>2 karaoke streams in less than 4 weeks
It's time to have some uncomfortable conversations about hololive.

>>102756532 (OP)
Who? Is she an indie whore?

>>102756532 (OP)
Wow, 2 streams in 4 weeks.

>>102756532 (OP)
She got poached by Vshojo. That's why she stopped streaming while working for Hololive.

>>102756532 (OP)
Why?
It was never a secret that she wasn't happy there.
Doesn't mean the company has done anything terrible. They simply increased their workload substantially after going public.
And by workload, I don't mean streaming. I mean idol shit, mandatory promotion and mandatory recordings for various shows and specials.
Maybe not every holomem was happy to have to fly to Japan several times a year to record stuff. Especially when they may have family at home.

I wonder if she fell for Gunrun promises.

>>102756532 (OP)
I tried watching her and it just kind of boring. I think her constant hiatus and comeback streams made her seem like a bigger deal, either that or Hololive actually made her do better.

>>102756637
>Maybe not every holomem was happy to have to fly to Japan several times a year to record stuff. Especially when they may have family at home.
Gura was perfectly happy leaving her family to fly to Sweden

>>102756532 (OP)
VShojo isn't around to pay you anymore

>>102756678
>women are boring whores when left to their own devices
Who would have thought.

>>102756637
>Especially when they may have family at home.

>>102756635
That gunrun follow.. the writing is on the wall

>>102756693
>one time flight for a vacay trip to family you havent seen for a while
VS
>constant trips to japan for work
if these two are equal to you, please contact the closest adult, and tell them that you lost your wrangler

>>102756608
she's my indie whore :)

>>102756722
Didn't say that, but you keep your incel energy i guess

Everyone puts effort in when they debut, they need to build up their memberships again.
The question has always been how long would it last until she's comfortable enough with her income to go back to only streaming when she needs more condom money.

>>102756885
You didn't say that because you're a pussy troon cuck.

>>102756532 (OP)
After kson and Mint poisoned her mind Gunrun paid her huge sums to keep her from streaming in holo and to act like it was hell.

>>102756630
How many has nerissa the singer done

>>102756894
2 more weeks retard

>>102756532 (OP)
we can't have that conversation though because [metaphysical goalpost in a quantum superposition inside of a non-euclidean subplanar space]

>>102756799
Is she like half Swedish or something? Heard she used to have swedish bf but that was 6 years ago. The way she talks about her health is concerning sometimes.

>>102756532 (OP)
More interesting question is, why Shion went straight to Nacho while she got such a mediocre Twitch vtuber design?

Nobody ITT has watched her
She always does this. It's way too early to say she's back to consistently streaming for good.
I'd love for it to be true but c'mon lol

>>102757288
Well, Ame lasted almost 3 months

>>102757373
>Falling for the totally real health issues
You idiots will never learn

>>102757452
She didn't have this energy for any of her returns in 2023 2024

>>102757373
Yeah she got a different bf after then, I've got his Steam tag in a file.
She doesn't seem to have any interest in marriage though, just taking dick and playing duo queue while OP pays for it.

>>102757481
Define energy? I'm just saying she's done it way too many times for people to be calling it already.

Not really she likes her freedom to do her own shit at her own pace. Cover is a company with a corporate structure they move at their pace and everyone needs to fall in line.

If anything she should have been allowed to Gorilla more often but I think she ended up trapped in eternal work meeting hell because everything she did was a major event. I'm not gonna blame Cover for trying to maximize their biggest talent for profits. On the same not they should have been more flexible with her but corpo gonna corpo.

>>102757540
She never did two karaokes in one month before

People are allowed to change jobs without it becoming some massive moral quandary

>>102757625
Changing jobs is a moral quandary.

>>102757452
Redebuting is quite different from simply returning from a hiatus.
A redebut is a huge motivational boost. She wants to show everyone (and herself) that she can do it. Of course she'd go hard early on, even tweeting a bunch and dropping community posts and all.

