Thread 103021604

Not eradicated, mind you. Gutted. Like a virus before it's suspended in vaccine fluid.

Entertaining audiences as a character - Good
Cranking your autism up to 11 to get good at singing and dancing - Good
Keeping your private life separate from your idol job - Good
Normalizing the 24/7 expectation that you're always in Idol Mode and therefore aren't allowed to have a boyfriend - Bad

Remove Bad parts, leave Good parts.

Thank you for coming to my TEDx talk.

Go back.

>>103021618
No.

>>103021604 (OP)
Please, you're 0.6%. Sit down.

>>103021627
No.

Go back

>>103021652
No.

Maybe if phasefags were doxxing and invading vtubers chats trying to push politics less people would listen to the diarrhea that comes out of your mouth more

>eeping your private life separate from your idol job - Bad
ftfy
Vtubers are streamers first, idols second, not the other way around. They do not play a character, they play an lightly exaggerated version of their real selves. What you see is what you get. That is what the vast majority enjoys, not fake performances.

Unicuckdom needs to die and the best and simplest way to do that is announcing that you're taken in public.

>>103021676
The lack of good politics is what has made this TEDx talk necessary. Doxxing is only acceptable in extreme circumstances (mass shooters, genocide advocates, etc.)

>>103021604 (OP)
get the fuck out of my escapism, enemy infiltrator a.k.a. phasecuck

>crying about Phase out of nowhere
Obsessed.

>>103021712
>Unicuckdom needs to die and the best and simplest way to do that is announcing that you're taken in public.
Cucks are people who enjoy seeing their partners fucked by other people. There are ethical ways to indulge this fetish. Do not lump them in with unicorns.

>>103021717
>get the fuck out of my escapism, enemy infiltrator a.k.a. phasecuck
I don't particularly like Phase, actually. More of an Ex-VSJ+ guy.

>>103021743
You can leave too

>>103021716
>>103021759
this is escapism, there's NO such thing as good politics. both left and right should FUCK OFF

>>103021769
>this is escapism, there's NO such thing as good politics. both left and right should FUCK OFF
Wrong. The extreme left is the only thing that can save your hobby from complete destruction.

>>103021604 (OP)
VTubers?

>>103021782
>The extreme left is the only thing that can save your hobby

>>103021769
Agreed, I'm very left but I don't want to hear about politics when I'm watching streams. Streams are how I get away from the political shit I see everywhere else

>>103021604 (OP)
It's interesting that she admitted nobody told her this was a rule but just her own bad experiences proved to her that avoiding a boyfriend at this time of her life was the right decision.

>>103021797
I see a definite split between the pure/idol-lite yappers and the virtual idols of Hololive. I think both can coexist, but only if unicorns are eradicated.

>>103021782
Nah, both sides require control to enforce their ideals.

>>103021604 (OP)
who?

>>103021822
It's an unwritten cultural rule that is enforced by the bourgeoisie that owns and operates the idol industry.

To save idols, the bourgeoisie must be destroyed. The means of producing idol culture must be owned and operated by the idols themselves.

>>103021782
it's not the extreme left that wants to ban loli, anime and vtubers...

>>103021604 (OP)
oh no a woman felt lonely for 5 minutes while counting her piles of money, truly this is the worst thing happening in the world
lets import 8 million more refugees and go fight for Israel to own the unicorns

You don't even speak japanese, don't you have some brown country to bomb instead of telling people you can't even communicate with how they should behave, cultural imperialist?

>>103021877
go watch v-dere

>>103021882
>it's not the extreme left that wants to ban loli, anime and vtubers...
Lol. Lmao.

>>103021852
The only sides worth speaking of are classes. A class is a group with a certain relationship to the means of production.

You can side with the bourgeoisie, the current owners of this culture, or the proletariat, who are in the case the idols who own nothing and have only their labor to sell in exchange for goods and services.

You cannot pretend that this conflict does not exist and will disappear on its own.

>>103021934
You must be 18 to post on this website.

>>103021917
This is not the extreme left. It is a competing wing of the bourgeoisie who have an interest in propping up old media - unwatchable TV dramas, reality shows, etc.

>>103021604 (OP)
Kind of funny that these idol agencies prevent their talents from having boyfriends just so the executives and other personnel could get to take their virginity first lmao

>>103021882
fucking lol, both sides are extremely anti anything anime, anti free speech, anti open internet, anti anything (You) should care about if you're here

>>103021604 (OP)
Hello twitter!

>>103021917
texas is extreme left??? in what world?

>>103021959
It's not funny, its disgusting. The owners of these agencies and their homunculi must be destroyed.

What the fuck is the bourgeois? Can you please go back to wherever you came from?

>>103021964
Copying and pasting your ignorance of class conflict ad nauseum will not resolve it.

>>103021769
>thinking you can ever escape
Politics will come for you no matter how much you try to ignore it.

>>103021974
Texas is one of the few US states that explicitly put out a notice to people (see: commiefornians) that trying to report people to the police for loli porn is wasting everyones time.

