>3D live
>5 fucking songs
Can they get any more blatant about the favoritism? Where was this kind of support for Myth and Promise?

>>103131877 (OP)
>Where was this kind of support for Myth and Promise?
Who?

>>103131877 (OP)
I'll tell you a secret anon. Projects like these are talent driven. Cover doesn't give them out, the actual members have to work on these projects and present them. Now consider that Myth had Gura and Council had Fauna and it should be obvious why they could never get projects off the ground. Advent is unique in EN since it has 5 members who actually want to do these things and organize themselves to make it happen

>>103131877 (OP)
Both Myth and Promise already had a 3D live

this nigger's been seething on /#/ for 4 hours straight

>>103131877 (OP)
Biboo cun is too strong

>>103131928
holyshit THIS. To all Mythfags and Promisefags melting down, this is your answer.

>>103131928
>Projects like these are talent driven.
Myth didn't a full gen 3D anniversary live until like their 5th year despite Japan's boarders being open since late 2022 cause Cover think guaranteeing gen was important until like 2024 lol
Fuck out of here that bullshit

They're squeezing as much out of Advent before Shiori leaves.

>>103131928
and justice didn't get as many projects because they had a granny who coasted with her singing.

>>103132651
they didn't get many because they don't pander to japs which is the only thing that matters

Myth and Council had talents which didn't want to be idols so there wasn't the group drive to want to do something like this (much to the chagrin of Kiara)

>>103131928
honestly it's no secret to me that the very first two gens are basically alpha and beta testing how hololive tried to flesh out the talents into the comfort zone while maintaining profits from projects. So far from myth and promise, only less than 5 out of 11(including sana) that managed to strive on their own talent popularity while others just coast whatever goes through them. By the time Advent came, it was pretty much dead solid fully synchronized gen that making sure no one is getting left behind but always stay together until the end (i hope so). I cant say for sure about Justice because of ERB has gone full disclosure about not pandering to unicorns but whatever is still early to judge despite it's already a year and 3D debuts already there. Anyway 2cents

>>103131928
/thread
the bait thread is finished, great job, anon, on killing OP

>>103131928
>>103132651
Honestly the ones who should be annoyed are justice fans.

Myth trio is evidently too busy with solo and rm projects, while Promise is a cursed gen (lmao how do you name a concert broken promise and expect good things?).
Meanwhile Justice are treated as advent's support cast, which is utterly bizarre when you have ERB who is both 1. the best stage performer in EN and 2. ok with the homos, something Yagoo is obsessed with and GG who is loved and beloved by everyone.

I've already left hololive behind. I'd rather they get nothing than seeing my oshis turned into products that only serve to sell merchandise and inflate Yagoo's balls so he can spend it on a failed virtual project and the homos, also a failure. Enjoy it

>>103132583
Myth had Gura though

Advent has 5 hard workers when it comes to idol stuff, its really not rocket science

>>103132798
>fuck I lost, I need to make a ragebait comment to salvage my bait thread
bye, fucker

>>103132583
>cause Cover think guaranteeing gen was important until like 2024
he doesn't know how bad Japanese bureaucracy is.

>>103132841
and you took the bait, bye o7

>>103132814
i would say they struck gold on this gen for sure, but again shiori's case is a little bit on the fence. I'm still doubtful until she is genuinely GFE pandering kind of hololive's pick

>>103132782
Justice has no JP presence

>>103132881
now say that without sounding like you're not seething and shitting your pants

>>103131877 (OP)
>myth
good point really but covid debuff was there for a while
>council
they're too broken up now. it's like asking why doesn't cover go out of its way to do stuff for JP gen2 when only shuba is a consistent big name from it still.

>>103131928
>I'll tell you a secret anon. Projects like these are talent driven
You honest can't say this say this with a stright face when like basically all of Advent's projects all handled by management
Like none of their full gen music stuff is actually on any of their channels because it's LITERALLY just management approaching them with ideas lol

>>103132935
nta but it could be simply advent has someone in management who is more caring and capable than the others have. more competent = more stuff gets done, simple as.

>>103132882
Shiori releases more covers than some singing focused holos despite not being a singer
You can hate her for homocollabing or other reasons but she still tries to keep up with her genmates when it comes to music
An example of someone who doesn't care about idol stuff was fauna, she only had 2 songs in her channel in 4 years

>>103132951
>>103132935
Advent is the idol group gen of en, like regloss is for jp.

>>103131928
TRVTH NVKE

>>103132935
All full gen songs are in the main channel retard, unless its fully handled by a single talent

>>103132935
NTA but no shit it's a gen song requested by their manager to make sure the gen he is handling is full corporate to what hololive stands for. Unlike previous gens everytime they have been requested to do team-building work, they would stress out and eventually left the team

>>103131928
The golden gen wins again!

>>103132782
Advent is unironically more driven than Justice and more well-rounded as a unit. By the time their 1st anniversary came, Nerissa had a EP and a orisong, and fuwamoco and biboo each had a orisong. Justice has 0 so far. That is on top of advent streaming more in comparison to Justice, and having more covers. It also helps advent was willing to do weekly collabs.

>>103132782
in case it wasn't obvious enough, ERB is the main reason why Justice didn't see much projects. she doesn't want to be an idol.

>>103132935
getting 5 new ori songs on the main channel presumably with animated MVs seems pretty ridiculous even for JP gens

>>103132960
well i'm guessing i would still sitting on fence, i dont wanna swept her previous cases under the rug, still would support but i would never forget what once happened. Again no offense neither argue, your points are correct

>>103132935
And who is to say Myth and Council didn't get the same opportunities from management, but the talents weren't unanimously in step with doing all this like Advent is?

>>103132935
why are you so stupid anon?

>>103133038
DEVIS has been getting entire concerts pretty regularly.

