Thread 103064377

She's spending a corpo's worth of cash on a single debut for an indie. This is only going to set a ridiculous bar for corpotubers that most companies can't meet due to not being financially feasible. What is her real endgame? Total indie dominance?

what the fuck is the point of a fancy 3d debut as an indie

>>103064427
Money from fans. Then later, they'll reveal that they had already signed with VShojo.

>>103064377 (OP)
Like she points out in the last paragraph, the actually big companies like Hololive and Nijjisanji can do the same shit she does for much cheaper because a lot of the costs are already sunk costs for them. They don't need to pay to rent a 3D studio, they have their own with staff they already pay, they would be wasting money not to do debuts because they have to pay the staff either way and the 3D studio they already bought years ago would just be going unused and depreciating in value. Lots of 3D assets can get reused between many shows and debuts instead of being built from scratch for each and every event. The more they use it the better value they get out of it. The economics of renting vs owning are just completely different.

>>103064495
>sunk costs
Make sure you understand what it means before you use it.

>>103064427
fun

>>103064427
You could ask the same shit for corpos.

At first I thought it was financial stupidity. But if she has the money to do it, and the fanbase is comfortable that their contributions are going towards this, what's the problem?
If she were heavily borrowing money to fund this, or if this would wipe out her savings, investments and emergency fund and they would take a long time to recover would I see an issue.

>>103064377 (OP)
>This is only going to set a ridiculous bar for corpotubers
Why?
Holo and Niji don't need to care since they already have their own studios (most of that cost came from renting a studio). On the other hand, smaller corpos' members don't have that much spare money to spend on an event so it's not like they can just drop their corpos either.

How far will the chinese go before they realize they are universally hated in every corner of the internet and that nijisanji would've died no matter what happened to selen

KWAG (Kek What A Grifter)

>>103064377 (OP)
>his is only going to set a ridiculous bar for corpotubers
Not at all. The bar was set by Clio Aite from Phase Connect. She had a great 3D debut with a great model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf2tgFikqJk

If a hag and technically illiterate like Clio can do it, so can many younger people from the comfort of their homes.

>>103065056
>but what about clio
Do you go into every thread on the board to shill your tranny?

>>103064427
Why do you care

>>103065056
Different category. Clio's 3D debut is great and all, but it's just home 3D. Going by what she said, Selen is aiming for a 3D live (concert or skit or whatever) kind which is quite a bit grander and more expensive in scale

>>103064377 (OP)
>Set a ridiculous bar
I thought indiefags were already gloating because they were saying they can rent a 3D studio before doki said this, so this is not new.

>>103064377 (OP)
She's just bad with money

She never got the big 3d with the subs she earned as selen so this is making up for that. She equates money with love because she's chinese, she'll blow everything she's ever earned for the fans. It's kinda retarded and definitely unhealthy but comes from a good place.

>>103064961
Maybe before today but we live in a post Gigi 3D debut world now

>>103064377 (OP)
>This is only going to set a ridiculous bar
lmfao no. What set corpos apart from indies is that they can do this shit multiple times in a row. Sure her 3D debut is all fun and great, but will she do another 3D stream again in the future? If 100k is already spent on ONE stream, how much would it cost for her to make 3D content for many different occasions?

Also not to mention, she isn't an INDIE indie. She got famous because Niji wronged her and she gained massive support overnight, so finance should not be her problem. But this will create high bar for OTHER INDIES who don't even have money to make music, let alone a 3D debut. Indies who never went to corpo should not follow Doki and the ex-corpos as an example because they will bankrupt themselves fast if they do

>>103064377 (OP)
>This is only going to set a ridiculous bar for corpotubers that most companies can't meet due to not being financially feasible
She is setting no bars at all. All she's doing is setting herself up for failure again.

>>103065785
>so finance should not be her problem
Yet.

As soon as I saw that thread about NotRyoma's tweets (the day Reimu announced her graduation to boot) I started searching the catalog for a totally organic Doki/Mint deflection thread, and lo and behold here it is

>>103064427
>what the fuck is the point of giving your fans something as a thank you for their support

>>103064961
It's a lot cheaper for corpo to do a studio 3D stream than indies, though (assuming similar contents). Not having to pay for studio session and studio staffs makes thing a lot cheaper

>>103065056
>She

Why is she always so bad with money

>>103065056
phase fag that is not a proper 3D debut
god you are so clueless

>>103065056
There's a reason why you gorilla niggers will never get more than .6%.

>>103067621
and you'll keep only getting graduations
I'm not that anon but after 4 years of you monkeys doing victory laps while everything falls the fuck apart I couldn't give a shit what retards that can't understand percentages think

>>103065056
>The bar was set
>It's just looking at her motionless 3D model and using a few built-in animations
Have you never watched a 3D debut ever? That's insanely pathetic

I don’t understand 3D debut culture
I have seen Doki in 3D already you have already debuted it

>>103067718
What is there to misunderstand about 0.6%? That means your entire company has less than a hundredth of the viewership share and that's spread across 31 members

This is one of those threads where I'm just not mentally ill enough to understand what the fuck OP is on about.

