Can we get a better goth girl in the next generation of EN, or at least alt adjacent?

her model and voice are sex. i just wish she wouldn't do some things

pls one that is not a whore

>>103254128
I like her model, but her voice and personality suck

I miss emo Moomers

>>103254096 (OP)
She is all over the place, and she basically has become a lewd shitposter instead of sticking with the goth aesthetic

It's kind of funny, we've had a goth aesthetic every gen
>Gen 1
Mori had the aesthetic
>Gen 2
Fauna/Mumei had the personality
>Gen 3
Shiori has the aesthetic
>Gen 4
Cecilia has the personality. She could very easily turn into a goth doll
So it seems like we're due for another goth model but they're probably going to give it to a bimbo

>>103254096 (OP)
rrrats, it is in the works

>>103254398
Advent technically has 2 because Nerissa is goth adjacent. Every Gen should have at least 2 because it is cool

>>103254432
Nerissa is like dark academia goth

>>103254398
I think Justice was missing the dark, cool factor in their gen, even in Myth, a lot of them have mysterious/dark backstories and stuff.

>>103254096 (OP)
pls replace shiori with someone better

>>103254521
Yeah Myth made you want to explore this weird Hololive company and see what was going on. ERB is supposed to be their leader and she's just...missing. Raora seems nice but I never see her (timezones) so for me Justice is just Gigi and Cecilia and while they're a lot of fun they're only two people.
The only way those two could whimsy it up is to put little Gigi and Cecilia cards around the Cover Corp website where they're doing random chores or beating bad guys but I doubt Cover wants to do something like that. The whimsy needs to escape

>>103254632
It is interesting if at least one character is mysterious, and has a darkness about them. I liked Mumei's lore a lot, she was basically crazy because she embodied all of civilization and a watcher, that kind of thing is cool

>>103254096 (OP)
sucks Jurard? yes

>>103254668
And I like that Nerissa makes people go insane with her voice, she is like a Touhou Project character

>>103254687
Sucks Jurard's fat Dino cock

>>103254096 (OP)
Slutori Whorevella

>>103254158
This. Shiori gets my personal "#1 carried by the model" award.

>>103254754
Also "#1 carried by her generation and Hololive"

>>103254096 (OP)
Was Natsumi Moe as obnoxious and unlikable as Shiori Novella?

>>103255151
yes

Right, got an amazing model, I'd even say her voice matches well too, but my god she simply can't vibe well with any of the other girls.

She say and acts like a freak but has no follow up if anyone actually tries to uncomfortably play along. Though I do think she is a good girl and cares about her co-workers and fans and will be there and do what she can but man it hard to look past the awkwardness.

Probably best to pair her with Ollie, Gigi since they can handle the off-colour jokes better, but keep her away from Cecilia, or Bae, they were totally uncomfortable trying to change the topics

>>103255151
Shiori Novella is Natsumi Moe

Words literally cannot describe how hard Shiori's model carries her. HOLY FUCK.

Any new Phase yab?

>>103254096 (OP)
cute sioli fangs

>>103254096 (OP)
>Shiori sucks
Yeah me.

>>103255429
Just the typical Shiori bashing since it's easy

>>103254096 (OP)
emo>>>>>>>>>goth

>>103255447
Shiori threads are unironic (You) and screenshot farms for failed "le ebin /vt/ screenshots" pages and discord circle jerks
Every single bait her about her since her debut is literally the same 5 posts worded slightly different until the thread either hits bump limit or gets drowned in the catalog by some new indie drama.
This also applies to Biboo vs Gura threads, Saba threads and Nimi threads.
They're all SEA retards with a twitter screenshot page hoping to get someone to post something they can frame as a fan sperging out to go "why are (Fanbase Name) like this?" and maybe bait some vtweeters into replying and looking more stupid.
Replying in any way that isn't calling OP a faggot is unironically supporting low effort content farms.

>>103255392
I can't get past the voice, I can't listen to a minute of it without it giving me head pains

>>103255447
Shiori is very unlikable, the bare minimum that a Vtuber needs to be is likable.

>>103255588
This post is being farmed for content on Twitter? Which account?

>>103255588
never seen saba and nimi haters dislike someone as much as shiori is disliked

>>103255151
Just look at her twitch archive, it's full of homos collab

>>103255588
>literally the same 5 posts worded slightly different
>>103255594
>>103255617
>>103255650
2 more and (You) finish proving the point kek

>>103255588
Remind me of the time when I saw Shiori and Advent cuckposts on the boomer site, checked the poster's profile and he was a brown flip. I still remember the posts he replied to so I can share his face here for le funni.

