Thread 103335354

Especially as they approach 30 their biological clock is seriously ticking and it’s not fair of anyone to ask them to give up being mothers for life. That’s one of the most beautiful things a person can do.

It just sucks it’s not with one of us and we’re completely in the right to feel hurt.

If you think married women should graduate that’s totally valid too but if you really wanted your oshi to give up her own happiness for the rest of her life you never really loved her

I wish all you anons to find your own love and happiness as well

>Azki
>literally married
>extremely beloved holomem, top tier CCV, had an 80k ASMR stream today
>NOOO WHY AREN'T YOU HATING HER UNICHUDS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HATE HER LIKE NIMI!!!

>>103335700
Consider the following:
>Holo talent has slightest issue
>Rrats, outrage and rrats are spun gallore
>Holo talent leaves company for whatever reason
>Indie scene niggers and their fans flock to predict their eventual fall to irrelevance, punking them for engagement
>Break their reputation sister-style and take over spills from their audience
>Continue to hack away at Hololive to take over their market share
>No need to improve their own product, just break down and steal from others
>Predatory creators are a cancer on creative outlets, and its not just in Vtubing this happens
They are not targeting Azki because they do not watch her, and they are after EN viewers. Just notice who they target.

>>103335354 (OP)
skill issue

>>103335354 (OP)
people dont hate Nimi for getting married
they hate her for having sex with her boyfriend for 4 years (premarital sex) and lying about it by omission to grift incels

>>103335354 (OP)
>worse
It depends. I listen to plenty of podcasts with female hosts and I don't care about their private life, but most vtubers can only offer me GFE, so their quality is tied to that illusion and keeping the character and their private life separate.

>bad people
I'm too lazy to do value judgement.

>biological clock
>give up her own happiness for the rest of her life
Spooks. I don't really give a shit either way but I don't think happiness is the point of life.

>>103335354 (OP)
never understood why it's a problem if i don't want to be a cuck, if you want to go suck some dicks you can but then i should be free to call you a whore and stop watching you

>>103335354 (OP)
>You never really loved her
Isn't that good tho? aren't you people calling everyoen parasocials for not wanting them to do lore drops? why the moment the break the immersion and funding her married lifestyle we're not being parasocial enough?? what the fuck is this kind of backwards logic?
Azki and other Holos are married, we all know that, do they do lore drops? nope. Even fucking rushia kept it professional until discord fucked her over
>T-they are tircking you!!!
Oh shoot, is jack sparrow also tricking me? how about chris angel? is he also tricking me? fucking respect the kayfabe and you'll get money, break it and don't expect the same support from others, that's the healthiest way to see this rather than supporting her every decision that collide with my own, she ain't my friend nor my wife, I owe her absolutely nothing.

>>103336483
OP here. I think you’re really taking what I said in poor faith. I did love her. I got hurt a lot by Nimi’s reveal. At the same time I acknowledge that it would be incredibly selfish of me to ask her to be single for the rest of her life. I disagree with you fundamentally as I’d much rather be told the truth than be lied to. Azki’s marriage is an open secret but the Rushia stuff was messed up. That was manipulative. Nimi came clean and I respect that

>>103336540
Then that's a (You) problem, any single person here who thinks a chuuba isn't getting her holes filled up on a regular basis is a massive retard, don't tell me, you think Kronii doesn't fuck either? or Ollie? oh, maybe you thought Gura was such socially inept person that she never got a boyfriend?
If you believe that these women never had someone on the side then, again, that's on you and you're fucking retarded because of it.
As I said, chris angel was bs and everybody knew it, but he didn't come out in the middle of his popularity to say how he was full of shit and people enjoyed the immersion even tho deep down we all knew it was fake, your first mistake was to think these women were single or would stay single

>>103336327
roasties and anti-natalist kikes get mad when it becomes viral most of feminine value comes from purity

>>103335354 (OP)
They're not bad people for that, no. They're bad people because they get a LOT of money out of knowingly leading mentally ill, desperate dudes along with an illusion of intimacy, using shaming and lovebombing to adjust audience expectations without a care for the audience's mental state according to their own financial convenience and guilt-tripping their fans into supporting them across characters and online personas indistinguishable from one another in all but aesthetics while demanding from them distance from any RL affairs besides the ones they shed a light on to maintain the fake-ass show of smoke and mirrors.

>>103335354 (OP)
Of course not, but they ARE bad people for not keeping their private business private. You smile and put on a show to make lonely people happy for 5-10 hours a WEEK. You have the other 95% of your life to talk about your kids and husband.