>>103065056
This did seem better in quality than the other Phase models. I'm guessing Phase had nothing to do with it.

>>103068150
It is not even close to the quality of model phase uses for their concerts

>>103065056
Filian's normal streams are more 3D than whatever this is.

>>103064427
She's using the money to give back to her fans for all the support she's been receiving.

>>103064377 (OP)
Total indie dominance is a noble and just goal.

>>103064377 (OP)
Isn't this the woman who has tons of money troubles? Is she retarded?

>>103064982
>or if this would wipe out her savings, investments and emergency fund
I do wonder that sometimes, Doki's throwing money around like crazy

>>103068150
>I'm guessing Phase had nothing to do with it.
Correct, which is also why she didn't have to wait a billion years to get it and is allowed to use it for regular streaming

>>103064377 (OP)
God I hate her. What a thinly veiled cash grab. "I...it's okay dragoons, I'm just a lil indie but you deserve more..but it's soooo expensive, golly jeepers. If only I had more money ...."
Give me a fucking break, how do they fall for this. 100k for a 3D stream lmao.

>>103066543
Hold up what did he say? Don't take Ryoma away...he's the only not shitty male vtuber I've ever seen

>>103065069
Yes, but what about Clio tho lil nigga

>>103068622
>>103041687

>>103068577
plenty of girls in phase have 3d models of all varying degrees pippa has several, lia has several, one of the jps has one, mari has some, lumi has like 4, hime has a couple, shiina has some, panko has one etc
any time a vtuber says they want 3d, they almost certainly do not mean home 3d for 3d streams
they are talking about concerts which is a completely different league than what clio has

>>103068577
Doesn't seem her geriatric ass is going to do much with that model.

>allowed to use it for regular streaming
The one with official models aren't?

>>103064377 (OP)
Time for a new manager.
>Why did i change the manager again? UMMM opinion differences? I guess??

>>103067881
Same.according to retardation, picrel is somehow a girl who has yet to make her 3d debut when she has been 3d all over the world from new york to tokyo to cali to texas

>>103068906
I dont think "allowed" is the correct phrasing. They want them to do 3d debuts which is a crock of shit and may never happen because Phase pretty much only wants to use 3d for concerts, and when the girls are in the recording studio they are focusing on recording the concert not a channel debut and i don't think phase will fly them to tokyo just for 3d channel debut

>>103065056
Phase nigga, this is just Warudo
Anyone that has a model uses Warudo now.
WAAAY different from a 3D from a studio.

>>103068906
According to unwritten rules, you're supposed to do 3D channel debut first, then use it for concerts. Phase, because they did it in reverse, are stuck in a loop situation. People had a shit fit last
Now you have indies that have followed Phase's trend of using 3D for concerts first, but not actually having a channel debut until everybody has actually seen your model so what is the point
at that point don't call it a 3D debut, just say you are doing a 3D live on your channel and call it a day
frankly, I think it is infinity more special that Lia made her real 3D debut at ANYC, Pippa and Tenma made their 3D debut at Offkai, Lumi made her 3D debut at the Vtuber Awards, Doki and Mint made their 3D debuts at FantomTheif (Mint was at the Phase ANYC show, but was chibi so I give allowance that chibi 3D is not the same).

>>103068775
Yeah ones that Nyana commissioned for them because Phase is literally just a coffee company with vtuber mascots.

>>103064427
She wants her fans to have a good show.

>>103064377 (OP)
>3D debut
>Has already done a 3D concert
>Model she's 'debuting' isn't even different from the rush job one that was done for the concert
Is she retarded?

>>103064377 (OP)
The benefits corpos with a studio have is that the costs are reduced because they own the studio and the staff needed for it.
Doki is paying way more than a corpo has to shoulder per 3D event.

But doki, you already have this gorgeous 3d debut

>>103064377 (OP)
It won't be good though. The bar will be low, she will flop hard. Not for pushing the medium, not for her fans, but all for her own vanity.

>>103064377 (OP)
What point? She is wasting too much money.
100k for a 3D event by herself is stupid.

>>103064377 (OP)
She once said that the only real way you could buy her exclusivity, like for a twitch/youtube only deal, or if say Brave wanted to buy her out, would be to give her enough money to set up a 3D studio she could rent to other NA vtubers for cheap prices.

>>103071824
Then what can she bring back for them to cover the loss, not to mention the profit? 100k USD

>>103067881
To them, 3D debut is more of a very specific, special kind of stream/video, just like how some vtubers consider themselves pre-debut. It's meant to be a celebratory milestone or something. Usually they try to make the 3D debut something personalized and is expected to represent them long into the future.

