The Vtubing Industry is dire straits as of now. What ideas do you have to improve things, and seperate them from regular streamers?

it need to die, once it got popular and it became just streamers with anime avatar, it was no longer fun.

>>103261900
It doesnt have to die, but I think it should evolve.

Both corpos and indies have the opportunities to do a bunch of really creative stuff with their models by using technology that IRL streamers can't.

But all they do is just play video games or sing and dance.

Also think they should lean more heavily into a WWE style kind of environment where all the girls have their own lore and some staged rivalries

>>103262027
Big corpos will never risk it, they answer to shareholders, not the fans.
Small corpos is one step away from bankruptcy, just look at vshojo.
Indies is also one failure away from bankruptcy, and unlimited liabilty at that, one failed event and you gonna be sleeping on the street.

1. Normalize girls wanting to face reveals and mixed flesh streams.
2. kill the concept of corpos and have small groups of vtubers form bands that hire their own manager.
3. fold vtubing into general streaming

The old, Japanese culture driven ideal of vtubing needs to finally die.

>>103262687
Vshoujo was ran by a bunch of greedy idiots, not really anything to do with their talent.

>>103262749
THese are all terrible ideas and you need to be beaten with a hammer.

>>103262749
Face reveals don't need to be a thing, everything else is fine if it happened

>>103262687
Pretty much.
Going crazy sounds fun but it probably isn't worth the monetary investment and is really only a luxury for people with excessive disposable income like Doki or Filian.
Mint though does manage to pull off some creative things through her little stock pngs and skits, which is something I'd like to see more of.


What I REALLY want to see though is one of those game shows where people do stupid quizzes or do nonsense mini D&D campaigns in google slides. Magic the Noah's the best example and he's had some vtubers on his channel before like Rin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VMniPDc8qg

>>103261741 (OP)
It's over, anon. Dramafags have infested the hobby and there's no undoing this infection.

>>103262749
>kill the concept of corpos and have small groups of vtubers form bands that hire their own manager.
I think this one is critical. A lot of them need someone to help them manage shit behind the scenes, but that someone needs to answer directly to them and not a bunch of mouthbreathing shareholders.

>>103262971
>someone to help them manage shit behind the scenes, but that someone needs to answer directly to them
That was supposed to be Vshoujo
Greed always wins kid

>>103261741 (OP)
>abolish streams
>go all in on making video content for whatever niche a chuuba likes (singing, gaming, cooking, drawing, politics, etc.)
>always stay in character
>all in on opsec

>>103261741 (OP)
What you call "Dire straits" is what I call the fulfillment of my dreams. Corpos shall fall. Fans will accept that their chuubas have lives outside streaming. All will collab with all.

>>103261741 (OP)
ENsharts aren't V. Sorry bro.

>>103261741 (OP)
corpo Vtubing is in a dire state maybe with holo being the only ''real'' thriving corpo

indie goes well as ever

>>103262027
This all happened when you freely accepted Live2D puppeteers and livestreamers as ""vtubing"".
>replacing 3D completely destroyed the OG appeal of vtubers and no amount of models and toggles will ever fix the instant drop in functionality.
The current sunken cost investment into this scam, five-figure 2D models and rigging, further prevents 3D becoming the norm again, sadly.
>livestreaming inherently kneecaps creativity and encourages entertainers to act more as "their real selves" both JP and EN, leading all the drama we know.
When the only ""creative"" streamer people can name is still Jerma, it speaks volumes about this dreaded medium. It's also much harder to keep kayfabe as a streamer, which is why nearly everyone gives up on that several weeks in.

>>103263190
>That was supposed to be Vshoujo
Okay, so go smaller then. Hire the manager directly instead of going through a big corpo.

>>103262791
>not really anything to do with their talent
the vshojo talents were the ones who chose those greedy idiots and went around shouting they were the best.

>>103264105
nta.
>Hire the manager directly
This is Kson, still lost a shitload of money.

>>103262971
But don't you love the MythMash songs and want to buy the cheap merch? What about the cool phonecases that habe Mori and Ina on them? How about the 2 voicepacks that just came out in the last half month? Not your cup of tea? What about the AFO lightstick and teeshirts? AFO happi? Srill doing nothing? How about a cool mobil gacha game that your favorite talent 100% liked when she played it? Or the 2nd anni merch from FWMC who just came off of their 1m sub celebration merch? Maybe the soon to be released justice 3d merch, or maybe Kiara's bday merch, it's about to close for preorder soon! Don't worry though, if you miss that, you still have a chance to get her anni merch in half a month. Oh, and FWMC were asking for ideas of what kind of merch to produce next last night during their stream, so there's always next time to buy more if you can't this moment.

