and not suspect something. If they were getting paid the whole time then they were part of the inner circle deciding who gets paid

>>102730829
You get called an anti trying to shift blame if you do.

>>102730829
because it's made up
>>102730899
because the company pays once per quarter. unpaid for over a year in this case was 2 payment delays while management said "sorry we'll sort it out for next month."

>>102730970
You mean made up by Kson herself.

>>102730970
>because it's made up

>>102731184
>why weren't the incoming talents warned
they didn't know who the talents were. it was a secret from every vshojo member.

On one hand
>they weren't being paid that is awful
other hand
>they were paid so much they didn't fucking notice.

>>102730899
Part of the reason the talents dont get paid in a timely fashion is because they recieve a profit cut and not a flat commission fee, so the merch has to be shipped out and all fees paid before the company can fully determine what the profit is and how much the talent is actually getting paid. On top of that, Vshojo was embroiled in merch controversy in 2023 working with two fulfillment companies that failed back to back and that led to delayed shipments even further in for runs announced between mid and late 2023, meaning that a 6+ month delay between a merch run and that merch's payment are to be expected and a year or more would not be uncommon.

>>102731296
kson pointed this out in a video that mr SEA here didn't watch

>>102731258
Sure, sure. Let us forget that she deleted the part where she informed the talents and went the legal way for a very long time, sure.

>>102731258
Don't act like they debuted yesterday. They've been around since last year.

>>102731430
my friend, you are ESL. you are misinterpreting her words due to your poor understanding.
>>102731435
would you like me to link you geega and zen saying that they didn't know who they are, or would you like me to link you one of those talents saying the other girls didn't know about them? there's a lot of interesting info in streams you didn't watch.

>>102731296
okay but explain Nyanners and Veibae claiming not getting paid for years since they left. Kson's story is enough for hers but it really just sweeps under the rug the very apparent failings of the black company.

>>102729396
They can't sue them

>>102731540
Even if the words are misinterpreted, which is not, why did she had to delete her tweets?

>>102731540
>geega and zen saying that they didn't know who they are
Are you brain damaged or something? They could have been told about the issues after they debuted, but nobody told them anything. You ksoniggers will defend literally anything.

>>102731645
dramanigs were swarming her from proctor's cuck forum.
>>102731705
can you tell the class how one warns a person that they do not know?

>>102731705
>You ksoniggers will defend literally anything.
It's probably kson or her manager at this point. She has been on complete damage control mode ever since the beginning. I don't doubt she likely has a stock in the company and had an influence with the company's finances / direction making it so black. So much for being such a great figure in the community, big fall from grace.

>>102731798
kson and her manager are at a movie premiere right now. you know who isn't? mtd and apek. :)

>>102731772
>Proctor
That idiot can't do shit. There is no need to delete her tweets unless she knows she lied on something.

>>102731772
How do you not know someone after they have become known?

>>102731575
Im not saying vshojo did nothing wrong, im giving an excuse for why the vtubers inside wouldnt notice until its too late.

>>102731842
terminally online niggers will browse online even while out in public touching grass. See Sayu as an example of doing that on her vacation lol. It's not difficult to open up /vt/ on the phone.

>>102731898
fair enough but these ex-vshojo's are still suspicious regardless

>>102731851
can you very clearly type the alleged lie?
>>102731884
do you not understand that the new talents only made themselves known to the public 2 days ago by tweeting? they were already signed on by the time that kson found out who they were.
>>102731930
your time is up, freak

>>102729396
probably because of all the evil shit they did and are now pretending they had no involvement in

>>102732056
Do you not understand that they could have been told the org is shit after they debuted? Instead everyone, including kson, acted like everything is fine.

>>102732056
you're fighting shadows, bro, I'm an anon is who skeptical of this whole charade.

>>102732128
>Do you not understand that they could have been told the org is shit after they debuted?
Honestly, this might explain why Hime just gave up on the whole thing with not streaming. This 100% could've been a thing and I agree, if these 'people' cared then they would've given the newbies an off the record nudge about things. They just cared about their own income and let people walk into a burning building.

>>102732128
i do not understand that. i literally do not understand what you are mad about. i think you have a major misunderstanding about the timeline of events because your post doesn't make any logical sense.
>>102732155
what part are you sceptical about? i am unironically willing to help you, i have been binge watching vshojo drama for literally 3 days straight. if you have a misunderstanding, i can give you timestamps.

>>102732262
Yeah you literally do not understand anything. You're a kson fan after all.

>>102732301
can you help me to understand by explaining how you expect kson to warn people she doesn't know exist? are you suggesting she should have broken her NDA and risked a lawsuit?

all the behind scenes is sketchy as fuck i wouldnt be surprised if dirt about mouse or melody comes out to light

>>102732354
She already broke NDA with those deleted tweets if we go by your logic.

>>102732354
How doesn't kson know about the existence of new vshojo members that debuted?

>>102732433
so you think she should have publicly tweeted "vshojo bad" or something similar months ago?
>>102732497
which talents are you talking about? the last new talent to join vshojo was a while ago, during the era where they still had money and things seemed to be going ok.

If the COO is Mel's boyfriend and he's the one behind the shills. What if he just uses the shills to spin that Mel's innocent

supreme deflection from the op, bravo
I guess some the shills are on someone else's payroll now, I wonder who

>>102732615
i'm on yagoo's payroll.

>>102732552
>during the era where they still had money and things seemed to be going ok.
So these issues ONLY started after November 2024? That's not what kson said.

>>102732615
The ksonigger does this for free. If he wasn't seething all day every day on /vt/ he would have nothing else to do. This is basically his life.

>>102732262
You replied to the other anons. I'm skeptical about Mouse's timing, I'm skeptical about Kson's communications being a complete breakdown and stories changing with various deleted tweets. I'm skeptical with the tone of various statements. I'm skeptical with how perfectly coordinated Mouse's campaign is with all of the drama videos coming out all at once as well as her connections. I'm skeptical with how the entire vtuber community was forced to donate to the charity even though the responsibility was on IronMouse for having someone else do her finances and promising things, I do not care if people feel compassionate - IronMouse is a millionaire and she shouldn't have strong-armed the entire community to donate.

I'm skeptical about how Melody and Froot's statements were so mellow. I'm skeptical about the anons who defend VShojo because of Veibae. I'm skeptical about this entire whole fucking charade by everyone and it's very difficult for you to convince me WHY the tone and vibes all feel so off.

>>102732552
Your example doesn't work when, again by your logic, she already broke NDA because by her own admission she already warned them and publicly started ranting before Vshojo decided to close.

>>102732748
september* and yes she did say that. in sep they paid her for the previous year. after that she started asking gunrun for the following year, and he completely ghosted her.

>>102730474
Not being paid for months and not knowing about it until two weeks ago can both be true at the same time

Don't let the shills derail the fact that she's not innocent
https://x.com/Digitrevx/status/1948794533937897799
https://x.com/Digitrevx/status/1948799650850635961
https://x.com/Digitrevx/status/1948805810710311274

>>102732874
>september*
What are you asterisking here? Vshojo has new debuts in November 2024. She kept them in the dark about these issues and acted like everything is fine.

>>102729332 (OP)
Post the URL next time: https://x.com/Athena_Airis/status/1948635251099795750

And yes, it's already archived.

>>102732813 (me)
Also why in the literal fuck did kson have to crash out like that? It felt over the top, performative, and not genuine. Putting on a show for the public instead of you know, owning up to fucking over multiple people's dreams as she mentioned much later.

It all feels like a huge PR stunt to get away from someone punishing them instead of taking accountability for fucking up on a massive scale. And while she may not be directly responsible, she decided to associate herself with this black company. So I don't know, the skepticism of VShojo's members are warranted. Until someone in VShojo actually gets taken to court and we see the documents, I'm going to assume that people are trying to clean their hands instead of taking any genuine accountability.

People LOVE to make themselves look good online, especially content creators and influencers. Stealing from Charity has happened various times in many different spaces, I will not let this corrupted rot to get away in the vtuber space.

TL;DR - Kson and everyone in VShojo deserves this scrutiny.

>>102732813
>I'm skeptical about Kson's communications being a complete breakdown and stories changing with various deleted tweets
i watched kson, henya, kuro, mouse, geega, zen, vei, aethel, nyanners, tori, pia, beri and mint's videos and the story is the same in all of them. i'm not an eop though. you may just not know kson's whole situation because she mostly only told it in japanese. i'm guessing you're just filling in the gaps with wrong info.
>>102732941
the debuts who were chosen in november were not announced to the other vshojo talents. until 2 days ago. they said this themselves on their streams.