Personally, my favorite examples of 3D debuts are Fuwamoco, Gavis Bettel, and Shiori's. Each one was extremely important and well thought out in portraying exactly what kind of streamer they wanted to be known as. (As much as this place hates the homos, I highly recommend checking his out. Very 00's youtube humor)

>>103072182
A single good 3D camera that these studios have cost $100,000

>>103066575
>Not having to pay for studio session and studio staffs makes thing a lot cheaper
They have to pay, in the case of debut the company pays, for other things it's not so clear

>>103072182
Fuck if I know. It was just a crazy what-if she mentioned when talking about what she'd do if given a few million dollars from a tangent about youtubers' exclusivity deals.

Realistically it'd probably operate at a loss without being rented for big corpo stuff too (not necessarily vtubers) but she seems generally okay with that.

For some reason, Doki is obsessed with helping the very concept of vtubers. It's why her main inspirations from the start were always Ame (mostly due to early myth and her resourcefulness) and Shibuya Hal (Who she's stated outright that she wants to be the western version of).

>>103072277
Yes, I mean, what is the benefit of buying her exclusivity, which requires expensive 3D thing? How much revenue can she generate to cover those costs after did the 3d

It's really simple if
>You've done a concert/stream with a 3D model
>Said Model isn't temporary and is the finalized model you will use for all future 3D events
You have had already had a 3D debut. Therefore since she's already confirmed the model from last year's concert IS he finalized model she has already done a debut. This is all just a grift

>>103072459
Oh, no it's just that she wants to set one up with or without it. Just a what-if/extreme long term goals.

>>103065056
>She

>>103067718
>Malding so much that he slowly became ESL

>>103064427
Doki hates money and desperately needs someone to manage her spending. In fact she spends in such excess I wouldn't be surprised if she's down in the hole and still digging deeper.

>>103072499
I will take it this far
>Is there a video on your channel of you in your official 3D model in action?
either full stream or if you used it in a music video or if you uploaded your part from a concert using it
if so, then the model already debuted on your channel

>>103072276
I watched a Bettel stream once because I saw someone call him vtuber Jerma and honestly I did find him fun to watch, still won't regularly watch them but I genuinely feel like 90% of the people who "gave them a chance and still hate them" probably just say it so they can continue using them to shitpost while "being validated"

>>103072366
I can't speak for small corpos since I have no clue how it works there, but this is untrue for Hololive (and likely for Niji as well).
It's true that Cover pays for everything in the debuts (there is a cap, though). However, Holo members still get free studio sessions, studio staffs and studio assets after their debuts (have to apply for it and the wait is usually long, admittedly). They also might get one new asset created for them (can "buy" more using their internal accessory points earned by attending official events) each time. They do have to pay for everything else on their own, but those are generally optional.
That's why Kiara'd rather delay her 3D live for months to use Cover studio to save money instead of just using an external studio

>>103073126
>>103070726
In that case it's really just the wording that's off.
3D showcase I think much better describes them.
Doki's 3D was in production long before the concert, though. It was made by KarakuriPower, who also does work for holo (Specifically Sora, Kiara, and Ollie).
Also Mint was the one who had the rush job model. She's since shown her new, higher quality model but I can't remember who made it.

>>103068746
Oh. Well that ain't shit, good for him for taking a dump on Aster's corpse. I bet he wanted to beat that punks ass for ruining his gen kayfabe

>>103075081
Did his gen actually play up the kayfabe?

>>103064427
What's the point of you lol

>>103064895
>>103066573
>>103068330
>>103070580

>>103068578
Dokibird secured their loyalty during the termination crisis. The PR stars aligned so that she wound up channeling all the pent up anger at Nijisanji and becoming a sort of "saint among v-tubers" in the eyes of many viewers. She sometimes will abuse her power in a joking manner, and the Dragoons will respond in kind by jokingly abandoning her, but all differences are resolved in 24 hours.

>>103064377 (OP)
>What is her real endgame? Total indie dominance?
To put on a good show for her fans that supported her all this time?

>>103064377 (OP)
>my budget is the regular price range from Niji and Hololive
What I've learn from Doki is that she does not care as much for the money making aspect (ala Shylily, Sinder) but she is really competitive. She thinks a lot about ccv and presentation. That's why she could not abandon the Selen image; that's why she could not dismiss corpo life despite being screwed over, Niji still had their shit together in her eyes and Doki "had less work and could do more projects back then".

Doki is not Mint. She doesn't really have a reason to pour that much money on stuff like this. This is more a pride thing at this point; Doki "can't rest until she hits one million subs". Guessing one million is the proof for her that she beat her old self and hold concerts with this budget is the proof for her that she can stand with Niji and Holo.

>>103075765
Nonsense. There must be some overarching motive that comports to my schizo vision of vtubing as an ideological battleground.

>>103064377 (OP)
>Nijisanji gives 100k for debuts
I thought that they gave them nothing though?