>>103021991
The bourgeoisie. The class of people who own the means of production.

>>103021882
It is actually.

>>103021934
>t. Card carrying member of the Proletariat
Also known as a retard

>>103022000
well, if you come after me I'll kill you :) then just watch my escapism in prison

>>103022012
Rare Texas W

>>103021934
Idol culture is human nature.
What's stopping you from embracing it?

>>103022032
I don't want to deprive you of your escapism. I want to save it. This can only be done by overthrowing the bourgeois state. You can start by breaking the cultural rules they have set in order to secure their power.

>>103022065
this has been done in Eastern Europe and it only lead to mass starvation and being decades behind in technology
>inb4 not real socialism
kill yourself

>>103022063
Appeals to human nature automatically brand you as an idiot and/or fed. Material conditions are what determine human nature. Try harder.

>>103021890
>israel out of nowhere
>migrant out of nowhere
you /pol/tard even worse than thing you talk shit about

>>103022089
try what harder?
People already made their mind.

>>103022084
>this has been done in Eastern Europe and it only lead to mass starvation and being decades behind in technology
It meant that their cars weren't as good, because the quality of their public transit rendered their widespread adoption unnecessary.

>>103022124
>People already made their mind.
I am here to remake it.

my favorite part of OP's post is how none of it is related to vtubing

>>103022129
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HOLODOMOR YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>>103022162
The early stage of vtubing derived much of its culture from idol culture. Are you new to this hobby?

>>103021604 (OP)
I think corpos should monetize lore drops. Maybe they could even sell congratulations merch and make it a big event. I think fans would love little key chains with their oshi and their oshi's new husband/boyfriend to commemorate the special moment.

>>103022152
Wrong place.
People are here to enforce their beliefs, not to change them.
Go run for a public seat if you think idol culture is that important.

>>103021604 (OP)
>you can if you want
>management never told me i can't
>1 problematic ex made it a problem
>so you can't

uhhh, ok why though? because certain people you want to take money from don't like it? right, so a case of
>customers buying rice angry when sold bread
damn how dare they.

>>103022094
>Seething ESL
You deserve worse than genocide

>>103022180
I think corpos shouldn't exist. The little key chains commemorating the idol's marriage isn't a terrible idea, though.

This board keeps getting more and more mindbroken by the day kek.
Nimi truly destroyed what was left of jeetchan

>>103022201
>Wrong place.
>People are here to enforce their beliefs, not to change them.
>Go run for a public seat if you think idol culture is that important.
>Wrong place.
>People are here to enforce their beliefs, not to change them.
>Go run for a public seat if you think idol culture is that important.
No.

>>103021604 (OP)
go back tranny

>>103022214
>This board keeps getting more and more mindbroken by the day kek.
I am here to unbreak it.

>>103022243
>go back tranny
I am a cisgendered male. Also, No.

>>103022214
it started with her fake dna test, yes

>>103022234
Lazy keyboard warriors are not worth anyone's time.
bye

>>103022307
>Lazy keyboard warriors are not worth anyone's time.
>bye
It was worth enough time for you to reply.

none of you will EVER deprive me of my cute ESL Chinese waifus

>>103022280
You're a faggot is what you are

>>103021822
Bad experiences that she should never have had since the whole purity thing is just unreasonable.

>>103021712
every streamer is playing a character

It's unadvisable for them to have boyfriends because if they do they'll lose most of their fans.
>well their fans should just be okay with their idols having boyfriends
But they're not. You're not gonna change their mind by shaming them.
>then those fans should leave
And be replaced with what? There aren't other fans to take their place. It would be a massive downsizing of the entire industry, profits would fall to the point where it's not worth investing into anymore and everything would collapse and disappear.
You want to promote some sort of massive fundamental change but you don't even understand what any of it would entail. You and people like you and total retards.

>>103022179
early? both groups still have "fans" that stalk and harass their idol, and then go full psycho when they find out a girl isn't actually single.

>>103022179
No, it derived from Japanese YouTube culture mostly. Hence vtuber. Bro there was a horse and a grandma and a gorilla, then you also had anime girls and idols. When hololive started picking up steam, nijisanji abandoned their anything goes attitude and went full idol too

>>103021782
weakest falseflag
anon you are too autistic to make this believable

>>103022356
well said

>>103022335
>You're a faggot is what you are
Kinsey one, actually, and non-femme dudes don't really do it for me. Do you have a problem with gay people?

>>103022398
>people are actually taking this bait

>>103022356
Just goes to prove that all the anti-unicorn faggots are simply hololive antis that want to see the girls fail and lose money and support. It's evident by how fake and performative all the homo support is compared to how dogshit their metrics actually are.

>>103022356
>You're not gonna change their mind by shaming them.
Just as there were people who sided with the feudal rulers against their class interests under feudalism, there are people who will defend the bourgeoisie under capitalism. They are to be re-educated, if possible, and destroyed if not.