>>103263190
Vshojo got too big. What vtubers need is to form gens without corpos basically. 4-6 talent groups, no more.

>>103263938
There's a few that have some pretty good streams that arent like the typical vtuber model.

>>103263938
AlpineShowTime is the best example I can think who actually has unique take on the whole vtubing model and streams

>>103263938
>Everyone gives up
Actually...

>>103264221
Funny you mention the phonecases, because if they had managed to squeeze Calli's other foot into the design then I would have ordered one by now. Ina's feet are completely cut off an inch or two above the ankle on hers, iirc.
The art is otherwise really nice but I am legit pissed about the lack of grippers. The fucking water bottles have their feet from the same dillutrations on full display but not the goddamn phonecases that they spent hours selling. HOW DO YOU FUCK THAT UP

>>103261741 (OP)
Expel everyone open about being married or in a relationship. Simple as.

>>103264221
Funny you mention the phonecases, because if they had managed to squeeze Calli's other foot into the design then I would have ordered one by now. Ina's feet are completely cut off an inch or two above the ankle on hers, iirc.
The art is otherwise really nice but I am legit pissed about the lack of grippers. The fucking water bottles have their feet from the same illustrations on full display but not the goddamn phonecases that they spent hours selling. HOW DO YOU FUCK THAT UP

>>103264418
>Expel everyone open about being married or in a relationship. Simple as.
you should expel yourself into oncoming traffic

>>103264221
Corpo bad, so buy ex-corpo day 1 merch drop, some rings and condoms for your oshi or a even cuckchair!

>>103264464
tourist cuck spotted.

I am in favor of the co-op like sentiment being spread here.
Small groups hiring a couple workers and incorporating and only focusing on promoting themselves not trying to own the world is where this needs to go.
Having a cut taken out to cover employees and be allocated towards budget for events use Mythic for endorsements.
People like Doki and Saba are already paying for full teams for themselves and that could be consolidated under a co-op and put towards joint events that would be more profitable than their solo ones.

>>103264578
if that's your thing anon then sure, why not
>>103264599
you can spam this shit until the adderall bottle runs empty. we're not going away. you lost.

>>103264578
Wh!t's that? Instant deflection and bringing up debut merch, something Holo also does? Whoa, you're on a roll there friend!

>>103264649
so nice that tourist opinion don't matter.
neither will unicorns go away, keep seething cuck.

>>103264221
>>103264578
>Making money is....LE BAD
Why do like 80% end up like this?

>>103264658
What's that? Instant deflection to Holo when they were never mentioned? Whoa, it's a phasecuck!

>>103264747
>I'll reference something very specific and then play dumb when I'm called out.
You're a massive tool and a fag

>>103264711
so when are you and your oshi going on your first date anon

let it burn

>>103264890
only phasecucks think Corpo=Holo,
you can't deflect this faggot, you went retarded.

>>103264897
when you stop buying condoms for me, i can't stop fucking your oshi at the moment.

>>103264976
It was a list of HoloEN products, how is it not related to Holo? Are you retarded?

>>103264389
Identical twins btw

>>103261741 (OP)
well....i think bao not screaming at the top of her lungs, "I WANT TO KNOT!!!", is a starter.

maybe self censorship, lots of it
maybe the destruction of the lewd/prawn industry
idk, maybe the destruction of the internet and heavy censorship deserved

>>103262749
>1. Normalize
How do you just 'normalize' something out of thin air? Thats like asking for someone else to figure out a plan out action for you

>>103262791
>Vshoujo was ran by a bunch of greedy idiots
The commies on this board are fucking retarded. Vshojo's problem was that their entire business model was unsustainable because they were running almost entirely on investor capital.

>>103262749
>>The old, Japanese culture driven ideal of vtubing needs to finally die.
are you saying we should nuke japan again?
because if that's what you're saying i'm all in.

>>103268052
Anon, I think Vshoujo's problem was not paying their talent, and stealing half a million dollars from a charity fund.

>>103268115
n-no....it was da commies

>>103268115
Anon. They couldn't pay them because it turns out spending more money then you're making is unsustainable.
And they used that money to pay outstanding debt.
What would you have done? Paid for more Ironmouse models and burned through even more investor money?

>>103261900
This guy got it.

>>103262027
so basically, what filian does sometimes
filian was ahead of the curb in content ideas, but without any other talents to join her.

>>103268330
So how is this not a direct consequence of their greed and stupidity...?
Are you retarded