Ngl, I just wanted to watch her play elden ring and she wouldn't stop trying to convince herself that wasting all that money was a good idea especially how she revealed that she's saving for a house
Kinda getting sick of how she constantly has to talk about how much money she's spending and then goes on vacations every other weak
Think I'm turning into an anti

>>103077177
>every other weak

>>103075765
Her goal is to disintegrate a shit ton of money just like she did in Niji and making no profit again for the year again

>>103071824
So she's saying she wants a multi million dollar contract. As if that'll happen

>>103064377 (OP)
that woman legit shouldnt be allowed around money
someone lock down her bank account

>>103078528
Hence why she is a true, born-again indie who we can always rely on to stay indie. Whereas corpos may be able to tempt Mint and others who periodically waver in their faith to the ideal of independent vtubing, Dokibird is incorruptible.

Home 3D is more than enough for what a lot of vtubers want to do, hardly anyone actually needs the precision you'd get in a studio. This is just showboating and burning money.

>>103065056
great 3d model ... but whats up with that voice?

>>103073952
They are not 100% free, IDs don't have 3Ds as often because they can't afford them, they told us themselves, they are also already paying them with the 50% cut of sc and whatever % they pay of merch and sponsor deals,

>>103064427
because all of EN vtubing thinks, consciously or otherwise, that they should copy whatever hololive English does and that this is what EN vtubing is; everything down to even minute things like the fact that such a stream is called a 3D ""debut"" is because of this and this is the absolute truth and the only real explanation.

>>103077177
>then goes on vacations every other weak
This is how I know you never watched her

>>103064567
They used it correctly though

Dokibird is not a singer or a dancer so I don't understand why she feels like she needs this.
Nobody watches you for that stuff or thinks of you in that kind of way, so why waste your money and time?

>>103079236
Cuz we like hearing our girl perform something she's practiced very hard.
We love her personality and how hard she works to put on cool shows for us, no matter what they are.
So if she wants to sing and dance on stage, ywe're gonna show up and cheer her on.

>>103080496
you know that's not really her dancing on that webm, right?

>>103064567
look at this retard

>>103080569
lol. Seethe

>>103080496
So blatantly fake that it insults my intelligence
Anyways you should not want your oshi to go $100k in the hole for idol stuff that is not her passion. We know what her passion is. At least blow the money on that

>>103081123
>>103080569
projection.
Sorry your organs are too lazy and don't care enough about you to practice anything.

>>103071349
This is how she actually dance btw

>>103064567
Pick up a book dragoon

>chinese
>only talks about money
Is in her blood

>>103077177
That's her money, you have no right to keep it from her. Now pay up.

>>103068530
If spending 150k wipes out the savings of a person supposedly making 600k-1million last year then clearly she's not spending very wisely.

>>103071349
You do know that's the official dance for it, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-AZzg6-eTU
This is the one she did at AX after working with choreo guys to spice it up.
https://files.catbox.moe/7wjc3m.mp4

>>103081528
>Fagoons think this preschool shit is impressive
lol

>>103081616
>nijibrown moving the goalpost

>>103081758
>Not being impressed by a preschool dance is moving the goalpost
lol

>>103064427
>type of shit corpobrained retards spout
learn to enjoy things faggot

>>103081616
They really do seem to be coping when objectively it's clear that she lacks any semblance of soul. She wants to pay for people to make her look good but makes no effort herself. If I was her fan I would rather have her work herself on a 3D showcase with her own effort that costs $0 than some manufactured crap that only strokes her ego and will be forgotten instantly.

>>103081528
>This is the one she did at AX after working with choreo guys to spice it up.
If you have eyes and you can't tell the person dancing in this second video is not the same person dancing here >>103071349 , I don't think I can help you.

>>103078714
No way IDs would've gotten any personal 3D at all (except perhaps Reine) if they had to pay for studio and staffs at market price. Kiara said she tried to look for an external studio at similar level as Cover and they all cost several tens of thousands up to hundred thousand euro each sessions.
Keep in mind, though, that they still have to pay for external stuffs which aren't really cheap themselves either

>>103081894
That was an issue for her during her time as Selen. At some point she started equating paying for shit and putting in the work and people praised her for it so it stuck. It didn't took long before I snapped out of it.

>>103081960
>what is practice?
There's nothing especially hard about the choreo, anon. She's not doing double flips and shit like NijiJP.

>>103064427
It's to gatekeep poorfags out of this hobby.

>>103082074
How much time passed between the first screen recorded video and the produced one?

>>103082243
Seven months. It's not even the same event

>>103082271 (me)
Actually, eight months. I miscalculated

>>103082109
Sounds like something Selen "I'm making more than you" Tatsuki would do

>>103071349
It's crazy they cured Doki's muscular dystrophy in only 6 months a medical marvel

>>103082318
>doctors a fake discord chat but forgets to change the times
>posts it everywhere
The sister special.

>>103082271
>>103082314
Not the same person, unless she hardly streamed those 8 months to practice day and night

>>103082392
Anon I could make those movements in a few nights by just copying her.
She worked with a professional dance instructor, as well as a choreo guy for roughly an entire month straight.
And yes, she did have incredibly reduced stream hours that month.

>>103071349
this is the genuine artifact

>>103080496
this is hysterical

>>103082364
>The discord leak is fake
How many times are we going to do this?

it's entirely believable that she became a better dancer than Mint after only 4 dances classes.