>>103022356
Right, idols are not just performers. If they want to be judged entirely on their performance and not have any kind of parasocial fucks personally invested on their journey, they can easily do that, it's called being a musician. Those people want to have their cake and eat it too. You should throw them money because of a personal connection but you're not allowed to have expectations. Want me to judge you based entirely on your talents? Ok, I'll maybe listen to your music if I feel like it when it comes out on spotify IF you manage to successfully advertise it to the point that it reaches me.
What, that's hard to do? Only the most talented, with funding and a great deal of luck make it in that scene? Boo fucking hoo. You expect me to care why, exactly? I'm not your friend. Not my problem.

>>103022356
>everything WILL collapse once idols are allowed to date
You're making massive assumptions as if western popstars, which are analogous to JP idols, don't date openly and yet have a very successful industry. I know I just triggered your orientalism by making that comparison but you know it in your heart to be true. If the unicorns all leave en masse, they'll just be replaced by a different kind of audience that doesn't give a shit.

>>103022438
Voting with your wallet is fine, but when you start shaming those idols who choose to break the paradigm as sluts, whores, etc. then it becomes a problem. Just be like the silent majority of actual unicorns and fuck off without a fuss.

>>103022441
There's nothing stopping them from doing just that. There are incredibly successful openly married idols, also single mom idols. There are also massively successful independent idols who are their own bosses and promote other independent idols by reinvesting their fortune into places where small idols can perform and reach a bigger audience. But you'd have to actually give a shit about the culture you want to change, but you don't, you're just a parasite, you want to infect things for its own sake, corrupting is your goal, you never cared to begin with.

>>103022441
>and yet have a very successful industry
the western music industry is absolutely fucking nothing dude, there are hundreds of individual videogames that make more money than the whole music industry

>>103022438
>Only the most talented, with funding and a great deal of luck make it in that scene?
Not exactly. The most marketable and controllable by the bourgeoisie make it in that scene. Talent is only one component, and what is considered "talent" is determined by the bourgeoisie.

>>103022483
There are hundreds of individual videogames that make more money than the whole idol industry too. Was this supposed to be a own?

>>103022441
>they'll just be replaced by a different kind of audience that doesn't give a shit
If that was true the homos wouldn't be complete shitters compared to the girls kek. Why would the girls want an audience that don't give a shit about them when they can have a dedicated fanbase that support them in becoming idols.

>>103021604 (OP)
Not really, I can't relate to this psychotically driven freaks who would agree to all this. You fags who like the shitty singing and dancing shit are the worst desu it's the lamest part of all this. This is why I skip the dance scenes in Umamusume

>>103022477
That's what everyone who actually cares does. The people "making a fuss" invest as little money as the ones virtue signaling like you are. Evidently, as you can see by non-unicorn-friendly idols in Hololive itself still being massively successful and Holostars still not being anywhere near as successful, especially EN.
Dramaniggers are negligible. Always have been.

>>103022496
If we're talking about the holostars then honestly they're just poor entertainers regardless of their sex.

>>103022491
You're clearly underaged, stop repeating the dumb shit you hear in high school thinking it applies everywhere and that you're smart for doing so.
Do some actual research on the subject you want to bait people into discussing. Nigger.

All women have to do is get a real job and this wouldn't be a problem, ever.

>>103022510
>virtue signaling
To who nigga? lmao
I do agree that often times the loudest voices are the ones putting in the least amount of money.

>>103021769
True. Only men should have opinions (truth is not political).

>>103022478
You made very reasonable statements till you went full schizo in your last sentence. May I ask why?

>>103021604 (OP)
Who is that? and why has the thread already devolved to /pol/shit?

>>103022531
>You're clearly underaged, stop repeating the dumb shit you hear in high school
Both of our high schools did their best to miseducate us. In your case they unfortunately succeeded. You can re-educate, yourself, though. It's not too late.

>>103022336
No, her boyfriend was a sexpest piece of shit. Just like any boyfriend of an idol would be. Idols marry and settle down after they graduate, as it should be.

>>103022516
That's a pathetic excuse, even the least entertaining holoJP or holoEN has several times more views than a homostar. If sex didn't matter you wouldn't have such consistent success among the hololive girls and such consistent stagnation from the homo side.

>>103021855
>>103022597
It's doxxshit

>>103022580
If any of what I said was new to you then that's exactly why. You're too opinionated for someone who doesn't know extremely basic shit about the culture you want to change like every other western parasie tries to do with every other kind of niche japanese culture.
I've seen your kind time and time again. It's not new, and it's not exclusive to idols.
You didn't even need to do any outside research, watching Hololive would be enough to know everything I just said because these same idols I mentioned are the lifelong inspiration of multiple Hololive talents, including unicorn-friendly ones.
Your main source of information is either threadreading or twitter, you know nothing.

>>103022623
Alright let me expound: the stars are poor entertainers and happen to be in a primarily straight male dominated fandom in addition to being management's kneejerk reaction to the success of Luxiem which was in a company with a lot more straight female fans.

