WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? Edition

Welcome to /xvsj+/! A thread to discuss vtubers who were once associated with a hot pink company.

Michi is LIVE! And is playing Peak with Shoto and U-san. I swear I saw this exact same collab and game a couple days ago. Weird. Other than that Peke is also LIVE! And is playing block game. That being Minecraft and not using Twitter in current year. Finally Hotaru is LIVE! And is in the One Piece TCG category but has been live for 6 hours and is just yapping. My guess is she's ending soon but if she's not she could still be around! That's all that's happening at the moment so pick a stream and keep things comfy and civil by ignoring and especially reporting bait, and being excellent to each other.

Image source: https://x.com/L_Midnight94/status/1953327826381279669

/xvsj+/ includes:
Amalee - https://www.twitch.tv/leeandlie
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Geega - https://www.twitch.tv/geega
Haruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu
Henya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius
Hestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru
Kson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou
Kuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Mata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Michi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Nagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied
Nazuna - https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Peke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/vei
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya

Related /in/dies:
Beri - https://www.twitch.tv/beribug
Tori - https://www.twitch.tv/torioriane
Mint - https://www.youtube.com/@mintfantome
Feebee - https://www.twitch.tv/feebee
Pia - https://www.twitch.tv/piapiufo
Momo - https://www.twitch.tv/momo

Related:
/999/ + /総長/ + /nova/ + /voms/ for Japanese talents once associated with a hot pink company
/lig/ and /big/ for more generalized + and friends discussion

Previous thread: >>103253415

I love lewd waldo Mouse

Good afternoon everyone. Zen did nothing wrong.

post evil women

Good afternoon everyone. Zen did everything wrong.

Im team bitches pls stop acting like its high school and talk it out like adults.

Ama live to hang out with Jowol

Good afternoon everyone, Zen did some things wrong.

>>103259018

>>103259018
I got u

Silver's song is out!

>>103259059
HER SILENCE ON ZEN SITUATION IS DEAFENING

Nothing Zen good wrong everyone did afternoon.

>>103259018

>>103259045
No one, in the history of this world, has ever "talked it out like adults". That's just horseshit people say from the sidelines to feel superior.

Imagine the Vshojolympics with 10-12 2views who all wanted to be /in/ forced to duke it out for fan votes, how toxic would it have been

>>103259100
Anon is having a stroke

>>103259095
She has no idea who Ari even is

>>103259018
I just really love visible abs and thicc thighs

Afternoon wrong Zen good did nothing everyone

I like peak :(

>>103259092
Okay I will give her song a 7/10 its good but she gotta work on her vocals. Still a nice bob

>>103259154
I prefer Peke

>>103259182
but peke is peak

>>103259154
Me too, Friendslop wise its probably the best to watch since early LC

>>103259170
show bobs

>>103259170
>nice bob
But is it a nice Tob?

>>103259092
>>103259170
nobody cares stop samefagging

Shoto or Mono for dating?

Zen is a faggot

>>103259147
Its a shame she pussied out of being a lewdtuber almost immediately

>>103259154
Tune in to Alfie's stream then, absolutely kino Swedish trio is climbing

>>103258954
I don't get it the game is kinda fun but the vtubing community has the most uninteresting streams whilst playing it and also they spam it so much with LC and repo I get it mousey had the perfect amount of yapping and good interactions but peak is just boring, Michi should just call the subathon the peakathon at this point

>>103259236
Shoto and Mono dating each other

U-san likes Shoto
Shoto likes Michi
Michi likes no one

>>103259147
I fapped to Ari like 3 times in a row last night. She's so fucking amazing.

>>103259304
Why would anyone do that? There are streamers out there who originally "wanted" (aka had no other talents than being a woman) to become cam whores but went for streaming instead because you can farm simp bux easier and without showing your genitals and disappointing your parents

>>103259402
I dunno, ask her. She posted like 1 lewd photo and then never did anything else because she didn't like people treating her like a lewdtuber

No Zen tonight for the Ghosthunt

>>103259426
Does Zen or Ari get Papa and Froggy in the divorce?

>>103259426
Is the last monstergirl among them?

>>103259469
Yes im not saying who

>>103259426
Ari won

>>103259465
Froggy was in Mouse's intro together with Ari and also in her new background

waiting patiently

>>103259469
If you believe the Vex rrat: Yes
If you don't: Probably not. Tricky and Spite would have said if it was them, and Froggy wouldn't but her only remark on VShojo's death was about the 2021 auditions not 2024. And Mari is Papamutt's wife and I don't know if she even streams.

>>103259492
Justice

>>103259426
Fuck Zen. She was definitely doing that controlling shit with Henya as well. Ari is doing the lords work for speaking up where others won't.

>>103259426
I think Papamutt’s a good dude, but he annoys the hell out of me on stream. For those who’ve watched his solo content is he better there?

>Ama tummy hort
she is pregnant

>>103259540
He actually dials it back in collabs

>>103259560
Yeah, with me

>>103259540
What that other anon said. I actually like his solo stuff but he is calmer in collabs than he is solo lmao. He does seem genuinely nice though and I liked when he basically scolded Michi for not eating right on stream that one time

>>103259560
Sorry guys, I couldn't pull out.

what if matara and juniper bought a dominos

>>103259560
Tummy hurt -> period pain -> opposite of pregnant

>>103259617
>Period pain
Fake hag

https://vocaroo.com/1cl9JEqoSsCr

Why did Matara retweet this?

what if last monstergirl was papamutt

>>103259492
>won
kek good one

https://x.com/henyathegenius/status/1946567719022911810

>>103259530
uh oh arifag melty

>>103259829
Real and true

>>103259829
yeah with me

>>103259829
yeah its mines

>>103259716
She misses her oshi too

>>103259716
Cuz basedjack Leon found a cool car?

>>103259829
>not pumpkin spice latte bussin
holy shit its real

>>103259530
never liked zen seemed like a huge bitch

Anyone not siding with Zen is dead to me.

