I still haven’t seen a single solid moral argument as for why Nimi's marriage announcement was something wrong.

Appealing to emotion and acting like she should feel guilty because some loser projected a fantasy onto her isn’t a valid take. She said from the start that having a family was a dream of hers, and that she still wants to keep streaming long-term. It doesn't take a 3 digit IQ to realize that it was going to come up eventually, and being open about it now avoids even worse drama later. It's obvious that hiding something like that would just make things messier and harder down the line, and would also make you extremely dishonest to keep hiding it.

She never said she was single, never did GFE and never farmed lonely dudes for donos by pretending to be available.
The only ones seething are unicorns who built a whole fake relationship in their heads, and now feel “cheated” over something that was never promised to them in the first place. They’re embarrassing themselves in this case by acting like she "owed them celibacy", and should've given up her own dreams to please them specifically.

>>102740487
Irrelevant.

>>102740434 (OP)
It's morally incorrect because she now cannot make more money, which might come in handy when her kid is born.

Jokes aside, it's business suicide, and bad for the marriage too. Just disappear off the internet, that's what I would have done in her scenario. Maybe years down the line someone finds her and goes "oh wow she has a family" and adds a bunch of crying emotes. Instead, her entire life is now being broadcast to an increasingly hostile crowd, like in the case of >>102740487 here.

>>102740434 (OP)
ok, hope she enjoy losing views and she doesn't miss her gosling's suppas

>>102740487
Hehe based

>>102740434 (OP)
It'd be ok if she wasn't doing shit like this at the same time.

>>102740434 (OP)
maybe streaming was a mistake?

>>102740434 (OP)
>solid moral argument as
The fuck makes an argument moral?
Although ultimately that does not matter, it certainly is perfectly within her right to marry and to announce that. Just like it is perfectly acceptable for viewers to drop her following it.

>>102740434 (OP)
Stfu, she's a normie grifting cock sucker that should piss off for good. She should just be a skin streamer if she wants to talk about her faggot husband. En vtubers are the worst and she's the perfect example.

>>102740434 (OP)
>>102740641

>>102740908
That’s not a moral argument, that's financial speculation. “She might make less money” doesn’t make it morally wrong to be honest with your audience. If anything, it shows she values being upfront over maximizing revenue from parasocial retards, which is pretty respectable.

Calling it “business suicide” also assumes her audience was primarily made up of delusional unicorns, which it clearly wasn’t. She’s not a GFE streamer and she didn’t hide behind a fake persona. You act like announcing a marriage is career-ending, but plenty of vtubers and streamers have made personal announcements and been fine, the internet moves on fast.

>>102740434 (OP)
Considering that 36% of USA peeps are into cucking, and western vtubing is mostly comprised of said degens. I am sure Nimicucks are enjoying it.

>>102740434 (OP)
you got it all wrong, tourist. unicorns wanted her to keep lying to them. do you think this whole shit is because she's having someone? fuck no, it's because this rancid whore wants her cake and eat it too.

>>102740434 (OP)
You don't have to, just don't announce it to the world on your vtubing account
Only the most extreme unicorns want to police a chuuba's personal relationships, a much larger chunk are perfectly happy as long as the illusion is kept intact, or at the very least not deliberately broken

>>102740487
>immersive NTR
Jesus Christ I didn't know this could exist. I think she just created a new fetish for her cuckling.

>>102740434 (OP)
imo its not wrong in terms of she shouldn't have done that. rather her annoucement, the reception of the en community is a good example of everything wrong with en vtubing.

idgaf, already stopped watching en since 2023 and just here to laugh at all the tourists

>>102740434 (OP)
Why would any self-respecting male want to know that their favorite cartoon uwu prostitute has a family or is getting married? Was her notifying her actual friends and family not enough?

It's just unnecessary and it gets in the way of my perfect image of her crushing my balls.

>>102740434 (OP)
explain this

>>102740434 (OP)
>You shouldn't die alone to please unicorns.
ok?
then you should retire instead of being an idol
and better yet don't become an idol in the first place

>>102741344
This idea that “it’s fine as long as you don’t say it” still puts the burden on the chuuba to constantly censor herself to protect a fantasy she never agreed to uphold. So what illusion is she breaking? The one people made up in their heads? At some point, especially if she wants to keep streaming long-term, it was going to come out. Would you rather it leak through doxxfags or come straight from her in a respectful, honest way?

>>102740434 (OP)
Gonna copypasta a post I thought argued really well why Nimi is wrong.

Coming clean with a secret solely because you're afraid of it leaking so you preempt the leak doesn't absolve you of being a duplicitous greedy Jew, anon. The facts of the matter are:
1. She didn't say shit after quitting Hololive becauae she wanted to cash out
2. Coming out with this news immediately would've eaten into her profits
3. If people were expecting the same content from Nimi like Fauna's, they're not only NOT going to get that moving forward, but they're getting less of it.
4. The reason it's upsetting isn't because people want her to stay single forever, but because it's fucking Jewish behavior to withhold information until it's inconvenient solely for the sake of making more money

>>102741754
>woman/gayboy thinks other woman rugpulling lonely virgins after taking the money was respectful and honest
ok

>>102740434 (OP)
You can tell a SEAshitter wrote this because they act like details of a vtuber's personal life being revealed is inevitable and that people will actually care, when in civilized countries that's considered doxxing and is frowned upon. The vast majority of vtuber fans outside of SEA do not seek out dox.
The same applies to everyone else using the argument "people would have found out eventually"

>>102741754
>respectful, honest way?
Nothing about this is respectful to her cuckolds nor honest. She waited on the information because it would negatively impact her financially. She knew this, which is why she waited until all her shit was sold and the concert was done. If she had wanted to be honest, coming out immediately after graduating, or outrifht just saying it during her graduation, would've been the right moment. In what fucking world is it respectful to lie by omission? She told her fans they aren't her friends, so why is it okay for her to tell us something people who at the very least are her friends should know or care about?
People who wanted Nimi to be indie Fauna were lied to. Instead, they're getting family bullshit they didn't sign up for. It's bad opsec to share personal information, but Nimi seems to want everyone up in her business. How is that more stable a foundation than keeping her private life private?

>>102741754
>she never agreed to uphold
Cut the crap.
You and I both know that if their intent was to be an entertainer, they would have cut any potential unicorn stuff in the bud from the start. Even the "unicorn friendly" corpo (hololive) has tons of girls who did exactly that. Bae, Deme, Buffpup, and Nyannerz still makes more in a month than I'll see in several years, you're not gonna be poor if from the start you go
-yeah I'm going to collab with guys
And
-hey, I'm married/have a bf/intend to have a bf down the line

You'll just make LESS than a giga pandering unicorn friendly vtuber, but you'll still be shitting out so much cash you can literally window shop for $800,000 Victorian mansions like Kirsche was talking about. Nimi could still be filthy fucking rich if she curbed unicorns from the start, she just wanted even more money, and now she wants to reneg on the agreement by insisting the alcoholics are at fault for buying the alcohol she just so happened to be selling in her "convenience store" with one shelf of chips in the corner.

>>102741754
Tell me, what is the difference between it leaking through doxxfags and her announcing it herself? Why is one worse than the other?
Who would get mad if she did it the other way, and why does it make people less mad if she chose the right way?

Your thought is so superficial, you really should think more deeply.

>>102741909
Is it that hard to believe she didn't want to keep lying to her fans and making up excuses whenever any personal responsibility related to marriage showed up? You do realize normal people don't enjoy lying to other's faces, correct?

>>102741672
>>102741759
>>102741871
>>102742065
>>102742135
This

>>102740434 (OP)
>never did GFE
Nigga you what? her entire career was built on GFE, just not to rushia levels.

>>102740434 (OP)
If you claim that you're a doctor, it means that you have a medical license. If you claim to be a lawyer, it means you passed the Bar exam. If you claim to be an idol, it means that you are single.
End of discussion.

>>102741759
>>102741759
>"argued really well"
>just financial speculation and schizobabble
If she gave so much of a shit about money, she wouldn't have said anything in the first place, retard. People don't make decisions solely based on the financial repercussions of it, especially something as notable as this.

>>102742412
>normal people
Then this normie grifter shouldn't have been a vtuber milking her fans as much as possible before the lore drop.

>>102740434 (OP)
You're being very disingenuous if you don't see any moral flaws. Streaming is inherently creating a parasocial-prone environment and there is a lot to be said to be making money from this activity.
That being said, it has nothing to do with being right or wrong. People will have their opinions about her but all the invested people are losers anyway. You're the whiteknight cuck and your naysayers are incel unicorns.
TL;DR stop being a faggot

>>102742523
>People don't make decisions solely based on the financial repercussions of it
They do when it's hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake.

>>102742523
Funny that.. Milked all that money before the lore. You can't be this retarded surely?

>>102742412
>she didn't want to keep lying
At that point, the damage is already done.

>>102741754
>Would you rather it leak through doxxfags or come straight from her in a respectful, honest way?
It's just the difference between NTR and NTS, it doesn't change the fact that she cucked the Naplings

>>102741059
People are lying on the internet? The audacity!

>>102742692
>Milked all that money before the lore.
This. How fucking out of touch do you to be to not realize this was a planned decision?

>>102742650
>hundreds of thousands
Kek.

