What’s even the point of joining Phase Connect if you're only getting a 0.6% viewership share? Might as well stay indie.

>>102975366 (OP)
Because 0.6% is better than being single digit viewer

>>102975366 (OP)
31 members being able to collect .6% of all vtubers hours is not bad.

Yes independent is bigger but they're are literally thousands of indies.

>>102975867
that is bad, even vhoejo had much more with less members.
and holo at 31 was their peak.
only phasecucks would deny after all their yelps.

See, you fucks are going to miss VShojo because it gave you all something to kick around together. Now that it's gone, you'll just eat each other.

Enjoy!

>>102975366 (OP)
I like how 0.6% is the next bait, keep it up, these PhaseCucks need a reminder that they're not the hottest shit on the block as they try to make it out to be /here/

>>102975366 (OP)
Free housing in your head for starters.

>>102975366 (OP)
>when your a indie no one besides viewers know of you
>artist, merch companies, venues, big sponsors, etc won't return your calls or acknowledge you exist.
>Phase has 99.9% mind share
>If phase calls or contacts artists or companies your get instant reply and are put on top of priorities list.
Branding 101

>>102975366 (OP)
turns out most vtuber fans don't want to watch the kiwifarms bvtm doxxagi company

>>102976075
VShojo was #2 EN group and they streamed mainly on Twitch, which was filled with raids, frontpage embedded streams and sleep streams
Phase is just a small group chilling around, be happy in their lane and growing little by little

>>102977285
Right, but 35% watch indies, whereas only 0.6% watch Phase.

>>102975366 (OP)
You get the worst fanbase here

>>102977356
Vshojo has over six times as many viewers as Phase, which holds a 0.6% viewer share.

>>102975867
But why accept the ignobility of joining Phase for just 0.6% viewership, when they could remain indie and get over 30%?

>Despite making up 0.6% of the population...

>>102977359
Its not about how many people watches you. It's about image and engagement. 35% of people may watch indies but you can't sell coffee to them, because you can't get ahold of someone who will make coffee for you. You make no coffee money. But if you can sell coffee to just 0.6% of the whale population you make all the coffee money. Get it?

>>102977537
Sure, but why put in all that effort for just 0.6% when you could do less and cater to 35% of the target audience?

>>102977285
Phase isn't on anyone's radar outside of /here/. They still have a long way to go.

>>102977683
And yet there's OP making two threads about it

>>102975366 (OP)
When you join Phase you will forever live rent free in the minds of anons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wZ2gwoK9zk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wZ2gwoK9zk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wZ2gwoK9zk

>>102975366 (OP)
Thread was made by a phasefag to advertise his pathetic agency where the only person people watch is Pippa

>>102975366 (OP)
If you're a huge indie there's no point.
If you can get into Hololive there's no point.
There is, however, a point for small and medium indies.
A small indie (by which I mean those who have no realistic hope of being able to do vtubing as a sole job) will get a viewer growth opportunity and support that simply doesn't otherwise exist at their size tier.
A medium indie (as in, someone who could conceivably do vtubing as a sole job but it would be tight, or can do it as a profitable second job) won't see much viewership gain (unless they were in Twitch jail) but they spare themselves from a lot of behind the scenes work, saving lots of hours.
Both gain a lot of legitimacy for commissions and other work, both gain access to a circle of potential collab partners in their size tier, they don't lose the ability to collab outside as much as most other corpos.
They also gain the ability to do merch, which for most people who join Phase simply wasn't a possibility before. Even if you sell less than a hundred, if production was scaled reasonably that's still a chunk of extra cash that simply did not exist before.
Both also gain access to management and tech support, which neither would have access to as an indie. Phase's management is actually pretty good and their tech support is still more than zero.
You won't get big by joining Phase but it still brings benefits.

>>102975366 (OP)
0.6% market share is the stupidest argument I've seen. Imagine a chuuba looking through all the statistics and financial reports to minmax her growth opportunities. That's laughable and just the kind of complete detachment from vtubing I'd expect from an average /vt/ catalog retard

>>102978075
Hey, that's not true. It "worked" for Sinder.

>>102978075
Perhaps that’s the reason good talent never joins Phase Connect.

>>102978245
No, that's not the reason

>>102975366 (OP)
Now remove the JP hours

>>102976075
Vwhore is and was almost entirely bots, like all twitch streamers.

bait thread obviously but it's still worth discussing
With the recent indie circlejerking and anti-corpo narrative after vshojo's fall, many chuubas have already given their takes on why joining a corp IS needed for many. Even mint who people heralded as the ultimate example of "YASSS QUEEN YOU DON'T NEED NO CORPO YOU'RE SO RICH" turned out to be a pro-corpo and still is even AFTER vshojo burned down

This is why they keep getting scammed because they feel like it's a risk they HAVE to take because indie just means stagnation UNLESS you have twitch clique connections and can get pozzed up with leechbuffs from big streamers (impossible for 99%)

Phase represents stability. If getting into Hololive is the equivalent of winning the lottery, Phase would be landing a decently paying job with job security.