>>103259232
you cared enough to reply ;)

>>103259530
>>103259933
you can stop samefaging now

Ama said that Mata bailed because she is sick. Momo status?

Michi has been a completely different person in this collab

>>103259716
This looks like Aethel in a bad wig

>>103259965
Zen should become a nugget for her community for 24 hours, then she will be forgiven.

>>103259965
The only place that cares this much about the drama is literally here. You don’t see it anywhere else

Word on the inside is Zen approached her mods saying she would understand if they parted ways with her over this too. I dont think they would but if thats any indicator for how Zen herself views all this then she is taking this harder than she probably should be. Can only imagine how the rest of the friend group is probably observing things

given how fake she is, ari can only be a successful vtuber.
it's over.

BTW Mei refollow Ari yesterday

>>103259829
My heart dropped for a sec. Good one

__________check dms_______________

Pia wants you to last longer
https://x.com/PiaPiUFO/status/1953880032210038999

>>103260030
old news. she also had some discord messages that she made up with whoever upset her

>>103260045

>>103260054
Pia should show feet

>>103260017
Source?

>>103260045

>>103260067
You dont think Zen was the reason they fought right, I dont want that rrat to be real

>>103260083
i made it up

>>103260074
https://streamable.com/9qtu4q

>>103258618
What if Vshojo leadership wasn't complete dogshit?
What if they just hired Snuffy and Haruka like they wanted to instead of wasting a ton of money and time on fake audition?
Even better what if they just hired them and did a real audition on top of that?
What if they didn't waste money on that retarded ad campaign in JP?
What if the contract negotiations weren't handled by a complete retard and were good enough to keep the first leavers and even add even more big guns like Shylily?
What if they didn't half-ass the JP expansion and hired 2 more JP only girls to have a full gen, potentially keeping Nazuna happy enough to stay in VshojoJP?
What if they didn't pay retards like MTD to waste staffs time and kept the operation small enough to be profitable, like VshojoJP?
What if they didn't fuck up all the way and actually debuted the lost gens?
What if we were all watching Vshojocraft 2 right now and everything was fine between talents?

>>103259402
>had no other talents than being a woman
You could still not be a lewdtuber and succeed if you are a talentless hack. You just need luck and maybe hit it big with a huge raid or collab, a clip or two that the algorithm loves or something you did that turns into a meme (natural memes only though, forced memes tend to not get you very far).
Turning into a lewdtuber is usually either by initial choice or desperation.

>>103260144
what if Ama sat on my face right now

>>103260144
>>103260172
There is a timeline where all this happens, and it sucks we aren't on it.

>>103260144
I think Vshojo JP was there biggest mistake.

>>103260075

>>103260236
Then you are retarded because not only was it a profitable branch but also was a gateway to get great talents like Henya, Hotaru, Peke etc

>>103260236
From a profit standpoint, it was literally the only thing they did that WASN'T a mistake.

>>103260355
>>103260383
>cooking the books
>two largest talents are unpaid
>profitable

>>103260355
crazy nazzy should have rejoined with nova as our supernova

>>103260202
Without well treated talent, in house merch, and private ownership. No org can survive forever.

>>103260450
Profitable for the EN side, not for the talents

i am watching swedish peak

Minto playing Half-Life 2 if you are into that

>>103260450
Zentreya was paid wtf. That's why Mouse started the beef between her and Ari and Zen.

>>103260450
Loutlot knew about the income and the expenses of the JP branch and it was overall profitable even if Vshojo paid the talents what they were owed.

>>103260519
He peaked at Sex in Minecraft

>>103260554
I got the impression that most of the debts owed were not visible to him at all

>>103260545
She does like her boomer shooters

>>103260083
No one in Zen's community is leaving over the fucking fat ass midwestern slut that is Ari.

>>103260595
EN debts, JP had separate kitchen but were obligated to send their profits to EN for laundering

>>103260601
half life 2 was one of the first non-boomer shooters

I'm siding with who ever has the fattest ass and tits teebeehaitch

>>103260450
Profitable as in the JP side would've been self-sufficient if it was entirely divorced from EN, which handled all the money and refused to pay the talents and eventually even halved JP staff's pay. Henya and Kson's money was spent on Vshojo's running costs, but evidently JP had a small enough staff that everyone could've been paid just fine with the normal cut they take from merch etc. had it stayed within the branch.

>>103260595
He wasn't aware what happens to the money on the EN side. I'm very confident he wasn't lying about the fact that VshojoJP was profitable because he wanted to make it more independent and keep it alive which you obviously wouldn't do if it's operating on a loss.

>>103260545
I'm more of a Half Life: Paranoia type of guy

>>103260607
slam pigs are based and zen is cringe.

>>103260545
I was waiting for months to see if she'd continue the series after her Half-Life streams, I'm glad she's actually getting back to it.

kek

>>103260732
lol

>>103260660
I dont think he was lying either, but he only had a fraction of the info needed to make that claim

>>103260087
Well, Mei mentioned that a person that ghosted her basically called her overstimulating behind her back, and thus the ghosting started. They also said that said person felt like they used Mei and just dropped them. Now, that it’s not confirmed to be Ari, the person who ghosted them, but she did clarified that with Ari (or at least that’s what the other conversation is timed with the refollowing), that she cleared things up with said someone, and thus reconnected between crying and laughing. Mei did said she learned some bad stuff too, which doesn’t surprised me if Ari told Mei about the Zen thing, which is what mang said with VChiban in which it is obvious that they (Ari or Mouse) are telling people bts about Zen (which is a bit fucked up if you ask me)

>>103260832
starts hanging out with sigrid and bird constantly
then this shit happen

>>103260890
Sigrid and Bird are based. Zen made the right choice.

>>103260664
keep telling yourself that

>>103260832
But it's cool if it was actually Zen telling ari to not hang with certain people. She's just warning her.