>>102740434 (OP)
>The only ones seething are unicorns who built a whole fake relationship in their heads, and now feel “cheated” over something that was never promised to them in the first place.
>>102741694

Aaaaand now that she has financial support, she doesn't need the unicorns' money anymore, she literally told them to get the fuck out

In the end, you'll still cry, whether she tells the truth or gets caught for lying.

>>102742587
Nope. The fault is you getting parasocial on the internet.

>>102740434 (OP)
Nimi is dying?

>>102740434 (OP)

Here's your reddit spacing answer truth nuke

Married women shouldn't do only-fans content and jerk off instructions, it is traumatic and demeaning for their husbands. And she uses huge big-titty models despite being flat and her voice is natural pornography, every stream is JOI.

>>102743158
What mad dog shit are you talking? We are talking about her grifting, we aren't talking about me you idiot. I'm not parasocial btw, I like vtubers but wasn't interested when she was in Holo, now I think she's a real cunt.

>>102740434 (OP)
cmon man it's a little slimy to go into a profession where the inherent road to success is to cultivate an audience of lonely men and then take advantage of that audience for years before dropping an emotional bombshell on them without even vocalizing ANY sympathy. when your niche as an entertainer is primarily to be a virtual friend for people who have none if you say this isn't true you're lying to yourself it's just good praxis to keep the feelings of the people who actually open their wallets to support you in mind when you share personal information with them, and address them at their own level.

>>102743611
tl;dr you should say you're sorry when you hurt peoples feelings even when you didn't mean to

>>102740434 (OP)
She uses a sexy model, fake voice, and cutesy act to maximize donations. Combined with long social interactions, the viewers' logical responses are overridden by an uncontrollable neurological response, which forces them donate. It's similar to gambling where you logically know you're losing money, but you just can't stop. She also targets incels, who're the most vulnerable target for her grift. it's like selling beer in an AA meeting.
All vtubers do this, but if she stays single and virgin for her whole life, you can think of it as some kind of modern pseudo relationship

>>102744437
>uncontrollable neurological response
A desire to mate?

>>102741754
>>she never agreed to uphold
>wants to scam lonely loser virgins and live on easy mode
>cant even put the work to keep a simple illusion alive
women... my grandma was right about you

>>102744511
A desire to listen to her and her husband mate during an asmr stream

>>102742692
just a coincidence chud, stop thinking about it!

>>102740434 (OP)
My oshi said she would look for a man only after she graduates and I'm okay with it. No man should support another man's woman
>Inb4 what about X female worker
It's not the same, I'm not donating shit to them I'm just paying for a service.

>>102744926
>My oshi said she would look for a man only after she graduates and I'm okay with it. No man should support another man's woman
Here here

IMO The problem isn't with her getting married, the problem is her announcing it to thousands of dudes with many of them not being very mentally stable.
And this is the reason why people always say to keep your work life and personal life separate, because by announcing it she essentially invited thousands of people into her personal life.

But how could she POSSIBLY have kept quiet about this? She just HAD to say it! There was no other way!

>>102745292
she should have looked for another job, i would have zero issues if she graduated and got married, that's totally normal... HOWEVER, coming back only to scam lonely losers AND giving her little lore drop only after selling her merch and her tickets concert is fucking scummy

>>102745257
>>102745292
I mean, one day it could've came out unintentionally
I think the backlash of telling it as she's getting married would be preferable compared to the backlash of people potentially discovering that she was hiding it 2-3 years later
It's risk management, or risk mitigation

>>102745491
Why wait, if it's such a weight hanging over her head? The lowest risk opportunity to admit it was graduating from Fauna.

>>102741059
>anon doesn't know what "love" is and only thinks about it romantically.
Just remind yourself about her saying you're not her friend, how could you be her lover? You're delusional

>>102745257
>The problem isn't with her getting married
Nah, marriage is some fleshslut shit, keep it out of here

>>102745551
Probably because the decision to marry only happened recently
Announcing a marriage is very different from announcing you're dating someone, people will congratulate a marriage
If he was her fiancee though, then she probably could've said so much earlier

>>102742065
>muh she waited because more money
You cannot prove that this is the case and you would still be whining about it regardless, even if she announced it early after her debut or waited an even longer time. Even if she announced it DURING debut you would still find something else to bitch about, like how she could've announced it EVEN earlier on her previous corpo life! and surely only didn't because of money (ignoring completely how she was already open about being in a relationship during LL). You also conveniently ignore the possibility that this was a recent decision or proposal, but sure, go ahead and keep pretending this was some master deception plot to trick everyone, because of course she's a master manipulator and all that, lol.

Everyone shut the fuck up, the Unicorn Queen has spoken on the topic.
/thread

>>102742135
Almost like male vtubers are fucking cancer, and not wanting to collab with them doesn't automatically mean you're doing it to pander to the unicorns.

>>102745918
>since day 1
damn

>b-b-but what if she got proposed only recently?
>Alongside streaming, having a family of my own has always been a dream of mine.
She said herself she always wanted to get married. She should've thought about it. She has no excuse.

>>102745784
>but what if
*yawn*

>>102745985
Male vtubers can be cool, on the JP side at least
I have never seen a cool EN male though

>>102745918
i don't watch shondo because she is smart, i don't think anyone does...

>>102745784
The marriage is completely moot. No one fucking gets married to someone they've known for less than a week. She's obviously been in the relation since Hololive, which is the issue here.

>>102746125
there are fun/skilled ones among the western sea of young talentless males in hoodies

>>102746245
it's not the same guy as from her LL/early Fauna days though. Same as nyanners who had one before Aethel. Seems there's a pattern of starting vtubing with one who might not be adapted enough to the lifestyle, then getting with someone who doesn't mind or fits better

>>102740977
Superchats are off. Another faggot reacting to a talent he doesn't even watch. This is less about Nimi and more about YOUR fear of YOUR oshi announcing something like this.
Stay afraid of real life you fucking loser. It makes it easier to relegate you to an underclass. Thanks for delivering my food, pajeet.

>>102746125
Coincidentally, that guy is married too.

>>102746402
femunicorns...... it's like another shoah....

there's no solid moral argument.
She's free to marry whoever and whenever she wants because God forbid a woman wants to get fucked and get kids. That's her right as a human being.
As I am free to unsubscribe, cancel membership, stop buying merch, and fuck off to another vtuber. She knows this, I know this, everyone knows this, but the fact is it is 100% better to announce it now than keeping quiet then someone finding out in the future that she is married and has a kid, she got doxxed once, she can be doxxed again.

It feels weird to listen and support a married woman getting dicked down backstage and off stream. I'm not pestering her about her decision, I just left quietly and leaving my opinion here as an anon so I don't want to hear anyone say "hurr durr you're weird, did you expect her to fuck you?" No I didn't and that's a stupid argument, it's called 'preferences'.

I think you should rob the people ITT. They're dogshit. Take all their money and kill them. No self respecting person would ever associate with people like this.
There's a reason you're socially ostracized. You're monsters. You have no idea how much mercy and kindness you're given. What you deserve is to be smothered at birth.

>can't control my emotions
>so I must control other people's behaviour
>but I have no power to do so
>whimper
>*click*

>>102746553
You sound cucked lol

>>102745720
>Probably because the decision to marry only happened recently

You believe that shit?! What the fuck is wrong with you retard.

>>102745918
Shondo is a fucking cock head.

>>102746841
Yeah? It's a very woman thing to be told "Will you marry me?" then immediately go onto Twitter and tell everyone.

>>102746841
Yeah I do, suddenly getting proposed to then going onto social media to tell everyone sounds plausible
I'd find it weirder if they were engaged from a long time ago and only just now decided to announce it

>>102746888
To tell her "not friends". Give me a fucking break. She's probably already married. The grift for the milking then the reveal before it may have got leaked by certain individuals. Either way she's a grifting slag, smart (well was) but still a slag.

>>102746617
Thanks for proving me right. You sound castrated

>>102747051
>To tell her "not friends"
Yes. It's Twitter, telling things to "not friends" is what Twitter is made for.
If she was married this whole time then there'd be no reason to say anything, especially if she just wanted money. Getting excited about a proposal then telling her fans about it makes more sense.
We already know she's been with the guy since she debuted as Nimi at least, because of what Shondo posted here. >>102745918

>>102747251
Wow, shondo is not to used in any discussion, that girls a complete pos.

>>102740434 (OP)
Everyone dies alone.

>>102746482
Wrong. you are morally and legally obligated to keep watching and spending or you are a whole dictionary of buzzwords.

>>102747629
Not if you do it right.

>>102740434 (OP)
oh boy, a cuckling straight from reddit now

>>102740434 (OP)
I just wanted everything to continue like it was in hololive. That announcement just made me realize that's not going to happen

>>102747786
The inevitable march of time carries on, she wants to have a family before her eggs dry up, she only has a few years left to do that.

>>102747251
>We already know she's been with the guy since she debuted as Nimi at least, because of what Shondo posted here.
She's talking about her past boyfriend as LL I think?

>>102740487
Tab

>>102740434 (OP)
Let me answer this as a sane person that hasn't donated a cent to these whores and only has them as on as background noise when I've got home office.

She has zero entertainment value as a streamer. If she was gender swapped to a male she would be a 2 view.
The thing that was hilarious about her marriage announcement is, she wants to "continue to make people laugh" as if she was at all funny intentionally.
Not only is she not entertaining, she's not talented at all. She's not good at videogames, she's not good at singing, she's not good at anything.