>>103132583
Myth had Gura you fucking retard

Favoritism is getting stuff like more outfits or 3D models
Doing more work is not favoritism, it just means they get together and get shit done

>>103133038
lol no. look at regloss
https://www.youtube.com/@hololiveDEV_IS/videos

>>103133057
based

>>103131877 (OP)
Myth is dead Bro! Advent, or rather Fuwamoco, is the Face of Holo EN now! That's who's raking in the high views and therefor has the most Fan Funneling power to the rest of the EN branch to make the EN branch grow. And the one who should be your face if you're smart enough to realize it.

>>103132951
>it could be simply advent has someone in management who is more caring and capable than the others have. more competent = more stuff gets done
It could be yeah, but to say "it's talent driven" is fucking lie in that case
And if you're going being management into question then you have to acknowledge both Myth and Promise got stuck Omega's dumbass for the majority of their careers
>>103132986
>Unlike previous gens everytime they have been requested to do team-building work, they would stress out and eventually left the team
Bull fucking shit, when the RARE occurrences when management asked the older gens to do stuff it resulted in dog shit suggestion like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1cdQp5uz5s
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcVyYmVOi1U

>>103133018
ERB is the only reason Justice even has a cover song. They only have 2 originals and the New Year's remix on the main channel but they have a full gen cover that was driven completely by ERB

>>103133094
>more outfits or 3D models
Unless it's for the whole gen, the talent commission those themselves I think?

>>103132799
>>103133083
Are you suggesting Gura *DIDN'T* like doing 3D stuff?
If so you're massive retard, she hosted several of her own B-day/Anniversary lives and guest appeared in many others

>>103133018
The only reason ERB does not see herself as an idol is due to the unicorns, something hololive blatantly does not care about.
Also >>103133132 if anything she's the one who gives a fuck about the gen unity.

>>103132935
Even if Cover did "give" Myth and Council a chance to do a concert Gura would ghost them and Fauna would refuse to fly to Japan. Seems stupid to blame Cover when they would probably do anything to have an actual full Holomyth live concert since it would make bucketloads of cash. The problem was always the lazy members.

>>103133057
Them girls doing big numbers on their 3D shows. So they got the ability to draw in viewers so it seems.

>>103133157
you realize where you are right, yes theyre retarded

>>103133140
Outfits come out on the talent birthday with such regularity that it's, to me, evidence of a company policy where each girl gets a new outfit each year.
We'll see the next advent outfits, if they release them together or on their birthday.

>>103133179
Ao status?

>>103133117
If Yagoo walked up to Advent and Council and handed them a blank check to do any project they wanted they still wouldn't do anything. Gura was too busy lying around huffing mold for most of her career

>>103133179
Yeah because they're being pushed and shilled harder than even HoloX was. They're clearly some management bigwig's pet project. They keep getting 3D concerts which takes studio time and studio staff.

>>103133117
Take me home was not a shit suggestion, it's a fantastic song and was very american.
The problem there was 100% the performance of the girls.

I want advent to do a cover of country roads just to see how it goes

>>103133211
get your shitpost right mate, at least switch Advent with Myth

>>103133201
Having backbreaking sex with Marine

>>103133211
This. Out of Myth, you have maybe Kiara and Mori who want to do stuff. Ina doesn't want to sing or dance too much. Ame only wants to do scuffed la creativadad stuff. Gura doesn't want to do shit.

Then you had Council. Kronii puts in the bare minimum. Fauna was a good streamer but was never going to be a good singer or dancer. Sana died before she even got 3D. Mumei was always sick. Bae is a whore.

>>103133111
>fwmc
>views
at least you can brag about the thing theyre actually good at

>>103133215
This is the change in Directions all them girls was talking about. Hololive wants to be a Music Label above all else. So this is why Devis was created, and why other talents can't use the studio any more without paying for it out they own pocket.

the amount of revisionism from adventbabies in this thread is hilarious, thanks for the laughs

>>103133211
Bae won 1 Million Yen like 2 years ago to use for a project. I don't even remember what she did with that money.

>>103133252
and yet them homos still able to book them

>>103133252
they want to be multimedia franchise

>>103132982
>All full gen songs are in the main channel retard
No? Are you a newfag?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VupT9JCJaOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbgWUK_tidI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wO8d70KSXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuGEpICY2o
Generally speaking music projects are only uploaded on the main HoloEN channel if management was involved in the creation process
And as you can see Advent has an OVERWHELMING presence on that channel (cuz they're management's special babies)

>>103133117
>Bull fucking shit, when the RARE occurrences when management asked the older gens to do stuff it resulted in dog shit suggestion like
sure you can either blame the team manager omegay for that or either one of the team members that dont wanna put into efforts on group projects? Which one? The way i see it it's both, both omegay and both gens he handled sucked ass.

>>103133157
>>103133245

>>103133276
>I don't even remember what she did with that money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuGEpICY2o
She used the money to make this full HoloEN cover

ITT adventfags talk about things past 2023 only

>>103133248
They get more views than BiBot does. At least in major events which is were it counts the most.

>>103133245
Ina and Kiara are too busy with RM stuff.
But also, Ina was willing to be the ambassador for ami ami, she was in the world tour as well iirc, so she's active.

>>103133322
>what counts the most
in your retarded brain yeah.
the rest of the year pays for these retarded events not the other way around

>>103133301
>ou can either blame the team manager omegay for that or either one of the team members that dont wanna put into efforts on group projects? Which one?
Both?
They can't "put effort" into projects they're basically never approached for shit

>>103133320
1 Million Yen for a 5 minute song that isn't even animated? Lord have Mercy. Bae could have done so much more with that. 0 creativity.

>>103133300
My boy Mori and Bae put a lot of effort into keeping en together...

>>103133384
mori is the reason it's even the way it is so no

>>103133342
>the rest of the year pays for these retarded events
are you a newfag? the main money makers are merch not ads from views

>>103133322
Well I guess it also helps that Fuwamoco was the 2nd most Super Chatted member in all Hololive last year and will likely be top 5 again this year.