Imagine Zen was the Meischizo all along

>>103260958
It isn’t a warning. There obviously was a rift between some one and zen demands people to chose sides

>>103260654
its is unknown is what expenses were spent at EN to support JP. I believe that music expenses were handled by JP, but the merch question becomes unclear. Could JP support itself if they had to have completely separate merch production and distribution from EN?

>>103259987
Lol so she not only lies to her audience but to her colleagues as well

>>103260818
He knew about all the income and expenses of his branch. What else do you think he needed?

>>103260927
you dont even know who they are, weekend threadshitter

>>103260958
I mean, Zen fucked up with one person, they are doing literally the same thing by pulling that. An eye for an eye will make the world blind

>>103261035
nagi sexo

>>103261035
I don't remember wearing this...

Ama should ojousama laugh more often

>>103259965
Yeah, siding with a menhera controlling weirdo.

>>103261042
>expenses
He only knew payroll and clearly didnt know about the “ferrari amount” worth owed to kson

>>103261011
Nah, only Zen is allowed to talk about people behind the scenes and warn others about bad behavior.

>>103261200
He did know about it.

>>103261078
Yeah. Ari should shut the fuck up and be glad Zen didn't drop a full blown doc to kill her.

>>103261199
>hey this person advised me to not hang out with someone
>I know, the appropriate response is to go somehow cause her to lose all of her friends except heavenly.

Heavenly is a boss for standing up to Mouse.

I hope Zen slips on a banana peel and lands face first onto caltrops

>>103261238
I guarantee if Zen does that it'll be the end of her because Mouse, Connor, Vichiban and everyone else will come clean about her behind the scenes. And Henya maybe as the fatal blow.

I wonder f they add IDs how many of these posts would be samefagging? Thinking about 50%

>>103261257
this but the caltrops are my dick. ari meanwhile blows her brains out once she realizes the well of leech targets gets ever smaller

I hope Zen goes to Therapy she needs it

>>103260004
To me it looks like Leon Kennedy

>>103261042
You really think EN itemized the reporting showing JP merch revenue minus the JP merch expenses, we saw the slide deck, the accounting was a shitshow

Powerscaling bros?

>>103261302
>believing Henya
>believing Connor
>thinking Mouse has the pull to destroy Zen
>Vchiban in general

I hope ironmouse gets exposed

>>103261255
Yeah because fence sitting should be considered boss behavior.

>>103261302
Ari was hinting at more things behind the scene about zen yesterday

Zen if you're reading this announce you're taking time off to address your mental health and excessive drinking. Go on vacation for a month. This will neutralize the problem. You're welcome.

>>103261255
female hands typed this

>>103261342
Power, Space, Time, Reality, and Soul. That's 5/6. I think she's the strongest xvsj now right. Only Mind is left

>>103261342
Silver said she didn't plan this and Mythic twitter guy just did this on his own

>>103261342
Fake
Chibi's fat head is too heavy for Silver to lift her

>>103261359
>theres more just out of sight
>you want to see it? and see evidence of the things i also just said?
>i cant because uhhhhh im too nice and this all hurts me inside

>>103261342
did they put a 13 year old in charge?

>>103261390
which one is responsible for timelooping

>>103261320
Go to your hugbox, faggot.

>>103261353
So do I.
Slowly, with some nice soft lighting, and sensual but classy music playing in the background.

>>103261413
she cant because the evidence is just zen warning her about someone. bonus points if they’ve since been cancelled

>>103261339
Kson literally confronted him about the money she was owed and in response he said that VshojoJP was successful according to his data and that the money was probably embezzled somewhere. So yeah, he knew about it.

>>103261342
Most retarded shit I’ve seen in a long time. Cringe as fuck. Real silence brand type moment

>>103261342
I still think Ironmouse win that fight but only if she remove her bell like in ironmouse Unleashed

go live tob

>>103261339
so, EN was selling JP merch at a loss? Is that what you are trying to say?

>>103261199
I also like to make shit up to fit my own narrative.

Did the rat make him do this stream kek

>>103261342
>>103261390
Marvel nerds correct me if I'm wrong but with the full infinity gauntlet Thanos is universal right? That would still fall below Mouse, Amalee, final boss Nyanners and that one Melody version we saw at the end of Zen's last lore video.

is pink cat sexy?

>>103261199
>siding with a menhera controlling weirdo
but enough about Ari

What do you think Zen is doing this very moment?

>>103261588
yes

>>103261573

>>103261614
drinking

>>103261368
>he didn't see the pinned announcement in the chat

>>103261573
and the infinity stones only work within that universe so if thanos brought the gauntlet to another its powerless, so Mouse and Nyan are more powerful than him

>>103261302
>>103261302
This is the thing which makes me really weary about “taking sides”
The two sides are really fucked up for a nothingburger to even be a nothingburger. I still stand by saying that Zen message wasn’t so bad, shouldn’t have been done through discord nor in an emotional state, but it is fair for people to know to not associate the two anymore. Ari pulling the whole exposing shit because “people are speculating” is really shitty to do regardless of what Zen did, people and others will dogpile on it like crazy and she literally just saved her ass.
Unironically it’s more of a mean girls thing what Ari dropped than Zen pulled offline, both are equally wrong, but this for sure turn me off on anything including the two and by extension some other people.

>>103261573
I think so yes. The infinity stone don't work outside of there own universe

>>103261614
She's pulled up to the beach in her f150 enjoying the view with a Smith and Wesson in the passenger seat

>>103261640
This.

I fucking love power scaling

>>103261588
Always has been

>>103261346
Mouse had the pull to destroy a whole company. What the fuck is a Zentreya.

>>103261640
>doing a drunk suicidebaiting stream sengind your rabid fans to harass the other part is somehow not the worst
just say you're an arisperg

>>103261664
It's better than the previous topic lmao

>>103261638
Should have said it was for mental health and addiction. That would have softened the perception of what happened and allowed her to say she's working on being better. Also I don't have faith her "break" will be even 2 weeks. But at least she's not streaming

Theoretically how can Silvervale win agaisnt Nyanners or Mouse. What kind of powerup does she need. If she team up with everyone in Xvsj could she win against them both?