Indie/1view/connorfag hands wrote this

>>103022643
11 years ago btw. Funny that this thread succeeded in being ragebait for reasons outside OP's post

>>103021993
This is the exact opposite of class conflict ignorance, retard

I'll watch a vtuber even if she has a boyfriend if she's funny enough, but I won't give her any money and I won't oshi her. Simple as.

>>103022711
>This is the exact opposite of class conflict ignorance, retard
No it isn't.

>>103022615
>Idols marry and settle down after they graduate, as it should be.
Idols should never be allowed marry, not even after they've graduated. It desecrates their legacy and betrays the fans post-mortem.

>>103022615
>Idols marry and settle down after they graduate, as it should b
>>103022744
>Idols should never be allowed marry, not even after they've graduated. It desecrates their legacy and betrays the fans post-mortem.
Both are these are incorrect. Idols should be free to choose their own path, both in their work and private lives. The only way they can do this is if they own the means of idol culture production, collectively.

>>103022650
I don't need to have a PhD on idols to share opinions on 4chan. You made a grand statement which I then thought about and wrote a reply that was dubious to the proposition. I honestly don't care that much for idol culture, growing up with a good mom and a well-adjusted home life have skewered my opinions to being that women shouldn't be shackled by the archaic purity expectations of kissless virgin men, but I'm not too strongly invested into it to care beyond arguing on basket-weaving forums. What I am invested into is vtubing which a lot of people in the hobby have unfortunately conflated with idol culture, which leads to a lot of broken expectations when certain talents stray beyond these arbitrary boundaries.

Also this may not need to be said by >>>/jp/ and YWNBJ

>>103022623
well it's moreso that actual streaming is a crapshoot with people congregating at the very very top of streamers based on CCV (who might not even be the most entertaining, it's partially bandwagoning)
a lot of people treat hololive talents as their girlfriends which is why they get so much support

>>103022813
>growing up with a good mom and a well-adjusted home life have skewered my opinions to being that women shouldn't be shackled by the archaic purity expectations of kissless virgin men
This is not the entirety of idol culture. It is the sickness that cripples it, inflicted by the class that owns it and is unchallenged by its "fans."

>>103022356
And you think an industry that preys off the self-delusions of lonely males is ethical? Why shouldn't idol culture disappear if it is fundamentally exploitative to both the performers and consumers?

>>103022862
>And you think an industry that preys off the self-delusions of lonely males is ethical? Why shouldn't idol culture disappear if it is fundamentally exploitative to both the performers and consumers?
It should, if this were were the case. It's not. It only behaves this way due to capitalism.

>>103022860
>inflicted by the class that owns it
But many indies also do this despite not having corpo overlords to force it on them.

>>103022774
>Idols should be free to choose their own path, both in their work and private lives
They are free to choose their own path, but if they choose the path of an idol, they must remain pure. Every career has upsides and downsides to it. The upside of an idol career is being popular, famous, and being seen by everyone, which is the most important thing for a female. But with the greatest upside comes the greatest downside, which is that you must stay pure for the fans and reject your whorish female nature. The stakes are high, but the trade is fair.

>>103022813
The people who conflate vtubing with idol culture also know nothing about idol culture. Which is evident in the fact that the "no males" part (which was never a requirement for all real idols, as my previous examples show) is the ONLY part these people care about, when it's just a detail.
It's a detail that can be important to you, but still a detail. Someone not engaging in any kind of idol activity whatsoever is no idol, she can be Virgin Mary herself. Someone who would go on a "we're not friends" rant and didn't bother to go to NY to meet her fans is no idol, announcing her marriage is not the defining factor here.
I'm tired of retards who don't give a fuck about idols being 99% of the discussion about a culture they never tried to engage with. And that's from both sides, neither the ones demanding purity nor the ones wanting to change the culture actually understand or engage with the culture. It's tiresome.

>>103022494
I guess I shouldnt be surprised that some tourist doesnt know Idolmaster

>>103022899
Indies are where things get more interesting.
Yes, some may peddle GFE and then callously cast their audiences of lonely males aside when they have enough money to escape.
The conditions that led both that indie to embark on their endeavor - out of greed or a genuine lack of other options for survival - and the lonely males into their exploitable position, are a product of capitalism.

>>103022977
Relevance?

>>103022923
>They are free to choose their own path, but if they choose the path of an idol, they must remain pure. Every career has upsides and downsides to it. The upside of an idol career is being popular, famous, and being seen by everyone, which is the most important thing for a female. But with the greatest upside comes the greatest downside, which is that you must stay pure for the fans and reject your whorish female nature. The stakes are high, but the trade is fair.
Your time as a defender of the bourgeoisie is running out. Re-educate yourself. It's not too late.

>>103022860
>It is the sickness that cripples it
In what way is it a crippling sickness? If the audience consists of kissless virgin men, it's only fair for them to expect a kissless virgin idol

>>103022936
Honestly I think you'd be happier discussing idol culture on an actual idol board instead of /here/.

>>103023048
I'm only defending my own interests.