>>103133132
>>103133159
where are the weekly collabs then? ccgg streamed together a lot, raora is also streaming a lot and the only reason why she couldn't collab with justice more is because of her timezone. erb is the only one who doesn't like to play games and just does karaoke rebroadcasts and weird roleplays on twitch.

gen unity wasn't just based on 3D lives, what they do everyday is the foundation of it. even if she was the one who pushed for the songs, erb is the definite weak link of justice.

>>103131877 (OP)
The only people in this pic I have ever heard speaking is fwmc

>>103131877 (OP)
>Can they get any more blatant about the favoritism?
You just noticed that? Cover has been botting the shit out of them since their very debut, to the point that literally 95% of all their viewers now are bots.
I think there are two reasons here:
>Cover saw that EN vtubing scene is slowly dying, so they made an entire gen to make it look like everything is fine
>Cover saw that its EN talents would start dropping out soon and made an entire gen to make it look like everything is fine

>>103133395
No? she tried to keep it together, she always tries to do branch wide events like odyssey.
The problem are some of the girls being lazy and self absorbed.

Advent is the golden gen, they deserve favored treatment.

>>103133405
Fuwawa was. No one cares about Mococo.

>>103133476
brain damaged

>>103133047
>And who is to say Myth and Council didn't get the same opportunities from management
Myth and Council both spent the majority of their careers at a time when management was BOTH; oddly distant from them and had zero clue on what to actually do with them, resulting in them having to basically be self sufficient for most of their existence
That alone makes me sincerely doubt they were getting approached with like a 1/4th of the shit Advent have been the approached with
>Full gen 3D live
>Full gen 5 song EP
>All songs with have animated MVs
>All these songs will accompany with L2D lore videos
Like, the idea of even ONE of these things being given to either Myth/CouncilRyS in 2021 is unfathomable to

>>103133476
in her early years she acted like she was too cool for the company and rocked the boat a lot. she was only coming to terms with her responsibility in the past few years, and by then it was too late.

>>103133504
I care about Mococo...

>>103133407
that's pretty much normal for every gen, keeping up with weekly collabs for so long is a rarity

>>103133519
Fair, IRyS in particular got fucked over. But it's 2025, not 2021.

>>103133405
Don't forget to divide by 2

>>103133567
My rrat is that she came around her responsibility when she met advent in early 2023.
People say it was the umg contract, but that was before the air bnb yab.

>>103133083
Rope fucker. Gura WANTED to do the idol shit like her oshi but circumstances and nipponese bidness autism happened.

And before any of you think I'm BSing, she was the only holo who had two mini-lives because Cover was too retarded to schedule her enough studio time for a full live, couldn't bother getting the perms for the songs she wanted, was butthurt she didn't want to camp the offices waiting for studio time to open up. And that's not even getting into the stuff she never got made because Cover couldn't get off their asses for their biggest EN member, the album she wanted to make, Full Color never getting released. I mean Cover dragged their feet so sloppily on Kiara's spring 3D concert to the point they had to cut Gura, Fauna, and Mumei's performances since the concert couldn't be finished before they all left.

>>103133164
>>Even if Cover did "give" Myth and Council a chance to do a concert Gura would ghost them and Fauna would refuse to fly to Japan
>Gura would ghost them (as if she hasn't been involved in numerous other 3D concerts and 2nd only to Mori in terms of appearances)
>Fauna would refuse to fly to Japan. (As if she didn't do her 3D showcase, appear in every HoloFes while she was in the company, didn't host Holosummer 2023, didn't record parts for CtW and BD, or didn't appear in Promise's final gen live)
You've let endless shitposting skew your memory of what Gura/Fauna were actually like when in Hololive

>>103131877 (OP)
Lots of lazy whores in previous gens that didn't like doing stuff as a gen. Advent joined knowing fully well what hololive is about
>>103131928
This post made a lot of monkeys seethe

>>103131877 (OP)
Its not favoritism, but management during myth/promise ranging from non-existant to incompetent. Personally Im happy that things have changed in EN and the current talents are being taken care of. As for me Im out already and pretty much done with Holo but hopefully those who are left have a good time there.

>>103133567
>in her early years she acted like she was too cool for the company and rocked the boat a lot
Even in her "early years" she literally wrote the entirety of Myth or Treat AND recorded demo reels for the other girls in a single afternoon

>>103133638
>Gura WANTED to do the idol shit like her oshi
Fucking skill issue AND excuses chumshit.

>>103133638
Your oshi is lazy and a quitter. Kiara, Mori, and Bae experienced similar difficulties/setbacks but they have no problems delivering full lives/EPs/albums/covers/orisongs while streaming

>>103133742
THIS.

>>103133717
NTA
>Fucking skill issue AND excuses
The "skill issue" of getting screwed out getting 3D longer than any other gen besides ID1 thanks to Japan's covid travel resections

>>103133638
Good, she doesn't deserve it like Advent does.

>>103131877 (OP)
fuck off

>>103133376
>retard discovers covers are expensive

>>103133822
roru rumao

>>103133638
lazy bitches don't deserve anything.

>>103131877 (OP)
Believe it or not. Myth and Promise have already mentioned that they are the reason that Advent has such good management. Myth and Promise walked so Advent could get favored. Without Myth and Promise pushing for years of advances for the EN branch, Advent wouldn't have shit and would be dead in the water

Just compare this, animated mv cover for their outfits vs shitty remix with one screen. I guess they just didn't try hard enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffTXFgbn7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDhCNXYgdJc

>>103133742
Yeah because they all live in Japan or spend months at a time there. They are all also on the verge of burning out but keep *gluck* *gluck*ing. I'm sure Yagoo loves the blind devotion.

>>103133875
You say favored by advent releases way more stuff than justice
Its less about being favored and more about hard work as a gen

>>103133875
>yeah well these two boring lazy gens with shitty content had to endure bad management so advent should be thankful!