Now, I don't care if someone's the most uninspiring person possible, but it's important because her entire business model is about playing pretend girlfriend for thousands of lonely men and playing into that fantasy.
That's why she's getting paid. And while nobody sane really expects her to stay a virgin just because she's rinsing men online, I would expect at least some level of decor and respect for the fact that her "fans" are more than just a resource and people that are attached to the idea that she's selling.

But not only does she not care, she would be offended if you even suggested that she's making money off hopeless fantasies of loser men.
She actually thinks of herself as an entertainer. She, who hasn't drawn her model, hasn't rigged her model, plays videogames other people made.
She actually thinks being an emotional prostitute is bringing value to this world and the reason she's making millions is becuase she's just that talented.

>>102752690
You're absoulutely right, moreover, she'd a 2view even as a woman if it wasn't for hololive.Current hololive is trully a cheatcode: it can elevate even the biggest mediocrities.

>>102740434 (OP)
If you're in a whore profession you should die alone and abandoned actually.
We need to start treating whores as the disposable trash they are again.

>>102740487
lmao

>>102745918
>(in fact nimi has always been evry openly in a relationship since day 1) you can't get mad
What an insane position to take. I've said it before. If you would get banned in her community for asking for this information, and you would get banned in her community for spreading this information, this information cannot be considered common knowledge within this community. Shondo is insisting that because you weren't aware of information nobody was allowed to tell you that you're therefore not permitted to feel betrayed.

This just solidifies my belief that Shondo is also in a relationship and she's hiding it. The way she's twisting this justification makes it seem like she would defend herself in the same exact way.

>>102740434 (OP)
Anon, are you both retarded and blind?
Everyone has been posting it for 2 days:
she could have announced she was in a relationship as soon as she went indie, instead she sold a buttload of merch, waited for it not to be refundable, THEN announced the marriage.
I'll give her the benefit of doubt because maybe she was undecided if to announce it or not, but saying "I haven't seen a single solid moral argument" when people are speculating she may have purposedly postponed the announcement for profit is crazy.

>>102740434 (OP)
They can't, she played it right, hell she just might be one of the most moral ones out there.

Willing to sacrifice a lot of future revenue for the sake of not wanting to keep a secret to her fanbase.
If anything she loves and respects her fanbase's intelligence and not be an arrogant bitch to think she can keep her personal life hidden. By keeping it hidden she thinks we are fools and cucks she does not want to think that, she actually respects us so she tells us the truth.

Can anyone here can tell me other female streamers that can do the same? They can't all be single, so they are all insulting your intelligence right now, sucks to be one of their fans, at least I know Nimi respects us her telling us the truth is proof.

>>102752690
I just think she's funny. Idk what to tell you.
>Let me answer this as a sane person that hasn't donated a cent to these whores and only has them as on as background noise when I've got home office.
You sound way too hurt for this to be true lmao

>>102740434 (OP)
The western vtuber scene blends idol and U.S. celebrity cultures. For Japanese the idol industry is heavily associated with sexual "purity", something that never caught on in the West and likely never will because it is perceived by westerners as backwards.

One reason for this cultural difference between Japan and the U.S. was the feminist sexual liberation movement of the 70's, something that never happened to the same extent in Japan.

So who is actually mad about idols "breaking the rules"?
The reeeeeeing probably skews heavily to asian audiences who had an expectation of what "idol" means which westerners like Nimi perceive as backwards.

So for the vocal minority of butthurt fans this "slight" is actually perceived as a full out attack on their culture. For them it is yet another case of westernization and white washing Japanese culture. Nimi profits from dipping into the nipface paint without intending to respect Japanese culture.
>She's wearing a kimono but it's tied in the front.


For me vtubers were always about watching women play video games/cgdct. I barely even watch vtubers anymore I just come here to read inane shitposting and distract from the voices.

The voices tell me that the aliens are arriving soon and Earth will become one giant streaming service that exports human culture over the intergalactic internet. The alien ASI Basilisk will usher in a new world order and what humans think they know now will seem like the stone age compared to our near future in the intergalactic community.

Bzzzzzzzzz end of transmission bzzzzzzz

>>102755184
I just really hate talentless whores that get paid for just being women online. I don't even watch her, I just know of her and I'm here for the drama

>>102754756
No you idiot, why would she piss off merch vendors and concert planners by dropping this new lore and slashing sales?
Merch deal was in the works months tons of man hours with vendors and the manufacturers, the entire supply chain, you self sabotage there you are disappointing alot more people then just your own wallet.
Also what about Doody and her concert? Wonna her hard work too?

THE most moral discussion was to never have planned the merch and refused Doody's concert invitation. BUT that means less money, less subs, starting your new career with gun shot to the foot. She going to use the money to start a family, wholesome shit not to whore around and buy cars and shit.

JUST GET A REAL JOB

How the fuck are people defending grifting

Okay cuck

>>102755450
I remember this youtube video about "the best economic system" and how it shat on capitalism and communism but basically ended up advocating for communism with "better controls this time"
However i think inadvertently ended up saying that a lot of the entertainment industry should be excised with something online the lines of "if an industry can't exist without exploiting workers by paying them little, it shouldn't exist at all". although the example was likely meant to encourage people to focus on building infrastructure, it could also apply to "stop letting these lazy ass streamers eat food without contributing to the infrastructure that produces food"
The woke movement might be asking for "shorter games with worse graphics" but i honestly think the concept at face value isn't wrong, what's the 4th costume with 50 moving parts gonna do for me
lol should i go back to /pol/?

>>102755220
I'm surprise someone finally made a comparison/ differentiation with supported evidence to why celebrity culture in the US is like that compared to idol culture in JP.

>>102755775
something along*
fuck my ESL

>>102755184
>I just think she's funny
try ai voice swapping one of her vods to a male voice and i guarantee you won't last 5 minutes

Take the dick and sap the cum out of my cock

By allah, may nimi be cursed with 3 miscarriages before giving birth to a down syndrome child, then the husband leaves her

>>102756134
There is no such karmic justice in this world.

>>102754756
A moral argument that solely relies on financial speculations isn't solid, and barely classifies as one. Accusing someone of doing something purely for profit is easy to say and impossible to prove. That’s why it’s weak.

>>102740434 (OP)
you overthink this too much to hate on some boogeyman even tho this is an issue that has existed well before Vtubers. men like watching single women stream, once they find out shes in a relationship its just not as fun and you are just a third wheel on top of being a simp, its uncomfortable.

>>102746354
I'm guessing you're still young. You still have time to realize you won't be the exception. Being a good supportive guy WON'T get you laid. You're just here to fund couples lives together while you sit alone on your room thinking you're the guy.

>>102740434 (OP)
i'm not asking her to die alone, i'm asking her to pretend to have only the audience as her companion for the experience. Once she graduates, or if she never mentions it, grtting married is fine
>ablooo blooo but she has to hide her husband
bitch did it for what 3 years as fauna and even more as her PL, what changed? she hid it perfectly well shilling merch, she hid her reasons for graduating from hololive were financial, she hid all sorts of shit while in hololive, but now she NEEDS to get this off her chest for her moral fiber. Just admit that naplings got played by a spiritual jew

>>102756187
Brother, you're neglecting the second and essential part of this argument. You need to supply a more reasonable explanation. Simply stating that one explanation can't be definitely proven isn't an argument. You need to come up with something more profound than the incentive to earn more money which is already a very strong motivator.

>>102740434 (OP)
>You shouldn't die alone to please unicorns
of course not. but you should conclude your vtuber activities and fuck off forever to have your family. Otherwise you end up with a situation like OF

>>102742692
Why not say anything then and milk even more unicorn money? What did she have to gain from saying it?

>>102756307
I won't be repeating what has already been said before in the thread.

>>102755220
>I barely even watch vtubers anymore I just come here to read inane shitposting
This is the true endgame of a vtuber viewer. Anyone who's seen masks off private discussions of vtubers knows they're some of the worst people. It just takes some time to see through the facade and to shake off the cult like communities revering quasi deities. After that, you've found yourself a place to trashtalk and drama post about unlikeable bitches without feeling guilty about it

>>102756461
But you will post saying that you won't repeat yourself. You could have linked to previous posts. Looks to me like you know you painted yourself into a retarded corner and you have nowhere to go.

>>102745720
>Probably because the decision to marry only happened recently

>>102756790
>you didn't autistically indulge in some headcanon schizo rrat?
>well then obviously you were never interested in the truth
Shut the fuck up already.

>>102756890
People would rather believe she's some sort of insane cold and precise manipulator rather than that she's a woman and probably just sent that tweet in a non-specific day where she felt comfortable and in a good mood, hell even it being tweeted on the same day she got proposed is more likely than that

>>102757063
You didn't closely examine her announcement at all. There's no rational way to interpret her announcement as spontaneous.

>>102757063
That's what I believed as well, she got proposed a couple of days/weeks ago and contemplated whether she should announce it at all and she decided which to the dismay of vtuber fans it coincided with the VShojo apocalypse, but that >>102756790 was a little sus. That is unless she said to Kiara she intends to propose and successfully did so a couple of days/weeks ago

>>102756497
That's streamers in general. They should never make that much money, ever.