>>103336540
bro she wasn't pure even a month after she started streaming

>>103337011
retarded

>>103336483
This!
Also monetisation of lonely people is shitty job but there is a contract: I dont speak in chat how shitty and lonely my life is and chuuba plays the role and does not talk how her life changed because she started getting enough money so she’ll never have to work and now she wants a family and all this normalfag stuff.

>>103335700
>Azki
>literally married
>extremely beloved holomem, top tier CCV, had an 80k ASMR stream today
>stays professional and doesn't post little lore drops
It's that easy.

>>103336540
why would you respect someone for revealing something that breaks immersion and nobody cares? lore dropping it's just a woman moment

>>103337096
What do you mean? If you’re referring to her having a boyfriend you’re right but she was always kind and genuinely cared about her fans

>>103337810
>genuinely cared about her fans
Lol

>>103337807
Because I like that more than someone like other very popular chuubas who I will not name to avoid a 3 day who string fans along and lie by omission to a 6-7 figure pay out.

Nimi is not stupid. She knew she was taking a significant revenue hit to do the right thing. I respect that

>>103338043
If there's truly nothing to be ashamed of behind the scenes, there's no such thing as "doing the right thing" by tanking your paying audience.

>>103338162
I never claimed she was free of sin. Vtubing is inherently predatory and takes advantage of lonely men who often have mental illness for 6 figure pay packages.

I personally would never be able to do BFE if I had a partner, morals wouldn’t allow it. That said it’s still more respectable to come clean at all vs hiding it forever till it leaks like Rushia did or just having really strong ospec like a certain marine life

>>103335354 (OP)
IT SHOULD'VE BEEN MEE!!

>>103335700
What not involving you RL to your Chuba brings you

>>103338319
The main problem is the timing
She specifically waited until she got their money, then had lore drop
She came clean because it no longer mattered by then, not out of any moral concerns
Mind you, she didn't hide it before Hololive

>>103338823
You’re right, it would’ve been better if she’d said it on debut. Nevertheless saying it at all is better then never

>>103338823
>>103338903
Regardless of "coming clean" and whether it's a moral thing to do, regardless of timing.. she's still not exempt from mockery and derision.

>>103339035
Shit post all you want but she’s not a whore nor is she morally in the wrong for prioritizing her own happiness over anyone else’s

>>103339130
>but she’s not a whore
She literally is because she profited off attention of other men and not by being that entertaining

>>103335354 (OP)
The only non-schizo take is that the performer should keep their personal life separate from their persona as an entertainer. The audience has no claim to what the actual person does in their personal life.
If you do GFE/BFE then it's still none of the audience's business what you do off stream, BUT you better bury that shit deep and keep it locked up tight if you don't disclose that early on (in which case good luck retaining an audience.)
Idol rules are dumb as fuck to apply to streamers, but some basic ethics go a long way

>>103339130
>prioritizing her own happiness over anyone else’s
That's pretty much a pre-requisite for being morally in the wrong, especially if "anyone else's" happiness was based on an illusion she kept going for years and earned a lot of money doing so.

>>103339321
>The only non-schizo take is that the performer should keep their personal life separate from their persona as an entertainer.
Most people would call this a schizo take. Schizo takes aren't, they're just inconvenient
to the girls keeping their cake and eating it.

>>103335354 (OP)
I dont mind as long as the kid is white

>>103335354 (OP)
my oshi is infertile and hates children
not my problem

>>103339360
>>103339187
I think you’re both wrong but I’ll continue enjoying streams and you have no obligation to

>>103339822
Have fun paying for the wedding cake.

>>103339411
I won't pretend there's not plenty of streamers trying to do that, but I don't think you need to presume. As long as the chuuba renders unto audience the things that are audience's, and unto hubby the things that are hubby's, nobody's mad.
unicorns notwithstanding ofc

>>103339360
Wrong. It's okay to be a bit selfish, you're not a worse person for trying to indulge yourself.
There is no such thing as a selfless person.

>>103335354 (OP)
then graduate and stop streaming
women actually can’t even be paid so stay single it’s kinda crazy

>>103339822
have fun on the cuck chair when she will stream with her husband

If everyone knows Azki is married and she doesn't feel the need to do a lore drop, why is it that everyone /here/ has to talk about it?

>>103336157
>people dont hate Nimi for getting married
>they hate her for having sex with her boyfriend for 4 years (premarital sex) and lying about it by omission to grift incels
Neither incels nor anyone else were ever entitled to that information. If other vtubers chose to share that information with their audience up front, that's their choice. Nimi didn't act any less ethically for keeping it to herself. No one but Nimi and her boyfriend are stakeholders in their relationship or lack thereof. Incels proceeding to watch her as if it was in any way relevant to their lives is their own mistake.