>>102733067
>Also why in the literal fuck did kson have to crash out like that? It felt over the top, performative, and not genuine. Putting on a show for the public instead of you know, owning up to fucking over multiple people's dreams as she mentioned much later.

She is Japanese, they are genetically programmed to always defend and protect their companies no matter what they do.

>>102733087
What the fuck are you even saying? They DEBUTED in November. There's been 8 whole months to tell them what's going on.

>>102733067
she and all her friends got robbed and she's mad. you should know that she cares about her friends more than anything else.
>>102733155
she's not defending or protecting them. you're just really stupid.

>>102733087
>the story is the same in all of them
Sure if you want do a general idea but what about all of the other testimonies of Vshojo experiences that contradict their stories? Camilla is one, Sayu is another one, Silvervale is another. I disagree with your point of view.

>i'm not an eop though. you may just not know kson's whole situation because she mostly only told it in japanese. i'm guessing you're just filling in the gaps with wrong info.
Did you even read the english translated version of her story said in JP...? You're so stupid and probably just baiting, bro.

>>102733212
i only have the broad strokes of the drama but who got robbed all the money? gunrun?

>>102733212
>she and all her friends got robbed and she's mad. you should know that she cares about her friends more than anything else.
Aren't they all millionaires? Sure it fucking sucks but again, the statements felt over the top, the timelines are all over the place, multiple contradictions have been pointed out. She can be emotional but also a piece of shit. She is a streamer influencer after all, that's part of her job - to influence.

who knew everyone involved would turn out to be a bad person

>>102729396
The situation going on at Vshojo does not sound right at all if you really stop and think about it. Yes Gunrun, MTD, and many other execs or high ranking staff members are easily guilty as fuck, but most of the older talents don't exactly come off as innocent either. Nobody responds to Mel's post implosion tweets at all, there's rumors about how her BF was the COO, and now she's suddenly going on a break during all of this? Or even jump to the 6 minute mark of this recent Matara stream and pay attention to some of the shit she says:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Qkqzx-xng
>Please be very kind with everyone involved.
>In the past few years, there were people that were led to situations...like ending their life. So please be extra mindful that behind a lot of actions are real folk...
>Give the situation a little bit of time. I don't know how much I want to talk about this because it's a little bit like "Pandora's Box". Once you start talking about it its hard to stop.

There's tons of clips about her talking some mad shit about her time at NijiEN and the company in general, you'd figure she'd be absolutely upset considering she was soft-fired and Mint was absolutely shafted hard - not only did she not make anything from her merch, but her dreams of an idol gen were crushed arguably harder than anything she dreamt of at NijiEN. But now all of a sudden Matara decides she's now above this "toxicity", now she suddenly doesn't want to talk about it? And this is still alleged, but no one wants to talk about how Vei, Nyanners and Silvervale all had terrible experiences by 2023, but Ironmouse was somehow given the royal treatment and had zero problems until about two weeks ago?

There's still people that I think are innocent. The people in ID, Michi and Kuro, I genuinely do not think they would be able to hide their involvement in anything shady, a bit of pressure and they'd just spill their hearts out. And the JPs seem completely unaware of all of the fuckery going on at the Californian HQ. But there's no way this is some binary "good talents vs evil executives" situation, it feels extremely sketchy.

>>102733393
A tale as old as time, VShojo defenders can't seem to understand that or willing to accept that. Like how Gunrun is deflecting in his original statement, so does the members. The environment reflects the personalities there. It might explain why the people who left have SOME integrity, some.

>>102733206
oh i thought you were talking about the idol gen and monster gen. things were still ok when nova debuted.
>>102733258
>but what about all of the other testimonies of Vshojo experiences that contradict their stories?
no idea what they said that contradicts what kson said.
>Did you even read the english translated version of her story said in JP...?
i didn't have to, i listened to it in the native language. if you're getting mad about a translation then lol. how do you not understand to default to the original language when there's an apparent contradiction?
>>102733271
kson, henya, michi, kuro, mint, ironmouse, the charity, nyan, vei, zen, bricky, etc.
>>102733355
the amount owed to them is significant even if they are already doing well financially. it's in the hundreds of thousands.

>>102733505
>things were still ok when nova debuted.
But they weren't.

remember when the internet shitted on the completionist for saying he didn't knew what was going with his charity money but apparently ironmouse can make a charity stream and than just stop caring that the money actually goes to the charity and everything is fine because woman can do no wrong

>>102733546
enlighten me, what did kson say about november? it wasn't in any of her streams discussing it. i want to know what you saw in your dream.

>>102733428
>And the JPs seem completely unaware of all of the fuckery going on at the Californian HQ.
I think they didn't get the general memo about how things should be run since they ended up debuting a gen of new people.

>>102733505
>no idea what they said that contradicts what kson said.
As a fucking "expert" who "binged the drama the past 3 days", you sure don't sound like a fucking dramakek expert. Don't act like you're an expert when you're as much as a spectator like the rest of us.

>i didn't have to, i listened to it in the native language. if you're getting mad about a translation then lol. how do you not understand to default to the original language when there's an apparent contradiction?
Oh cool, so you're a JP native speaker. You should give us YOUR English translation then lol. Also, you're just moving goal posts with deflecting the argument, it's disingenuous and you're baiting. Instead of fighting people, cooperate.

>the amount owed to them is significant even if they are already doing well financially. it's in the hundreds of thousands.
Oh? Where's that figure coming from? 100k+ seems like a lot. Also, just because it's a lot of money missing doesn't dismiss the timelines being weird or out of place.

>>102733603
The issues started in September, you fucking retard. YOU YOURSELF SAID IT >>102732874
It's hilarious how much your retarded posts resemble kson's

>>102733700
>It's hilarious how much your retarded posts resemble kson's
overconfident people love to believe they're super smart and can get away with things. I'm inclined to believe we're arguing with kson at this point.

didn't read
It's kson's fault because she made me mad 4 years ago

>>102733783
>It's kson's fault because she made me mad 4 years ago
Strawman argument, kys ragebaiter

>>102733738
Nah I'm pretty sure this is just that one guy that always comes into any thread where kson is mentioned by name.

>>102733803
Uh oh ksonkek melty

>>102733810
we do have schizos here but we also now know that some of them are paid shills sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm here enjoying arguing with these faggots and making their work life a living hell lmao

>>102733067
Kson essentially ruined her own life by leaving Hololive and has never really coped well with the precipitous and unexpected loss of her old fame. She has had huge public "crashout" episodes multiple times including when she joined Vshojo because the pain and confusion of it all boils over.
And now she looks (and feels) like an idiot rube because she joined and super-shilled a black scam corpo. She's trying to defend herself, both to the public and to her own self-image, but is scrambling because the truth is she's just a dummy who gave up an amazing career for basically nothing in the end.

>>102733700
dawg, i told you september was when she got paid. she said this in english. right at the start of the video.
https://youtu.be/cBxw80mZoWI?t=277
before that she thought they were lazy and they finally paid her and started catching up. hence why things seemed ok.

the issue is that right now, at the current date, july 2025, she hasn't been paid since september. this is an issue now because september was last year. this was not an issue in november last year because at that point september was 2 months ago. do you know how time works?

>>102733783
>It's kson's fault
Between her trying to poach Holo talents, and Zaion handing the list of NijiEN talents, yea

>>102733393
the state of en vtubing for awhile now

>>102733936
>do you know how time works?
Yes. Do you? She has had 8 months to tell the new talents that she's having issues with getting paid.

>>102733975
kson stole the money
kson threatened vei
kson committed embezzlement
kson stole my sock from the dryer

>>102732897
How fucking retarded are you to not realise you're not getting paid for months

>Thread about Melody fucking over the Vshojo girls
>Schizos talking about Kson
What the fuck is wrong with you people

>>102734068
Because someone mentioned kson by name and her rabid fan came in to defend her. This happens a lot.

>>102734068
MTD blamed Vei for his problems earlier, he's probably blaming kson now

>>102734031
her last paycheck was in september. vshojo paid quarterly. i explained how this slipped by until now earlier. to quote myself:
>>102730970
>because the company pays once per quarter. unpaid for over a year in this case was 2 payment delays while management said "sorry we'll sort it out for next month."

many talents individually had payment issues. they just didn't talk about it to each other. until recently, when they finally did. and that's when they all figured out that vshojo was having major financial issues and everyone filed to graduate.

>>102734152
Stop being a schizo. It's Kson's fault. She deserves to die.

>>102733682
>Where's that figure coming from? 100k+ seems like a lot.
i don't understand how you can accuse me of being uninformed and then ask a question like this. have you watched a single video about this?