If becoming a dancer was so easy and can be done over such a short period of time, then why doesnt literally 80% of the holos do it cause they are full of singers who cant dance? Because it cant be done and it is not real.

>>103082561
Bet this retard believes everything from the CNN/MSN lmao

>>103082502
>Anon I could make those movements in a few nights by just copying her.
No you couldn't, get real.
>an entire month straight.
It was just one month?? You don't go from the first performance to the second one after one month of practice.

>>103071349
Dokis dancing makes Ina's look like Bae's

>>103067881
>>103072276
for indies it's just a grift to make money

for hololive it's an actual special event that also makes them money

>>103082697
Keep coping, everyone knows it's real

>>103083989
As real as the Holocaust

>>103084049
This is true.
Good comparison, anon. Both are widely accepted as fact because they are in fact true.

>>103084125
Good goy, keep supporting the wholesome chungus democracy!

>>103084272
>>103084049
go back

>>103084298
>globohomo melty

>>103064427
She never got one from the kuro company. She had to watch her enemies who tormented her for over 2 years enjoy their 3D and doesn't want to be overshadowed by one of her bullies (the latina one) graduating.

>>103064377 (OP)
lol that's 500 000 in my currency

They have money like that, Filian recently paid 20k just for shits and giggles in new mocap suit with Layna

>>103083989
I like how suddenly THIS specific unsourced, out of character screenshot is somehow real, but all of the previous leaks that had damn forensic evidence and eventually resulted in people getting fired were all fake.

>>103064377 (OP)
why are vtubers so BAD with money?

>>103085238
Watch MTV cribs, this has always been the case. Rich person has a lot of money > gets bored > buys their 6th car to never use it

>>103064377 (OP)
Doki loves to talk about money to bait donations from her fans. She did it all the time as Selen.

>>103085991
>transparency is bad, actually.

>>103085238
>Why are women so bad with money?
FTFY

>>103064567
Look in a mirror and get back to us dipshit.

>>103084640
>out of character
Doki has proudly made fun of someone on marvel because she thinks she makes more money than him. The account information matches up, if you want to prove it's fake , go ahead

>>103087105
No, Scarle's the one out of character, retard. The marvel rivals one is a conveniently cropped picture too that completely falls apart when looking at the context, or even just the other messages in the chain.

>>103064377 (OP)
>fucking bitch, how dare she...
>*checks notes*
>make high production value content!

>>103082318
Setting aside the real/fake question that I don't give a fuck about: If you get offended at people freely offering critical financial information like how much they get paid just because they make more than you, you're a fucking sucker who probably gets underpaid by literally everyone you have ever worked for and are a fucking retard who deserves to get scammed. In fact, that's what you want to happen since you demand to be blind to how you're getting scammed so much you want everyone else to be complicit in your scamming by ensuring they can't notify you of it.

>>103088256
>freely offering critical financial information like how much they get paid
She didn't offer any information. She just said she got paid more. Why didn't she say exactly the amount she got paid instead of just laughing about it if she wanted to help? You're so retarded that it wraps back around to being funny

>>103088374
You really missed the point. Even if she was a fucking demon making fun of you that's a perfect chance to naturally ask them exactly how much. If they really were mocking you, there's no way they could resist shoving the number in your face. All these fucking wageslaving morons whining about her behavior are trying to discourage high income earners from over sharing and mocking them? Are they stupid?

>>103088633
It's probably an asian thing to get this upset over this.
I'm still curious why despite all these claims of Selen being a "bully," they don't have a single case of it ever happening beyond a skit during a stream.

Thenagain these are the girls who hear Selen die and say "FUCK ME" and think she's actively trying to screw their man.

>>103088633
>If they really were mocking you, there's no way they could resist shoving the number in your face
No. They would just tell you they're making more and let you wonder how much you're making so you feel like shit. If she really wanted to help, she'd have offered help instead of laughing at her
>skit during a stream
Selen's crash outs in Vsaikyo weren't a skit. Selen's seethe in that Apex collab with Finana and Elira wasn't a skit either

>>103088847
>Selen's crash outs in Vsaikyo weren't a skit.
They also mysteriously stopped the instant she left Niji. Regardless, I asked for proof of bullying outside of stream skits and you gave me crash outs. Who exactly was being bullied in these situations? C'mon, I'm asking for one of those leaks like we saw with Aster, Nina talking about Ethyria completely isolating her, or the time Petra mentioned wanting to go to a place with everybody, and Wilson heard it, took everyone EXCEPT her to that place, and then sent photos after the fact.
>Selen's seethe in that Apex collab with Finana and Elira wasn't a skit either
Ahhh, you really can't understand English if you thought she was mad at either of them despite quite literally saying she planned to lose to prove a retarded point.