>>103261024
Who knows, honestly. Loutlot had access to the numbers and he seemed to think so. Otherwise he probably wouldn't have even entertained the notion of buying the branch out.

>>103261682
The company destroyed itself, idiot.

>>103261736
Sneeze on mouse and she dies

>>103261640
also nazi germany did nothing wrong, if only poles took it right way it would've been over in a week or two
Fuck you Vei

>>103261640
>fair for Zen to make a statement that will and did immediately leak
>not fair for Ari to say anything

>>103261736
Silver can get universe destroying powers
She just needs to have sex with me

>>103261736
>>103261754
yes kill that bitch

>>103261683
Just say “Hey, it is a conflict between the two. I’m sorry she feels to express that way, but it was a decision that had already been taken and no, there’s no coming back from this. As both are affected by this but it is for my own good and probably to her aswell”. That’s it, shutting down speculation by redirecting the hatred by telling an audience that Zen was acting weird on you and that you “have more”, isn’t the best course of action unless you want to save your ass and condemn the other, which is funny because she then said “to not spread harassment” while likely that both Mouse and Ari have commented to people that were likely fond of Zen, instead for those people to make their own judgement.
Quite literally clique shit.

>>103261754
I meant lore wise dipshit

>>103261736
Just get chat to help. They beat Nyan. So Silver + Chat probably beats Mouse

>>103261793
follow your oshi and kill yourself, gecko

>>103259018

>>103261814
she satan with cvid. sneeze on her and she dies

i dont care about lore someone has to actually kill ironmouse

>>103261819
Using chat is a cop-out, I think. But I wonder if she teamed up with Zen, Henya, Mel, Haruka, Geega, and Kuro, could she win? I mean, a powered-up Haruka could be Kaiju-sized, right?

>>103261787
The statement itself was fine
The stream afterwards was not, and even then it would've been fine if people could realize it wasnt JUST Ari but months of bullshit piling behind the scenes. People just blamed Ari because she was the final straw
Ari did not have to go into any detail on WHY she distanced herself from Zen. Especially because, even as she said, it was a private matter. She only put that out there to distract twittards who were never arguing in good faith anyways. Let like a dozen replies on tweets get to her within a day. She could've just mirrored what Zen said to get people to stop asking about them collabing and not try to drag her down with her.

>>103261640
Zen's post really wasn't that bad.
It's the stream that she did that was bad.

>>103261787
people kept tts Zen asking about ari, she just said with her amusement they are not close anymore and wished her the best in the future so people would stop asking, what wrong with that? did you want a public tweeter amusement or something, the worst part would be pretending nothing is wrong and ignored all the people asking about ari

>>103261860
Which like I said isnt lore accurate

>>103261922
Yeah on that I agree
It did leave to many to wonder what the fuck happened, but at the same time the “response” of it, it’s so weird lol

>>103261878
Do you really believe that Zen and Henya would work in a team-up?

>>103261450
stop samefagging or at least try changing up your typing style to make it less obvious

>went to go get lunch
>now even Silver is playing Peak
Fucking streamer bait games I swear.

>>103262009
they were playing grounded 2 but they finished it

>>103259018

Jowol got into MMA. He should fight Nagzz who also got into MMA and did a single fight

>>103261891
>This is a private thing
>but actually let me say: I’m the good guy over here tho, they tried to manipulate me, but it is private so I won’t show it. Also they hate someone else, but I won’t say who because it’s private. Also there’s more but I won’t say it because it’s private. I’m the good guy btw, didn’t do anything wrong, just a happy oblivious girl, mystery :3

>>103261640
The problem here is that vichiban took sides.

In theory, if Ari and Zen have been why would the IMDF even know about it?

>>103262009
who with?

>>103262044
Evil Henya be like choke on it dayo

>>103262065
Yeah, frot how much Ari wants to "keep it between her and Zen" only, Henya, Mouse, Vchiban etc. sure seem to know a lot about it.

>>103262065
Ari tells Mouse (which is likely the person). Mouse tells Candii idk. Since they all live to suck cum directly from Mouse’s pussy, they drop Zen for being a “weirdo” towards their friend.

Why is Ama being a whore in Marvel Rivals

>>103262073
Still the same group, Mira and Maple.

>>103261557
merch was definitely operating at a loss, possibly on the road to profitability. Most of the revenue was from sponsors, whose cut was not paid to JP talents btw. how can you separate EN merch production from JP merch production realistically? Loutlot claimed profitability based on the release of funds from EN and what he could see on his expense sheet, i.e. payroll after multiple salary cuts. It is very unclear if anything about JP was profitable, they were not separated enough from EN to know.

>>103259829
Henya as a mom is a scary idea.

>>103261891
The statement was not fine. It did not need to be made public in anyway. Either both are fine to be made, or neither. This was a personal relationship and it's fallout did not need to be made public at all. Either both parties get to say their piece, or both can be quiet about it.

>>103262103
Ari is a snake, it's in her nature. The only redeeming quality about her is the fallout for when she eventually turns on Henya and Mouse.

>>103261736
>What kind of powerup does she need.
As a lorechad I have to say that the power difference between Silvervale and Mouse or Nyan is pretty substantial. In her lore video Silvervale basically had to use ALL of her power just to cleanse a tree that got corrupted by Nyan. But she still had a godly origin so maybe inheriting the full power of her mother and cultivating it could have powered her up enough to be a match.
>If she team up with everyone in Xvsj could she win against them both?
Probably, yeah. Amalee is multiversal so she can hold her own against one of them, Haruka and Vei are really powerful in their lore (theoretically Nazuna and Peke as well) so I think if they all teamed up on the other one they probably stand a chance, especially if Silvervale is empowered as well.