>>102734152
Her next paycheck should have been in January. Why didn't she do anything when it didn't come?

>>102734241
>where's my money?
>whoops i forgot there's a lot on my plate i'll sort it out for next time

>>102733428
henya is one of the innocent ones right?
i like her Idc about the rest

>>102734300
It wasn't the first time it happened.

>>102734365
correct. it was normal for payments to get delayed, and they sorted it out eventually. she stated that her september payment was for a whole year. so she just got delayed 3 times in a row, then got paid, then got delayed one time, and you're saying she should have jumped ship right at that moment. it appeared to be business as usual.

>>102734468
>it was normal for payments to get delayed, and they sorted it out eventually.
So surely the moment it started happening again alarms would go off, especially after such a massive delay.

>>102734524
.....no? it was business as usual. they did that shit all the time for her entire vshojo career. it was not a red flag.

>>102734573
so why did she quit?
i mean its just business as usual and not a red flag.

>>102734573
>they did that shit all the time for her entire vshojo career
Are you sure about that? The heavy shilling for vshojo she's done looks really bad if it has always been like this.

>>102734064
look at this poorfag
i bet you check your balances at least weekly

>they did that shit all the time for her entire vshojo career.
cons: nothing
sure hope she didn't brought in some of her friends in this great company

>>102734630
good question. i actually answered this in this thread a few minutes ago. quoting myself again:
>>102734152
>many talents individually had payment issues. they just didn't talk about it to each other. until recently, when they finally did. and that's when they all figured out that vshojo was having major financial issues and everyone filed to graduate.
it's easy to see the problems now that we have the power of hindsight. if you're one person, your payment got delayed, but everyone at the company is still there working, it's not apparent that something is wrong.
>>102734667
i am sure about that.

>>102734859
How's it an issue even if all the other talents have the same experience? It's just how the company works after all :)

How much other talents' money was funneled into Mel's pocket?

>>102734356
I'm guessing, if only because I doubt the JPs really knew most of what EN was up to.

>>102734917
all of the talents thought they were having an individual payment issue and that everyone was being paid normally. until some finally got together and talked to each other about it, where they discovered that they were wrong and there is a big problem.

>>102734064
Yes she's too trusting and genuine with others especially business partners stop being ESL

>>102735069
But from kson's perspective it was normal. She could have just told them it's all normal.

>>102735145
from kson's point of view, normal was her payment being delayed, and everyone else getting paid. she did not thing everyone not getting paid was normal.

>>102735220
>normal was her payment being delayed, and everyone else getting paid.
How is that normal? If the company delays payments then it should be happening to everyone.

>>102735295
>"dayum why is my payment always late"
>"must be because it's an international bank transfer or taxes or some shit. i don no." *streams*

CONS: NONE MOTHERFUCKERS

>>102735375
>>"must be because it's an international bank transfer or taxes or some shit. i don no." *streams*
But she was asking vshojo what's up with the payments so she wasn't just guessing. Unless she specifically says they told her that was the reason then there's no reason to assume her own payments should be seeing delays while the other's don't.

>>102735504
she brought it up and they acknowledged it and made an excuse and said they'd fix it

>>102735644
Yeah but she knows it wasn't just some random thing that affects her specifically. When it happened again she should have been alarmed.

>>102735860
>she knows it wasn't just some random thing that affects her specifically
she did not. she thought it was just her. until very recently, as i explained several times.

>>102735905
>she did not
Yes she did. If the reason for the delay wasn't specifically something related to her then it would affect everyone equally.

>>102735965
you lost me

so when kson got pikamee and rushia on board she didn't tell them about the merchandise money problems?

>>102736314
rushia joined at the same time as kson. when pika joined the issues were not present. the company had money back then.

>>102729332 (OP)
Because embedmouse needed those botnets

>>102736123
Are you retarded? Even you earlier proposed this retarded scenario which didn't happen >>102735375
She talked to them and the problem clearly wasn't specific to her. If it was surely she wouldn't ask about delays again.

>>102736314
The only thing she knew about vshojo when she joined it with Rushia was that they wanted to strike back at hololive.

>>102736353
Pika joined after Vei, Silver, and Nyan left, and those 3 left because the company wasn't paying them.

>>102736479
>and those 3 left because the company wasn't paying them.
you are correct, but when they left they were also legally threatened to not tell anyone about it. then vshojo management lied to the other talents about why those three left. so kson did not know.

>>102736479
CONS: NONE

>>102736389
>Are you retarded?
no
>Even you earlier proposed this retarded scenario which didn't happen
yes that was a humorous example i made up. i was illustrating how one could become busy with their own work and not notice a payment missing from your bank account. kson discussed this in the onsen video but not with that specific example.
>the problem clearly wasn't specific to her
that was not clear until recently. she wasn't that other people were missing payments. the talents figured that out recently by talking to each other.

>>102736763
If the reason given for her payment delays wasn't "you're in japan so it's harder to pay in time" then the reason was obviously with the company, and when it happened again she should have been alarmed. I do not understand how you're still not understanding it.

>>102736859
perhaps they gave her some kind of excuse that made it seem specific to her. you're acting as if it's a binary choice bweteen the dumb example i made up or nothing and that's not how it works.

>>102734356
Yeah, I think Henya is innocent. She really just does her own thing. She doesn't get involved in drama. She doesn't do PR for Vshojo. She's the only one that ever questioned how management was even making money.

>>102729396
No one is that retarded, it makes more sense that they are accomplices than innocents.

>>102736961
>you're acting as if it's a binary choice bweteen the dumb example i made up or nothing
>or nothing
If she talked with them about the delays then she was given some kind of reason, and if it was specific to her then she wouldn't have asked about delays again.

>>102737077
the money was stolen from the talents you dipshit

>>102734356
Yes, but it was confirmed that she is mentally retarded.

>>102737118
Was it? They all kept their cuts while the company burned money to promote the group. Nobody said anything until one of them didn't like that charity money was also burned by the spending machine.

>>102737118
>dipshit
kys nigger redditor
>the money was stolen from the talents
And they didn't say anything until after the company exploded and they defended it until the last moment, which means two things: they are mentally retarded or they were accomplices in a Pyramid scheme.

>>102737197
??????????????????????????????????
????????????
????????????????
what the fuck do you think this whole vshojo thing is about?????????

>>102737272
What money was "stolen"? Who stole it and where is it now?

>>102737312
is this real life

>>102737321
Answer the question.

>>102737338
>What money was "stolen"?
merch and sponsorship payments for ironmouse, kson, henya, michi, kuro, mint, hotaru, etc...
>Who stole it
gunrun, apparently
>and where is it now?
there are legal procedings happening now to find that out

>>102737423
>there are legal procedings happening now to find that out
maybe someone should tell kson this so she stops yapping

>>102734152
Dude, you are trying to explain shit to people who are either retarded or don't argue in bad faith.
It's useless, you will just get mad that people are that retarded.

>>102737423
If this money has been missing for over a year then it's clearly already spent.

>>102737464
can't, she has talent freedom

>>102737526
probably, but some can possibly be un-spent by a judge.

>>102733428
>There's tons of clips about her talking some mad shit about her time at NijiEN and the company in general, you'd figure she'd be absolutely upset considering she was soft-fired and Mint was absolutely shafted hard - not only did she not make anything from her merch, but her dreams of an idol gen were crushed arguably harder than anything she dreamt of at NijiEN. But now all of a sudden Matara decides she's now above this "toxicity", now she suddenly doesn't want to talk about it? And this is still alleged, but no one wants to talk about how Vei, Nyanners and Silvervale all had terrible experiences by 2023, but Ironmouse was somehow given the royal treatment and had zero problems until about two weeks ago?
It has already been confirmed that the pink cockroach was ordered to speak ill of NijiEN.

>>102737609
Well they have at least 800k in Daniel's house. The others definitely live in similar properties.

>>102733428
>a bunch of people said nijisanji is bad, this is a conspiracy
sounds normal to me

>>102737728
It is already confirmed that it was like that and in fact it was a conspiracy.

>>102737985
acting normal isn't a conspiracy

>>102738014
Yes, but that has nothing to do with my comment or what we are arguing.

>>102733428
>rumors of her boyfriend being the COO
They aren't rumors, buddy. There's a lot of... "video evidence" they posted together from before she was a vtuber.
The right is a picture of the COO of vshojo and the man that "allegedly" embezzled $500k from charity. The left is, well... I'm sure you can guess where it's from.

>>102737111
nta
They were paid quarterly, so if Kson asked about payments, it was a maximum of twice.