>>103255691
shiori is gross and unlikable, i wish that being subscribed to hololive mems wouldn't come with the baggage of getting her suggested constantly

>>103255691
stop quoting me, cuckfag!

>>103255588
>you HAVE TO like Shiori because people I don't like screenshot posts about Shiori being disliked
Bizarre logic.

>>103255732
You're doing great! Just one more and you'll have gone full circle for the 3rd time this thread!

>>103255700
share his Twitter acct

>>103255757
>not allowed to voice discontent about a vtuber, apparently
who do you think you are bro? go white knight somewhere else? kekkaroos

they have to employ the s-team to save face for whorevella lol, how pathetic

>>103255617
unlikable when interacting with other people, yes, sucks the momentum out of the conversation with left field takes and derailing everything, no malice, just super bad social skills.
She is alright if she just plays alone and has her one sided conversation with chat, those are alright. But that is a bit sad, I do honestly hope she can grow a bit more, her heart is in the right place.

I want a goth/goth adjacent vtuber in Cover that is a yandere GFE waifu and not a dude-bro cuck fetishist

>>103255691
>everyone who disagrees with me is one samefag

>>103255879
ye, shiori is the worst brand of corpo "menhera" that I have seen, ig the reference to the metamorphosis hentai in her debut picture should have been indicative of her being a slut

>>103256028

>>103255588
Anon please stop noticing things, these threads are totally just angry unicorns and nothing else okay? There's totally nothing else that's been going on since the day she debuted.

>>103255761
Not Twitter, it was Facebook. He's probably /here/ and posting in this thread rn. 4chin won't let me post the link.

>>103256196
>this is the guy that has been spamming AI slop
kek

>>103254096 (OP)
I used to hate Shiori, but now I think she’s okay. I know she and the homos are nothing more than buddies, and I understand clearly why she chose to part ways with the GFE. She’s been trying to be more honest with her audience, some (many) can’t take it, and that’s okay too, but I don’t see a point in lashing out at her anymore.

>>103254096 (OP)
i like shiori like i like watching animals at the zoo. i think at some measurable level she is genuinely retarded. like her brain just stopped developing when she was 11 and she escaped into a chris chan type fantasy land in her head to cope with being a retard in a shitty life. it's fascinating.

>>103256131
>do not like a single vtuber from hololive = you are an anti
>shut up and consume media, like all girls, be happy, they are cute anime girls (insert BBC joke)
>ash again is not a vengeful song against hololive, be happy, go back to sleep
>graduations with complaints against management are their faults, not the company's
>if you think shiori is horrible, you must hate all of hololive and advent
typical gaslighting on here

>>103256329
I don't want a Chris Chan idol...

>>103256355
yep, you totally got it

>>103256292
>"honest"
lies all of the time

SEA man doesn't like Shiori so you HAVE TO LIKE HER NOW.

>>103256355
on point

>>103256423
Okay...

>>103254521
If we're just going strictly off the lore and putting aside how these girls actually act, I think it's fine for Justice to be more lighthearted whereas all the gens before have been more morally ambiguous.

The vibe they seem to be going for is more heroic, though with the layer of silliness in that they suck at being heroes - ERB is too easily manipulated and the others are just too lazy and/or easily distracted. I think this works as an intentional opposition to Advent, who are increasingly being framed as villains.

The latest Justice song they put out (which I didn't actually like very much honestly) has a somewhat darker tone though, possibly implying they're going down a corruption arc where Justice becomes more brutal and unforgiving in their pursuit of Advent, and that's where the edginess would come in.

>>103256404
fucking kek

>>103255588
kek this post post struck a nerve it seems like

>>103256423
Shiori herself is SEA and they still don't like her

>>103256543
Truly the low of the low

>>103256355
best post i have seen in weeks, holy based

>>103256522
Someone even provided proof so they're samefagging again

>>103254158
>>103254754
>>103254798
this

>>103256196
What is his username?

>>103256355
shiori is a gross whore and no love for hololive can change that

>>103256646
Wil Fredo

>>103256404
She can’t outright say the truth, she’s being subtle. “I can’t be your gf, I don’t want you to think I can, hope homocollabing will make you understand”

>>103255151
There was a reason why she became a low 2 view and something like only 180 viewers attended her "retirement" before she joined Holo.

>>103257016
yep, people can sense when people are bad or disingenuous

>>103254096 (OP)
Oh boi! Another Shiori hate thread!

>>103256196
>flip
every single time

>>103257058
yep, she sucks!

>>103255838
She has been doing content for nearly 9 years, she has been in Holo for a little over 2. I dont think she is going to change at this point.