>>102740487
Grim
Bleak
Vtubing was a mistake.

>>102740434 (OP)
/vt/ is a cuckchad board, so we approve of her decision thoughever.

>>102755262
>I don't even watch her, I just know of her and I'm here for the drama
You and everyone else in these threads. It's so obvious none of you have idea what you're talking about, ever.

>>102756300
I have never spent money on a vtuber and I have a long term girlfriend. I'm 30. I never tip Indians.

>>102756134
Brown

>>102758240
yes i'm afraid its true, the rumor come out, the husband is brown

>>102756452
Because women are emotional and incredibly stupid as a result. They also have a need to one up other girls by humblebragging (I have a hubby and you don't!) She couldn't stop herself from announcing it.

>>102741759
>She didn't say shit after quitting Hololive becauae she wanted to cash out
>Coming out with this news immediately would've eaten into her profits
It's really simple. She wasn't getting married 6 months ago when she redebuted. She's getting married now. If you expected her to come clean about having a partner, you should expect the same out of every other Holo chuuba. But you probably won't because of [insert cope here].
>If people were expecting the same content from Nimi like Fauna's, they're not only NOT going to get that moving forward, but they're getting less of it
Schizo speculation. If Nimi takes the Northernlion approach her streams will remain the same. She might occasionally bring up her kid or relationship or something but that's not so bothersome to most naplings, and the rest will have to grit their teeth and buckle down, or leave.
>The reason it's upsetting isn't because people want her to stay single forever, but because it's fucking Jewish behavior to withhold information until it's inconvenient solely for the sake of making more money
More schizo speculation. Read my first point.

If you thought any of that was argued well, I'm sorry to say you may be a terminal brainlet.

>>102759537
So she's both greedy and conniving, but also honest and stupid? You're a fucking moron and I bet your oshi is getting her back blown out by Chad, you're just not aware of it.

>>102742135
>they would have cut any potential unicorn stuff in the bud from the start
If the "we're not friends" shit didn't scare you off as a unicorn I'm afraid you're severely retarded.

>>102756790
She was talking about what kind of dresses she wishes. This just means, that she has already thought about what she would want from a wedding. However, it does not mean that a proposal and therefore a marriage was set in stone by that point.

>>102759727
The "we're not friends" thing was born from her guilt from being dishonest. She still decided to continue being dishonest until recently. You retards always adopt one of two stances. Either blaming the victims, or trying to twist the definitions of words like "lie", or "GFE".

>>102759869
First off, you're not a victim. This victim complex unicorns have over feeling "betrayed" that their oshi isn't a virtual doll but an IRL woman skinwalking a moving png is ridiculous.
You CHOSE to financially support these women, despite consciously knowing that you'll never have a chance of truly winning their affections. You're practically saying that you lack the self-determination not to pull out your wallet and donate otherwise.

Secondly, you're really misconstruing her words here. What she said was born out of honesty, not dishonesty. Fans are not friends. There can be some overlap in the case of personal friends who are fans, but 99% of the time this is not the case. I'm a fan of Ryan Gosling, but I can't just call him up and go bowling with him because we're not friends.
This is the same case with Fauna. It's actually admirable that she decided to be open with her fans this way.

And again, I have to stress this, but if you were unicorning Fauna after that little trvth nvke, then you're a fucking naive little idiot.

>>102740487
Kek

>>102760106
>you're not a victim.
There it is. Twisting the definition of victim.

>>102760215
How are you the victim?

>>102758093
Are you implying she's funny, talented or entertaining in any capacity other than farming souls of loser men?

>>102740434 (OP)
she could have just retired without announcing it and she'd still be well respected, but no, she did a rugpull whilst leaving.

>>102760234
I'm not. Desperate lonely men are. They're susceptible to a certain kind of manipulation, just like children are naive, retarded people are gullible, and elderly people can be easily conned. If you think it's a child's, retard's, or old person's fault for not "knowing better" you're a psychopath. They're being exploited. These vtubers and corporations know that these men are vulnerable to this kind of manipulation, but they choose to engage with this behavior because it's not only completely legal but also very profitable. But legality is not the same as morality.

If you would be upset at a family member getting lied to and having their life saving's wiped out, then you inherently understand why this behavior is wrong. You have no excuse to defend it. The best you can do is express "I'm a selfish person, and I'm not personally affected, so I don't care about what happens to other people".

>>102760237
Yes

VTubers exist to appeal to lonely men. They effectively sell a fantasy of a relationship to their viewers, albeit to varying degrees. A Vtuber having a relationship is effectively cucking their viewers because that's what their viewers want from them even if it is just a far off fantasy, and VTubers know this.

>>102756301
>but now she NEEDS to get this off her chest for her moral fiber
Yeah, because she is not a two faced bitch that wants to string people along.

How many whores out there that are asking for money but are keeping their fuck boy a secret? Peak of morality right there according to you. I'm sure you make great decisions in life.

>>102760464
>Yeah, because she is not a two faced bitch that wants to string people along.
Oh? Not anymore. Any excuse for everything that happened before?

>>102740434 (OP)
>Makes a career out of playing into a parasocial role
>Constantly mentions how much she loves her viewers
>Sells merch that plays into this dynamic
>Never once addresses the parasocial nature of her community
>Gets a fiancé which was probably there from the beginning
>Continues the aforementioned behavior

>>102759826
She was already proposed to 100%.
Venues and dresses are picked about half a year before the ceremony. This tracks pretty much perfectly. She's probably getting married very soon
>>102760106
Debating agency is not what I really care to do. Obviously people support their streamers out of their own volition. However, I have much more empathy for loser men that have nothing in their life but simulated girlfriend copes than whores that play into that fantasy for fat stacks.
She knows what she's doing, she plays a character.
Her tits jiggle on her model, she giggles like a special needs kid after every sentence, puts on a fake baby voice etc.

What she's doing is completely immoral but people will still defend her because exploiting loser men is funny and "go get your bag girl lol!"

>>102760360
>lonely men are the same as children, the mentally challenged, and senile elderly folk
That's unironically retarded incel logic. So if you fall in a one-sided love with a woman and she rejects you, it's the woman's fault for leading you on? Because this is what the argument here is.
But oh yeah, choosing to donate five bucks a month to watch girls whose content is 99% free in order to win their affections is exactly the same as scamming old people out of their life savings.
This is honestly pathetic. Grown ass men comparing themselves to children and downies. If you were naive enough to think that you would some how win your oshi's heart by paying enough like she was some street whore then you have no one to blame but yourself. A fool and his money are easily parted.

>>102760524
uhhh she was in Hololive?
Bitch you don't just join a corpo and cause drama for your employer and your gen mates right?
Use your brown foot brain
She even went and as far to give 'We are not friends bit'. Clear warning no other Holo mem has yet to do.

>>102760600
She did talk about the parasocial aspect. That's were the "not your friend" came from.

>>102759669
As it turns out, neither being greedy nor honest are permanent states a human being stays in. Humans, particularly women, are very prone to fickle behavior because they highly operate on their current emotion.

>>102760708
>uhhh she was in Hololive?
If someone tells you to kill someone, do you do it thinking you will be free from culpability? She had no moral issue about lying to her audience which is why she agreed to the condition to do so if such a condition existed. Do you understand? She has free will and she chose profit over doing the right thing. Your argument that this behavior is common or enforced by others doesn't work because this is about morality; not popularity.

>>102760421
It's okay cuckling, you don't have to defend her anymore.
I suggest you ai swap her voice to a male and watch that with a black square over her model and see how long you last just like other anon has suggested

>>102740487
I would unironically forgive Nimi if she released a sex tape with a POV cam strapped to her husband while she did GFE ASMR pretending a sapling was having sex with her. I think it'd be an immersive enough experience to pretend it was me having sex and I could go back to watching her. I feel like everyone here feels the same but doesn't want to articulate it.

>>102760683
>I have much more empathy for loser men that have nothing in their life but simulated girlfriend copes than whores that play into that fantasy for fat stacks
These whores are just living their lives, entertaining people mostly for free, and all they ask from their viewers in turn are voluntary donations or subs that most people can just simply ignore. The loser men are ones demanding shit, throwing a fit online, and spreading misinformation when they feel even a little slighted by women. I'd say the latter is more immoral than the former.
So no, I don't feel much empathy for these losers. If they ever felt dissatisfied with their donations, even knowing that said payments would not result in their own personal e-girlfriend, then they have no one to blame but themselves. They made their bed and now they must lie in it.

>>102760785
Her obligation to not causing Cover drama and a PR crisis trumps her sense of morality. I think that would be a fair assessment,

When she became an indie, now she might have had planed merch and to join Dooby's summer concert. I think her obligation to no self sabotage her partnership to the merchant AND the entire supply chain of revenue trumps over her sense of morality. You can be the judge there.

I think her obligation to make sure Doody's summer concert to go smoothly trumps her morality.

And now we are here, no more external obligations and she willingly tells us all.
Now she could keep on lying to us but well well her morality got the better of her. Wow simple logic and understanding cause and effect.

>>102757553
20-40k per year is what I think they should make. You can stream and have a real job, or a part time job, or just stream and that should cover basic living requirements.
Right now most people watch and donate to a small percentage of streamers. It will take a shift in viewer and platform culture for the donations to start spreading out more.
Right now platforms are creating mega streamers by funneling viewers into maximum retention streams.