>>103023078
I usually don't, and keep to generals to talk about specific vtubers. Just got baited by this one thread.

>>103023059
>In what way is it a crippling sickness? If the audience consists of kissless virgin men, it's only fair for them to expect a kissless virgin idol
It's actually not fair for them to expect this. The conditions that have made it virtually impossible for the kissless virgin men to pursue healthy relationships are also not fair. The conditions must be changed.

>>103023098
For fun, I'll grant you that you're an owner/executive of an idol corpo. When the revolution comes, where will you hide?

>>103021604 (OP)
Nah, all jobs have their risks, that's life, grow up and accept them or find another one.

Not reading all of this but unikeks are still mindbroken weeks later

>>103023157
>Nah, all jobs have their risks, that's life, grow up and accept them or find another one.
Growing up is accepting your responsibility in overthrowing the economic system that immiserates and kills both you and those of your fellow workers.

>>103021604 (OP)
>Keeping your private life separate from your idol job - Good
>Normalizing the 24/7 expectation that you're always in Idol Mode and therefore aren't allowed to have a boyfriend - Bad
In vtubing the upper part is suppose to help eliminate the lower one. The problem is women are fucking retarded and many break the private life separation rule.

>>103023157
>Nah, all jobs have their risks, that's life, grow up and accept them or find another one.
Growing up is accepting your responsibility to overthrow the economic system that immiserates both you and your fellow workers.

>>103023295
It's really not my problem.

>>103023252
>In vtubing the upper part is suppose to help eliminate the lower one. The problem is women are fucking retarded and many break the private life separation rule.
It's often broken against their will (doxxing and such), leading vtubers like Nimi to get to the controls of the narrative before the chuds do.
It's also only "good" in the sense that everyone has a right to privacy, and that it's probably psychologically healthier to keep their idol personae and their off-stage self separate.

>>103023295
Aint nothing i can do about it.

>>103023358
>It's really not my problem.
When the proletariat organizes, it will become your problem. Where will you hide?

>>103023252
>The problem is women are fucking retarded and many break the private life separation rule.
There's no separation between work and private life if it affects your job. You can't do drugs and not expect to get fired

>>103023385
There is. It is not easy, and it will not be done in a weekend, but it can be done.

>>103021604 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FMO3QkiSQ

>>103023396
If they're gonna go around attacking other working class people I don't think they'll accomplish much.

>>103023405
>There's no separation between work and private life if it affects your job. You can't do drugs and not expect to get fired
Comparing having a healthy relationship and doing drugs that impair your ability to perform your job is, on its face, ridiculous.

>>103023419
>There is
Such as?

>>103023437
>If they're gonna go around attacking other working class people I don't think they'll accomplish much.
That is what an unorganized working class does, not an organized one.

Hmm really makes u think

>>103023456
Being in a relationship does affect your job if your job is being an idol

>>103022813
>the bastard of a single mother whore thinks he has the right to lecture people on other cultures
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>103023477
Then I guess ill be good, as a working class individual, why would I need to hide?

>>103023488
>good mother implies single mother

>>103023462
Educating yourself, for starters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGcpspooZvk

>>103021604 (OP)
okay, Napling

>>103023527
I work a job anon I don't have the time.

>>103023514
you didn't mention your father at all, it's just that obvious

>>103021604 (OP)
Why are white people like this?

>>103023456
yea but boyfriend probably means pregnancy and that means being out of commission for a while, might as well inform your fans
pretty sure "chuds controlling the narrative" is gonna happen even if no evidence comes out that you're gonna have kids soon

>>103023492
Assuming you're not working to defend the bourgeoisie, you wouldn't.

>>103023549
If you have the time to argue on a /vt/ message board about how powerless you are, you have the time to listen to an audiobook.

>>103023578
Then as stated, it's not my problem, either it works out or it doesn't.

>>103023625
You are in one of these two classes. Your insistence that you exist outside the system does not make it so. One way or another, it's your problem.

>>103023568
Well, if you're not up front about it, chuds will use it as ammo about how dishonest you are when you have to take some downtime later. But yes, it is also the responsible thing to do for your fans.

>>103023697
If the rest of the working class will fix it then why do I need to worry at all? Either it will fix itself or it won't.

>>103023157
I wouldn't want you in charge of workplace safety with that attitude

>>103023609
Not doing a good job at selling me on what I can do here.

>>103023809
By continuing to imagine yourself as existing outside the system, you are implicitly supporting the bourgeoisie. You will not be spared.

>>103023826
If you're unwilling to do so much as listen to an audio that's less than an hour in length, then you've declared yourself as unwilling to re-educate yourself. I think you know where that road goes.

>>103021604 (OP)
Rope yourself, faggot

>>103023829
Guess the organized mob will attack fellow workers, so probably won't accomplish much.

>>103023829
there, the mask slips

>>103022441
haha yeah they can easily replace their audience idk why idols and companies put up with "toxic" fans haha they are so silly, just replace your fans with better ones! lol

>>103023859
>yeah sorry if you work and don't have the free time for tons of education like I have you're actually supporting the ruling class
Makes you wonder.