>>102737526
yes, spent on Gunrun & his cronies "wages" while everything burned down around them

>>102738179
kek

>>102738179
It would help if anyone could just post one of these videos to prove they're a thing because everyone just keeps acting like this is fake because digi posted about this first.

>>102729332 (OP)
https://x.com/mcshakleford/status/1948903791530570073
Seriously, what's going on with Daniel?

>>102733428
>And this is still alleged, but no one wants to talk about how Vei, Nyanners and Silvervale all had terrible experiences by 2023, but Ironmouse was somehow given the royal treatment and had zero problems until about two weeks ago?
This is probably the one of the biggest things that causes me to ask some questions here.
These 3 who left went through terrible shit thanks to VShojo, and almost none of the talents who renewed their contracts that year really touched on it publicly at all even after it's been revealed. The only one who has that I can think of is Ironmouse (who I think we can assume is probably innocent).
It would be one thing if the 3 were silent about their abuse during their time at the company but Nyanners bf Aethel confirmed that Nyanners did in fact warn some of the girls in private to the best of her abilities at the time. And yet it seems like none of them did anything with that information. The only possible exception is Ironmouse who still kept in touch with Nyanners and her boyfriend even after the departure, and Ironmouse herself basically admitted that VShojo was feeding her lies about the talents who left in 2023 which clouded her judgement at the time.

>>102738338
>flood damage
>Fall 2024
Crazy that both he and Mel were dealing with water damage at the same time.

>>102738696
Ummmmm but I was told Mel lived in Vegas!

>>102733393
Ironically the people who have the best claim to be the least bad people/innocent in this whole thing are probably the 3 vshojos who left in 2023 (Veibae, Nyanners, and Silvervale).
Those 3 were getting constantly smeared and attacked by vshojo stans for leaving at the time lol

>>102738338
>on July 22, 2024, Claimant entered into a contract with an owner of the afore-described real property... , to perform water mitigation for the afore-described property
https://x.com/ProjektMelody/status/1815592529200394627

>>102738990
I would say the talents who are very likely innocent in this are
>Silvervale
>Nyanners
>Vei
>Ironmouse
>Everyone in JP branch (except maybe Kson but I'm still leaning towards her being innocent)
>Michi
>Kuro
>Geega
>Haruka
>Hime
>Froot (feels very weird to say this given how she's confirmed to be a shit person in other drama but so far nothing revealed implicates her and she's been on hiatus since likely before the charity drama started)

>>102730474
>livers

>>102739265
>Ironmouse
>hey guys I just never check my bank account
>even though I'm housebound and have 16 hours a day to fill
Lmao.

>>102739959
She was the one who brought this whole thing to light and is sided with all the other major innocent people. Her only crime is that she's extremely retarded.

>>102734064
I haven't checked my bank account in months and I have no idea how much money I have there.

>>102731236
>This ESL motherfucker still cant grasp what she said a day later
jfc

I've gotta be honest, I don't really buy the melody slander. At least, nothing has convinced me so far, it just seems like her one giga-schizo anti is stirring up shit and other shitposters are running with it.

>>102740159
>She was the one who brought this whole thing to light
>mouse gets to break the story and come off as the hero
>multiple vtubers donating 10k each to her charity
Nah, don't buy it. Face of the company gets to come out unscathed.

>>102740391
>This mountain of evidence that the coo's apartment is the same place mel was at the very least streaming from
>No I think I'll just ignore it
You really need better redirects apek.

>>102740392
I’m skeptical too. Another angle is Gunrun himself being so eager to admitting he’s the sole villain in all of this. Reality usually isn’t that simple. It reeks of a backroom deal.

>>102740391
It's pretty questionable. But at the same time she's also the only talent who has some sort of evidence here for being involved with this whole scheme, even if the evidence isn't proven so far.

>>102729332 (OP)
I don't hate Melody (I can't imagine anyone here having a reason to) but this whole thing has been so suspicious for the last few days if it turns out she's not one of the people fucking everyone over I will be surprised and maybe even a bit disappointed. Her
>wow I am apalled
>...
>I need to go now
exit with zero interaction with the rest of the girls minus retweeting Mouse making a fuckton of money for her IDF buddies just makes me want to know more. People who claim to be in the know and aren't worried about getting heat like N*x keep vagueposting about her too. I just don't know.

>>102740514
Gunrun is 100% being painted as the fall guy here. But it's more likely that it's other higher ups in VShojo using him as a shield like the COO, rather than any of the talents like Mouse.

>>102740477
i am more than willing to be proven wrong when actual evidence comes out, but the "evidence" so far is just flimsy, man. There's a contingent of posters on /vt/ that will take any opportunity to shit on whores, and this seems to me like they've just found a good opportunity to do that with melody.

>>102740714
>The fact the house flooded on the same day mel complained about the house flooding is flimsy.
Come on apek, this isn't middle school creative writing, put some effort in.

>>102740603
I think they're all guilty. Including some of the bigger talents. Once again, acting like not getting paid for a year is normal for them is too weird, and the "aww they're just sweet little girls who trusted management too much!" seems too convenient with the degree of money we're talking. I don't think holding out on a sinking ship and not warning others is some crime worthy of cancelation by any means, but I bet this applies to quite a few of these girls and the way they act like they didn't see it coming is just to give them more socially perceived justification for shifting the blame entirely on the CEO and other managers.

>>102740598
One other thing against Melody is that Nyanners unfollowed her after leaving VShojo, the only one she unfollowed I believe.
>People who claim to be in the know and aren't worried about getting heat like N*x keep vagueposting about her too. I just don't know.
N*x also confirmed in a video that at some point after Nyan left VShojo, he and Nyan talked in private about the swatting incident that happened in her sponsor since it turned out that the person that swatted her was the same person that tried to swat him and led to that whole situation with him and VShojo. And from the sounds of it he believes that the whole thing was caused by VShojo feeding misinformation to Nyan and the other girls about him.
https://youtu.be/7ew8LKDTOK4?t=309
It's very possible that after talking things out Nyan may have told him things about Mel that implicates her.

>>102734064
Are you dumb?
She knew pay wasn't getting paid.
What she didn't know what that she was NEVER going to get paid.

>>102740840
>I don't think holding out on a sinking ship and not warning others is some crime worthy of cancellation by any means
Can't confirm if any of the others did or not but Nyan did try to warn people in private around the time that she left, and she was one of the first to leave too.

>>102741021
So did silvervale irrc

>>102740920
The whole trio that left all are or were connected to some of the drama youtubers on the fleshtuber side who also claim to be in the know too

>>102729332 (OP)
you've never seen the evolution of a communist victory?
Stalin didn't execute his supporters during his campaign, but slowly after his victory.
the same with these girls.

only once they've established a strong vtubing community will the begin to, slowly and discretely, get rid of competition.
they did it to sinder (test run), now vshojo, and so on.

never trust women

>>102740920
>he believes that the whole thing was caused by VShojo feeding misinformation to Nyan and the other girls about him
Well, yeah. I thought people came to that conclusion a while ago. I remember being a big pink cat fag back in the day and everyone found Nux annoying because he'd show up and try to get them to do video ideas with him in the middle of their streams so when it came time to pick a side everyone in that old thread was going to pick the VShojo girls over him.
I won't pretend to know all the details but
>now that the dust has settled
it's pretty obvious that VShojo used him as a fall guy to save face especially when they did a quick 180 from thanking him to group canceling him. Really the only illuminating thing about Nyan talking to him after the swatting stuff is that over time pretty much every talent apologized to the guy after things settled down "except for one" which I always assumed was Nyan because she was getting pissed off in Discord rather than some public
>I am disappointed I called you a friend
type of tweet the others did. I'm reaching but it makes me wonder if that one he's talking about is instead Melody who was in the talks with Nux before the video dropped and people tried to censor things but it was obviously the only purple haired vtuber in the company behind the image blurring.
Kek this all sounds so boring typing it all out, but I've been watching all these vtubers for probably a year before VShojo even existed so maybe that info is worth something in the current situation.

>>102729332 (OP)
Am I supposed to find something negative in this text?

>>102741218
This 2view is basically using "viewbotting bad" as an excuse to point out there's a "prominent lewdtuber with a sketchy lawyer boyfriend who is now the COO of VShojo" which I guess will matter more if anyone else starts corroborating.

I see they're going into overdrive trying to defend mouse and vshojo

Why are there actual retards in the comments

>>102729396
It has always been a clique company from the very beginning, it is quite clear that the core members have a lot of shit to hide, right now I highly doubt retardmouse is actually sick.