The question is if she can keep it up. If she can still keep that up some 3+ months into her saba career then good for her, but if it fizzles out and she goes on longer and longer breaks with bigger gaps between streams then it's just her going back to how she always was.
People think a fresh start fixes all your problems the same way moving across the country might, but many of the problems you have are self made. And they will follow you.

>>102756637
Yeah gura was clearly very overworked. She put out so many recordings, voice packs, songs and participated in so many 3D streams. No wonder she had no time to stream games or communicate with her fans at all

>>102757758
this

>>102757758
Like half of her streams have been different games than she announced every single time, she is a woman and doesn't know how she will feel about playing a game in two hours. It was always about perms.

>>102757758
I legitimately cannot name you any of those
What concerts was she part of other than Shion and Okayu birthday lives? She had no voice packs
Maybe the Fauna maid ASMR?

>>102757865
He was being sarcastic if you couldn't tell.
Gura was either lazy, too stressed to stream, or have problem in her real life that prevents her from streaming regularly, but we'll never know which one it is until it comes out of her own mouth, which is very unlikely.

>>102756532 (OP)
She needs money. Compared to hololive where she earned money even without doing anything, this time she needs to do something before she can earn money.

>>102757452
Not true. I watched her dmc5 playthrough, skipped to the final boss, saw she couldn't learn to use the buster and that was enough

>>102758174
You watch a female play a game and get angry that she is behaving female? Maybe watch male tubers then nigger?

>>102758062
>too stressed to stream
That's about it.

>>102756532 (OP)
Incoming "I am getting married" Stream.
Print screen this.

>>102756532 (OP)
Bijou won

>>102758620
...the having no character award. A single stream of saba has more content than the entirety of bijous career. Bijou is one piece. Saba is berserk.

>>102756532 (OP)
>about Hololive
You mean about Gura. Fact of the matter is she's a lazy cunt and ever since 2022 she has been protesting the corporation that gave her an easy life purely out of spite because they dared to ask her to not be so lazy. She simply isn't cut out for a corporation. She doesn't have the work ethic for it. Instead of bowing out gracefully she left a skid mark across a three year timeframe that does nothing but make her look bad so long as you're capable of critical thinking.

>>102757288
You retards kept regurgitating this when it was blatantly obvious Gura was going to graduate. We have nearly a decade of history of Gura's patterns. She's not going to keep up consistent streaming. She isn't built for it. She's a naturally lazy person. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

she streams too much
I am worried

>>102758702
Yea, lazy because of me matingpressing her everyday and filling her up.

>>102756532 (OP)
One more left for 3 strikes at once. I really hope she nukes the vods, you know antis are salivating.

>>102759024
She has two strikes on her account already?

>>102758702
I BELIEVE

>>102759083
>at once

>>102758551
Doesn't explain why it's magically not an issue now that she's an indie

>>102756722
incels are boring no matter what and should be purged from the gene pool with a wood chipper

>>102758347
IRyS and supposedly (still haven't watched beyond her destroying Vergil 3) Biboo were doing fine there.
Also,
>Maybe watch male tubers then nigger?
Not a guarantee. I watched Vinny be a massive retard while playing Inscryption. Act 2 was more painful than ANYTHING I've seen women do.

>>102759432
>Flying back and forth
>Japanese company
>Can't speak Japanese
>Female competition, this is just normal
>Problem with supervisor
>No one to talk to

>>102756763
Are you talking about mint’s name on the holo wall?

>>102756630
>Illiterate nigger
>saba anti
Many such cases

>>102756799
>one time flight for vacation to see family
Kek

Remember when Doobi became more active until internet hort set in a month or two later?
Remember when Nimi's noombers were also two times higher their pre-lore drop?

>>102756532 (OP)
who's that

>>102756635
>Gunrun threw a rager that made Gura shut herself off in a room in fear of doxxing
>Gunrun was in charge of perms, which made it harder for Gura to get games she wanted, and change game mid or right before streams
>Gunrun was in charge of holo 3D lives, and he was the one who cut short Gura's birthday live and many others
>Gunrun was the producer who made the decision to cancel the release of Full Color, and many other projects
>Gunrun convinced Ame to graduate
Damn, at this rate, he's gonna have a rap sheet longer than Vesper's!