>>103023862
>Guess the organized mob will attack fellow workers, so probably won't accomplish much.
You're making it pretty clear that you aren't a fellow worker. How many sips have you taken from your desk whiskey this morning to convince yourself that they won't come for you, kulak?
>>103023862
No.

>>103023913
stop noticing right now

>>103023888
There was never any mask. I have consistently called for the destruction of the bourgeoisie and its defenders.
>>103023913
You aren't expected to read every single thing, just as you aren't expected to be able to write programs in C++ in order to use a computer effectively. This audiobook is less than an hour and condenses a lot of what you need to know. It's a regular recommendation to beginners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGcpspooZvk

>>103023921
You'd think commies would realize that a staunch "if you're not with us you're actually rich" ideology is exactly what the powers that be want since it makes it really easy to alienate large chuncks of the working class.

>>103023987
>You aren't expected to read every single thing
Re-education would imply that.

>>103023991
You're either actually rich or siding with those that are.

>>103024037
I'm not siding with them, outright said ill be good if the revolution succeeds, you just haven't explained why I'm needed for it.

>>103024034
>Re-education would imply that.
No it doesn't. You are educated about physics in a 5th grade classroom, but you are not expected to be able to perform scientific research at that level. It's perfectly fine (and necessary!) to start small.

>>103024088
>It's perfectly fine (and necessary!) to start small.
Thus implying there will be more.

Why are there unironic communist larpers in my vtuber board

>>103024037
hey, the communist revolutionary larp is a fun bit but this thread hasn't been about vtubers for about forty posts or so, do you think you could get it back on track?

>>103021604 (OP)
i was going to shit on you and your thread but I kind of agree with you desu. Fauna had a fiance and Rushia was fucking married im sick and tired of the secrets and lying to my face so yeah they should all make their personal lives public

trannies

>>103021604 (OP)
Women and cucks will seethe when reading this

>>103024115
>hey, the communist revolutionary larp is a fun bit but this thread hasn't been about vtubers for about forty posts or so, do you think you could get it back on track?
I think vtubers would be better off under communism. Their livelihoods wouldn't depend on appeasing (or keeping at bay) an audience of lonely and frustrated people.

>>103024189
Seems counter intuitive to be performers to no audience.

>>103024177
>Women and cucks will seethe when reading this
Cucks will likely be too busy enjoying the act of indulging their fetish. Only women who are invested in upholding patriarchal capitalism will seethe at this.

>>103024177
Nevermind I can't fuckijg read.
Mods, vacation me

>>103022739
Yes it fucking is. No matter if they outwardly represent the left or the right, the elites always seek to fuck you over.

>>103024210
>Seems counter intuitive to be performers to no audience.
Why wouldn't there be an audience? Is your vision for vtubing so myopic that you can only imagine immiserated people watching them?

>>103024255
If they're elite, then they're not left.

>>103024294
Ah, yes, "no true communism" fallacy. Classic.

>>103024257
>Is your vision for vtubing so myopic that you can only imagine immiserated people watching them?
Just a realistic observation on the demographics of vtuber fanbases. Well adjusted people don't watch anime women play video games for hours on end.

>>103024349
You're the one insisting that "left" = communism.

>>103024403
What? I didn't say "elite can't be left", that was you, dipshit.

>>103024379
Well adjusted people do - what, exactly? Avoid any kind of entertainment that requires a suspension of disbelief? That doesn't sound accurate.

>>103024436
You equated being "left" with being communist. As we've seen time and again, people can start "left" and quickly find themselves in the ranks of the bourgeoisie.

>>103024440
>Well adjusted people do - what, exactly?
Sports, marvel movies, sitcoms, late night talk shoes. Streaming numbers would suggest that people who watch vtubers are a massive minority in the west.

>>103024475
>people can start "left"
You're just deflecting from the real boogeyman

>>103022179
Vtubers have something that real life idols don't. Privacy.
They are mostly anonymous, so they can blend into the crowd and nobody would know who they are.

>>103024440
>Well adjusted people do - what, exactly?
Have sex. Do you think a father of four is going to go on youtube chat and cheer on some random woman get stuck in a video game? No, because he experience a superior version of it with his wife and children.

>>103024440
>Well adjusted people do - what, exactly
Have families instead of spending their 20's and 30's giving money to anime girls. Like do you think the existing audience is just a coincidence? The inherent idea of vtubers is to attract lonely men.

Wawa's used pussy on my face

Western vtubing should be eradicated instead so you faggots can fuck off from my hobby

>>103021604 (OP)
how about uuuuuuh fuck you niggef you’d have nothing if not for idol culture

>>103024770
The inherent idea of vtubers is to entertain an audience using a computer generated avatar. It only becomes about exploiting lonely young men when we allow the bourgeoisie to twist it into that.

>>103021604 (OP)
cuck

>>103025384
>The inherent idea of vtubers is to entertain an audience using a computer generated avatar
Inherently only lonely young men would be the audience for that.