>>102741278
Yeah but the post also points out that it's a former parter.

>>102741542
Maybe you mixed up the order but it only says "former IP lawyer." Anyway, time will tell if Athena's post means anything.

>>102741178
I thought it was Nyan too when Nux said someone didn't apologize to him but now given all the new information and the fact that it's confirmed that she did talk him it looks a lot more likely that it could be Melody instead. She's the only other one that would have had a reason to not want to apologize to him.

>>102741743
>Was her bf

>>102738179
It's literally him, look at that hair line, I don't know how anyone can deny it.

>>102741904
She's talking about the past so she will obviously be talking about what WAS back then as she does not know what IS currently.

>>102741904
I don't want to argue semantics on something that may not even be true but something being the case in the past doesn't mean it's not the case in the present, especially when Melody still has the guy as her
>manager

>>102738179
based receipt

>>102729332 (OP)
I don't know why the girls are shielding Melody with their wall of silence about her, giving people the assumption that Melody had nothing to do with it when she did. Everyone involved in running the scam known as Vshojo should go to jail and that includes Melody.

>>102738281
Just go to her simpcity thread. They have entire archives of her old videos.

>>102742712
Maybe she has dirt on them, who knows

>>102729332 (OP)
Daniel what? Another win for shondo

>>102730474
>livers
Yes this is definitely a person I can trust.

>>102729332 (OP)
I don't understand why all the retards are blaming talents for glazing the company and letting other vtubers enter. Kuro joined september 2023 and Michi april 2024. The company could have been perfectly fine before that, They stopped paying Kson september 2024.

>>102742712
If Melody is actually guilty then it would be best to let Mouse drop the bomb on her. Mouse is probably gonna take the longest to come out with her full story since she's probably gonna sue VShojo at this point.

>>102743066
>The company could have been perfectly fine before that
It actually wasn't though according to Nyanners, Vei, and Silvervale. There were tons of problems then too, including late payment.

>>102734215
That's because he hasn't. All the morons getting on Kson's case seem to be misinformed or filling in the blanks with half-truths. Kson did explain a lot of shit in Japanese so its just another case of EOPs misconstruing things they don't understand.

>>102736314
Judging by the statements made the company seemed to have been fine on the financial front for its first few years. Its only around last year that they seem to have entered the red. It was always a toxic shithole however if you take Vei's and Nyan's statements at face value, but Vshojo seems to have paid their bills on time till relatively recently.

>>102742740
Alright I found the video where that screenshot is from. I'm not going to watch it to see if she calls him by name or something. Is there any audio of apek speaking during his time in Vshojo? People will probably just deny the face match.

Interestingly some of the other videos have the posters seen in the photos from the apartment.

>>102743235

>>102743233
Both Nyan and Vei confirmed that they didn't paid on time during their time at VShojo. Vei even outright claimed that they didn't get paid for sponsors at the time between 2021-2023, and that she is STILL owed money to this day.
FWIW Kson replied to Vei's post stating that she was not aware of any of this.

>>102743146
I'm guessing separate contracts with some more favorable than others. Kson and Mouse were big names so they got better terms than, say, Vei and Silvervale. It's all backroom shit that we can only speculate on.
You are right though that management was probably a shitshow since nigh the beginning, but Vei's tweet makes me believe that this was not common knowledge among talents till recently. Otherwise the NDA they signed preventing them from speaking to other talents about these issues would be meaningless.

>>102743319
If this is Melody's house you guys might be going a little too deep with your investigating kek

>>102743376
>Kson and Mouse were big names so they got better terms than, say, Vei and Silvervale. It's all backroom shit that we can only speculate on.
Vei at the time was as popular as Mouse, so it doesn't make much sense financially for VShojo to provide her with a worse deal.
>but Vei's tweet makes me believe that this was not common knowledge among talents till recently. Otherwise the NDA they signed preventing them from speaking to other talents about these issues would be meaningless.
You are likely right here, that it wasn't common knowledge that this was a widespread problem for all of them until recently. They tried very hard to prevent the talents from communicating with each other on this stuff.

>>102743371
I'm guessing neither of them were close enough with Kson to break the NDA and disclose their problems to her. Might be the language barrier, might be ethics, might be simple mistrust. Either way, I don't think Kson is to blame for this, no matter how naive she's been.

>>102743388
She doesn't live there anymore. These photos are only a thing because the place was listed for sale after she said she's moving to Japan.
Considering the current situation she nor anyone else related, will be going back there because apek owns it and he's going to need to get money from somewhere.

>>102743477
Kson probably got different treatment by virtue of being JP but not not really VShojo's JP branch. Probably same for Henya.
Kind of on the subject but what I really don't get is how they were saying the JPs were the most profitable part of the company. I can only assume that's true because they came up with more traditional corpo contracts for them, giving them models and all of that so they could make their cut, but even then those talent have to be so much smaller than zen/henya/mouse who collectively would get probably almost 20Kccv between the three of them

>>102743477
Oh I agree with you that Kson likely isn't at any fault here, and there are various reasons why she never found out until recently.
I was just pointing out that the finances of VShojo were bad a lot earlier than people think, they just did a better job hiding it earlier.

>>102738523
>Ironmouse herself basically admitted that VShojo was feeding her lies
yeah, sure
Let her play victim real quick. Very convenient when vshojo staff can't confirm or deny anything atm

>>102734732
>>102740175
>>102735121
She knew the exact amount and compared to a new Ferrari you inbreds that didn't even watch the black stream.

>>102743693
Fuck off MTD

>>102743512
if you know property address, you can find former/current owner and then you can find where they live now

>>102743388
At least we can now disregard anyone who denies it

>>102743873
You can find the property in replies to digitrevx.

>>102743693
would not be surprising if the snake is acting like a snake ain't it

>>102729332 (OP)
name (them) anon
the truth will set you free

>>102734356
>nijisister
>innocent

The quick rundown here is that every vtuber I like is innocent and every single one that I dislike is deeply embroiled in criminal embezzling and fraud, especially the ones who get a lot of viewers and make me extra mad

>>102744786
I honestly do not care about anyone in vshojo and don't know how popular any of them are individually

>>102744786
Some anon found proof that Melody made porn in the COO's house that he's selling. So she's not innocent

>>102744888
That's me and you're wrong.
It's not the video was taken in the same house, but the exact same poster with the same frame that she had in the background of the video is in apek's house. The poster is barely even proof since it's just an item she could have given away.
What you should be looking at is this (combined with everything else)
>>102738338
>>102739244

>>102744786
I like them, because they are innocent bunnies
I dislike them, because they are scummy lying cunts

Which talents except her and JPs didn't extensively address the situation and didn't say VSJ owes them money?

After reviewing the various evidences, tho limited, I'm very certain that Mel has an ongoing relationship with the COO, meaning there's no way she didnt know the company was insolvent for years, yet didnt tell any of her co-talents. She was likely in on the rugpull, given her association with Avek. Feels like its only fitting that this get more attention, because this makes the sinder drama look like a nothingburger in comparison.

>>102745633
Question is which former VShojo will be the one who drops the Mel bombshell publicly if any?
My bet is on either Mouse or Nyan

Man, what a Vshitshow.

>>102745633
>She was likely in on the rugpull
Not necessarily, her boyfriend was, she benefited from it since they live together, but there is no proof that she knew, they may break up because this is how she found out, or maybe they get to enjoy that money together in their new japanese house

>>102745801
Kson once she finds out Mel was getting her payouts and she wasn't.

>>102746008
Anon she moved out of the country as everything started unravelling. It must be a total coincidence that Mowtendoo left the company at that time and Mouse finally received information about her missing charity money a few weeks later. They were obviously preparing to let it all go because they couldn't keep lying,

No way Mel didn't know, lol.

>>102746500
She is very stupid, (source: watch any long stream) and her life's goal is to fuck dick all day. It's possible she didn't know.

>>102743474
>Otherwise the NDA they signed preventing them from speaking to other talents about these issues would be meaningless.
you would have to put a gun to my head to sign a contract that says I can't talk to my work colleagues about each other's payments

>>102746636
Women are masters at playing stupid, and it's even easier for her since most of what you see her do is get fucked on stream

>>102746812
True, she could be smarter than she acts normally. Now that you mention it her earlier videos she spoke differently. But that could be her tryharding being an AI character rather than her natural state.

>>102746873
You know what they say, men like their women when they're stupid. The smartest women act stupid to trick men into controlling them.

>>102746636
A very easy facade to put up on the internet.