>>103133018
In case it wasn't obvious (you) are a retarded faggot

>>103131928
This is very blatantly wrong
These songs are funded and paid for by Cover, especially the ones on the main channel. The only songs that are self funded are the ones on the girl's own channels
What's with adventfags and lying

>>103133608
why

>>103133742
>all 3 are constantly talking about mental breakdowns
ROFL

>>103133913
>bad management
is doing a planet's weight of carrying here because that truly was the region. Advent were lucky as fuck and would be dead in the water in myth's place with the same management

>>103133888
Justice all suck at singing, literally the worst ever EN gen at singing, why would they invest in music?
Btw the OP is an obvious falseflag because he didn't mention that Justice also doesn't get what Advent gets which leads to a convenient scenario where Adventfags shit on Myth and Promise while ignoring that Justice who is a newer gen than Advent also doesn't get anything
But then you reach the obvious conclusion that Justice doesn't release music because none of them are music-oriented except the one who barely does anything and it makes sense. And Myth and Promise are 3-person gens so obviously management will invest more in complete gens.
Btw Myth and Promise all had gen 3D lives too, it's pretty standard.

The "newer fens are favored" shitpost doesn't work when Justice has half of Advent's output in the same period
Advent is just ball busting at the studio recording stuff all year and they have good group cohesion
For example in justice the other girls don't even hang out with ERB

>>103132651
Justice doesn't get shit because ERB would rather fuck around with the homos than be with her genmates. Anytime the group collabs she sounds bored out of her mind but if you get her near some cocks she perks right the fuck up.

>>103133962
> And Myth and Promise are 3-person gens so obviously management will invest more in complete gens.
lol? they were 5 for 2 years of advent favoritism

>>103133376
You realize that a million yen is only like $7k, right? And could you explain how making a cover with every single member of EN is a waste?

>>103134002
It won't work anon, they refuse to accept that Advent simply has more group cohesion and drive to do projects TOGETHER as a gen than all other EN gens. They will never accept this truth.

>>103134016
Myth and Promise both got multiple gen orisongs, I have no idea what the meltdown here is about.

>>103134002
I mean it's really as simple as just getting all the members to actually show up to do things together but that's apparently an impossible task

>>103133577
Justice full collabs stopped being weekly after the second week and ERB rarely collabs with her genmates

who the fuck actually greenlighted on hiring a fucking old british woman who loves nothing but men's cock?

>>103131877 (OP)
Anon, both Myth and Promise got at least one by now. It seems fair they get one after 2 years. They're getting between 0-1 individual 3D lives this year after all.

>>103134053
Because in a 5 minutes song, each EN member will only have about 1-2 lines of dialog. Like what is the point of that. Nobody gonna be saying "Oh man did you hear Kronii's 10 second verse?"
Had she done a 10 minute 3D skit with all members would have been better.

>>103134163
I thought her main appeal was singing and she is indeed a good singer but she hasn't released a single original song yet after a year and her covers don't even have MVs so I'm confused

>>103131877 (OP)
The White girls in Myth didnt fuck JP businessmen so no funding for them

>>103134209
You have clearly not listened to the actual song. Everyone gets a moment to shine because the song is built that way. It was originally sung by like 30 utaite

>>103134314
I would fund as many songs as they wish for a twin head

>>103134210
Let me correct myself
https://youtu.be/jqFPgcMt_Jo?si=PhMbubEJeOYm4PR-
This one is pretty fire

>>103134010
>>103134121
She collabs with her genmates way more than she does with anyone else, it just doesn't seem like it because she just doesn't collab very much. There's only 4 people she has ever done more than one 1 on 1 collab with, and that's Gigi, Nerissa, Kiara and Ollie. That's including the homos because she's only ever done two 1 on 1s with them, 3 if you want to count the one where Ollie dced.

>>103131928
/thread
Even Shiori got off her ass for this one, Advent is built different

>>103134314
Well duh, wouldn't want to cheat on their husbands now would they?

>>103133179
It was their first solo 3D + had guests like subaru, pekora and azki. Unless they shill them even harder there's no way they keep this while getting less than 6k peak viewership very often.

>>103131928
Unironically this.

>>103133376
>>103134002
>The "newer fens are favored" shitpost doesn't work when Justice has half of Advent's output in the same period
Justice has bunch of musical projects relatively the year or so they've been the around, but they're all self-funded which why they don't appear in the main EN channel tbhdesu

>>103133962
>Justice all sucks at singing
Factually wrong and I'm not talking about ERB.

>>103134494
Never actually clicked in my head that every single member of Justice has a gen collab song on their channel already before reading this comment. Wild.

>>103134494
Well let's compare their respective channels then
Justice by 1st anniversary
GG - 5 covers
CC - 2 covers
RR - 3 covers
ERB - 8 covers
Total: 18 covers

Advent
Nerissa - 9 covers, 4 orisongs
FWMC - 5 covers, 1 orisong
Biboo - 3 covers
Shiori - 2 covers
Total: 19 covers, 5 orisongs
Somehow advent has higher output while still putting out more stuff on the EN channel

>>103134494
they just didn't give Yagoo firm enough handshake

>>103134737
>EN channel
Funded by cover
But for the rest, Advent has been around longer so of course they are going to have more releases, it's shocking as is that justice is matching them with a year setback

>>103134767
Pretty sure he's only listing the first year for advent as well since FWMC has 2 orisongs and Biboo has 1 now

>>103134813
Fair enough
Notice how the difference maker seems to be Nerissa who is more musically dedicated than ERB. The rest of the members are pretty similar in terms of releases

>>103134767
That is advent's output by their 1st anniversary. They put out more than justice by a good 33% while doing way more stuff on the main EN channel

>>103131928
T R V K E

>>103133915
The members need to want to do it anon. Cover gives funding and support if the talents have an idea they want to try, Holo GTA is a good example. But the talents need to actually be on board with the project and that means you need Gura to not ghost, or Fauna to fly to Japan and guess what? Neither would get off their asses. Advent does, so they get the opportunities.