Could it be that smaller streamers simply aren't good enough to retain viewers? I think the many small 2view gems prove that quality alone isn't being rewarded by the algorithm.

More streamers could make an effort to "raid" smaller channels. Corpos use this to their advantage, Indies do this in a way that is more in line with creating this shift. The most successful streamers tend to want to see noobs succeed like themselves, the fact that they take in such a disproportionate share of the revenue only fuels this.
>>102756497
The dark side of this, the left hand path so to speak, is realizing that streaming is a lucrative business and therefore for every positive influencer there are at least twice as many "negative crabs": the type who run disinfo campaigns against rival corps for example.

In this way the vtuber sphere is a microcosm of the macro influencer - streamer - propagandist economy, complete with all blackmail, sabotage, and big capital interests.

How long into North Korea sponsors their own vtuber company? Is Kim Jong-un the next Yagoo? Who are the Mossad honeypots? follow the lemons... Nimi's choice to write this tweet, while not the first time this has happened in western vtubing, is not even the first "ex-holo" marriage drama, but it is the most public divorce from the idol cultural roots that started the phenomenon.

This marks the shift from Japanese cultural influence to Western values, and with that comes public awareness that "idols" in the West aren't immune to corruption.

>>102760705
>>lonely men are the same as children, the mentally challenged, and senile elderly folk
how about alcoholics, drug addicts, gambling addicts, people in abusive relationships who can't leave, people manipulated in relationships with power imbalance like employees and bosses, people emotionally pressured into sex, people working in poor conditions because they really need the money. All of these include grown people, but they've all been regulated to protect the retards from themselves

>>102761001
>These whores are just living their lives, entertaining people mostly for free, and all they ask from their viewers in turn are voluntary donations or subs that most people can just simply ignore.
Once again, I am not going to debate agency.
It's a spectrum that begins with old demented people getting scammed and ends with grown people making a major life decision after ruminating on it for years.
She's not "just entertaining people". She's not entertaining. She's not funny. She's not talented.
There's no fun to be had, every move she does is calculated to pull on sheltered loser men's heartstrings that have never experienced female affection.
She does not act like a regular woman at all.
She's playing a pretend girlfriend.
You completely ignored how I characterized her because you know that's what her character is tailored towards and that's what the crux of the issue is.

>>102761033
>Her obligation to not causing Cover drama and a PR crisis trumps her sense of morality.
An obligation she agreed to, if such an obligation existed. Nobody held a gun to her head and forced her to lie. You don't get to pass the blame because someone told her "if you lie we'll hire you". If she wasn't okay with lying, she wouldn't have agreed and joined. You're squirming around like a worm.

>I think her obligation to no self sabotage her partnership to the merchant AND the entire supply chain of revenue trumps over her sense of morality
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that her continuing to lie was morally justifiable because it was profitable?

>I think her obligation to make sure Doody's summer concert to go smoothly trumps her morality.
So it's okay to lie because your friends would benefit as well?

>And now we are here, no more external obligations
Now we're here after she's profited as much as she could and no longer needs the support of the men she used to build her career.

>Now she could keep on lying to us
She chose not to because it would become even more inconvenient. She would need to come up with more and more believable lies to explain or excuse her constant long absences and crying baby.

Don't you dare talk to me about simple logic. You're just trying to make up excuses for her lies by saying it was better for her career. You don't know the difference between right and wrong.

>>102761072
So in what way should vtubing be regulated to protect the customers?

>>102760705
>these men aren't being manipulated because reasons
So you're a sociopath. Cool. Your opinion about what is moral doesn't fucking matter.

>>102761072
>lonely men are the same as drug addicts
Here's a difference from you: the lonely men can stop donating of their own volition. Many saplings dropped her during her "we're not friends" speech. Many dropped her when she left Hololive. Many naplings supposedly dropped her when her marriage announcement came out.
If they absolutely hated Nimi but continued to pay her because of brain worms, we'd probably agree, but seeing as they're capable of dropping her just like that, then they're not helpless victims like addicts or abuse cases are. They're naive idiots who got burned by the realization that they've been financially supporting a complete stranger with her own life and priorities outside of her job in entertainment.

>>102761197
What am I supposed to say to this? All of that is either completely subjective or the worst possible schizo misconstructions of her actions.

>>102760360
>>102761072
>It's never my fault! Society, biology, and circumstances outside of my control led me to this! I have no self-determination! Every action I take is at the behest of outside influences and I have no control over my own actions!

>>102761250
Thanks for asking. Once the vtuber starts her career, and every year after that, she must go through a purity check. During the purity check, the vtuber's virginity is confirmed. In addition, a background check is performed to confirm that she doesn't have a boyfriend or male friends. The background check could include things like interviewing her friends and checking her private social media accounts, not sure as I haven't really though about the details. The punishment for failing the purity test must be SEVERE, as it's impossible to confirm the purity with 100% accuracy, so there has to be some way further deter sluts from vtubing. For example, the punishment could be something like every viewer being allowed to rape the impure vtuber without any repercussions.

>>102761250
Every man is given his own personal Vtuber who has to marry him

>>102761250
Just like any other above board charitable organization or effort. If you donate to a charity for giving food & clothing to homeless people in your city, and the charity spent the money on drugs, obviously the donators were deceived. The people responsible are held accountable either financially or criminally. There are certain kinds of lies that are important enough to become legally distinct with varying consequences.

An unreasonable effort to discourage this kind of manipulation or deception would be to give donators a window of time to receive refunds for their donations or purchases after a content creator's deception is discovered and investigated by law enforcement. But something like this would only occur in a fantasy world where fairness is actually enforced so it's unreasonable. The fact is that it's almost impossible to make any consequences for this kind of deception into something that can be actually enforced. The best we're ever going to get is creating a culture of collectively agreed upon public shaming and shunning to discourage this behavior, but unfortunately even that isn't 100% because shameless and greedy women will never stop appearing.

>>102761197
>every move she does is calculated to pull on sheltered loser men's heartstrings that have never experienced female affection
that whole post sounds more like projection rather than a coherent argument

>>102761538
>It's never my fault! Society, biology, and circumstances outside of my control led me to this! I have no self-determination! Every action I take is at the behest of outside influences and I have no control over my own actions!
unironically true

>>102761538
>it's never her fault for lying!
>it's always THEIR fault for believing the lies!
You're beyond saving. This woman actively hates your fucking guts, and you're desperate to continue giving her money.

>>102761543
This would be like kristallnacht or the great purge for VTubers

>>102761606
>lies
Did you honestly believe she was really a baku nurse or something? lmfao
Or was it that you believed that she was your girlfriend and yours alone out of hundreds of thousands?

>>102761662
>trying to distort the definition of lie
see
>>102759869

>>102761713
Alright I'll bite. What's the lie here? Because the transactional relationship between viewer and streamer has always been pretty transparent to me.

>>102740487
FPBP.

>>102761586
>>102761394
Here, let's play watch together! I clicked on her latest solo stream and we can play a little game.
https://www.youtube.com/live/eURCqXczPoQ?si=zSsuPH7-u_Ti8XKv&t=570
Watch this for three minutes and let's do a little homework.
Point out to me
>the funny
>the entertaining
>the talent

Meanwhile here's mine
>doesn't act like a normal person at all
>fake voice, whiney helpless inflection
>jiggly model tits, with panty teasing
>giggles like a retard

>>102761394
>seeing as they're capable of dropping her just like that, then they're not helpless victims like addicts or abuse cases are
Some are, but some are not. Not everyone gets addicted to drugs either despite trying them. I doubt there's any research done about the addictive properties of vtubers, so it's hard to say

>>102740434 (OP)
All this stupid bitch has to do is be cute on stream, play games and maybe sing or whatever if she wants. She has no reason to announce her relationship status to the world if she's playing a role.

>>102761576
Okay, so let's say a Vtuber is selling merch. You pay money and get a plushy or standee for it. Then we have memberships. You pay the membership and gain access to emotes and members only streams. Those are two examples for income avenues, where you pay for something that is explicitly stated and get that something in return.

If he isn't white I will rope.

>>102761744
Please recite for me, without looking it up, your perception of the concept "lie through omission". Include an example if you can.

>>102761878
And she is still doing just that. Her marital status has no bearing on that.
But if she were to stream less because of life circumstances, that would be the reason for it.
People are free to drop her for that. No one is forced to follow and watch.

>>102761903
Money for memberships would be easier to refund. Just like software. Even if you had access to it temporarily, you forfeit access to it after a refund is issued. For things like merch it would be more complicated. Still possible, but much more time consuming. The understanding is that if the refunds aren't processed or handled in a timely and accurate manner that the talent would be susceptible to lawsuits. Like I said, it's unreasonable to litigate. Technically possible, but not feasible in reality.

>>102741672
Facts

>>102762000
>it's never her fault for lying through omission
>it's always THEIR fault for believing her lies through omission
This is how stupid you sound. What's the lie through omission here? That's she's a single woman? A Canadian woman in her late 20s to early 30s with a confirmed bodycount and one confirmed relationship is single. Grow the fuck up, dumbass. Most of Hololive are not single and not virgins. If you believed otherwise you deserve to be "tricked".

>>102762152
You are not doing what I asked you to do. You expect me to argue with you in good faith but you're not meeting me in the middle.