>>102729332 (OP)
how are we sure ironmouse wasn't aware of the charity embezzlement when it happened?
maybe it was about to be made public by IDF and wanted to save face

>>102729332 (OP)
because shes deeply involved

>>102729396
*explosion.

They didn't lie about 'Talent first' technically. They just didn't specify which one.

>>102747740
>Ironmouse first!
>Every talent is free to worship the ground the queen walks on
So desu ne

>>102746753
Not like that would be enforcable anyway. Coworkers just make a secret chat and share information there while badmouthing the boss.
But I guess that wouldn't really work if ironmouse was in it.
Oops

>>102745633
>this makes the sinder drama look like a nothingburger in comparison.
I only saw some of that from the sidelines and the reactions looked very overblown.

>>102739265
ironmouse is a clique leader in vshitjo

>>102739244
The COO being too much of a cheap bastard to pay off a repair company thereby providing a documented connection between him and Mel is extremely funny

>>102748256
mel was constantly complaining of water leaks, ypu don't pay people doing a shitty job till they fix the problem

>word words words
>screenshot of a site I don't use
>literal who
You know what, I don't really care tee bee dessoo.

>>102729332 (OP)
of course shes involved, only twitch doesnt want to admit it

>>102748256
What video is this from?

Melody's been awful quiet

>>102747838
nigga, ironmouse is the one who got ripped off the most

>back then
vtubers have existed since 2014 how old is this bitch, 40?

>>102729332 (OP)
Mel has dirt on everyone who had their hands in the cookie jar, including talents.

>>102730474
Did any of her deleted tweets got saved?
Expose this lying bitch

>>102754819
what the fuck do you think she's lying about lol
you think she covered up for the people who were robbing her?

>tfw learned today that Melody is a bony goblin
She is carried HARD by that model

>>102755063
No shit? Why would she use a anime avatar if she looked fuckable lmao.

>>102755130
People are still buying her videos so some people are into I guess

>>102754909
Yes? If not why did she delete the stuff that contradicts the narrative?

>>102729332 (OP)
This entire thing is shady as fuck. the fact everyone is now suddenly having problems that never existed before is fucking shamlessly just jumping on ironmouses bandwagon more than anything. If all these problems existed before why the fuck did no one say anything. It's clear some shady shit is going on here, and it's not from the vshono management.

>>102755255
what narrative? you are aware that kson is a victim of a crime, correct? and you think she did the crime to herself so that she wouldn't have her own money? what the hell are you implying?

ITT retards try to come up with a plausible rrat for how talents somehow benefited from having their own money stolen and fail completely.

>>102729332 (OP)
Melody's boyfriend

>>102729332 (OP)
Ah, the usual western vtuber hoe, with their drama and their jealousy of other successful vtubers

>>102755359
there have been a lot of ESL moments on /vt/ in my days but this one is perhaps the stupidest. it's like watching aliens who don't understand human society come up with a scenario to explain an event.

the only explanation that makes sense is that they are so ESL they used AI to describe the vshojo event in their native language and it just hallucinated some nonsense and they're mad about it.

>>102755659
>perfect grammar and complex syntax
>durr this is esl because it contradicts my retardation
Low IQ moment.

>>102755765
what does this have to do with my post?

>>102755826
Oh, you were talking about the rrat peddlers. Fair enough then.

>>102755866
yea i was agreeing with you and adding additional context.

>>102755571
An anon above has documented that the COO and Melody probably lived together as of July 2024 and probably much longer than that. Is it normal for COOs to live with their employee?

>>102755317
>victim
>deleted the tweets that exposed her lying
Lmao

>>102756005
can you explain your theory about how kson stole her own money? are you actually an alien who doesn't know what stealing is? please respond.

>>102755269
I could see some of the talents who were newer and not part of the clique were kept in the dark and given promises that things will change. I also think some talents might have knowledge and were hoping it would fix itself, especially the talents that were very vocal about Vshojo's image/brand in the past year

>>102756192
if you can see talents covering up for people who are robbing them, you need glasses.

>>102729332 (OP)
Idk

>>102756225
If they can help the company survive long enough to make money then they will get the money that was owed to them, something dead can't pay you

>>102756339
that is true. but the issue with your theory is that when the talents got together and collectively discovered that they are all owed money, they did not "help the company survive". they all immediately graduated and put out videos exposing vshojo for embezzlement.

>>102729332 (OP)
Good to see more people are finally waking up to conflicts of interest that have surrounded Melody since before she was Melody and still continue to this day.
Now, they should start looking at the alarming lack of company presence around her upcoming game. A game that contains the voices of other vtubers aside from Melody and who may have also been subject to draconian NDAs for being a minor part of it.

>>102756435
Letting the company survive is simply keeping your mouth shut about how bad it is, who know long they figured out something was wrong. If a company owed you money, would you rather they go bankrupt and not pay you or make money so they can pay you? You play along because destroying them instantly means no payment

>>102756701
>Letting the company survive is simply keeping your mouth shut about how bad it is
right, but nobody did that. the vshojo talents found out they got robbed and immediately quit. they did not help vshojo at all once they obtained that information.
>who know long they figured out something was wrong.
they found out around the start of july.
>If a company owed you money, would you rather they go bankrupt and not pay you or make money so they can pay you?
for me personally, i would immediately quit and then begin a lawsuit to recover as much of the owned money as possible. which is what every single vshojo talent did.
>You play along because destroying them instantly means no payment
no you don't. that's stupid. and nobody in vshojo did that.

>>102756905
So you're telling me that one of the talents who sleeps in the same bed as the COO had zero clue that the company was in a bad state?

>>102756966
he doesn't have a comeback to that LMAO

>>102729332 (OP)
But /vt/ told me that mel is "one of the good ones" and "not like other whores"?

>>102756966
That's actually suspicious, yes. But the narrative that the other dozen+ talents (including Ironmouse) who came out and said "the company owes me tons money" were somehow "in on" stealing their own money is incoherent.

How many times does VT have to be right for people to buy it? How many times does leakers have to be proven to be true? Some bitch says Mel is part of the scam then it’s probably some ex Vshojo Mem leaking it

>>102738281
and get banned for 3 days by overbearing janitors?

>>102757224
All paid astroturfing.

>>102756966
we have learned that the COO is a literal schizo so it is possible for that talent to have been gaslighted and not know. it's also possible they did know. but either way, that talent is not kson. we did not hear melody's story. throughout this thread when i said "talents" i am refering to every talent that has spoken publicly, which so far is everyone except mel.

>VShojo was a front for Melody's pimp to scam e-whores

>>102740159
After everyone was leaving left and right lol

>>102757325
>>102757224
I'm not saying they were complicit but maybe they hung around an extra month or two hoping to see the company right itself. Multiple people already left before this blew up

>>102740603
This is some cartel-tier fuckery

>>102757224
MTD was the director of 4chan misinformation at vshojo

>>102757475
that theory could be believable if there was a sudden uptick in on-stream vshojo shilling recently, but the complete opposite happened. early this month henya and kson were bitching about vshojo on stream. i think that was the first time i remember henya ever saying something negative about them. vshojo group collabs slowed significantly. everyone stopped talking about the minecraft server. not a single talent made any public attempt to "right the ship", as the conspiracy posted in this thread is suggesting. it's painfully apparent that the talents found out and then all immediately noped out.

>>102755170
>People are still buying her videos
If you're looking at the twitter account that I think you are, then no. That account has announced the same handful of videos being sold in the same damn sequence for well over a year now. It's automated and done in a way to compel others to spend money.

I can't wait until that opiate addicted whore Melody and her fuckboy scammer boytoy Daniel "Apek" Sanders are hung alongside Gunrun and MowTenDouche.

>>102758318
thfnpbp

How the fuck does this keep getting worse

>>102758086
adding to this because it's funny and i sobered up and remembered. to vshojo viewers it was extremely clear that something bad was happening. we could all see in real time every talent learn about the situation and then post something about it on twitter. and that something was always really concerning. that includes vshojo friends too. we were tracking the "oofs". here's a couple examples
https://x.com/K9_KURO/status/1942164409079742809
https://x.com/MichiMochievee/status/1944118995306917926
(picrel is notable replies to michi's tweet, maiko is her manager)
https://x.com/LeeandLie/status/1944512819841413468

so basically this is why i've been so snippy throughout this thread. catalogfags are suggesting that vshojo members found out they were owed hundreds of thousands of dollars, and then attempted to hype up vshojo or something so the company would do well and they would finally be able to be paid. but in reality everyone was doomposting about vshojo and the attitude from everyone was openly negative. the conspiracy is a complete fabrication from people who simply have no idea what's going on and have never watched a stream.