>>103132951
You could have the most caring and capable management with all the good will in the world, if one or several members of the group do not get involved ever (like missing deadlines, not responding to messages, not willing to learn new stuff, never agreeing with anything), then nothing is ever gonna happen and eventually management isn’t gonna go out of its way to pitch something or help with stuff.
I'm not saying this is what happened for sure with the older gens but it is an explanation. It could also be a consequence of earlier events we aren’t privy of, rather than a cause.

>>103134935
You make a good point. I honestly can't really blame Myth and Council as a gen for having Gura and Fauna in that case. There's not much you can do short of blackmail in order to get them to do what you want

>>103131877 (OP)
Myth was filled with lazies and council-promise was a failed gen in general.
Advent has both talent and drive.

>>103133407
>Gen unity wasn't just based on 3D lives, what they do everyday is the foundation of it.
This, if Justice wants to gain more recognition as a gen then ERB needs to step up her fucking game because her music alone won't cut it.

>>103134383
ohhhh shit hahahah

>>103134935
And yet they will still blame Advent all the same while refusing to admit that some Myth and Promise members have major issues that prevents them from becoming as active as Advent in producing stuffs, typical assholes.

>>103133906
I get it. It's though to be in Japan away from your bf or finance.

>>103135143
their limitation is not having a JP bridge, it helps a lot to spread your brand

>>103135246
>finance
w-well, yeah you're right its hard to stay in Japan when you don't have enough money kek

>>103135282
Autocorrect stabbed me in the back

Based and deserved. They'e the golden gen, they love being in hololive, they love doing things, they enjoy being together.

Advent won

>>103131877 (OP)
The talents have to want to put in the work. Myth and Promise are filled with people who quit because they didn't want to do the small amount of work they were offered, now you're mad that Advent is blowing the two gens combined out of the water with what they do (and some of them are hungry to do even more).

Its funny when a retard makes a post like this, when Calli alone made a bunch of bigger projects, and also Bae did a lot of things, and even Ina works on a lot of art projects.

Its hard to do whole gen projects when you have Gura and Ame with a attention span of a autistic kid who watches tiktok all day.

>>103131928
>Advent is unique in EN since it has 5 members who actually want to do these things
shiori and nerissa are on advent

>>103132799
Gura openly hated Hololive. She was just there for ame.

>>103133915
they pay out of pocket. Cover is not a charity

>>103135977
And they're fully on board with Advent's projects.
What even is your point?

>>103136051
My point is that it's wrong, those two would never be proactive about anything like this

>>103136067
Nobody understands why Shiori even applied for the job but Nerissa may not have motivations to pursue her personal career but she loves Advent and will do anything that makes other people happy so she is committed to the gen projects.

>>103136067
Yet they are.

>>103136094
>Nobody understands why Shiori even applied for the job
Are you kidding?

>>103136095
No they aren't, it's organized by management
Advent doesn't have a single "organizer" in the whole group

>>103136112
Ah sorry, I wasn't aware we have an ex-cover employee here.

>>103136094
Shiori still shows up for all the collabs and songs whatever you might think about her

>>103136164
no i just watch hololive, nobody in advent is capable of organizing projects

>>103136187
Since you watch Hololive you would know that FWMC have been pushing for an Advent 3D live for a while.

>>103136187
I don't know of anyone who believes Advent thinks up their projects (it's just antis frame it as a bad thing that their manager gives them suggestions), but they do say yes to them which is what makes them distinct from any other EN gen there ever will be.

>>103136094
>Nobody understands why Shiori even applied for the job
it's for the money and fame

>>103136220
The gen 3D lives are Cover, which is why they occur on Cover's channel. They were the compromise Cover offered when Kiara's menhera meltdown resulted in all the members losing access to one of their 3D lives. They were instead given the option to have a Gen live, that's why all the JP gens suddenly have lives when they never did before.

>>103136187
they talk about having gen meetings so they probably organize it together

>>103136220
FWMC literally only care about themselves

>>103136222
> they do say yes to them which is what makes them distinct from any other EN gen
what the fuck am i reading
why would anyone say "no" to group projects

>>103136067
Nice goalpost moving.
We went from
>Advent actually has members who are up for projects
to
>They're not proactive so it doesn't count
The whole point is that Advent can get everyone on board for projects, be it self organized or management organized.

>>103131877 (OP)
>3D live
You know all generations get their yearly 3D live now if they want to, right?

>>103136302
no their managers organize it for them, nobody in advent has a creative bone in their body except maybe shiori doing her autistic shit on her own

>>103136308
>The whole point is that Advent can get everyone on board for projects
that's everyone in hololive except for gura and ame

>>103136321
THAT'S
THE
WHOLE
FUCKING
POINT
WE
HAVE
BEEN
MAKING
THE
WHOLE
FUCKING
THREAD

>>103131928
This. And reminder that Mythfags used to be proud that Gura was ghosting other members and management. You can work *for* her, but it's kinda hard to work *with* her that way

>>103136332
No they said that Advent was the *only* gen who could get together for a project

>>103136305
>FWMC literally only care about themselves
slit your throat nigger

>>103136321
yeah just ignore all of Gura's projects blocked by management

>>103136355
you have to be really dense to not see how sociopathic they are

Shiori is the tard wrangler of her gen, her purpose is eg to erase all the bau baus fwmc leave in their message to the managers.

>>103136305
>why would anyone say "no" to group projects
Literally everyone else in EN. Jesus Christ, you've clearly never watched any of these people. A gen project means more work and it isn't even directly in your favor, it's to promote others and the company itself.

>>103133215
they had 1,5 entire gen concerts what are you talking about nigga, and one of them was testing UE on them

>>103135977
Nerissa doesn't like streaming, she's all about the music and concerts. It's literally why she's been in Japan 4.5 out of the last 5 months. Only reason why she even left Japan was to briefly go see her family and new place they moved to.