>>102740434 (OP)
OP it's been almost 200 posts and I'm not reading all that shit. Did you get a satisfying answer yet?

>>102761827
>the funny
it's pretty funny how the cucklings in the chat are trying to act normal while internally seething
>the talent
being able to speak normally while her boyfriend's cock is penetrating her
>the entertaining
closing the stream

>>102762196
You wanted me to give you my definition of a "lie through omission" and an example of it like you're a lit professor giving out homework. I just cut through your bullshit and now you're acting like I'm the one arguing in bad faith. Fuck off.

This board is so mentally ill that I feel anons in other boards are normal at this point

>>102762043
I'm not following her anyways, but if she doesn't want to stream, then she simply doesn't have to stream. I don't care what the reason is and announcing her relationship is something she didn't need to do in the first place. Vtubers go on breaks/ stream less all the time and often they don't divulge into it beyond simply saying they either don't feel like it, health issues or they need a vacation. I don't need to know beyond that because I've got my own life to live anyways. Announcing her marriage is unnecessary information and breaking the role she is playing.

>>102762369
VTubers only exist because of the male loneliness epidemic, no shit the board focused on them is a dumpster fire.

>>102761237
Now if your argument here is if she is a liar or not, then, in a black and white world yeah, I'll admit to that she lied, By omission mostly.
But the world is not black and white, people kinda need a thing called money, even you!
So I go back to my arguments here >>102761033 she chooses not tell the truth because PEOPLE, everyone needs money.

Is that then morally wrong? You can be the judge of that given we also live in a world where you needs money. Feelings don't bring food to the table, and quite soon she has more mouths to feed.

Is she a saint? No, no one is, but she is a lot better than most though, you really believe every female streamer is single? Every second that passes by when they don't tell their fans the truth makes Nimi morally better than all of them. She choose a financial hit to all future revenue because the morally right thing to do is to tell the truth. I don't see any other bitches dropping lore, because they keep on choosing money over morality.

Look if all you want to say is she is a liar yeah go ahead technically yeah, but fucking everyone is a technically a liar then. The world is not simple, being successful in this world is not done through charity I hope you understand that.

>>102762297
You're still avoiding a simple request because you can easily see how it will pin you into a corner you won't be able to rationally escape from. You know what it means to lie through omission, and you know that she is guilty of doing it.

She knew that she was in a relationship.
She knew that members of her audience care very deeply about whether she is in a relationship or not.
She knew that if those members of her audience believed she was not in a relationship they would be more financially generous and supportive towards her.
She deliberately and thoughtfully chose to avoid being truthful. She perpetuated a misunderstanding and profited off of that misunderstanding.

This is a clear cut example of a lie through omission, complete with the obvious motive.

>>102740434 (OP)
>They’re embarrassing themselves in this case by acting like she "owed them celibacy"
Doing the "not owed anything" approach is a bit self defeating because in that framework she isn't owed the money she was getting and now she will see get to be on the other end of not owed anything mentality.

You are fine with her now losing 90% of income and finding a job where she doesn't rely on unicorns, right?

>>102762435
>yes she lied
>but I don't care because...
>it didn't personally affect me
>other people do it too
>and money is important
You have plenty of sympathy for her, but no fucking sympathy for the people she deceived? Stop making excuses. All you needed to do was say you don't care and end it at that. The rest is cope.

>>102761836
>I doubt there's any research done about the addictive properties of vtubers
there is, more or less. look up the research on OnlyFans, which basically has the same business model for the type of people who get addicted to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxGRqZWdc5U

>>102762217
No, the unicorn mindbreak will continue until the next high school gossip tier "drama" they can cry about comes along

>>102762479
I wonder how much her income will be affected. All the chuds have dumped her, but the mainstream consensus is positive. I predict every simp who's sending his best wishes right certainly feels the same pit in his stomach at being NTR'd and will eventually lose interest. Her channel will keep growing, but she's probably losing most of her biggest customers.

>>102762522
No, I don't have sympathy for you why the fuck will I care about a parasocial fuck?
Why you all come on the internet seeking sympathy? Fucking talk to Grok and chatGPT they will always pat you in the head. I live in the real world not some fantasy where I think a PNG thinks she likes me.

Cope? Cope for what? I'm happy for her and think she made sound financial and at the end let us down gently with the truth.

>>102762442
>She deliberately and thoughtfully chose to avoid being truthful.
>She perpetuated a misunderstanding and profited off of that misunderstanding.
Just shut the fuck up already. Pic rel. Also her "lie of omission" no longer rings true as she disclosed her fucking wedding announcement to her fans. Every other point you made can be applied to 90% of every vtuber and streamer out there so unless you hold them to the same standard then you have no leg to stand on. Of course, I don't see you boiling in rage over, say, Azki or IRyS who are confirmed in relationships (iykyk) but pay lip service to their fans and tell outright lies instead of ones in omission.

>>102761827
>wait it's a duet? but I'm just me
kek there's your funny, not even 30 seconds in

>>102762702
Nta but you really are so cucked lmao

>>102762544
Replace onlyfans with nimi and you get the average cuckling. It's sad

>>102762217
most of the answers here are people too emotionally immature to process their feelings in constructive ways so instead they resort to projection, name-calling, schizo rrat crafting and general seethe

>>102762522
>You have plenty of sympathy for her, but no fucking sympathy for the people she deceived?
Yes

>>102740487
Cucklings will never live this down.

>>102762744
how's that funny? do you have brainworms?

>>102762716
>Also her "lie of omission" no longer rings true as she disclosed her fucking wedding announcement to her fans
You're so fucking obnoxious. Admitting to a crime doesn't make the police or the criminal justice system go "aww damn, we almost had him, but he admitted to it so that means no wrongdoing occurred and no punishment is necessary". Coming clean does not grant you absolution.

>Every other point you made can be applied to 90% of every vtuber and streamer out there
Yes. I never implied that Nimi's case was an isolated incident you fucking moron. I'm aware that it's commonplace. That doesn't make it justifiable or right.

>I don't see you boiling in rage over, say, Azki or IRyS who are confirmed in relationships (iykyk) but pay lip service to their fans and tell outright lies instead of ones in omission.
The relationship isn't the problem. Lying is the problem. You're trying to pull the conversation into something unrelated.

>>102740434 (OP)
You're right, she should be a victim of domestic abuse. Fingers crossed!

>>102762369
I've heard /trash/ vtuber threads are worse

>>102762822
I'm not gonna spell it out to you retard. Figure out the funny yourself

>>102762747
Thanks for that rebuttal, looks like you got nothing more to say.
Have fun with Waifu Grok, Elon will let you put a Fauna skin on it if you pay him monthly

>>102740434 (OP)
It isn't morally wrong. But anons would argue until they were blue in the face that nothing like this was happening and she was always honest and upfront.
Being dishonest and not upfront is morally wrong however, whatever the facts are. She carefully planned a lot of things and rushed it through, most likely for profit, which is a reasonable assumption. Then she announced the marriage after her live concert. It would be extremely naive to suggest that she withheld this information oblivious to what some of her fans would think about it.
That is immoral behavior. The announcement and getting married is not.

>>102742412
Weird how she's been lying to her fans for years then

>>102762702
>No, I don't have sympathy for you
I wasn't one of her viewers. And you're admitting that you're extremely biased and this nullifies the validity of your opinion.
>Why you all come on the internet seeking sympathy?
Once again I wasn't a victim. I'm pointing out what she did wrong because assholes like you are trying to spread lies as though she was innocent and nobody suffered as a result of her decisions.
>I'm happy for her
Definitely a cuckling. If you haven't developed any sort of self-respect or pride as a man by now you never will. Your life is a doomed existence.

>>102762702
>Fucking talk to Grok and chatGPT they will always pat you in the head
They aren't good enough yet. It's gonna take years until you can replace human relationships with them

>>102740434 (OP)
>I still haven’t seen a single solid moral argument as for why Nimi's marriage announcement was something wrong.

Because it ruins the unwritten contract of a vtubing idol. They dedicate their time on stream to us and spend it with us, allowing us some cozy escapism without reminding us of the dreary real life shit out there (their partners, their religious beliefs, their opinions on politics, etc.) and in exchange we are here for them, cheering them on, watching them, giving them money, going to their concerts and cons.

It's a symbiotic relationship, they benefit from us and we benefit from them, because we get a few hours of happiness.
By announcing this as Nimi Nightmare the vtuber she made it officially part of her lore and on topic, it's not even some sekrit rm knowledge that is taboo to mention.

And that is what a lot of people simply do not want out of their vtubing, can you fault them for that? There are many other vtubers who will not do this, so they can just move on and watch those instead if Nimi fails to provide what they want.

>>102745918
>openly in a relationship
lol ok shondo
She's gonna have such a huge yab when her secret bf is revealed

>>102762835
Answer me this. Did she ever once explicitly say that she was single and available for courtship by internet strangers or was that just something that you and many other ITT assumed and misconstrued as a lie of omission because she never outright confirmed her relationship status? And before you even try, no, karaoke love songs don't count and neither do company mandated voice pack dramas. If I have to explain why then you're completely hopeless.