Having said all that I think Phase growth will continue being bottlenecked so long as they are one giant Pippa circlejerk with 90% of the chuubas being some blatant copypaste of the same "based girlfailure tradwife femcel" shit. Nobody wants to be in a fandom of kiwitroons and kiwitroons don't care about anything else. So the demographics become mutually exclusive. To not be hardstuck im 0.6% they really have to work hard on expanding their bubble being pippashit. They're trying to i think but so far no payoff

Indiegods

>>102976318
Yeah we aren't like your cousin slutting it up on a corner. Damn right. Also kill yourselves numberfags so your cousin can stop whoring out thanks to life insurance.

>>102977641
>you could do less and cater to 35% of the target audience?
Anon being indie isn't a corp, are you retarded? That's not how viewership works, you're not magically in "le 35%" when you decide to open your fansly and stream on twitch, this post is so stupid it's giving me a case of the vapours

>>102977499
Despite being only 0.6% of the viewership they are the only ones that have their own merch warehouse and have been the least affected by the tariffs? I dunno, somehow not even vshojo could do that

>>102979289
The power of actually being based in NA.

You can be friend with a lot of Dramafag

>>102975366 (OP)
0.6% of the views but 80% of the retarded shitposts

>>102978580
surely the next Concord/Relooters/Fairgames/hyenas will show how large the left wing market is!

>>102977397
>has
Had. They are dead. Meanwhile phase is still trucking on.

>>102975366 (OP)
Most indies have no viewers

Phase started from literally nothing, no twitch shills and massive established indies like twitch, no JP branch to get the ball rolling like niji and holo 0.6% is impressive when you think about it that way

debut numbers:
holomyth: 42,000
lazulight: 17,000
phase gen 1: 300

Like pippa said recently, phase is the underdog corpo, no one really cares what they do, there is no magic bullet to making phase incline over night, vtubing has settled into a duopoly of niji and hololive, the best phase can hope for is slow growth YoY,

>>102985030
>phase
>no shills
lol
lmao

>>102985126
there is a big difference between anons telling you to watch phase in a bait thread on 4chan and vshojo being directly connected to the top leadership of twitch, stop being retarded

>>102975366 (OP)
Why are you dramafags so obsessed with Phase?

>>102985348
Because redditors hate /vt/, and Phase is /vt/.

>>102985348
phase is the hecking right wing corpo (its not) and the vast majority of vtuber fans are leftist retards

>>102985348
because 0.6% keep shilling their corpo and keep getting 0.6%
seriously it so fucking funny

>>102975366 (OP)
These graphs are stupid because they include a ton of irrelevant JP vtubers that no one outside of nipland watches.

>>102975366 (OP)
Lmao is this why they keep begging for Mint?

Because corpo 3view beats indie 1view

>>102986870
as opposed to what
not shilling your corpo?
i dont get the problem you're supposed to shill your corpo lmfao

Because getting 95k subs and 1.2k people watching your stream is better than having 20k subs and 450 people watching your stream.

>>102977397
>>102977356
>>102976075
VShojo did massive ad campaigns and went deep into debt to get that viewer share and imploded when they couldn't make payments doing it anymore. Phase either breaks even or manages small profit with just that 0.6%

They are smaller, but stable.

>>102985348
Because VShojo imploded, Idol got eaten, and shitting on Niji is just beating a dead horse at this point.

>>102975366 (OP)
I don't know, why don't you ask Marimari_EN, Sleepy and Clio?

>>102975366 (OP)
why even be a vtuber outside of Hololive? you'll forever be a literal W H O

>>102975366 (OP)
access to doing conventions, doing 3d concerts, more merch than holos get, access to collabs and some sponsorships, will get you half way to a playbutton

hololive only hires 5 new people a year, and there are hundreds of 1view-2view vtubers who want a good corpo experience so do you hope to win the hololive lottery, or do you try for an achievable?

>>102987477
you focus too much on viewership. that is not the real benefit of a corpo. the benefit of the corpo is everything else.
what good is viewership and subs if you don't do anything with them? like who gives a fuck about someone like camila or shondo for example? what have they ever done despite having all these numbers and just hiding in the corner. I would rather be a mid level phase connect member than them ainec.

>>102975366 (OP)
With Vshojo gone, shouldn't this graphic be updated?

>>102975366 (OP)
A helping hand for managing
>concerts
>merch
>advertising
>con appearances
>legal issues
>chat moderation or possible channel strikes
Compared to having to do it all alone? Sounds pretty good to me. For better or worse, the bulk of the drama and shitposting from /vt/ and twitter is always centered on Pippa, and to a lesser extent Lumi.