>>102758417
There's 200% someone who leaked half of this shit /here/ years ago but got ignored as just another schizo btw

>>102729332 (OP)
Being completely vindicated about disliking Melody for petty reasons feels orgasmic

>>102754736
This is the only reason I can think of why they are all utterly silent about Mel. She's complicit if the rumor is true but she can easily take them down with her if she wanted.

>>102754736
This is the only reason I can think of why everyone is so silent about Mel. They didn't even respond to her tweet about the situation and she's not responding to anyone's either.
If the rumors are true, she's automatically complicit but she can easily take everyone down with her if there's dirt on them too.

MTD is a fucking retard for making that post about gunrun

>>102759098
>>102759130
Why did I send this twice, am I having a brain aneurysm?

>>102758495
There was literally paid jannies suppressing it. I guarantee you it was happening on YouTube and other platforms as well not just vt.

>>102729332 (OP)
Idk why more people aren't shitting on mouse for how scummy it is she pocketed half the fucking charity money. Like what kind of subhuman scum are you to do a charity stream and not only not make a donation yourself, but also say "BTW half the money goes to me I'm a charity too guys." I thought mouse's streams were dogshit and didn't watch her before hand, but now I despise her, this is fucking disgusting regardless of if the rrat of her pocketing the missing money is true or not, the full fucking thing should've went to charity in the first place. She isn't a charitable or generous person, she's a greedy scumbag.

>>102759262
>idk why people aren't shitting on mouse for something she didn't do
probably because that didn't happen, you dumb esl.

>>102759262
>pocketed
Retard. Actual retard.

>>102759262
>gives away half of her earnings
>this is scummy
ok retard, how much % of your earnings did you give away last year?

>>102759262
The gimmick of her stream is that she'd donate half of her sub earnings
It sounds like you just have a problem with twitch and the gameification of subs/bits/hype trains
None of what she did was abnormal behavior for twitch, except for her giving it to vshojo to be an intermediary, which she explains is to protect her anonymity.

>>102759262
L + ratio

>>102759262
now this is definitely vshitshow staff astroturfing

>>102759508
no it's just some guy from SEA. you can tell by his complete misunderstanding of what's going on with a non-hololive vtuber.

>>102759262
This is bait.

>>102759297
>>102759307
>>102759331
>>102759384
>>102759445
>>102759508
>>102759546
>>102759564

All me, please ignore. Ironlung is a grifting whore.

>>102759384
I've seen other twitch charity streams and even they don't do that dumb shit where they pull a 50/50 on charity so im not giving her the benifit of the doubt its common or just twitch culture. Regardless of it being common or not it's scummy as fuck that she can't even do a fucking single virtuous thing for a single fucking stream.

>>102759643
it's actually not scummy to raise a half million dollars for charity. that is the actual opposite of what the word scummy means. she could have done a subathon without donating any money to charity, which is the actual norm.

>>102759683
kind of scummy to raise 1 Mil for charity and then only give them half.
raising half a million for charity loses a bit of its sparkle when you see she actually raised double that so she could get paid too

>>102759880
she didn't raise 1 million for charity. she did a subathon and earned 1 million. then gave half of her the earnings to charity. she didn't have to do that. 99% of subathons have all the money go to the streamer and that's the end of that.

>>102759880
>"I will do a subathon and give 50% of the profit to charity!"
>Gives 50% of subs to charity. (if vshojo didn't steal it)
Nothing about that is scummy you moron. Well except for Vshojo not paying it.

>>102759880
They didn't spring the 50/50 split on everyone at the last minute. That was announced well ahead of time. Everyone who donated was aware of it.
Quit being a fucking retard.

>>102731645
>which is not
You're Chinese

>>102729332 (OP)
>thread with info about Melody's possible bf
>thread is immediately derailed to rant about Kson
There's a communist gook infestation in this thread...

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>>102732615
I bet its Chink diaspora gooks from Canada.

>>102729332 (OP)
I see the mossad janny has woken up to (shut it down)... check for deleted posts through various archive sites, anons.

>>102734068
They're angry she recognized the existance of Taiwan.

>>102760075
that's mostly my fault. i opened this thread while drunk and saw some retard bitching about kson so i corrected him. didn't even read the op lol.

>>102760247
she still won't fuck you lil bro

>>102760323
but she will fuck cute girls on stream, which is much better.

>>102731296
Getting paid in profit cut is always fishy as fuck, company just needs a creative accountant to fuck over with their employees

>>102760423
nijisanji...

>>102755913
Go look up the office photo on redfin. Mel's stand up desk for full body tracking streams is still there. I hinted at it last night, but nobody seemed to pick up on it. Anybody still denying that they were living together until the end is either delusional or one of the insiders still trying to run cover for them.

>>102760516
and following up on that, they clearly had a secondary streaming room. Look at the amount of mounts on the walls and ceiling. There's only so many things you'd be doing with that many mounts. Even a lot of home theater set ups wouldn't have that much shit mounted.

I'd like to add that Digitrev added more revealing info on his twitter.

Additionally, Tectone followed him, and while i am not leaking DMs, i know for a fact he reached out to Digitrev to know more. Given he also knows Nux, who likely told him everything...

The end is nigh, folks. Mel and the COO are next on the radar.

>>102760976
tectone beats his wife and nux is an unironic member of the other idf. those guys joining your team isn't a good sign.

>>102757617
no he wasn't
MTD is the sexpest
The COO pushing 4chan narratives is mel's boyfriend
https://x.com/Veibae/status/1948509619543822703

>>102761083
Okay little bro, share more Hamas Diddy Bin Laden Piker talking points, that way we know you're a commie retard to ignore.

maybe she was a victim of a malicious boyfriend

>>102761311
mtd was on 4chan too. an anon directly talked to him here before.
>>102761405
hi tectone

>>102761083
>someone did something bad so nothing they say is ever true

That's what the shortbus riders said about Digi, even though he posted clear evidence of them fucking and sucking. Apek even used his stupid fucking discord avatar in Mel's copyright logo back in the day, because he never thought it might come back and bite him in the ass.

>>102761430
Hi Hasan, could you stop sharing misinformation and get arrested pretty please?

>>102761461
lol

>>102761461
>>102761482
struck a nerve, huh

>>102761514
So did i. I mean, you are the one who jumped to slander.

Regardless, point is, Melody is absolutely fucked, and not in the sense she likes.

>>102761596
>how dare you insult my favorite sex pest male fleshtuber
>if you don't like him you must enjoy some other sex pest male fleshtuber
is today unironically your first day on /vt/?

>>102761710
Nah, just woke up with a migraine and a terrible mood

>>102740391
You sound like the guys defending sinder after the fact. Melody is likely complicit. How much of vshojo does she technically own?

>>102755659
We're interacting with muslim 12 year olds from South East Asia and Chinese teenagers. And Indians, they're everywhere on the internet.

Mel is innocent. There's zero evidence that she's connected to the COO.

Someone get nuked by trying so hard to defend ironlung kek

>>102761962
There's more than enough to prove they're connected professionally and sometimes physically.

>>102758490
I'm a catalogfag and its retarded how these yellow fucks couldn't tell that something wrong was going down in Vshojo with all the people leaving over the last 6 months. They're making shit up now because they're bored living in their huts in the middle of winter.

>>102761962
Okay Apek, tell us how you paid your move to Japan.

>>102762057
>"physically"
I see what you did there.

>>102761962
kek, isn't melody a co-owner of vshojo with the other earlier members? The interests align.

I imagine some of the ones that had shares in the company were willing to look past not getting paid because the rumor is they were expecting more funding to come in (which they would materially benefit from as they own part of the company), and as they kept waiting the skipped payments ended up having to slip to also not paying the other talents.
The funding never came, and then the whole thing imploded and these og vshojo talents that were aware and SAID NOTHING (to their own benefit) are currently in the process of attempting to wash their hands of it.

>>102762644
>isn't melody a co-owner of vshojo with the other earlier members?
that is something /vt/ made up based on a wildly incorrect assumption

>>102762801
When they started vshojo the premise was that they would be founders and therefore you could "trust" the company.

>>102762864
didn't watch before 2022. with the recent info it's possible that mel is more than simply a talent but that isn't true for everyone else. fellow 1st gen members all got gaslit and ripped off.

>>102763102
>>102762801
When your boyfriend (ex or not) ends up being the COO, and you effectively are a founder of the company, and continue to work alongside him, what are the odds you have zero material stake in the company?

>>102763329
it would be reasonable to expect a founding member to have a stake in a company. but if the other founding members are schizos who get off on manipulating people, acting creepy to women and posting on 4chan, it's definitely possible that she didn't get what she deserved and is just a talent in the dark like the rest.

