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Anonymous No.103077322 >>103077523 >>103077612 >>103077777 >>103078390 >>103082815 >>103085496 >>103086004 >>103086117 >>103087088 >>103088380 >>103088545 >>103088641 >>103089959 >>103091034 >>103094244 >>103096767 >>103096835 >>103096854 >>103099611 >>103099656 >>103102670 >>103106714 >>103107039
How much longer do they have left before they end up like Niji or vshojo?
Anonymous No.103077523
>>103077322 (OP)
Two to three months after Gura quit I heard
Anonymous No.103077612 >>103078746
>>103077322 (OP)
I doubt we'll hear anything really bad from them, but I expect a few more people leaving as their contracts end, Nothing nefarious just... people moving on.
At worst a few iffy managers will get thrown under the bus.
Anonymous No.103077700 >>103077885 >>103088191 >>103088557 >>103101773
They're already pretty irrelevant in the EN sphere, but likely not going to dissolve over unpaid merch and talents, given they've been creating a monopoly

>inb4 muh sub counts
Anonymous No.103077777
>>103077322 (OP)
TWO MORE WEEKS lol
Anonymous No.103077885
>>103077700
>irrelevant
>monopoly
I feel like you are too distracted having a discussion with yourself and fail to see the obvious inconsistencies in your post
Anonymous No.103077957
2 more weeks
Anonymous No.103078044
>TWO MORE WEEKS lol
Anonymous No.103078390 >>103078618 >>103079175 >>103082942 >>103088598 >>103089397
>>103077322 (OP)
Hololive "censors" things very well and people simply don't care as much

>everyone on Myth mentions that vtubing was/is very stressful, specially early on
>nu-gooba streamed more in one month than she did for an entire year at Hololive
>sleeps
>ex-Nijisanji member mentions how miserable vtubing under them was
>gets added on list n.3041 of bad things Nijisanji did on r/kurosanji, where all the top 1% posters are the equivalent of /vt/'s catalog lurkers
Anonymous No.103078618 >>103082575 >>103083332
>>103078390
You can't be serious sister. You're complaining there's not enough "work is stressful" bait threads about 4 years ago? Go make them and necro bump them yourself.
Anonymous No.103078746 >>103078889
>>103077612
Rissa is out, just waiting for next renewal
Anonymous No.103078889 >>103088474
>>103078746
that's not what she said on stream
Anonymous No.103079175
>>103078390
>>nu-gooba streamed more in one month than she did for an entire year at Hololive
That moreso a byproduct of her being an indie means she can't rest on the her laurels as nearly as much did while in Holo cuz there's not a box to reliable keep her relevant
Anonymous No.103082575
>>103078618
Anonymous No.103082815
>>103077322 (OP)
EN side has the same kind of retarded management and people working behind the scenes as Vshojo and NijiEN but like NijiEN they have the success of JP to fall back on
Anonymous No.103082942
>>103078390
>nu-gooba streamed more in one month than she did for an entire year at Hololive
She streamed less than Gura did a month after debut, though?
>b-but 2024 / 2025
Debuting / redebuting tends to refresh and give the chuubas a boost in motivation
Anonymous No.103083332
>>103078618
sorry
Anonymous No.103085496
>>103077322 (OP)
they got em good and scared so dont expect an expose
Anonymous No.103086004
>>103077322 (OP)
Never. Pekora, Miko, Suisei, Fubuki and Marine is all they need to stay at the top. Literally the dream team.
Anonymous No.103086117 >>103086282 >>103087155 >>103088246 >>103109948
>>103077322 (OP)
It's already happening. The boys and HoloID have been sounding the alarm but no one pays attention to them so...
Anonymous No.103086282
>>103086117
Nobody cares about homos. They are actually a liability. They should fuck off and become k-pop twink idols or something.
Anonymous No.103087088
>>103077322 (OP)
when fubuki leaves then you can no longer trust the company
Anonymous No.103087155
>>103086117
>the homos and HoloID
Oh no!
Anyways..