>>103136571
she should move in with Laplus

>>103131877 (OP)
Favoritism? Nerissa and FuwaMoco work hard behind the scene so that Shiori can do the bare minimum. If she had to do more she would have probably been relucant to do as much gen stuff

>>103135977
Nerissa literally sings the vocal direction of the songs for each girl so that they understand how to sing something and helps them in the recording sessions

>>103133407
Anon, if you're trying to argue that the woman who has made it clear since debut that she is almost exclusively focused on singing is holding them back from doing music shit and your argument is "But why she sing so much and no do gaming collabs?? She must do gaming collab, otherwise they all hate each other!!", you might be too retarded to live.

>>103136623
Now take Shiori and make her half of the entire unit. No surprised Myth and Council has so many issues for those interested in bigger projects together. Kiara talked plenty about how some of the EN girls would drag their feet on anything managment related and would generally be responsive and helpful for stuff that was talent run like her advent calendar every year.

>>103136187
Seething Nijitroon or Promisefag? Doesn't really matter. FWMC are the top EN vtubers right now.

>>103133339
>she's active
Yeah, for things that aren't singing and dancing.
Cover also supported Mori's awful music career. The only one out of them who wanted to do Idol stuff was Kiara, but she's busy with her other stuff like you said, and also had no one to work with from her gen.
Council was just awful hires all around, no surprise that they couldn't give a shit.
So yeah, no wonder that Advent is the one doing these sorts of things, and it has nothing to do with Cover favoritism. In fact Cover tried to salvage gen2 with Promise only for it to fall apart right after. They aren't worth the effort.

>>103136827
Excellent hires like shiori and nerissa

>>103136662
And it's still this bad? Surely happening

>>103136881
Nerissa cares about the projects, but doesn't give a shit about her channel itself outside of music. FWMC were half like that until they realized how much it hit their bottom line.

>>103136881
Decent enough to get off their asses and work on projects instead of throwing tantrums, ghosting people and quitting.

>>103136930
Don't need to throw tantrums when you have everything handed to you

>>103136737
Can she not change her fucking mind? it's not even for the viewers, it's for the rest of the justice girls. It's exactly like what >>103131928 said, erb is the weak link of her gen like how gura and fauna and her selfishness is the main reason why justice couldn't reach the heights advent could have.

>>103136955
Was just going to also mention how ERB is the weak link. Everyone else in Justice seems to get along not only with each other but with other gens, but ERB decided to brand herself as the faggot loving solo singer and it didn't align with her genmates. At this point I don't even want her to be forced on to the other members and drag them down. Her getting booted would probably be a boon for the others.

>>103132782
>GG who is loved and beloved by everyone
>this is what grems actually believe

>>103136949
And yet her senpai you simp so hard for threw them anyway.

>>103136955
ERB is the only one who even cares about music but they all mostly just want to do their own thing

Advent won. It's over.

>>103137132
that's not the point. if the entire gen are buddies with each other, they will naturally desire to involve themselves in multiple projects on their own will. autofister had two covers together and they would've done it with or without erb's help.

>>103137092
At least come up with a counter argument, faggot

>>103131928
holy spbp

>>103135950
exactly, well said

>>103137132
Gigi has released the same amount of music as ERB has

>>103136349
Technically its still true, and it shows by how much Advent has done together as a gen compared to Myth and Promise.

>>103137132
>ERB is the only one who even cares about music
ERB (14 works)
>debut cover - 1,7m
>AB - 5,4m (+424k eastern version)
>SA - 853k
>BB cover - 264k
>3 Christmas covers - 129k (for all 3 covers together)
>SH cover - 331k
>Homocover -1,2m
>Nerissa cover - 723k (botted)
>Odyssey - 2,2m
>love song cover - 660k
>Renegade -730k

Gigi (14 works)
>debut cover -1,3m
>AB - 5,4m (+424k eastern version)
>monster - 602k
>birthday cover - 896k
>Roara cover - 519k
>2 Autofister covers - 799k + 649k
>SH cover - 331k
>odyssey - 2,2m
>kyukurarin cover - 544k
>Hai Yorokonde cover - 1,5m
>Renegade - 730k
>Monitoring - 150k

ERB total: 14.350k
Gigi total: 16.044k

I don't why the monkeys itt are so adamant to blame Advent for *ahem*, doing a lot of projects and other stuff together as a cohesive gen, compared to Myth, Justice and Council/Promise. Are you saying that they SHOULDN'T and be exactly the same as the other gens?

>>103137708
It's just Mythfags and Promisefags upset their gens are getting exposed because now we know they could've done all the things Advent are doing they just didn't because they were coasting. Having a few bad eggs like Sana, Fauna and Gura is absolutely crippling for a gen

I wonder why Ame had to be the one to host a lotta 3D streams and had to rely on sciffed VRchat shit

Hard to believe it's actually Promythians and not falseflaggers being so fucking bitter, I saw you on Towa too so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and asking you to direct your complaints and worries to Cover and/or your girls if you're for real.

>>103136827
>In fact Cover tried to salvage gen2 with Promise only for it to fall apart right after

Unfortunately this is true. Promise was obviously a major attempt to help Council/Rys to get back into peak form and try to solve some of their issues, but in the end it didn't work and the gen got gutted in half. I don't wanna say that gen is cursed, but.. Yeah.

Retarded bait.
Myth had no idea how much this gig would blow up. Promise had unfortunate hires since Fauna hated traveling to japan and Sana was Sana. IRyS got screwed over. Most have their solo projects but lower group synergy. Advent came in understanding the huge popularity of hololive and the potential workload better than previous gens and a desire as a team to push for projects.

>>103137688
Why are you using YT numbers for ERB's spotify covers? It doesn't change the end result but that's just being disingenuous since they were promoted for spotify not YT.

>>103137132
ERBs cares about karaokes more than music in general. Which to be fair it's a markest she cornered, no one thought about karaoke spamming like she did.