I'm just going to say it. I've never liked Zen. I've never liked the TTS speech. I never liked how awkward it was to have any kind of conversation without waiting for it generate the stupid voice. I never liked spamming collabs and twisting people's arms to do things they didn't want to do. I never liked how they guilt trip others when they don't get their way instead of being an adult. I've never liked the "mysteriousness" of Zen not being personal about anything in her life which always seemed disingenuous to me. I've never liked hiding behind the fact that "I use TTS because I'm afraid of getting doxxed" like what are you really hiding. I've never liked the fact that they're always boasting and bragging for credit about how they've helped all these small vtubers when people like Mouse have helped way more and never asked for any credit or cared for validation. I've never liked that at any slight inconvenience they throw a temper tantrum pity party instead of talking behind the scenes like a grown person, because yes Zen is the reason all this happened and spoke out about it publicly first. Zen is the one who followed an unfollowed constantly when they had minor disagreements. Zen is the one who posts subliminal messages or says subliminal things on stream to farm sympathy even if they are in the wrong. If Zen is in the right why did all the people around her collectively turn their back instead of the other way around? This is on ZEN. Take accountability for once in your life instead of hiding like you always do. Just like you hide behind your avatar. Just like you hide behind your fake friendships phony parasocial persona. I'm glad this all happened so hopefully in the future I never have to engage with a braindead Gecko ever again. Good riddance.

>>103262065
whose side is Mel on

>>103262150
Its a personal relationship but its still a public one, and their chats and communities are closely intertwined. They wouldve still been getting TTS messages about eachother for months if they didnt shut it down. It was entirely valid for the statement to be made.

>>103262103
>>103262109
"ari tells mouse

Why would you immediately tell the person you've been warned against who you've known less compared to Zen.

THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE CRIMSON RED FLAG.

Ari was zen's friend first and longer, why did she betray and lock zen up.

>>103262169
Alright, but you're gonna have to get over it.

>>103262130
How could merch be operating at a loss?
Take cash - Send nothing.
It's the perfect money making scheme.

>>103262130
How they managed merch is so funny. Millons of dollars and they didn't use any of it to set up production. Had to sell other people's shit. I remember complaining about this in 2021~.

>>103262079
kek

>>103262061
She really said the bare minimum to deflect the blame onto Zen without providing any of the wider context to try and explain Zen's side of things. It is entirely possible that Zen is just possessive and controlling, but literally nobody else has come out about this so it just leaves people wondering WHY she did it. Who was it about, what'd they do for Zen to not want Ari around them? If it was Mouse for all the reasons I think it would be Mouse then I agree with Zen, unfortunately Mouse is almost untouchable to the normies so it was a fight she could never win, she just had to hope Ari would choose her

>>103262169
this so much, but also being shithead in collabs to a point of cringe

>>103262150
If the feud had already finished. And Zen was getting TTS and chatters about Ari. It is an ok thing to talk about, mainly if they have already assimilated the process and be in a correct state of mind.
But I do think the stream after was really awful, it really came down to an emotional state of mind for their own fault, which boils down to really fucking everything over.
Keeping it hidden was probably going to lead into speculation either way

>>103262221
future SBU assassination victim

>>103262196
This is why I believe it was never intended to be a successful business. They just wanted to have coke parties. Then they couldn't find a sucker to bag hold when they ran out of money.

How happy is the C-suite with the Zen drama rn

who is more menhera Zen or Anny?

>>103262221
Lmao
I wonder if Vedals robot changed it's opinion too.

>>103262259
I think Anny is mostly harmless. Probably more menhera than Zen but less destructive

How big of an asshole is mouse that people still hate her despite all her illnesses?

>>103262169
You just killed that man. Please delete before he reads this and kills himself.

>>103262169
damn. get a life.

>>103262290
qrd?

>>103262183
Then both statements are valid to be made and no one is in the wrong.

>>103262221
I still remember Filian in the Henya call asking if she had ever heard Zen's real voice.

>>103262169

the ex shojos still refuse to acknowledge or mention melody in any way shape and/or form

>>103262303
you barely qualify as people

>>103262187
I said before
Zen likely thought the same with Ari, they were close, turns out Ari likely did not think the same, and she ended up close to Mouse. Which in turn is why Zen likely thought that being so close to Mouse meant that eventually they were going to be broke apart, but they already were, and literally just made a fool of themselves and Ari went running to Mouse to tell her

>>103262221
Reminder this is the person that made a bomb joke at a airport so she is legitimately fucking retarded

>wait... I'm white.
fucking Maple lmao

>>103262339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4DtaVF3NkI

>>103262350
Henya and Michi mentioned her.

>>103262350
except for henya, froot and michi

>>103262337
A statement saying that they had stopped being friends is valid because thats as far as Zen ever took it. Ari adding in all the extra shit to make Zen look bad was not called for.

>>103262350
Honestly I don't even care if Mel was complicit with Apek. Zen just needs to be annihilated.

>>103262169
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ari doesn't have a day job right? I just talked to someone who sounded exactly like her.

>>103262303
We literally have seen this multiple times
Mouse isn’t a bad person but holy fuck if she’s a terrible friend. And it always leads to her making people feel they are more than just colleagues and obviously feel so left out when it’s not really a friendship to her or at least to same degree the other might think
Which is is why only friendships like Connor and Candii have lasted this long

>>103262392
You seems to forget that she did a suicide baiting stream after

>>103262417
you did it. you found her.

>>103262417
is she hot?

>>103262356
Honestly just feel like ari was ladder climbing , only thing I legitimately think zen did was stream drunk. Should have had someone from stopping her to do long that. Anyone with a working brain would know that if you had two people who collab a lot and have a lot of the same fans would have more than a few ask why X person isn’t around.

>>103262417
She was a teacher before she was a vtuber

>>103262254
nobody expected ironmouse to become the golden goose. streaming remains very lucrative for 4view and above, but not profitable enough to pay a dozen employees on the back of 7? talents that stream regularly and the planned revenue stream (merch) is broken/nonexistent. Vshojo could have spammed gacha ads and still sunk

>>103262350
I suspect Apek is a real bad dude, but I think they'll get away with it. He jettisoned expertly. No idea how much Mel would know about it.