>>103341007
>then graduate and stop streaming
>women actually can’t even be paid so stay single it’s kinda crazy
You are going to die alone, and your genes will not stay in the pool. This is a good thing.

>>103343416
they're stakeholders if they literally send you money with the intention of supporting a single woman

finally, a voice of reason

>>103344153
>they're stakeholders if they literally send you money with the intention of supporting a single woman
Who asked them to do that? Nimi? As far as I can tell, she's only ever asked people to support her as an entertainer. Her relationship status has always been irrelevant, regardless of what patriarchal ideas incels have about strange anime women on the internet.

>>103335354 (OP)
You should assume every vtuber is in a relationship.

>>103344845
>You should assume every vtuber is in a relationship.
If this helps you keep the proper distance, then this is fine. A better place to put your brain is "If she's in a relationship, it is not with me and will never be with me, because I am in the audience."
>>103339321
>The only non-schizo take is that the performer should keep their personal life separate from their persona as an entertainer. The audience has no claim to what the actual person does in their personal life.
>If you do GFE/BFE then it's still none of the audience's business what you do off stream, BUT you better bury that shit deep and keep it locked up tight if you don't disclose that early on (in which case good luck retaining an audience.)
>Idol rules are dumb as fuck to apply to streamers, but some basic ethics go a long way
This is almost all of the way there.
If they're a GFE/BFE streamer, then yes, exposing their partner on that persona's streams or channels means that they've failed pretty miserably at their job. But the onus isn't on them to "bury that shit deep and keep it locked up tight." It's the audience's responsibility to *not go fucking looking for it*. Just don't pay attention to their non-GFE/BFE accounts. Pretend like that shit doesn't even exist.

>>103335354 (OP)
Graduate and leave THEN you can get a boyfriend or married.

>>103335700
Azki is Azki. Nimi is some bitch in an anime skin.

>>103343416
>Place your life in the public sphere on purpose and build a business model entirely around that premise
>Be surprised when people make your private details into a public issue when you're the dumbass who made your life into a public issue

If you don't want people to butt into your life, don't whore yourself out for the amusement and entertainment of strangers on the fucking internet. Simple as.

>>103345677
>Graduate and leave THEN you can get a boyfriend or married
>>103346153
>If you don't want people to butt into your life, don't whore yourself out for the amusement and entertainment of strangers on the fucking internet. Simple as.
You should both graduate and leave this hobby. You are clearly incapable of engaging with it safely and responsibly, due either to lack of maturity or mental illness.

>>103335354 (OP)
>choose vtubing because you don’t want a real job and easy monies
>respecting kayfabe is the bare minimum requirement
>don’t respect kayfabe
>get deservedly shit on
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU ARE LITERALLY ENSLAVING THEM NONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Retard

>>103336540
So you think every actor should just have scene in the movie where they say "BTW, this is just a movie and I'm an actor, nothing that you are seeing here is actually happening ", otherwise they are manipulative for making you believe they are actually the character that they are playing?

>>103347802
I'm not IN this hobby, you absolute brain-dead retard. I'm a board tourist attempting to give a very simple answer to the problem outlined in the OP.

If you don't want people to make a public spectacle out of your private life, then stop trying to run your private life as a public spectacle. If you want the money and social status that comes with your life being a public spectacle, then understand what you're getting into and how people are going to react, because your life is no longer just your life, its a product being tagged and sold. You did that to yourself for money and status and should be prepared to face the consequences of your own actions like an adult. Its not complicated.

>>103335354 (OP)
>If you think married women should graduate that’s totally valid too but if you really wanted your oshi to give up her own happiness for the rest of her life you never really loved her
The difference is the one-sided nature of this. VTubers often say they feel distressed when their regulars change oshi or leave the fanbase altogether. You're more than just a number to them, but your suffering doesn't matter either because you should have your own life. In that case, it's reasonable to call a whore a whore especially if she's emotionally manipulating you to spend your time and money giving her attention and validation.

>>103349064
>choose vtubing because you don’t want a real job and easy monies
Dealing with thousands of shitheads like you is a real job that neither you nor I could do.
>respecting kayfabe is the bare minimum requirement
It's only a requirement for unicorns, and you've been decisively shown to be irrelevant. Your constant spamming is not paying Nimi's bills and never did.
>don’t respect kayfabe
Cry about it.
>get deservedly shit on
And you were shit on tenfold in return.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU ARE LITERALLY ENSLAVING THEM NONONONONOOOOOOOOO
No, what you're literally doing is being unlikable assholes who are correctly being run out of the hobby.

>>103349459
Enablers like you make me want to spend all of my time finding out who has a bf just so her fanbase can suffer