Even if you had everything handed to you on a silver platter, if you didn’t even bother showing up, you're just gonna end up with nothing in the end.
You still need to put in the bare minimum of effort.
This is what some may have failed to do.

>>103133508
>>103133567
"early Mori" despite not vibing with the entire vtuber/idol thing
>made time for full gen collabs despite working full-time and having to be up at ass o clock for it since Gurame and Ina streamed in earlyish PST hours
>wrote a full-gen song in a single night when Gura wanted to squeeze it in for their Halloween collab
>wrote both solo and collab songs celebrating Myth as a gen
>took on a load of work to run a TTRPG campaign for Myth to have something to do together
>typically was the first one to sing and shill everyone's new originals in karaoke
>dogged management together with Ina to get IRyS out of the gay collab jail early cause she was completely alone
>wrote the EN lyrics for Mumei's song and recorded a vocal demo that Cover did not provide her
>formed the first recurring cross-gen unit in EN (CHaDcast)

despite stretching herself thin with rm projects and rushing out personal stuff fearing UM gonna muzzle her, she still put a shitload of active effort into making EN feel like a cohesive group, both from inside and outside

>>103133617
>My rrat is that she came around her responsibility when she met advent in early 2023.
Not really a rrat I think Mori herself has said she's chilled out and realized her responsibility to be a good senpai. The fact that she realized Biboo and FWMC admired her for being a vtuber has made her come around to accepting Hololive culture and stop chasing being some e-celeb lite

>HoloX after 2 year
3D swimsuit (2) , 3D kimono, 3D idol outfit (2)
>Advent after 2 year
3D idol outfit (1)

>no swimsuit or yukata 3D after 2 years
nice favoritism

>>103133647
Wasn’t fauna the only EN not in Japan for holofes? I remember her cutout had a sticker on it instead of actual writing.

>>103137978
>and a desire as a team to push for projects.
nobody in advent desires this except fuwamoco

>>103131877 (OP)
4/5 of advent live in japan so it makes it really easy to get things done, whereas the majority of promise and myth preferred to be overseas so it was harder to get things done. it's not really favoritism, i think it's just the fact that they can just work with advent as if they are holoJP due to how convenient it is.

>>103137667
Myth and Promise both graduated before management got their shit together and nobody likes Justice
There's nothing special about Advent the members that make them have lots of projects, it's just the only real gen HoloEN has anymore

>>103136555
>Literally everyone else in EN
No just Gura and Ame

>>103135977
And they’re both team players.

>>103138917
shiori hates doing group stuff and nerissa is lazy as shit

>>103133016
The fact that ERB has gone a full year without putting out an original song is wild.

>>103138898
>nobody likes Justice
go fuck yourself

>>103133140
Talents are not allowed to commission outfits.

>>103138988
sorry but it's true, they have no breakout popular members, there's only 4 of them and one practically doesnt exist (ERB)

>>103138977
She has half of one out, don't know what cover's doing since it seems to be something she put together using her own connections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9rY7slCeOw

>>103139007
Gigi is one of the biggest ENs

>>103138929
And yet they both continue to turn up when needed because they can set aside that for the sake of the group.

>>103136358
>I want to do a project that's all about Me and only Me
>Can you get the rest of myth involved.
>No.
>Then sorry


>We want to do a big project with our entire group because we are a group of idols!
>Sure thing, all five of you, that'll be big.

>>103139093
moving the goalposts

>>103138929
>shiori hates doing group stuff
why does she do it then

>>103139089
All of the ENs are "one of the biggest ENs" now because the Hololive audience now watches Hololive just because it's Hololive and not because they like any particular member
Even shitters like Mori and Kiara get high views these days

>>103138929
Evidently wrong on both accounts

>>103139108
No? That’s what “being a team player” is all about. Even if they aren’t the most driven they’re still willing to put in the work.

>>103138861
The dogs probably have a ton of blackmail material on Biboo, Nerissa, and Shiori, so they can force them to cooperate with them.

Shiori won
Biboo won
Rissa won
FWMC won
Antis seethe

>>103139121
>Hololive audience now watches Hololive
damn

>>103131928
TRVTH

>>103139149
Before the great graduation marathon there were observable differences in the CCV of Hololive members based on how good of a streamer they were
Now it's all kind of the same

>>103139149
They’re just mad that it’s not “hololive audience only watches Gura” anymore

>>103139132
All Hololive members except a couple were willing to put in the work

>>103139187
you only need one member to kill a gen

>>103139217
That was only a problem with Myth

>>103139145
Advent Together STRONG.

>>103137945
Council was cursed from day 1. They literally had their debut day ruined because of "tech issues". Then Omegae stole their thunder in their own group debut. Sana Graduated. The Dark Christmas where fucking everyone was sick or on vacation.

>>103139175
And why is that a bad thing? Hololive is built on the foundations of bigger holos collabing and helping smaller members grow ever since gen 1.

The selfish ENs that quit used the hololive brand that was built by the hard work of their JP senpais to gather all the fans they could get before fucking off.

>>103131877 (OP)
It's very easy to get Cover's favoritism.
Just don't graduate

>>103131928
Also even Calli said something like this in a live, where she admire Advent being so united and do those stuffs.
It's not like Hololive shills them indeed, but more like them putting ideas, being able to collab and pushing themselves into stuffs as a team.

>>103139459
>And why is that a bad thing?
It just shows that people have no taste, all they like is a brand

>>103139459
>hard work of jp senpai
Lol they'd still be stuck at 800k without gura

>>103138216
>Mumei's song
specifically because Mumei asked Mori to do it cause Mumei didn't know that writing lyrics is hard

>>103137688
>Nerissa cover - 723k (botted)
Huh?

>>103139818
Nigga what all mori did was translate a jp verse

>>103139811
I don't know if I'd go that far, but EN/Gura really did propel a lot of them forward gaining a much larger worldwide audience. The non-JP viewers were still there and watching before EN, but there was a massive influx of worldwide viewership with Myth.