>>103262417
Is she fat?

vtuber fans are extremely dense about personal relationships and will never think for a second two people might not be on speaking terms anymore unless explicitly stated, even if its been months or years since either person mentioned the other unprompted. Zen shouldnt have spiraled on stream as hard as she did, but not wanting people to constantly continue to send TTS messages about inviting ari to stuff is also valid for her to want to clear the air

>>103262426
You think Ari was responsible for the entirety of that stream? The sole thing that pushed her to that point? When they hadn't spoken in weeks? That stream just gave bad actors ammo to work with, people with a functioning brain or people who even LISTENED to the stream would understand pretty clearly its everything else in life that pushed her to that point.

>>103262404
sup mowtendoo

>>103262392
Moronic oversimplification. If you had a falling out with someone close and then they came out and told everyone "I am not friends with this guy anymore, just for the record! Also, I'm very sad now ;( " Then everyone will obviously think you're an asshole who did something to hurt them. Now, would you take that, or would you defend yourself?

Ironmouse gives me Eric the Midget vibes but with a better production team.

>>103262445
>Honestly just feel like ari was ladder climbing
Except Ari still hangs out with people smaller than her.

>>103261149
She really needs to MS Paint some blood on the removed bits, it would do nothing for her goal but it would increase blood flow in certain parts of my body in return

>>103262489
What even is the OG zen discord message?

>>103262303
It’s the silverfags they love hating

>>103262361
what arm thing dude

>>103262489
Brother if I lost a dear friend I would sad regardless of it being my fault or not. Shit fucking hurts, nothing in that stream implied “man they fucked me over”, in fact Zen saying “I’m all alone now” feels more like guilt than throwing the blame at someone
Zen fucked up, and did that stream in pure guilt driven by realizing how non existent their friendship truly was.

zen could've just waited a little while to say it
i dont like that it took some heat off of gunrun and mtd

>>103262221
Filian is a based retard

>>103262523

>>103262543
https://youtu.be/BxHtaqDIb3g?si=w-SY1qoRTTn91hKn

>>103262221
is henya allowed to collab with her again now that vshojo can't stop her?

>>103262588
The fact Zen even wrote that in the present tense tells me that she really had not moved on from Ari yet. Ari already seemed like she had moved on weeks ago, but Zen was probably still looking at their last messages together before deciding to write this up.

>>103262615
yes but we all hope she doesn't

>>103262588
Yea this is pretty tame

>>103262577
I have to imagine everyone that has to deal with actual legal bullshit wants to fucking kill Zen for dropping this stress on top of everything.

I'll probably never see Zen appear on a stream I watch again, so I don't really have to think about her anymore.

>>103262624
I still believe that Zen was in love with Ari

>>103259393
i wish i was the meat in a Shoto/U-Sandwich

>>103262454
Alright. It was just really funny getting a phone call from an Arielle for my tech support job and thinking she sounds familiar. Not in the same field.

did zen cuck haruka by plowing ari

>>103262632
Same, I honestly find her loud and annoying

>>103262615
Michi kept collabing with her so I don't think Henya was being stopped.

>>103262640
no one but two bimbos are affected so far, so it's not too bad

>>103262615
When VShojo died her first comment was that the mean girls clique couldn't block her collabs anymore.

>>103262632
Wrong. Filian is entertaining even if she's mentally retarded.

>>103262643
It's the best thing that could ever have happened to us. Mouse doesn't need all this on top of what's already going on.

>>103262663
Other way around

who was the shadow CEO though? how long will it take for the truth to come out? fuck NDAs break the law

>>103262454
>C'mon, kid, you're not just gonna settle for a C, are 'ya?

>>103262648
If this is how Zen feels about her closest friends I feel like she probably loves a lot of her friends in a sort of platonic way. Only thing stopping her from going any further is probably the distance.

>>103262709
I wish this was me

So Haruka is done with Zen too right?

>>103262702
Apek

>>103262702
Apek obviously. He was also the CFO and COO.

>>103262702
Ari was the shadow CEO

>>103262709
fugg ari wins

>>103262728
I'm pretty sure everyone but Heavenly until he finds out the truth about how Zen treated Henya.

>>103262663
Ari plowed zen?

>>103262709
sigh *unzips*

>>103262702
who indeed

>>103262755
what about froot? no one else on earth will play apex with her

>>103262632
Seriously. I've nothing against Filian in principle and I think we ought to support our retards, but good god she's just way too much outside of one minute clips.

>>103262755
Maybe Zen, Mel, and Sinder can form their own little collab group.

>>103262702
mel bene gesserit pussy magic

>>103262728
>>103262755
I think if it gets that far Zen would actually just graduate
She's already lost enough, all she has left are her friends. Even if thats an overreaction, Zen evidently hates herself more than anyone else when she fucks up

Zen is a man that’s why he is in love with Ari. Lesbians don’t exist. Only larpers for money (Numi/Michi/Nyan)

>>103262702
>who is the shadow ceo.

>>103262815
Numi might actually be gay based on her past, but shes the only one

>>103262845
kek good one I get that reference

>>103262845
I don't hate Silver anymore. But I just can't ever let go the "What is a friend?" comment, sorry.

>>103262815
They're 99% lesbian. Fortunately there's only one Aethel.

>>103262912
>They're 99% lesbian.

It's vore day. Which xvsj is most likely to eat me

>bi women are always called straight fakers
>bi men are always called gay fakers
we are truly the most oppressed

>>103262806
what are they going to do lol
go back to walmart wageslaving?

>>103263063
Geega

>>103263072
bi4bi is the only way i guess

>>103263063
Mata

>>103262890
I mean, she was never wrong about that. We had seen SNIVS drift and fall apart in real time back then. Even at the time, she pretty much laid out whats happening again now with Mouse. What is a friend when they dont talk to you for weeks or months and ghost you? When she does that to anyone that doesn't serve a purpose to her?