>>103089038
>They also mysteriously stopped the instant she left Niji.
They didn't
>Regardless, I asked for proof of bullying outside of stream skits
She bullied bonbon, Axel and Reimu
>Not being invited to game nights is bullying
LMAO
>Wilson going to a cafe with other people is bullying
KEK. There's no way this is what's considered bullying by not outright shitting on people for entire collabs
>She lost on purpose
HOLY COPE

>>103089197
>They didn't
They did. Since then she's either performed well or had a great time at each competitive event she's attended.
>She bullied bonbon, Axel and Reimu
fucking how?
>KEK. There's no way this is what's considered bullying by not outright shitting on people for entire collabs
Yes, it is bullying to crush somebody's hopes by doing an event that they desperately wanted to do without them, and then sending them photos of "wish you were here!" so that they feel even worse for missing that chance.
Or being part of a group of 4 and spending months preparing to work together for the near future, only to find out that everyone else has been hanging out specifically without you and were intentionally isolating you from the group.
THAT is bullying. Depriving somebody of something and twisting the knife afterwards. A clear, intentional act meant to hurt a victim either physically or emotionally.
>HOLY COPE
Post the transcript if you don't believe me.

>>103089447
>Since then she's either performed well or had a great time at each competitive event she's attended.
Seethed at street fighter tournament. Seethed at an Apex tournament. Had her greatest seethe in Marvel tournaments
>fucking how?
Made bonbon cry and shit talked him all stream. Made Axel be IGL, constantly shamed him and shit talked him for the tournament. Then threw the game in the end. She shit talked Vsaikyo and Reimu for letting Reimu in before her because they "only accept low skill players"
>An event
Eating at a cafe without someone isn't bullying, retard.
>Everyone has been hanging out without you
So you cry when your friends do anything without you? You sound like you're friendless for a reason
>She said she lost on purpose
More cope

>>103089593
>Seethed at street fighter tournament. Seethed at an Apex tournament. Had her greatest seethe in Marvel tournaments
lol nice try
>Made bonbon cry and shit talked him all stream. Made Axel be IGL, constantly shamed him and shit talked him for the tournament. Then threw the game in the end. She shit talked Vsaikyo and Reimu for letting Reimu in before her because they "only accept low skill players"
Again, you don't understand what bullying is. There is a difference between lashing out when upset and intentionally bullying somebody.
>So you cry when your friends do anything without you? You sound like you're friendless for a reason
If I tell specifically one of them how much I want to take all of them to that place with me, and then start making preparations to do so, and right before I'm about to set it up said "friend" already did it but without me, then yes, that's bullying. I can no longer have that experience with them. The friend knew about what I wanted, how much I wanted it, and how I was in the process of making it happen. And they instead went behind my back and made sure that everybody had that experience but me.
>More cope
Post the transcript. I know you won't because she says it very explicitly.

>>103089763
>There is a difference between lashing out when upset and intentionally bullying somebody.
Cope
>Wilson is a bully for eating somewhere without Petra
He said he made the plan but that Petra was busy so they went anyways and that it wasn't a big deal because he could just go with her again. Are you a woman? Not even Petra was upset at this
>Selen said she willingly lost for hours on purpose so she did
Cope more

>>103090171
>Cope
I don't need to. You're the one trying to change history.
>Not even Petra was upset at this
Dude she was crying while telling the story before immediately walking it back after realizing what she just said could hurt her and niji.
>Cope more
Waiting on that transcript

>>103090212
>Lashing out on somebody in the public eye and shit talking them isn't bullying
Retard
>She was crying
https://www.youtube.com/live/tbHR-iOk54w?si=knI7jkyR2PGS1QJz
Does this sound like crying to you?
>Transcript
Selen's mad ranting after losing for hours isn't evidence

>>103090298
>>Lashing out on somebody in the public eye and shit talking them isn't bullying
Yes, anon. That's not bullying. That's just an outburst. Bullying is intentional, and none of that vitriol remains once the stream turns off and everybody calms down.
Bullying is when you desperately want a corporate collab, the opportunity comes up, and you take it for yourself despite not sharing any of the intended audience for that collab instead of giving it to the intended recipient while they just cry about how they hope they get picked next time.
>Does this sound like crying to you?
Have you ever spoken to a real human being?
>Selen's mad ranting after losing for hours isn't evidence
Anon, selen set up the collab with it completely rigged against her, and then explained why she made the collab in depth.
If that's not evidence of her planning to lose, what is?

>>103079236
I know she's not a singer but that doesn't change that she really wants to sing. I... like her enthusiasm I guess.

>>103090539
>Shitting on someone for hours isn't bullying. Accepting a job someone else wants is
Woman behavior
>Doesn't answer the question
So she wasn't crying. I accept your concession
>Selen thought she was better than all of three of them combined and wasn't so she made up an excuse on how she planned to lose the whole time
Based retard. Then why was she so mad?