>>102763427
I mean. Mel is the only talent so far who didn't say she was denied pay. Given she's dating her COO, it makes 100% sense. Why would the her COO Daddy ignore his Camgirl sugar baby?

>>102763427
She complained about a burst pipe and there's a work order for plumping by him on July 2024. There's also chat logs of him planning her model in 2019 using her account. Over the course of about 5 years, they had zero conversations about the company they were both at from the start while under the same roof? She was just kept in the dark until now, 6 years later

>>102763758
that doesn't mean she's personally involved in crime. she could have simply assumed the company was doing fine and everyone is getting paid on time like she is. and if those rumors are true, it could be the case that she also is owed money, but COO stole her phone and won't let her tweet that because he would get in trouble.

>>102764099
Brother, according to the wiki, either she came before the current COO, or came along him. Mel and the COO are not separate here in this business, they're a unit and always were.

>>102763758
>I mean. Mel is the only talent so far who didn't say she was denied pay.
kek, holy shit.

>>102764099
Yeah she is actually owed money which is why she didn't say so when everyone else was talking about how much they were owed

>>102764295
there is strong evidence they are very close. that is not evidence that mel is necessarily involved in the financial crime that happened. gunrun, apek, and mtd are all confirmed to be complete psychos if you've seen aethel and nyan's streams. it's not a stretch to assume they are psycho towards mel as well.

>>102764405
She won't fuck you bro

>>102764295
There are screenshots of him e-mailing about her model in Oct 2019 and using her account to message people in Feb 2020. Vshojo debuted November 24, 2020

>>102764480
It's not like they disconnected from each other, she literally ended up working alongside him for years after that, so to claim she disconnected from him makes no sense.

>>102764478
The COO sent a new directive to shills to defend Melody, it's the only explanation

>>102764521
I'm agreeing with you, they were working together a year before Vshojo debuted

>>102764478
she will fuck herself though, which is what i actually want to see.
>>102764548
i just want blame to be directed at the correct people. with the information we have, those people are gunrun, apek, and mtd.

>>102764480
And she lived with the COO as late as July 2024. And moved to Japan this year. And right after the COO's apartment was sold. She absolutely still acts as a unit with Apek

My pure innocent angel COULD NOT POSSIBLY KNOW even if she lived with the guy the whole time

>>102764521
Oh they were connected alright, in more ways than one may imagine

>>102764717
To the hip

>>102764548
I think it's just melody simps and fans of other girls who are afraid that if the pandora's box of one of them being complicit opens others might also be exposed.

>>102764762
i have literally never watched a mel stream. i just like facts and not heckin rrats.

>>102763758
>hasn't mentioned denied pay
>hasn't mentioned draconian contract deals
>left for Japan so she wouldn't be in country when shit hit the fan
>pinned twitter message mentions she's not gonna talk about things or pretty much do anything for the next 2 weeks
Awfully convenient.

>>102764845
perhaps she found out, is horrified, and is taking 2 weeks to move back home to mom's house. it's irresponsible to draw the conclusion you are drawing based on so little information.

>>102764795
If you liked facts you wouldn't be weaving this ridiculous narrative of her knowing nothing and also missing money. You are not fooling anybody.

>>102764845
Most importantly, Apek wasn't the one that signed off on the flood damage repair. Melody was. She's the one listed in the mechanic's lein.

>>102764898
It's irresponsible to not consider her and her boyfriend suspects at this point.

>>102764898
If she "found out" why didn't she say so? Everyone else was dumping everything while she said she's going to not talk.

>>102764898
I've got way more information than you think I do, I'm just not stupid enough to post it here and catch my own vacation.
It's irresponsible to do the writer's work for them, like you're doing right now.

>>102764902
my narrative is just as valid as your narrative.
>>102764943
nowhere in any of my posts did i imply that the COO is not a suspect.
>>102764951
her lawyer instructed her to say as little as possible.
>>102764969
i have the same information and none of it implicates mel in a crime.

>>102765033
Another anon found the same anime picture/frame she had in an old video before becoming Melody that can be seen in the house listing. In 6 years+ of living together, they didn't talk about work related stuff about a company they worked and founded? Makes sense

>>102765033
>nowhere in any of my posts did i imply that the COO is not a suspect.
And the gf of that COO? The one who does: >>102738696

>>102765033
>i have the same information
Her game hasn't been brought up yet so I sincerely doubt that.

>>102765033
Your narrative is entirely made up by you literally just to defend Melody. I do not have a narrative and just point out the FACT that she lived with the guy for years.

>>102765085
>>102765110
>>102765124
here's my schizo rrat: the man handled the finances.

>>102765033
>her lawyer
You do realize that "her lawyer" is apek, right?

>>102765162
He's literally her pimp, of course he did.

>>102765085
It makes sense to this delusional simp. She is a pure dumdum innocent girlie who has never handled money.

>>102765085
kek, it's so fucking over.

>>102765178
not in the scenario i proposed.
>>102765186
so you agree with me then. thank you.

>>102765245
You seem like the kinda person who's scammed easy

>>102765033
Ah yes, her Lawyer, Apek. With an expired Lawyer license.

>>102760858
lol the kind of skeevy guy that promotes his girlfriend into being an ewhore, setting up all kinds of cameras and shit like that it isn't surprising that he was also setting up scummy contracts, committing charity fraud, etc.

>>102765245
These scenarios you're coming up with are entirely imaginary.

>>102765364
so is the one you made up about mel stealing everyone's money. mine is just more likely.

>>102729332 (OP)
How the fuck did Melody squeeze her way out of responsibility during that whole model artist fiasco? Did she blame it on her boyfriend, called him a manager, lied about not being associated with him, and it just blew over? I don't remember.

>>102760858
>The unholy things that happened in that room.

>>102765420
I don't know directly but basically someone said she played victim and said he was taking advantage of her and her 'virtual body' or something. So he basically became a pariah for being an abuser to the public while not getting paid

>>102765420
It didn't help digitrevx that he's a fucking sperg, so his delivery was awful. He also doesn't have the warped mind of a scumbag lawyer or a company PR that's more than willing to commit character assassination by getting this place involved, Melody DID have those things in her corner.

>>102765419
Do you have brain damage? I never said she stole anyone's money. I correctly pointed out that she lived with the guy (undisputable fact) and that she knows what he's doing.

>>102765571
dunno why you're arguing with me then. i don't care about unicorn shit. i'm defending her from the people implicating talents in the crime when there is not evidence for that.

>>102765420
Never trust a camgirl

>>102765621
You're claiming she couldn't possibly know anything when it's almost impossible for her to not know.

>>102765709
no i'm not claiming that. it's entirely possible she knew. i am claiming that we can't definitely say she did know, because it's possible that she didn't. as i proposed earlier >>102765162

>>102765621
This isn't unicorn shit you disingenuous fuck. She's implicated because her relationship to the COO presented a conflict of interest that has so far looked like it's shielded her from things like months of no pay, no merch issues, etc. Unless her upcoming game is affected by this (it won't because OTHER reasons), she'll have gotten out of the company with the least amount of damage.
Everyone else got fucked legally, meanwhile she just gets fucked literally, like she likes it.

>>102765420
Is her previous pornhub still up

>>102765763
>>102765162

>>102765538
>It didn't help digitrevx that he's a fucking sperg, so his delivery was awful.
This is his biggest weakness. I get a headache trying to decipher his long as fuck blocks of text so I just look at the pics and links provided.

>>102765743
Your little proposition doesn't absolve her in any way.

>>102765789
Yes but there's almost nothing there anymore.

>>102765826
>"how dare she let all the talent get robbed"
>what if she didn't know the talent was getting robbed
>"that doesn't absolve her in any way"
? yea it does.

>>102765885
You're once again saying she couldn't know. Why do you keep doing this?

>>102765930
that is incorrect. i am saying it is a possibility. the point i am making is that we do not have enough info to draw a conclusion about whether mel is evil or not.

>>102765867
Yeah I was just looking. BLEH, and to think that content is from 10 years ago.

>>102765885
So she just lives with the guy screwing over everyone (including the people responsible for working on your model), works with him for ~6 years, and knows nothing about what he is doing, and also is getting paid by him? Yeah sure, she knew nothing.

>>102766089
>so you're saying they might have separate bank accounts?
yea

Just stop responding to the idiot. He's making shit up now.

>>102765987
She was living with the guy so she by default benefits and knows.

>>102766181
i lived with my parents for a while and couldn't look at their bank accounts.