>>103262624
It’s simple really
Zen is a overthinker which spends most of the day streaming or playing, barely any talks offline like others do, so most interactions you see on screen are likely most of the interaction Zen and others have. Tell me, in the last 5 years when have you heard “oh yeah we stayed in call with Zen for hours”. Almost never.
Which is why Ari probably thought of Zen as much a friend as Zen did because Ari was always there on their streams.

Now you hear Mouse and Ari talking about watching movies together, calling each other, etc, they literally did become friends.
Zen genuinely thought that it meant more to Ari and genuinely considered a friend of hers, and likely thought after all of this they could reconnect. I do firmly believe that the anniversary shit Mouse pulled was like a last nuke to Zen, it made Zen realize their “friendship” was meaningless, thus got drunk and did the shit she did.

>>103263074
Zen has said she wants to go back and finish college. I think get a degree in biology of some sort. What she does after? I dunno, I feel like avoiding wageslaving is one of the most compelling fears someone of her status could have.

>>103263128
Probably didn’t thought*

>>103263103
ironmouse should honestly kill herself what a bad friend

>>103263128
its because zen is so paranoid that they refuse to use their real voice, even in private, the paranoia is justified btw, vtubing is full of gossips and snakes

>>103262845
lies
my wife is not some kind of evil woman

I'm 99% straight and I have a bf. Cock always wins.

>>103263128
>Tell me, in the last 5 years when have you heard “oh yeah we stayed in call with Zen for hours”.
Only Mata comes to mind, pretty sure she's said she's been in VC with Zen in the past just chatting and speaking song lyrics at her. I dont think it quite counts but Zen does spend Sundays with her Patreon in call playing games and watching movies, but I know for sure when watching movies she is also doing things with friends. She's been caught playing games with friends during movie night.

ZEN YOU BITCH COME BACK APOLOGIZE AND ADMIT THAT YOU ARE RETARD YOU CAN STILL FIX THIS

>>103263184
and you get shit like the nyan swatting and camilla break in

>>103260001
how so

Remember the optimism? The "Platinum Age"?

>>103263128
I wouldn't want to spend hours offline talking to a TTS either

>>103263330
it was always a cope. best vshojo was early vshojo

>>103263330
I mean it was a good time for viewers and the talents were still optimistic.

>>103259018
EVIL WOMAN

>>103263320
Well I was listening to her yap with Numi all day at work and she would constantly do the baby voice and be all forgetful/dumb
But then from what I watched of Peak w/ Shoto she was much more normal, lower voice and more aggressive banter
I imagine it's closer to what she's like off stream

Silver will play peak on her bday with Mira and Maple
cute!

>>103263184
>keeps everyone at an arms length due to paranoia
>surprised when she struggles to form personal relationships

Ari won

The truth is zen is a man. He has nothing in common with the others. No period talk no pillow talk no same interests. That’s why he’s so isolated

>>103263184
>>103263290
Never understood the massive hypocrisy that is the idea that online privacy is good but the common sentiment that vtubers are ugly e-whores that should show themselves. Vtubing to me seemed revolutionary in keeping people at arm's length online but still getting to be a streamer. Ideally nobody should have ANYTHING about themselves on the current internet, nobody has to know jack shit about you or what you look like or even remotely where you live. Keep that between you and friends. I'll never blame Zen for keeping the TTS for whatever reason - the less people know about you the better.

>>103263432
Who?

>>103263468
my wife

>>103263432
Is she still doing VR or is it just peak now

>>103263444
Mouse doesn't get periods either, they have so much in common! And Geega now I guess, probably. And by some extension, Heavenly

>>103263432
mira is still around?

>>103263446
Yea people are fucking crazy and this lewdtuber I follow legit had some dude stalk her over this stuff

>>103263446
>Vtubing to me seemed revolutionary in keeping people at arm's length online but still getting to be a streamer.
My man, face reveals used to be a big thing in the let's playing scene because a ton of content creators didn't/don't use their faces in their stuff.

>>103263493
she probably will
there's VR stream tomorrow

>>103263507
you sound like someone who will never be a woman

>>103263063
Nyan seems oddly into giantess stuff and that goes well with vore

>>103263575
>wanting to be a woman
Legitimately one of the most horrible things I think that could happen to me

>>103263548
I missed that part of the scene cause I didnt follow anyone like that besides Cryaotic
If he had survived into the vtuber age he wouldve been fucking huge

>>103263486
I dont remember posting this, but i am enjoying her new song andi do love her with all my heart. i want to hold her close and let her know how precious she is and everything will be okay. then give those wonderful funbags the attention they deserve and afterward hand feeding her jerky while letting her know she is a very good girl.

>>103263635
He did nothing wrong.

Can we add snuffy to the OP?

>>103263668
kill yourself

>>103263635
For big modern examples, you had Corpse and Dream.

>>103263725
Never signed with VShojo so no

>>103263725
was never in even though she should have been. such a layup. gunrun is fucking retarded

Can we add bat to the OP?

>>103263769
yes she was the 4th monster

>>103263444
Zen should collab with Katie

>>103263748
>Corpse
i dont miss him at all, but what even happened this guy

Can we add Anonymous to the OP?

>>103263725
idol or monster?

>>103263674
If only he would've known just how easily forgiven and forgotten things like what he got canceled for are nowadays... I mean it could've set him on the path to the alt right grifter pipeline, but he also maybe coulda just outright ignored it at his size

>>103263748
Yeah, too recent for when I regularly watched letsplayers. RIP TB, the current gaming landscape wouldve killed him if the cancer didnt

Can we add men shitting in each others mouths to the OP?

>>103263621
Imagine being a young boy who isn't Chad but then just as you start at least becoming a strong man a wizard turns you into an aging woman
Worst of both worlds

>>103263798
her recent model is pretty idolish. she fits with 3am really well

>>103263796
Some people say his face leaked and he's not hot so his fans turned on him and he completely withdrew from the internet cause he already hated a lot of the attention. Its also possible his throat condition was getting bad enough he was just forced to step away to preserve what he had left before he loses it entirely

>>103263674
>>103263799
fuck off
the proto-eboy was creeping on minors

important [Silver news] from today's stream
>Silver's binder comes out in september
>Vcard opening handcam stream in the future
>birthday merch will include GS made plushie

>>103263734
again CLB you have no one but yourself to blame when you are the first one rounded up. gun and apek had the sense enough to run and you are here just trying to shit up the thread thinking that might have any hope of saving your coke riddled emo ass.