>>103254096 (OP)
Pink would have been a better color for her, or maybe baby blue.

>>103256796
Throwing a brick at your audience is hardly subtle. The reason she handled it like that is because she actively avoids confrontation. She just doesnt know how to deal with people that disagree with her, she just fumes and stays quite about it until eventually it build up to a point where she has to find an outlet. She just wants to be a child and let other adults handle her issues while she hides away.

>>103254521
they are missing blue member.

>>103257605
Kronii is part of them

>>103257546
people like consistency and the personality marketed in her debut is much different from what she promised to be

>>103257659
That was more of a fault on her part. She tried to play into a character rather than just be more natural and she just couldnt keep it up. I dont see her as having enough forethought to do a bait and switch. Most complaints I have seen from people early on was that they didnt like her voice, her mannerisms with her crude jokes, or the way she made some collabs feel awkward. She definitely has an audience that find her appealing so she is doing something right.

>>103254128
I don't know why people are saying her model is sexy, it looks goofy as hell with that weird half-color hair.

>>103257884
>She definitely has an audience that find her appealing
I suppose she does. But I'll remind you that even before the drama her generals were filled with hatewatchers. Which is a questionable audience.

>>103257926
You are gay and everyone knows it

>>103257884
How much of the audience would be there without the Advent label, though?

>>103257926
Her model looks bad in 3D, very snake-y. Honestly, they should have marketed her as a snake girl or something since she ate the "fruit of knowledge" in her lore. Her character makes no sense to me, she lives in a castle? She eats memories and archives history?

>>103258296
Her personality and character seem half-baked, you should be able to describe a well-concieved Vtuber in one sentence buy you can't with her because there is so much needless window dressing

Shiori sit on my face

>>103258400
It would crush your skull

>>103258381
*but, sorry someone is blowing up my phone and I got distracted

>>103258409
ok and ?

>>103258478
Just wanted to let you know beforehand

>>103258400
Is sexual appeal her only appeal?

>>103258519
Thanks anon :)

>>103258895
no_

>>103258974
What is it? Yapping about random things?

>>103255151
arguably worse

>>103258230
According to an early reply, if it wasnt for Hololive she wouldnt have an audience at all.

>>103254473
lol
Lmao

>>103258065
Hear yes, but out side of here she has a dedicated following. She has a sizeable female audience too with plenty of people cosplaying her. Her waiting room chat is the most active out of all the other Holomembers.

>>103258400
Let shass smother you as she sharts in your mouth

>>103259651
Do those female fans actually like her, or just her design and aesthetic?

>>103259512
ahh the good old ntr shit

>>103259743
They actually livepost on twitter so I'd say they actually like her.

>>103259512
Some things never change.

>>103259881
Example?

>>103254096 (OP)
is there anyone else who comes close to being carried by her model? it feels like 99% of people who know shiori only know her for her model and nothing else

>>103259877
it wasnt good

>>103261287
She barely had anyone cheer for her during FES, most people dont even know who she is

>>103261755
This makes sense because Shiori is the one with the fetish. Imagine if the homos are just victims as well as she switches between them and tells each one that he is her "only one".

>>103262721
Disgusting

>>103259904
>hours later guy is not able to provide evidence of girls liveposting and cosplaying as shiori

>>103261287
shiori will not be remembered fondly when she eventually graduates

>>103254128
>voice are sex
Her voice is the worst thing about her though? I guess there really is a lid for every kettle

Everything about her is the worst. Probably the most hated chuba

https://files.catbox.moe/ikfuvy.mp4

>>103254521
FOR JUSTICE! *Kicks your balls*

>>103254521
>>103257605
They need a blue bird woman.

>>103254096 (OP)
There’s nothing goth about her and her voice sucks . Yume fat chink got blessed with one of the best models

>>103259512
>it's a cuck or get cucked world out there
Words of wisdom.

Also, if you watched that Genshin video, it was clearly tongue in cheek.

>>103270204
https://web.archive.org/web/20230331013039/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMDJpeRfX8k
everyone brings it up but never posts it

>>103270338
Her humor sucks

>>103269114
There really is nothing goth about her

>>103270204
See, you and I know it's tongue and cheek, but why delete it then? Considering it is a joke video, there should be no reason for her to erase it in the first place. If anything, it just makes it look worse since it looks as if she's actually hiding NTR.

>>103254096 (OP)
she's a fucking normie. No matter how hard she tries to hide it it's fucking obvious.

>>103271595
Always has
>>103274910
For some reason it was still up for a while after she joined Holo. Something prompted her to hide it.

>>103275636
all of them are

>>103254128
>voice
yeah no thanks squeaky door hinge ass