The main issue with her and holo is her character was too popular so they constantly want her to do promotional shit and recordings the same thing happened to Ayame. They turned both into corporate mascots to pedal garbage.

Saba is a vocaloid otaku she wants to be Miku not a video game streamer or a japanese corporate shill. She can fund her dream by streaming without having corporate overlords so she left.

>>102760985
>Remember when Nimi's noombers were also two times higher their pre-lore drop?
Fuck, got a faggot from the future here

>>102761400
Were you not here when liggers were doing their usual routine of numberfagging at Nimi having like 30K after debut until she settled into her usual 12K range even before lore drop?

>>102756532 (OP)
Honeymoon phase.

>>102761400
You know it's true.

It really isn't that complicated. Having an outsized position in Hololive was mental pressure that she's too fragile for. As an indie, that pressure is gone.

>>102761520
Not really. But I know you are a faggot, that's something.
>>102761454
How is that relevant?

>>102761665
It's relevant because first few months don't mean much unless you really fuck up.
Debut hype goes both ways.

holodrones are seething at this trvke kek

>>102761736
Gunrun isn't gonna send any more google play cards to your village, Arjun

>>102758653
So you're saying Saba is overrated trash while Biboo is actually fun, smart and soulful?

>>102758702
You don't have shit on her patterns lmao you keep clinging to her old twitch "career" like it wasn't a fucking side gig

>>102763713
>You don't have shit on her patterns lmao
Gura was quite possibly the most predictable vtuber in the world during 2023-2024. Shut the fuck up retard she's not going to suck your dick.

>>102756799
lol

>>102756532 (OP)
Gura worked her ass off for the first 2.5 years. Many of the new ENs have already failed to do so. Pumping about 3D Lives and big events while streaming. The question is what changed and caused her to prepare to leave? Ash Again was over a year in the making. It was an abrupt change during contract negotiations (the Senzawa 'uh oh' tweet) that made her decide that Hololive was no longer for her.

Anons are just judging Gura on her way out, not the juggernaut she was before that fateful day.

>>102764490
>The question is what changed and caused her to prepare to leave?
The Diddy Party in Mori's apartment

>>102764490
>The question is what changed and caused her to prepare to leave?

>Ok Gura, now that you have 3D and can be in official promo material, as our most popular talent, we need you to come back to Japan twice a year for a month to record things, it's also a great chance to hang out with other EN members who live far away and meet the JPs
>Wait what do you mean you "don't want to" now

>>102764821
Is she trying to be a cactuar?

>>102756532 (OP)
What is there to say beyond the fact you're a nigger?

>>102760872
>racist
>pedophile
>can't take a joke
Yeah sounds about right.

>>102765309
>t.

>>102765402
I'm not crying about the dumb shark you illiterate fuck lmao I'm not even the first person you responded to. I just think it's funny how fast you mongoloids lash out

>>102761111
gunrun is actually mori calliope. it all adds up.

How can fans forget how low the EN branches have fallen during the Stars fiasco? Subscriptions nearly stopped, and viewership dropped to its lowest, except for these three. The resistance. Gura was still carrying, and the runt of Council became their leading streamer.

It was at that point that they got a wake-up call that they were in a corporation. They will make horrible decisions that will implode themselves, over greed for what the other company is doing.
We owe these three for not falling in line with their new directions.

>WHAT ABOUT HOLOLIVE THOUGH?
It's super funny to see these threads pop up after is came out Vshitshow was paying people to shitpost Hoolive and defect off of them.. I mean just look at >>102765569

>>102758653
> A single stream of saba has more content than the entirety of bijous career
Bro didn't watch Biboo vs The World

>>102765402
>t.

>>102765614
Did you forget how Cover's direction almost destroyed EN?
Or are you a tourist?
When Gura and Ina took there long breaks, it was the darkest point of HoloEN history. And they were the only two gaining subs that month.