>>102992161
Marimari outright said that the main reason she joined is because she didn't want to do so much of the work herself anymore.

>>102975366 (OP)
>why join x corpo
Out of that 33.8% you end up being a 0.0001% if you don't know how to sell yourself.

>>102992227
And Clio joined because artists were stonewalling her or taking months per reply even with constant nagging, and then once she got phase managers to message them for her they started replying instantly and working at ten times the speed.

>>102975366 (OP)
wonder what it looks like if you cut it down to just EN?
I think only mythic wouldn't be affected (on technical viewership, but would of course still be a different share of viewership), or do they allow non EN talents?

>>102993653
mythic isn't even a corpo
ffs you have mythic talents in phase connect

>>102993703
yeah i agree its weird to count it as any form of 'group' like that, but its there and its not worth the argument to remove it.
also i think its just mari but yeah good point. how does that chart deal with overlap like that, rare as it might be?

>>102993806
it's just mari officially, but mythic has worked with lia and lumi a few times before

>>102977359
That 35% is split between tens of thousands.
And the top 100 probably have 30% of the share roughly

>>102975366 (OP)
it's not 0.6 anymore because vsho is gone
>NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED, FOOL

>>102975366 (OP)
.6% can get you a main event spot at ANYC, where stars like Fubuki and Mio are your opening act.

>>102995931
All that means is 'Independent' just got 3.2% bigger. All other numbers stay the same.

>>102996017
.6% of the global market where like 4 of the ones listed beating you are completely or nearly 100% non-EN.
English, and American especially, markets and events arent going to care about anything but how well your English market is. hell, they may only care about your local national numbers.

>>102977440
Not how it works you ape. That's 30% spread out across literal tens of thousands of 1 views on the platform. Also that chart was made with ironmouse in Vshojo so she's not inflating those indie numbers. https://streamscharts.com/news/vtubers-q3-2024-report

>>102996017
why is hololive jobbing to the .6%

>The top agencies remain Hololive, NIJISANJI, and VShojo, whose streamers collectively accounted for about 48.1% of the total Airtime. Over the past three months, Hours Watched for Hololive streamers rose by 8.8%, while HW for NIJISANJI streamers increased by 1.9%. In contrast, VShojo saw a remarkable increase of 10.5% in HW, largely thanks to ironmouse, who held a super successful subathon in September and set a record for the number of paid subscriptions.

Chart in OP still has ironmouse in Vshojo which means her viewership share only got them up to 3.2 %. Its no wonder everyone else including hololive is eclipsed by independents; their methodology counts EVERY "vtuber" hours watched including 1views and probably defunct channels like Senzawa.

>>102996017
> separate ticket required
No wonder it flopped

>>102995931
Don't worry, they'll keep saying 0.6% no matter what the stats say

>>102975366 (OP)
>joining Phase Connect
invite only now

>>102996061
no it means the denominator changes so Phase takes a larger piece now. I am the dumbest Phasefag and even I can figure that out.

Once again people troll Phase and the world just fixes itself in their favor doing nothing. You would think you have learned something by now?

>>103004055
Catalog? Learning?

>>102975366 (OP)
This is a Japanese chart.

>>103011616
Vshojo has 3% of the JP audience?

>>102975366 (OP)
>>102976075
Wait, was Vshojo bigger than HoloEN? I always thought HoloEN was the biggest in EN. HoloEN is around 3-4x Phase from the latest stats I saw, which is smaller than VS??

>>103013595 (me)
From https://blog.vstats.jp/archives/27973361.html
July stats not out yet.

>>102975366 (OP)
I swear /vt/ has the most retarded users on 4chan.
We really do have the most 3rd worlders for some reason.

>>102975366 (OP)
>What’s even the point of joining Phase Connect
nothing

>>102975366 (OP)
because bvtm

>>102975867
>31 members amounting to 0.6%
Nigga thats terrible. Especially when most of those views are monopolized by Pippa and that other hag fox I forgot the name.

>>102975366 (OP)
How can Hololive keep winning for such a long time?

>>102976092
We're all drinking phase tears little dog, that 3.3 is going to Inde, holo, niji and Mythis now

>>102985348
I hate the fanbase more than the company. Even outside of /here/ I see a phasefag advertise one of the girls from time to time. For how much word of mouth gets around you'd think that more than 20% of the talents would be higher than a 3 view by now.

You get to lick pippas ass like every nepo hire

>>102985348
Vshocucks need something to cope and since holokeks are too big for them, they target phaseshill.

>>102986870
Why are you here then?

>>103013595
from this monthly data no

HoloEN is like 2% (intended) since holoJP is so much bigger than this failure of a branch
0.6% isn't that bad, I dislike phase cucknect but holokeks shouldn't laugh too much