>>103024717
A father of four doesn't have much time to do anything besides work, usually. Is working yourself to the bone and having no free time to yourself your idea of what "well-adjusted" should be?

>>103025392
Nah, not my fetish. I'm into feet.

>>103025428
Should be? Probably not.
What is? That's just how it be.

>I can't wait to watch asmongold, hasan and whatever twitch e-thot is popular this month
>...but with a PNG instead!
This is the world OP wants.

>>103025340
>Western vtubing should be eradicated instead so you faggots can fuck off from my hobby
It's here to stay. The free market has spoken. No amount of whining on a message board will change this. Now what?

>>103025469
Why would I watch such unlikeable people, PNG or no PNG?

>>103021604 (OP)
it's mainly /vt/ that needs to be gutted. The schizos have gotten so bad that idol culture now extends to any and all vtubers. Every single vtuber is considered an idol and GFE and /vt/ immediately does their best to kill any and all support for them even when it's a farfetched rrat nobody buys
doesn't matter if you're a 5view on twitch or literally just debuted yesterday schizos hold everyone to the same standard
>you better not talk about your boyfriend!
>doesn't talk about her boyfriend
>she hasn't said anything about her relationship... that means she's in one, I must doxx her

>>103025503
Because those are the type of streamers that don't play into the anime persona

>>103025534
>Because those are the type of streamers that don't play into the anime persona
Still don't see how the PNG makes them more watchable.

>>103024113
They came from the dredges of /trash/. Apparently there was a parallel twitchkid simp culture forming there while proper vtuber culture was formed in /jp/. They just snuck onto the board one day, probably on the behest of their once lord and commander gunrun.

seems like western vtuber will continue shaming each other until they all have a boyfriend or other yab
no one is allowed to look better than the other

>>103025570
Simple, If they had a PNG and played into a character that was completely different than their own personal selves maybe they would be watchable

>opinions on women from a bunch of SEA muslims and jeets
Hmm

I miss when the board had IP counts. I wonder if this thread would be craking double numbers on the count. I bet no.

>>103025515
>you better not talk about your boyfriend!
>doesn't talk about her boyfriend
>she hasn't said anything about her relationship... that means she's in one, I must doxx her
80% of the time this is a phase girl and the dox is just past tweets.
The other 20% it's just a bludgeoning tool, spammed on repeat on the front page to attack a holo or former holo.

>>103025515
The schizos are schizos because of the system they live under. The point I'm making in the OP is that I'm well aware that your average "leftist" is extremely snotty and dismissive about idol culture in particular and anime/vtubing in general. I am a communist who is not. I see the good and fun things in them. I don't think you have to be a hopeless young man to enjoy them. And I think if you want to preserve it against the collapse of capitalism, when you're asked "why are vtubers good?" then you need to have better answers than "all women are whores" or "they contain the incels."

>>103021604 (OP)
>I had a boyfr-
stopped reading there, I don't care about the opinions of whores
didnt read your post at all btw

>>103025877
>I don't think you have to be a hopeless young man to enjoy them
You'd have to be one to consider watching them from the get go.

>>103022441
popstars are not idols, they're musicians. japan has non-idol musicians too
not having a boyfriend and the special bond they have with the fans are essential to being an idol, without that they're not idols anymore

>>103025979
I didn't say that I had one. I think your lack of reading comprehension is a key factor in your desire to blame women for your problems.

>>103026020
>You'd have to be one to consider watching them from the get go.
For someone posting on a board about vtubers, you have a curiously low opinion of them.

>>103026057
>not having a boyfriend and the special bond they have with the fans are essential to being an idol, without that they're not idols anymore
If idol culture is to survive, it must purge this sickness.

>>103026233
Just a realistic one. If they had mass market appeal the audience would be there.

>>103021604 (OP)
Go ahead and have a boyfriend. Just know that no one is obligated to throw you free money for being a useless talentless waste of space human being with a vagina. Get a real job you fucking losers

>>103025477
have you missed all the hiatuses and crashouts this week? EN vtubing is dying. only Hololive and hobby vtubers will remain

Be honest, fat sissy

>>103021604 (OP)
>no love rule
and they still get caught or "suddenly" marry half a year after leaving the group as if they found their true love that fast (just like fauna/nimi) and autistic japs with their inability to establish causality eat it all up. Funniest shit ever.

>>103025515
>>103025843
/corpo/ in a nutshell

>>103026499
Hiatuses and crashouts are hardly unique to the EN sphere. Still seeing plenty of 4 and 5views going strong.

>>103026519
I don't begrudge Hololive their success. They were the first that the alg put in my feed, and I still watch them on occasion. After watching them for a bit, I realized that I actually liked the vtuber concept in general, and I branched out past Hololive and found some that were more to my taste.

>>103026725
way above average. something's up.

>>103025515
go back to twitter

>>103026770
yeah? like who

>>103026395
>If they had mass market appeal the audience would be there.
If they didn't have mass market appeal, they wouldn't be in Taco Bell commercials and singing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" in major league stadiums.