>>103089763
how much of a fucking retard are you? being mean to someone isn't bullying! but being mean o someone IS bullying! Fucking kek, fagoons are the lowest form of life on earth, excep Doki herself

>>103090627
>Nijitroon projecting

>>103090620
>Woman behavior
When the only reason you take that job is so the other person can't have it, yes. Yes it is.
>So she wasn't crying. I accept your concession
Like I said, complete lack of empathy or ability to recognize tone of voice.
>Based retard. Then why was she so mad?
She explained her twisted reasoning pretty clearly. She was upset with all the antis hating on her because some sisters were hyping her up like a FPS jesus, so she planned the kill race to lower everyone's expectations and show people that she was just human.
It was a retarded plan, but that's what she did.
>>103090627
An outburst while emotional is just that. An outburst. After the stream was over, they were still friends and regularly contacted each other. All of them bar Reimu even went to bat for her during the termination. Elira meanwhile upon hearing that Selen tried to kill herself just cried crocodile tears about how selen was somehow a monster hurting the company and then timed her video to release when it would cause the most emotional damage publicly.

>>103081476
>Doki
>savings
I have some doubts

>>103065069
>>103066593
>>103072784
>>103078677
Y'all are the people that see AI and think it's real. Listen for more than 120 seconds and it starts to set in it's not a tranny voice

>>103090735
>When the only reason you take that job is so the other person can't have it
More pure delusion. Seethe more, fag
>She was totally gonna cry
But instead she gets over it immediately after he promises he'll go with her later? How retarded are you?
>Long cope not even related as to why she was so angry if she was expecting to lose
Retard

>>103090784
Please understand, people here never talked to older women

>>103090799
I am thankful that you will never breed. You really should end your blood line as soon as possible.

>>103090947
I accept your concession

>>103064377 (OP)
>BTW IM SPENDING THIS MUCH ON IT PLEASE DONATE
Bruh even Ironmouse did this shit, like ok we know it cost a ton but don’t do it if you can’t afford it then. Feels like a grift for the fans to pay for that shit

>>103091089
Where in the post did she even ask for donations? If anything she wants more sponsors right now since they give bigger lump sums.
>inb4 she implied it through psychic mind beams

>>103091089
You're just now aware that Doki is a grifter?

>>103090561
She dropped her pro gamer/tournament organizer schtick really fast

>>103091289
dragoons are this stupid...

>>103092470
Wait, how? You can both sing and dance at a concert while also organizing events.

>>103088256
But that's quite a different attitude than painting your oshi as an innocent saint that was taken advantage of. You might as well be saying if anyone fell for her ruse it's their own fault and she had a right to bully her kouhais, bait suicide for sympathy, and use drama to beg for money. People should stop supporting such awful people in this industry. Now she wants 100k to do a 3D show, but give any random indie 100k and they will make it go a lot further in pure entertainment value. You can't defend it, you really can't.

>>103091089
I think she's just being open, and it's actually a breath of fresh air. Content creators rarely talk about money or how much big events actually cost. Doki has always been up front with it, which gives us a better view behind the scenes.

Who the fuck cares? If she wants to re-invest some of the money she's making into a cool 3D debut for her business, then bully for her.

"Won't someone please think of the corporations?" is not a response I would expect to that.

>>103092653
It's been a year and a half. Doesn't it get tiring?
You haven't changed anyone's mind, and you're wasting time thinking about the girl who got away instead of spending time with your oshis for whatever little time they have left.

>>103064377 (OP)
I like how she reinvests her earnings into her content

>>103092676
Mental gymnastics like that are going to get you hurt. All costs start at $0 and paying more isn't a virtue, not when you consider the outcome. Pay to be famous is the opposite of fresh air, it stinks.

>>103092692
Doesn't it get tiring that you have to make up ghost stories any time you read any criticism?
Stop being a loser and touch some grass. Not everybody is your mortal thread enemy if such a person ever even existed.

>>103092766
That's strange. Do you see any criticism around here?

>>103092732
>Pay to be famous
So, every single Vtuber? Minus ones who drew and rigged their own model

>>103064427
She can grift all she wants, atleast she never revealed her relationship status kek

>>103075236
Yeah big time. He and Klara acted like minions for Twisty, she bullied him around and doted on her. They always talked about the (not haunted) manor they lived in, etc. It was super kino, they had weekly collabs for a long time til all the trouble started.

>>103080496
>We
>Girl
>Perform
DYRBI?

>>103092919
They could have at least one talent all their own. One contribution to their content besides fat voice and fat laugh, no? The best vtubers are the ones that do make stuff.

>>103093687
Funny. That's not what you were saying before.

>>103092539
Do you see her organizing anything past shitty attempts at playing idol?

>>103093749
I accept your concession.

>>103064567
it means a submarine doesn't it. I hear ya brother [/spoiler] not you retarded fuck

>>103090784
still sounds how it sounds
dunno if shes a smoker of 20 years or a troon, but for a vtuber how you sound is important

What?