>>103139834
>translate a jp verse
mumei cant be that stupid

>>103139459
>Hololive is built on the foundations of bigger holos collabing and helping smaller members grow ever since gen 1.
Except that never worked with EN or ID.

>>103133157
Gura didn't like doing what Cover wanted her to do, and she ghosted them all the time.

>>103139120
It helps to pay the bills

>>103133647
What the actual fuck are you talking about, the Holos who didn't show up to Fes or other events is not obscure knowledge. Fauna didn't even show up for New York, let alone Japan. Fauna had an infamously terrible arc in Japan and then never went back despite staying with the company quite a while longer.

>>103136309
do all gens get a music project with 5 original songs?

>>103131877 (OP)
Golden gen, simple as

>>103138879
Shiori lives in Japan?

>>103139834
she didn't, it was written from scratch since Mumei wanted to have at least some EN lyrics

>>103139230
Fauna, one time, flew to Japan to participate in holo event with Holosummer. After that she did fuck all, not even participating in voice packs even. She was clearly the weakest link in Promise when it came to gen unity (just look at how her gen reacted to her graduation compared to how they reacted to Mumei's)

>>103131877 (OP)
well that explains why nerissa was trapped in the hyperbolic time chamber doing projects

>>103140728
3/5 live in Japan. That anon probably mistook Nerissa having long and common trips to Japan to her living there.

>>103131928
>Cover doesn't give them out, the actual members have to work on these projects and present them. Now consider that Myth had Gura and Council had Fauna and it should be obvious why they could never get projects off the ground.
Ina hates that she has the skimpiest default outfit in Hololive but was still joining 3D lives with Myth. Kronii hates the absurd boob jiggling stripper outfit but was still joining the Promise collabs. Cover does require talents to use their default outfits for anniversary lives which is a much bigger issue for the earlier EN gens. Song releases though were never an issue with any EN gen and Advent getting lore videos and 5 songs for their anniversary shows that Cover is focusing on them. The older gens are getting pushed back in favor of Advent.

>>103140821
how the fuck does someone make that mistake when Nerissa regularly has members of her family appear on her channel?

>>103139708
There is nothing inherently wrong with liking a brand and you are not superior for being a contrarian.
>>103139811
She's in the right place at the right time. Back then the standards are so low you'd be a star if you speak english. I saw some of her streams and she doesn't impress me. Definitely overrated.

>>103140874
>song releases though were never an issue with any EN gen
Do I need to remind you how much Myth fucking hated working with their management on Country Roads? It's no wonder there wasn't a single other gen cover for Myth.

>>103140874
If all Cover wants is to push the newest gen, Advent would be pushed back in favor of Justice.

>>103132651
They don't even have that many singers compared to Advent.

>>103140956
And yet, after management improves today and only 3 myths are left, they still can't produce a single full gen cover. Shows that the talents are the problem.

>>103140875
Not a hard mistake to make for someone who doesn't really watch her and only see her in collabs for example.

>>103140367
Well if she does it in the end does it matter if she likes it or not?

>>103140874
You really hate Advent that much just because they don't have a Korean, huh.

>>103140649
they could if they wanted to

>>103131928
based

>>103131928
SPBP
This, even Shiori who would rather chill and just stream does all this idol shit because she loves her genmates and wants to do stuff with them, the people you mentioned would never.

>>103133674
Bro what is going on with Gura's legs lmfao

>>103131928
>>103131877 (OP)
Does it mean we're getting a long awaited Shiori X Fuwamoco collab?
I mean, Shiori has collabed 1x1 with virtually everyone, including every homo, but not with Fuwamoco...

>>103131928
I pray Fuwamoco have a Rushia moment

>>103133215
They don't even had new year's outfits or alternative ones. They work different like previous JP gens, having a official channel where they put almost all their songs instead of their individual channels must give you a hint. Advent is something doing similar, because the official channel is the place to post their group songs instead of the channel of one of the members.

>>103132935
>wanna record a song together?
>myth: ...
>promise: no thanks
>advent: yes
>AAAHHH MANAGEMENT FAVORITISM! STOP IT!

>>103133430
/#/-monkeys, please come and pick up your schizo.

>>103131877 (OP)
Why are you blaming them and not that faggot Omega who everyone in EN hates for trying its best to kill the branch?

>>103131928
Advents the only gen with any sort of gen unity and they constantly do group projects as a result.

Myth was shattered, there was nothing special here.
Promise was broken, with cucking.
Advent rises above all, from their humble beginning
Justice is corrupted with one of them going menhara

>>103131877 (OP)
now that i think about it it's funny how hololive also has gen favoritism accusations, /MANS/ complains about armis getting too much stuff for free
i mean i guess it came first

>300 replies of holo vs holo faggotry

>>103140956
The early management for HoloEN was horrible and constantly made choices for Myth and Council that they hated. That is why they preferred letting Ame handle their group collabs because they had zero faith in Cover.

>>103141054
>You really hate Advent that much just because they don't have a Korean
Hololive has that Japanese group punishment mentality and they are now heavily favoring Advent. They are not only getting over a dozen group songs on the main Hololive EN account in less than a year but their lore is being heavily expanded. Cover doesn't mind having Myth and Promise constantly shill merch but it's getting noticeable their gens are now receiving the bare minimum.

>>103142750
their gens have 3 people left how much support can they expect

>Nobody called out the obvious post by outfitschizo
This board is truly lost

>>103142845
Cover giving less support to Myth and Promise because of the graduations that management caused is not making Hololive look good. Cover isn't stealing money from a charity but they are punishing gens that already have low morale and that could trigger more graduations in 2026. Actually is worrying that Cover skipped Promise for the official MMD models and the nendos have completely vanished.

>>103144209
Honestly, its deserved. Promise and Myth folding into JP would honestly be a win- win for all three. groups.