Anonymous No.103087272 >>103087520 >>103088387 >>103089135
Simple answer; they're unlikely to.

They punish people when they need punishing, even when they don't want to (Like Mel), they give fair cuts to their talents (even if people like KSON say otherwise because she wanted a bigger cut herself) they allow their talents basically unlimited time off (Gura, Shion, and Ayame have all basically been once a month streamers if that and not fired) and they actually support their talents through things (Ao was put on a health leave by management, many talent talk about the zero percent interest loans they're given for projects if they don't have the cash, etc)

So sure, talents will come and go, rules may change slightly, but overall, Cover isn't going to have any massive changes or drama.
Anonymous No.103087520
>>103087272
They do appear to have become entrenched. We haven't seen any kind of smash-and-grab scams like we just saw with Vshojo.
Anonymous No.103087773 >>103088443
>How much longer do they have left before they end up like Niji or vshojo?

Cover corp is knocking it out of the park
Anonymous No.103088191
>>103077700
So irrelevant that even this self proclaimed /lig/ger and phaseboard still has generals for every single EN and 1/2 of threads are either seething or crying about Hololive.
Anonymous No.103088246
>>103086117
fucker no they aren't, we are getting a fucking starsEN concert, and altare wasn't fucking graduating, he just needed a break
Anonymous No.103088380
>>103077322 (OP)
I heard they were going to die 2 weeks ago when Gura and Fauna left
Anonymous No.103088387 >>103088866
>>103087272
>even if people like KSON say otherwise because she wanted a bigger cut herself
time stamp?
Anonymous No.103088443 >>103088620
>>103087773
That's pathetic.
Anonymous No.103088474 >>103114070
>>103078889
NTA but a few weeks before gura graduated, she talked about how she wanted to be in the stage cube that was on the last fes "Do you think I'll be in the cube the next year? Let's aim for that"
How did that turn out?
Anonymous No.103088545
>>103077322 (OP)
based on industry insider info,
two more weeks
Anonymous No.103088557
>>103077700
>They're already pretty irrelevant in the EN sphere
idgaf which circlejerk you reside in.
HoloEN is the pinnacle of EN vtubing.
Anonymous No.103088598
>>103078390
>you gotta work your ass off and always perform if you want to be in the biggest vtuber corp in the world

I swear too many retarded vtuber fans feels like being in Hololive should is treated like a hobby.
Anonymous No.103088620 >>103097802
>>103088443
how so?
Anonymous No.103088641
>>103077322 (OP)
Two more weeks
Anonymous No.103088701 >>103088745
if some of their top idols get caught going on compensated dates with investors and japanese celebrities to something like a horse race or other spots, and are photographed, and nobody gives a shit about it. Then they will be fine no matter what, most of the nefarious shit behind the scenes gets squashed pretty fast like mori's drugged up rape party
Anonymous No.103088745 >>103088827
>>103088701
Which never happened copebud
Anonymous No.103088827
>>103088745
literal photographic proof its just holofags are a bunch of unironic cucks
Anonymous No.103088866 >>103088906
>>103088387
He's referencing the tweet Kson made in 2023 while shitting on Niji's 2% cut
Anonymous No.103088906 >>103088926 >>103099723
>>103088866
She's talking about VHOJO, not Hololive.
Anonymous No.103088926 >>103089005
>>103088906
Well Vhojo was 0%
Anonymous No.103088998 >>103089449 >>103089895 >>103089926 >>103089938 >>103103236
I heard they were tightening the leashes of all their talents, that's why some started leaving.
Is this true? or am I reading misinformation, I don't even remember where I heard this.
Anonymous No.103089005
>>103088926
>2023
>0%
...
Anonymous No.103089135 >>103089959 >>103094744 >>103116544
>>103087272
>anon really believes that the billion-dollar company is his friend
I like holo, but you're being stupid
*sql* No.103089397 >>103114010
>>103078390
Hololive has proven itself to be more competent (business-wise, not necessarily ethically) than Nijisanji. I don't recall any of their talents having to be hospitalized as a result of hazing or bullying, though.