Nijisanji is a Temu Wannabe Shitty OEM VTuber IP Dropship Merch Company that grifted into vTubing after Riku as his Croneies failed 4 times before trying the same bullshit fly by night Shell company tactic 4x before and failed
79%% of thier business revenue before Jan-Feb 2024 was the 1/3 of the overall female audience buying their shitty Merch of the guys while 21% wast mostly the Pomudstchis and Dragoons Mercy watching and pity Superchating across JP and EN and traveling to the live events as a lot of Dragoons 1/3 of the old Overall audience and Pomudstchis 1/5 of old overall Audience could travel all around the world being those Gamer types that was playing with Bitcoin,dodgecoin,and Gamestop Stocks during Pandemic
After 1/5 of the audience left to be Momo's,1/5 left flyo be Wisps,1/5 left to be Scambers,and 1/3 left to be Doki Dragoons the 1/3 a audience left, around 240k,37k EN watchers is 92% female and now 99% of their Revenue as the $5 Spams of Fujoshis treating the place like Chip Dales is match by Aia's and Scarle's Esports Bros letting them stay in their own lane though they get no Sponsers or Collab Deals cause the Yurijoshis don't like their Western looks this don't buy their shit (99.99% of guys don't buy plushies, Diaramas, acrylic stands, stationary,wallscrolls,stickers or other such Hello Kitty Shop store shit Women and girls buy...they have catered to the female audience)
Don't know if Asters fan will follow him to his IRL streaming as it's an immersion break but other then that the Fujoshis are buying the merch and with no screw ups to cover up with merch sales they might be find
Reimus fans will obviously follow her,but since guys don't buy the Nijisanji Merch,her leaving shouldn't effect merch dales

>>103064427
because they want to do actually good stuff with their channel with the moneys they get from the support of the fans, insteand of wasting all of them into honeymoons like Nimi's Husband's Wife do.

>>103093781
You're fucking retarded

>>103095239
We don't sign our posts here, anon.
Come back after lurking a few thousand more years.

>>103093719
careful anon, pathologically lying nijisisters are under STRICT orders to never acknowledge the doxxsite being their main discussion forum and will never reply to a post bringing it up :^)

>>103095280
Ok, retard

>>103068044
>henyafag
>not mentally ill enough
lmao

>>103090735
>All of them bar Reimu even went to bat for her during the termination
Axel hasn't talked to her in months and went back to trying to collab with Niji. Elira and Finana were also there for her meltdowns
>Selen tried to kill herself
So do most mentally ill women and they usually blame everyone but themselves for it too
>Elira cried about how Selen was hurting the company
Delusional fagoon. She was crying over getting blackmailed by Selen
>Timed their video
Proof when?

>>103093719
>>103095292
Delusional.

>>103067881
it's the culture. kinda like a tradition

>>103096889
Nah, it's just stealing an idea from the corpos she supposedly hates so much

>>103094629
HOLOSEETHE

Is Doki the Piratesoftware of vtubing?

>>103098959
Yes. Her fagoons are the equivalent of his fans too

>>103064377 (OP)
The big difference between doing this as an indie or in Nijisanji is that it's gone after graduating.
This will always be hers.

Setting and preparing a budget for expected overruns is something even VShojo's leadership lacked.

>>103093719
>not what you were saying before
>anonymous board

>No Good Morning Minto
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>103099932
The difference is also her not paying in Niji and having to worry about money now

>>103071349
barely even an idol step holy

>>103080496
bro that is not her

>>103090784
holy cope

>>103092478
Fagoons always have been

>>103064377 (OP)
>>103064427
What's wrong with helping fund gigs for the industry that even supports all of this to begin with? This prolly helps bridge connections between behind the scenes jobs & more widespread applications.

>>103107301
That's some bike cuck logic

>>103090627
When Selen is a bitch, it's just an emotional outburst. When people do something without Selen, it's bullying. This is just common fagoon logic

>>103084618
This is implying Doki actually has the money and isn't being forced to live in a shitty apartment because of it

>>103107301
nothing wrong with that
the problem is that doki clearly has a problem with managing her money
unironically if there is a chuuba who needs a bf its her, this chick cant hold to 100$ for 5 minutes

>>103113094
She had her parents for her and look how that turned out

>>103113094
She's got an accountant now iirc. Also a manager, other friends in the business like Hiiro to bounce things off of, etc. She's been a lot better with things lately.
She's still gonna overspend on projects, but as far as I know she's not in danger of going broke.

Any TLDR/summary for retards (me)?

Nijiniggs have a Schrödinger's Doki in their hands, she is both poor/rich at the same time, what sort of faggotry makes them be this retarded? kek

>>103117613
She's poor and is only getting poorer by making no profit for the year again

>>103116919
Doki's planning a huge 3D that'll cost at least 100k to complete and will have similar quality to a Hololive 3D debut, so she's saving up.

Everything else is details on how the money's getting spent.

>>103116919
Doki's planning a huge 3D that'll cost at least 100k to complete and will have similar quality to a Hololive 3D debut, so she's saving up.

Everything else is details on how the money's getting spent. Stuff like flights + hotel for her guests, the production team, etc.

>>103080496
Holy shit, was a MMD dance made for this? There are movements that are too fast and well guided.

>>103119302
Which ones? Can you point out exactly which movements are "too fast and well guided?"