>>102762971
It's gonna be Holodomor for foids once we get robowaifus

>>102756187
Shut up faggot you aren't a lawyer and this ain't a court room

>Mever sold rings
>Never sold daki
>"We cannot be friends, I'm just a silly entertainer who plays games"
>No one ever actually asked her if she was single, so it's not lying by omission because she never even had to ignore the question
I'm not sure what her audience was expecting desu

>>102763061
>Did she ever once explicitly
If you think a technicality is going to change anything you're retarded. You know what a lie through omission is. You know you're victim blaming.

Donating to someone while being deceived is not morally wrong.
Deliberately deceiving someone is morally wrong.
The blame lies on the immoral.

>>102761836
>I doubt there's any research done about the addictive properties of vtubers, so it's hard to say
Personally I don't even care about addiction. If you make a thought experiment about a world where there are no lonely sexless males would vtubers even be a thing? Of course not. This whole industry was built on exploiting lonely men.

>>102763001
>It's a symbiotic relationship, they benefit from us and we benefit from them
This does not compute with western ewhores. They don't give a shit about the other side of the equation. It's all about them and getting validation for everything they say and do.

>>102763134
Brownfeet are like that anon, too hot in shit hole and too many cocks no not enough holes to stick them in

>>102763213
Alright so it was all just assumptions then. I think >>102763134 summed it up nicely. Thanks for playing.

Also I will defer you to my original post >>102761538

>>102762716
>Pic rel
I wonder if there ever was a single person who heard a streamer say "we are not friends" and instantly stopped watching. It is a pretty great tool to have plausible deniability though. In general this whole shtick about us all being responsible adults who know that those are just "talents" that "perform" is probably the most distrusting thing about the whole industry. Nobody who says this cares, it is just a shield. If a single one of them that is successful card about it she would stop streaming because it is not hard to see what kind of people are watching you.

>>102763246
The thing that bothers me is that they'll want to have their cake and eat it too. Nimi's career will suffer from this and the fans will be blamed as if Nimi/Fauna is still entitled to her customer's money after destroying the product she had been selling.

>>102763313
>heh, you didn't follow me down my retarded, irrelevant rabbit hole
>that means I win
My points still stand. You're trying to play word games and blame victims over and over.
Please refer to >>102759869 once again. You have nothing else in your cuck playbook.

Is it so much to ask for people to keep their private life private? I don't care if you're married, I don't care about your personal life at all, why bring it up

I wish the vtuber culture in general would be pushed in a direction where everyone peer pressures orbiters to continue supporting after they find out that the girl has a boyfriend/husband/kid on the way. Sort of like forcing the cucks to keep pretending that they are responsible and weren't watching just because are lonely and their fucked up brains tricked them into thinking that maybe one day she will be your girlfriend.

>>102763388
>If a single one of them that is successful card about it she would stop streaming because it is not hard to see what kind of people are watching you.
Exactly. It's kind of the Lorax. They'll come up with justifications all day for their exploitative, destructive business practices, but they'll never stop because all they really want is money and fame.

>>102763507
She has been doxed, hard doxed, at least twice. It would come out eventually. Better to hear it from her then some fag dumping the info

>>102763388
>>102763525
Make no mistake about the "not friends" speech or the marriage announcement.
Whereas for the latter, there was an element of bragging, the primary objective of both actions was to absolve herself morally of anything.
And she wasn't trying to be a good person, she just wanted to convince herself that she's not exploiting losers.

It's the woman alibi and anyone who has dealt with women before knows this instantly.
If she was serious about not being a GFE streamer and had a moral compass she wouldn't play the character she does.

>>102763423
It's her money incel scumbag. She has a right to it.

>>102740434 (OP)
Because flirting or chatting up with women who are taken is wrong, so it's rude of a woman to withhold that kind of information for long. The reason it's wrong is because that behaviour is infused in all men from birth by the natural law of God to preserve the nuclear family and the common good.

OK EVERYONE RIGHT NOW, ARE YOU A VIRGIN? YES OR NO, BY NOT TELLING US YOU ARE LYING BY OMISSION AN THUS DESERVE THE SAME FATE AND NIMI!

WHO WILL BE THE MORAL BASTION ON THE INTERNET?

>4chan
>lecturing anyone on ethics

>>102763775
>there was an element of bragging
You are actually mentally unwell. I don't even agree with what she's doing but you are seriously mentally unwell if you took that tweet as bragging.

>>102763827
I am a virgin and I will die a virgin. Not so hard to say it.

>>102763827
Pay me $500 and I'll tell you.

>>102763872
Greedy fuck, can I interest you in a career in vtubing?

>>102763940
It's just business.

Can you even call yourself a victim if literally everyone warns you that these women all have bfs?

I have seen the future of en vtubing. It belongs to people like Dokibird and Nimi.

>>102764032
It's not immoral to be stupid.

>>102763827
In Nimi's case, her being single and pure is integral to the fantasy she sells her lonely viewers. Not telling her viewers her relationship status was a calculated, dishonest decision to not jeopardize the product she was selling.

>>102764072
And yet the world would be a better place if all the stupid people died off. So maybe it is immoral.

>>102764032
Buyer beware, but blame still lies on the scammer rather than the scammed.

>>102764068
VTubing probably doesn't have much of a future. If you want an anime girl to simp for, AI will do a much better job.

>>102764262
You're confusing morals and ethics now, but still unethical. You're endorsing eugenics. We're not in such a dire situation globally that our collective survival requires the extermination of certain kinds of people. So the lack of necessity makes the act elective, and therefore selfish.

>>102764032
First of all anyone calling themselves a victim over this is a massive bleeding vagina.
That said the women who participate in cultivating simps are always given some moral high ground and I'll never get it. This whole industry is built on deceit and the money of the mentally disabled. I don't believe most vtubers are good people. Vtubers are like Indian scam callers and autistic simps are the old people handing over their credit card number. Everyone sees its a scam but it doesn't matter because they know they'll always have suckers.

>>102764690
>Vtubers are like Indian scam callers and autistic simps are the old people handing over their credit card number.
I slightly disagree because I don't see a indian scam call center having shareholders? But not even my main point of contention. Vtubers are like Indian scam call centers, but I don't think they are seen as such. Normies just think it is a weird thing nerds are into and they probably don't dig deeper. I would bet most of them don't even consider a scenario where a guy sends 200$ for a superchat because he has feeling for the avatar and the girl behind the avatar.

>>102764072
Sure but I've seen people asking for sympathy here in this thread.

>>102764690
Sure, when I think about this industry this clip from Pomu always comes to mind:
>https://youtu.be/QEcugV3VtMA?t=3105

But at same time what industry isn't exploitative in this world? I think it is okay to indulge in a bit of escapism as long as you're self-aware but if you can't do that, turning your back and running away as far as you can from vtubing and parasocial relationships is the best thing you can do.

>>102764974
Don't confuse sympathy with respect. I don't respect disgusting simps that put their trust in the wrong woman. But I have sympathy for them. I've been in love before. Didn't work out. Many times. If you can't empathize with this, you're either very very young, or very very lucky.

>>102764690
Wow a reasonable person, so what is your take on Nimi then?
At the end of the day she willingly told us the truth. 6 months after going indie, after securing her financial future.

>>102765180
What the fuck is this, she already secured her future as Fauna. Are you fucking braindead.

Like fucking hell did you know she actually had to pay the mocap studio for Virtual Vacation because oshispark didn't pay for it?

>>102765354
Not an argument.

>>102765047
I have sympathy for them being sad and stepping away but I have a hard time having it for people lashing out and immediately moving to another vtuber, thinking things are completely different with this one.

>>102765047
Interesting points of view, respect vs sympathy, you've somewhat changed my mind. I don't respect these whiners, but sympathy for thinking they've been betrayed, huh.


But to be betrayed and then to seek companionship to vtubers, that is loser behaviour man, don't cross that line you need help.

>>102765426
How is it not an argument. She didn't secure shit that wasn't already secured. It just gave her extra. How the fuck did you ignore the year and a half posting of "SHE NEVER REINVESTED INTO HER CONTENT BECAUSE SHE NEVER DID A 3D LIVE BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT HER FANS"
If she did none of that she had money. Lots of money. Because she was like 3rd overall merch seller, 4th until FWMC for over 2 years.

>>102765438
Ok, maybe I have a little bit of sympathy but fuck man have some fucking self-respect.

>>102765456
It would be nice if they would learn from their mistakes.

>>102765529
If you accepted a second paycheck after receiving your first, then clearly you understand that receiving some money does not mean that more money isn't desired. What a horse shit argument you tried to present.

>>102740434 (OP)
Probably been said before here a million times, but you can keep your private life private. Don't shit where you eat and appear to be available but don't be available (stripper's law). That's how easy it is. You can get away with sexy ASMR and banging your spouse every night, if you just keep both worlds apart. Most women go for the ego-boost that comes with cucking people, though. Both spouse and fanbase.

>>102765354
You don't know her finances no one of us knows
If she had to pay for her own mocap then even more reason to bank as much as she can if mocap shit is super expensive, why did you bring that point up? Or are you saying she must be rich to pay for it?

Then is she a greedy bitch that wants to suck all cuck money? or is she a rich bitch that doesn't need your money which is it?
Either way she is rich enough to be willing to slash her future sales to tell everyone that she is super happy.