>>103026392
Sickness? There's nothing wrong with purity. It's been a virtue since ancient times. You just sound like an angry subversive when you call it sickness. You're also trying to cut the nose to spite the face here. If an idol wants to get married she simply needs to graduate.

>>103026841
Ex-VSJ+, Clauvio, Chibidoki, Dokibird, and Onigiri, to name a few.

>>103026864
>Sickness? There's nothing wrong with purity. It's been a virtue since ancient times. You just sound like an angry subversive when you call it sickness. You're also trying to cut the nose to spite the face here. If an idol wants to get married she simply needs to graduate.

imagine being a moralfag in the year 2011+14

>>103026820
>way above average. something's up.
The American bourgeoisie are stripping the copper wiring out of the walls before beating feet to countries with no extradition. That's what's up.

>>103021604 (OP)
>24/7
you mean when they choose to stream for a few hours at most.

>>103027010
No, the expectation continues after they close the stream. I'd say that's the problem, but it's really a symptom of a larger one.

>>103026951
how come you never replied to my holodomor post?

>>103026911
Purity is an otaku virute as well.
Get out of my hobby you politics brain rotted retard.

>>103021604 (OP)
the job specifically depends on keeping male fans happy and getting their donations and support. if they have merch, it's usually junk. the product they sell is themselves. it makes sense to actually keep the fans happy. if they can't handle that they can go get a job outside of entertainment.

>>103027063
and all they have to do to meet that expectation is fuck all. literally just don't tweet
>can't wait to go on a date with jamal
on their vtuber account.

>>103027098
NTA but that's so untrue to the point of ridiculous hypocrisy. Otaku are some of the biggest gooners in all of collective nerddom. Take one trip to Akihabara or Ikebukuro and tell me if you still think this way.

>>103027098
>Purity is an otaku virute as well.
Get out of my hobby you politics brain rotted retard.
No.
>>103027138
>the job specifically depends on keeping male fans happy and getting their donations and support. if they have merch, it's usually junk. the product they sell is themselves. it makes sense to actually keep the fans happy. if they can't handle that they can go get a job outside of entertainment.
There are strong economic incentives to cater to a male audience. This is not the fault of vtubing, as I've explained.
>>103027144
>and all they have to do to meet that expectation is fuck all. literally just don't tweet
>>can't wait to go on a date with jamal
>on their vtuber account.
Ah, hello anons who just skipped most of the thread! This poster also didn't read the thread or is hoping that you haven't. This is obviously bullshit, because vtubers are snooped on all the time against their will and suffer the same if not worse consequences when it's discovered that they're human. It would also be weird and upsetting if Nimi had to take some baby downtime out of nowhere and didn't tell her audience why.

>>103027273
You've misunderstood me.
Pure women and whores can get along just fine. There's value in having both. Do I have to spell it out? Virgin girls have always been in high demand. But so have all kinds of debauched sluts.
Just like pure idols have their place in the wide world of music and entertainment. It isn't sickness at all.

I think Holo JP/Niji JP are pretty great examples of idols working with sluts in the same enviroment while maintaining their unique quality.

>>103027273
It's also not good that this is the kind of "purity" with which they're concerned.

>>103027432
>You've misunderstood me.
>Pure women and whores can get along just fine. There's value in having both. Do I have to spell it out? Virgin girls have always been in high demand. But so have all kinds of debauched sluts.
>Just like pure idols have their place in the wide world of music and entertainment. It isn't sickness at all.
>I think Holo JP/Niji JP are pretty great examples of idols working with sluts in the same enviroment while maintaining their unique quality.
The problem is when this "purity" becomes a requirement. It is antithetical to healthy relationships, both for the idols and the audience.

>>103025807
As the OP, I can confirm that a lot of the posts are mine. The rest are mostly people just regurgitating the same "human nature, reading is hard, get out of my hobby faggot" shit and hoping that I go away. I am here to disappoint them, and then educate them.

Hard agree, idol culture is fucking awful,

>>103027851
Faggot OP are you the commie as well

>>103027994
I am a communist, yes.

>>103023481
Interesting. Thanks!

>>103021604 (OP)
>average reddit tranny post
>WE *points to the imaginary crowd behind him, cheering him on and clapping* NEED TO DO SOMETHING!
How about hang yourself and livestream it?

>>103028004
So this is a thread where OP the faggot commie self-important college kid tries to lecture about the dangers of idol culture.

>>103028047
>>average reddit tranny post
>>WE *points to the imaginary crowd behind him, cheering him on and clapping* NEED TO DO SOMETHING!
>How about hang yourself and livestream it?
I am a cisgender male. What do you have against trans people?

>>103028113
>So this is a thread where OP the faggot commie self-important college kid tries to lecture about the dangers of idol culture.
Not really. I've said multiple times that there are many aspects of it that are worth preserving.

So is your solution just to shoot every lonely guy in existence? Because that sounds about the only way to do it.