Anonymous No.103089449 >>103090756
>>103088998
Misinformation. If you think that any leashes are being tightened, I ask you to watch Gigi's 3D debut and the La+, Nerissa, and FWMC ASMR
Anonymous No.103089895
>>103088998
It's the kind of rumor born of reading a thousand different variables a certain way. For one, all the cited "creative differences" graduations, what exactly is the creative difference? It's a broad term for a reason.
For another Pekora "literally cried on stream" cause her ideas are shot down. It's true, but the ideas were fucking raffle give aways that hit a ton of red tape. I love Pekora but cmon...
For another, the trademark kson defense that they watered down her asacoco. It's true, but you can be funny without being "look at this holo commit suicide" edgy. Asacoco 2 ended because she burnt out.
Endless instances of permission denial. There's some really retarded and egregious denials, no real way to spin that. But it depends on who you watch how much you care x holo couldn't stream x game or do x project.
Anonymous No.103089926
>>103088998
I thought thats what fans wanted, isn't that what tapping the sign was all about?
Anonymous No.103089938
>>103088998
Gigi's 3D says otherwise. Not even the craziest JP member could pull that stunt
Anonymous No.103089959 >>103114149
>>103077322 (OP)
Man you guys really can't make up your mind as to whether or not you really like Hololive or not huh?
>>103089135
Oh no so Fuwamoco didn't get their 3rd 3D Live of the year... anyways...
Anonymous No.103090579 >>103090860
not a concrete timeline but holoEN don't really have a competition atm since nijiEN on the recline and vshojo imploded. Being a monopoly in a creative industry will lead to stagnation of ideas and eventually to audience burnout. My guess maybe a few years
Anonymous No.103090756 >>103119558
>>103089449
This is probably the best argument for management restrictions. The last week has shown me that management clearly is not very creatively restrictive.
So the only restriction that ties down some talents must be japanese corpo and copyright autism.
Anonymous No.103090860
>>103090579
this wouldn't be a problem if they weren't running expensive ass concerts at big venues where people spend money on transportation instead of the company just to watch their oshis on a bigger screen
Anonymous No.103091034
>>103077322 (OP)
dalawang linggo pa
Anonymous No.103094244
>>103077322 (OP)
JP feels like it's been on life support all year. Barely any concerts, barely any events, just streams and merch collabs. Even the Dodgers was all EN. I miss my oshis singing. I miss the big concerts and stages. I miss multiple free to watch fes-level concerts a year.
Anonymous No.103094744 >>103114779
>>103089135
>muh corpo cannot be friendly and healthy
Your mind is lost.
Anonymous No.103096767
>>103077322 (OP)
Another year tops
Anonymous No.103096835 >>103098731
>>103077322 (OP)
AI will replace vtubing almost entirely in the next 5-10 years.
Anonymous No.103096854 >>103099696 >>103109845
>>103077322 (OP)
i give the entire vtubing fad 2-3 years more
Anonymous No.103097802
>>103088620
They're not beating Niji
Anonymous No.103098731
>>103096835
cant wait
Anonymous No.103099611 >>103099681
>>103077322 (OP)
Too much faith in Hololive's leadership. They almost destroyed HoloEN's success due to bad direction. Now, those girls who held EN up during those dark times are gone. More missteps will make it harder to recover.
Continually doing pre-orders with high tariffs and shipping should have been changed long ago. What was the use of establishing CoverUSA?
They are throwing their expansion success away, relying on their JP base, just like Anycolor.
Anonymous No.103099656
>>103077322 (OP)
Two more weeks
Anonymous No.103099681 >>103100609
>>103099611
CoverUSA would have to deal with the same tafriff situation. If they build up a warehouse operation they can reduce shipping costs, but only to a point. The product will still come from the same chinese factory.