>>102765569
>2 talentless people leave (at least mumei can sing and she graduaded mostly because of health issue)
>a new gen of 4 high tier skilled vtubers approached
I think Hololive hasn't lost so much in terms of quality.

>>102765678
>WHAT ABOUT HO9LOLIVE THOUGH?
Thanks for proving me right bro.

>>102765720
As said before, judging them on their way out, no way compares when they were happy and carrying HoloEN.
Without remembering Cover's fuck ups, will make it inevitable to repeat them.
Those that stood up to Cover are gone and can't save EN from more bad decisions.

>>102765569
The viewership dropped because Hololive was Holodead.
Kiara, Mori, Mumei, Fauna and Bae were among the few who bothered streaming. Gura obviously wasn't among them because lol and Mumei more or less forced herself because holy fuck, 2022.

>>102756630
6 actually you disingenuous hack

>>102765897
>The viewership dropped because Hololive was Holodead.
Why did they die? Cover's direction. It was dying before Gura's breaks.
Gura before her break was still gaining 50k subs a month and high viewership, while others fell off a cliff. No matter how much they streamed. It was a dark point to remember.

>>102765822
>no way compares when they were happy and carrying HoloEN
Carrying on what? Numbers?
So you're saying that's bad for a corpo to think about quality but has to think over quantity?

Is this whole thread just people making shit up?

>>102766107
Stop making stupid decisions, that almost destroyed the other talents careers.
Mori was once the second most subscribed behind Gura, third in the world.
To see her fall so fast was shocking.

>>102766142
Yes, monkeys also said that HoloEN would die once Mumei and Gura left, when they just sold like 11,500 seats and next year's Fes will still have absurdly high demand.

>>102766142
Yeah.
I just watch cute fish girl when I can.
Her problems are her problems alone.

>>102766244
No one said that.
Hololive is too big to fail, just like Nijisanji.
But will it be as successful?

>>102766142
It's /vt/ as a whole. That's all most people do here. Make bullshit up.

>>102766188
You don't even know what exactly the decision is and how is actually stupid or clever. How the things are actually behind the scene. Even Mori said that despite being stated for the same generic reason, all of those who graduated did for different reasons.

The problem with the other talent isn't really the career, Mori despite the "fall" continues to produce and stream. The worst thing is how the girls feel about the graduation and not being able to collab with those gone anymore and the fear for not being in contact anymore. But again without knowing real reasons it's difficult to say who's fault.

>>102766332
They won't be as successful because they choose not to be. They still own the IP, they could sell dinoguras until the cows come home, and normalfags and people who don't pay attention and don't even realize she graduated would still but it, but they won't.

>>102764638
>The Diddy Party in Mori's apartment

>>102764892
She's making a swastika

>>102766438
Mori is just being Cover's spokesperson. And why no one who left follow her or her RMs.

As even some JP have said, the company is completely different when they joined. Mori and Suisei have stated they like the new direction.

>>102765998
>Why did they die? Cover's direction
Council was Council, IRyS was still getting raped by Omega while Gura, Ina and Ame were who they were.
You could be scamming random grannies for more profit than whatever Gunrun gives you.

>>102766589
Defending those who kept Hololive afloat in the dark times of HoloEN history.

>>102766566
Never said Cover didn't change tho. I said that we don't know what actually happened and so what this "change" exactly is. Like Shiori said something about it, like you can do whatever you want, you're not forced to apply to sponsor, to voice packs, to concert, and you can even fight your manager, that wouldn't let you kick out from the company, but you "kinda have social expectation".

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drAHQYDVuxg

>>102766790
Not saying Hololive is bad either. The best Corpo.
More on what made these girls decide to leave.
We can not ignore Cover has made bad decisions before, and the girls realized that they have less say in it. And chose to leave and forge their own destiny.

>>102766894
>And chose to leave and forge their own destiny.
Which is how we get a little lore drop

>>102765309
I'm not a racist, I just have a few prejudices that happen to be right.

>>102767161
Too bad, I am super racist