>>103263522
she is

>Mata is late to the dual Meet &Greet with Limes
Evil Momo was right

>>103263725

>>103263966
not satisfied with herself not streaming, shes now messing with other people's schedules so they cant stream as well

>>103263966
>>103259987
tummy hort please understand

>>103263919
Of course, but a lot of people do that now and somehow stick around. He actually took it upon himself to just leave the internet entirely, like everyone else who has done that should. He didn't have to.
Its wild that was somehow only 5 years ago, feels like a decade ago to me.

>>103263926
don’t care but go ahead and same fag some more

>>103264040
>don't care
>still replied

>>103264016
Snummy sex!

>>103263926
>news
>merch merch merch buy the merch

>>103263933
kek holy mindbroken schizo meltdown. fucking obsessed it’s perfect

>>103264016
Snuffy's trajectory is so confusing to me. Pink Cat -> Cute Orange Design -> Gigaslut Orange Design -> Cute Blue Design -> Gigaslut Blue Design -> Punk Blue Design -> Chubby Sex Design
Make it make sense.

>>103263966
Evil Momo needs to fuck off he keeps cursing her

>>103264130
do you watch vtubers?
news always means merch

>>103264140
between every design add *smokes weed* then youll get it

>>103263926
good shit

>>103264140
She wanted to be generic and cute because thats what she thought vtubers had to be, then she became raccoon, then she wanted to be cool because being cute was cringe, then she wanted to be hot, then she became blue and cute cause she wants to be the girly girl she never allowed herself to be.

>>103264187
she stopped smoking weed around the first smilfy when she got sick but i think she started around the punk blue design again

>>103264016
she's slowly morphing into silver 2.0

>>103261342
>Thanos memes

Grandma got run over by a reindeer ~~~~

Did someone say weed?

Where's pink cat

How is pink cat

>>103264408
>>103264380

>>103264324
https://youtu.be/v1vXC-vKgKg?t=133

pink cat might be good.
but is pink cat evil?

>>103264408
Probably technical issues or sickness causing her to be late again I guess

>>103264442
> IM
nigga buy an ad

>>103264449
Pink cat used to be evil but Aethel cured her

>>103264442
keep exposing ironmouse the mousefags dont like it

>>103263966
Evil Momo needs to fuck off he keeps cursing her

>>103264380
dream blunt rotation?

I think its a little sad how Zen was treated just because "she" is a "girl". Like if it was anyone else they would have got so much support, but people where almost mocking them.
Was it because they jumped the gun about ari?
I think yesterday ari was in mouses chat and she said " i love you ari!"
And i guess that kinda solidified mouses take on that.

>>103264442
That's literally a numberchimp from /#/

>>103264505
if Zen was a male they would've gotten Evil Toaster'd so fucking hard right now

>>103264442
Anon posting random Twitter posts like people should know who the fuck that is, go back to /v/

>>103264380

>>103264554
he didn't even posted the views or likes lol

Whats the tldr on ari's response ?
or is it going on RN? i dont follow her.

>>103264408
Shes live now

pink cat live

>>103264505
Not going to lie, that was a cunt move by mouse

pink cat

>>103264603
sex

Mouse please bring back #mouseylust

>>103264380
Don't like weed but I really like that art style.

>>103264585
>as zen said, they're no longer friends
>for a while zen has been policing the people ari hangs out with and making a fuss about that to her
>she decided to distance herself from zen because of this for her own mental health, because she doesn't want anyone telling her who should and should not be her friends
>they havent been talking for weeks and zen dropped the announcement out of the blue
>ari wanted to keep it private because the uncertainty for the viewers was better than airing it out, but zen doing the shit she did made her feel forced to put out a statement
>wishes no ill will to zen, but made it clear that they have drifted apart and it's not looking good on the mending, ever
>asks both communities to give space and time to just move on

Also here you can watch its only a 19 mins stream
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2534053419

>>103264449
>pink cat good
Nyan
>pink cat evil
Michael

>>103264681
>out of the blue

newthread
>>103264714
>>103264714
>>103264714

>>103264681
>its only a 19 mins stream
skip first 5 minutes

The virgin Zen/Ari double crying meltdown
The Chad Froot/Katie "I will no longer be associating with" parting of ways

>>103264681
actually good summary

>>103264719
I mean would you expect someone to make a fucking post about it because of this?

>>103264719
>froot not there
despicable

>>103264681
One more thing Are mentioned she has screenshots and doesn't want to use them
so idk what the fuck Zen said on dms

>>103264795
Were Froot and Mouse ever close?

>>103261854
>>103262169
>>103262325
rope yourself arifaggot

>>103264803
you've latched onto a word without surrounding context

Is Zen.... Gunrun?

>>103264597
It definitely shows that Mouse is already aware of the situation and probably has had a hand in how things have gone down behind the scenes. Or, if she didn't, she really just outright doesn't like Zen to show support so immediately. Zero chance they ever make up if she's gonna make her stance so clear.

>>103264681
>wishes "no ill will" to zen
>does this stream where she's basically just slandering her
classic maniplulative bitch behavior

>>103264825
Ugh, what do you mean close?
They were in the same org! That's like being in the same anime or school, they HAVE to be friends!

>>103262845
>>103263468
>>103263734
>>103264040
>>103264133
kill yourself silverschizo

>>103262709
God this is diamonds

>>103262709
Zen irl wife is a teacher too

>>103264516
Worse even numberchimps hate his guts

>>103262065
Did anyone in the group say anything to paint them with siding with Ari or just speculation do to Candii being good friends with Mouse

>>103261789
is this some Baki bullshit?