Anonymous No.103099696
>>103096854
Just pike those darn videogames right? Retard
Anonymous No.103099723 >>103114964
>>103088906
Why would she be complaining about a contract she literally just signed at the time
Anonymous No.103100609 >>103100899 >>103100953 >>103101314
>>103099681
CoverUSA can change the source for Western merch. Reduce shipping and tariffs. Many companies have already done so. But still doing pre-orders overseas after they've been complaining about shipping costs for years.
Anonymous No.103100899 >>103110588
>>103100609
You can't change the source unless you're lying. That's fraud. If a product comes from China, it comes from China.
Anonymous No.103100953
>>103100609
>CoverUSA can change the source for Western merch.
Then it just costs more to produce, eating up any savings.
Anonymous No.103101314 >>103110250
>>103100609
"CoverUSA" is just a fucking warehouse you retard
Anonymous No.103101773 >>103102261
>>103077700
RORU
RUMAO
Anonymous No.103101841
The longer it lives the more it suffers, so just like Niji, I want it to stay around for a long, long time.
Anonymous No.103102261 >>103102590
>>103101773
relay started with 43k then ended with 25k. isnt the purpose to gain views as you go not lose them lol
Anonymous No.103102590
>>103102261
A 6 hour break going from JP primetime to JP early morning will do that to your numbers, yeah.
Anonymous No.103102670
>>103077322 (OP)
They're older than them.
Anonymous No.103103236
>>103088998
You mean Laplus getting leashed and whipped?
Anonymous No.103106714
>>103077322 (OP)
1 more week
Anonymous No.103107039 >>103111856
>>103077322 (OP)
Going public is rarely a good thing these days and the ideas from retarded investors who know nothing of the business they run usually don't kick off until a year or 2 down the line.
Anonymous No.103109845
>>103096854
It's already practically dead since vtubers are basically indistinguishable from fleshies wearing an anime mask now
Anonymous No.103109948
>>103086117
Both refuse to graduate, so they must like the current status quo
Anonymous No.103110250
>>103101314
CoverUSA is useless then, retard
Anonymous No.103110588
>>103100899
>Do more pre-orders from China.
No tariff on Dino Gura re-release.
Cover has done orders from Omocat before.
Seeing the world switch suppliers, but the great Cover is unable to do so.
The shipping costs more than the tariffs, and has been an issue for years.
What a pathetic business that can not adapt to the times.
Cover is following the footsteps of VShojo, when they need to solve the merch issues, because shipping and tariffs are not going away. Fan cope is unreal.
Anonymous No.103111856
>>103107039
They went public three years ago retard.
Anonymous No.103114010
>>103089397
If you purposely ignore Rushia and Chloe, sure
Anonymous No.103114070
>>103088474
People are so stupid to think anything they say should be taken as absolute fact. Have fun with whatever's going on, and if you don't move on
Anonymous No.103114149
>>103089959
FWMC are the ones getting pampered by the corpo the most on the EN side, which is exactly what they wanted form the start and why you see some people around here really spiteful about their channel/them.
Anonymous No.103114779
>>103094744
>corpo cannot be friendly and healthy
Then go tell Yagoo that the next Fest should be free so everyone can have fun.
Anonymous No.103114964
>>103099723
>she literally just signed at the time
It was when their contracts improved with the departure of Vei, Silver, and Nyanner.....a year after he joined
Anonymous No.103116544 >>103119264
>>103089135
NTA but it's not really as much as Cover being your friend but more so them being beholden to the "Talent". It's basically like how Sports teams know they need to keep their stars and main rotation guys placated to keep the money train chugging. But even if their stars "leave", they're way too entenched to simply die. Honestly, unless cover starts doing some absolutely illegal shit (which them being a publicly traded company somewhat counteracts), they're probably not dying as long as the vtubing medium stays alive.
Anonymous No.103119264
>>103116544
Except now we have more downtime than ever on the EN branch and prices continue to increase for both shipping and tariff costs for merch. More downtime means less connection, more cost means less interest in buying merch.
Anonymous No.103119558
>>103090756
It's literally just perms autismo and youtube demonetization, neither necessarily coming from cover