Mods keep banning me for my genuine posts.
For the sake of lonely men, let them read this:
Every vtuber has a bf/husband. NOT trolling.
Better safeguard yourself than be sorry when you inevitably find out.
The same way you drink alcohol moderately to not destroy your body, you can take GFE without forgetting it's an E(xperience). If you take it too far, you will destroy your mind.
The only true, pure relationship you can have, is with a fictional 2D character. The only way you're getting a fictional character out of a vtuber, is if you separate the character played on screen, with the voice actress voicing the character. Don't fall for the 3D.
Conflating the voice actress with the character was a mistake, both from the viewers, and the vtubers.
This will be my last post about this topic on /vt/, as I get tired easily of people willingly hurting themselves, and rather watch the world burn from the sidelines at this point.

>>102763827
Only 1 person admits it in 1 hour

All you people talking about lying by omission, tsk tsk, hypocrisy I say!

I asked you a question! You choose to ignore it?! Lying by omission!
What is so hard? Simple yes or no, withholding information!? Lying by omission!
Wait! Could it be that you think I'm unhinged? And wish to not give me audience?! Lying by omission!

You are no better than the evil bitch you are accusing! Liars all of you! And god damn it from what I'm reading here you guys really really hate liars!

>>102763827
We need to have a parasocial relationship first so buy my membership for a few months then I'll announce it on social media.

>>102765877
This

>>102740434 (OP)
No moral arguments against her announcing her marriage.
However, there is a MORAL IMPERATIVE to clown the cucks who would still fund her and her husband's honeymoon

>>102766199
Based

Does anybody know if this has already had an impact on views or donations?

>>102766199
all the napcucks ran away to hugbox tower aside from a few irregulars here that are basically pic related

>>102741381
it's been around, just unpopular. i remember a few years ago tourists raided a jp nsfw asmr chuuba's stream because she did an NTR one. it'd be funny if nimi ever went that route

>>102764690
>>102764874
nah, vtubing is more like the gacha industry. they throw chum in the water with free content but the actual goal is to cast a line and hook the people with some kind of mental weakness and not enough self control. so it's wild to see the whole community watch them shill Uma Musume without batting an eye.
>>102765180
nta but the whole marriage thing isn't the issue. taking money from strangers in exchange for superficial validation itself is what's immoral.
having their life put under a microscope and getting crashed out on for whatever random reason is just the price they pay for being a celebrity in general.

>>102766576
>so it's wild to see the whole community watch them shill Uma Musume without batting an eye.
Why? As you said it is the same thing basically. Unless you mean they should be afraid that people will leave and start giving money to gacha instead of whores behind the avatar?

>>102765877
>Mods keep banning me for my genuine posts.
It is because you are disrupting the scam in progress.

>>102766860
yeah I wasn't clear. I was alluding to the whole loot box controversy a few years back, how everybody agreed that relying on gambling addiction as a business model wasn't great and a bunch of laws regulating it got passed. and here we are now with loot boxes but Japanese teaming up with parasocial addiction and nobody has a problem with it.

>>102761836
>addicted to drugs
It's probably closer to gambling addiction.
I'll even argue that 'vtuber addiction' is stronger than 'gambling addiction'.
I can stop myself from spending money on gacha, but the crippling-loneliness always gets me back into wanting to hear a Woman's voice - it calms down the existential dread.

>>102767506
It is ok because it only happens to losers. And they deserve it.

>>102740434 (OP)
of course you don't need to die alone, you can always graduate

>>102767551
According to my criteria you qualify as a loser, and I've determined you deserve to get the shit kicked out of you. Do you agree?

>>102767930
Yes. Now what?

>>102767953

Her ASMRs were decent, but i guess her stud prohibited her from doing those, so in turn she has had 0 value for a few years now.

>>102768524
I hope Little lore drop! becomes a meme

>>102752690
if i want to listen to a woman in english, that is also funny she's one of the funniest i know. Not hilarious like Pippa or Tenma, but they're also very loud, so don't really fit as a background noise. I'm open to being proven wrong

>>102768619
Little lore drops that define Schrödinger's condom state.

I hate knowing that I'll die alone

>>102752690
>And while nobody sane really expects her to stay a virgin just because she's rinsing men online, I would expect at least some level of decor and respect for the fact that her "fans" are more than just a resource and people that are attached to the idea that she's selling.
Please cuck me behind my back.....

>Not GFE
>Oh but LL doesn't count
As Fauna she also acted yandere so often, that was her thing. She gave chu~s to her saplings, gave hugs in her ASMRs, and has called her audience 'sweetheart' in at least one of her ASMRs. She calls you 'darling' in one of her voice packs. She did that deep mommy ara ara voice.
Even as Nimi she added a yandere part to a cover that the original song never even had.

She knew exactly what she was doing, even if she didn't explicitly say she's your GF as Fauna, she's aware of the suggestive romantic undertones of her whole character and of her ASMR as she had been doing it for so long before she was even Fauna and she benefited greatly from it, especially in her ASMR, as her ASMR vids make up almost all of her most viewed Fauna videos and streams.

Only those autistic enough to be utterly incapable of reading between the lines, those who have barely ever watched Fauna, or leddit simps who think women can do no wrong can seriously believe she was never GFE.
You could make the not GFE argument for Holomems like Biboo, but Fauna is literally the most GFE Vtuber in all of Hololive and not just some funny gamer streamer or someone who happens to sexualize herself from time to time.

>>102769232
>She gave chu~s to her saplings, gave hugs in her ASMRs, and has called her audience 'sweetheart' in at least one of her ASMRs. She calls you 'darling' in one of her voice packs. She did that deep mommy ara ara voice.
This is art. Please act like a grown man and realize that she isn't your girlfriend.

>>102742412
>keep lying to her fans
anon she uses
>a fake voice
>a fake name
>says she's a magical tapir who eats dreams
motherfucker she's selling a fantasy, an escape for 2 hours at a time when she streams shut the fuck up man

>>102769232
This is true and retards will say "but but but on lemonleaf she had her BF on"
yeah she was a bitch for doing that, for doing GFE and then bringing her BF on over and over

>>102769232
Fauna really leaned hard into GFE adjacent content. Nothing as explicit as Rushia, but only a step or two below. Unless you're a total cuck, you have to admit that Nimi is at least a bit scummy.

>>102769232
Like half of those was after she had an actual boyfriend, by the way, which she had said on that channel (now deleted because of the seethe that followed on her debut as Fauna l). Those were ROLEPLAY dude. It's fucking fanservice. She has never ever entertained being actual GFE, she had said otherwise on stream and you know this because a fucking clip of it was circulating for YEARS

>>102740434 (OP)
The problem is when women try to use the false image of being single to get money from single men. That's why they always hide it, because they know they have to be sneaky and deceptive or else they won't be able to take money from other people. Being morally consistent would mean either acting single and being single, or acting like you're in a relationship and being relationship. Not acting like one but being the other, that's called deception. The only reason this would need to be explained to someone is if they have no morals because it is logically simple and blatantly obvious, so it's clear you don't have any.

being a female vtuber is gfe by nature, there's no reason to watch them otherwise.

>>102769834
But she isn't acting single. Her relationship status is not relevant to her content, which is just streaming games and saying goofy stuff.

>>102769232
Let it go anon...she doesn't need (you)r kind anymore, that was what her announcement was about.

>>102769998
Because it's an impossible question to ask. Nobody can flat out ask them that, she can avoid it and ignore it forever. It's her responsibility to bring that up if it's something she feels morally obligated to mention because she's obviously benefiting from it by all of the donations and messages of affection.

>>102740434 (OP)

>Little lore drop!
Have any of you napcucks imagines curvy motherly body getting defiles by a big cock plowing me relentlessly sowing his seed in me until I am impregnated? Well thats what is happening just wanted to update you tee hee

>>102770600
These thots just want to have their cake and eat it too

>>102770600
it's just an engagement baiting 2 view who tweets more than she streams
https://x.com/itsmisasoup/status/1949176571690185082
>uuuu I got cat called for existing
yeah man everyone clapped too I bet

>>102770600
>german vtuber
>she's turkish
well, well, well

>>102770600
This is Nimi's new audience btw

>>102770154
She doesn't have superchats on.

>>102772036
This isn't the gotcha you think it is and it doesn't absolve her of anything to turn off superchats
She just doesn't want to read them and have superchat catchup streams

So... why even watch hololive anymore, when there is zero plausible deniability about the boyfriend question?

>>102772100
It is a great avenue of income. I mean really what does she make? 5$ of membership a month per member and the one merch run in the beginning. The concert was a joint project with others.

>>102772381
>she only had an extremely popular and profitable concert!
brother you are genuinely so far gone if you think she made barely anything from the concert and merch

>>102772236
You don't if the boyfriend question is a dealbreaker for you. For anyone else you just enjoy the streams, music, events and what else they put out.

>>102772446
I don't think she didn't make bank with that. But those are real products people received for their money and not just a little nod.

>>102772471
>For anyone else you just enjoy the streams, music, events and what else they put out.
Dunno how to break it to you but all that is kinda.... mid... The whole industry is built on men being romantically attracted to those women. It is like a magical spice that turns this otherwise mid stuff into something good. It is like when someone you know plays an instrument or something.

>>102772471
>just enjoy the streams, music, and events
Nimi is terrible at games, has very poor banter, and can't sing or dance for shit
besides her mommy voice and GFE asmr what else is there legitimately? She built her entire career off the "uuuu I miss mommy fauna" shit