Thread 103468989

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>>103468989 (OP)
So was it Rosemi or Reimu who leaked this? My bet is Reimu.

>>103469070
It was obviously Elira starting shit again.

>>103468989 (OP)
>these messages
WAIT
SO THEY'RE CONFIRMED?

>>103468989 (OP)
and this is why niji en will ALWAYS be inferior to holo en

>>103468989 (OP)
Biggest hoax I've ever seen lol

>>103469070
Rosemi would never do something like this

i hate kotoka
that is all

>>103469168
Maybe, but I want it to be real just because it'd shed a fuck ton of light on what happened back then.

>>103469127
remember when multiple anons gaslighted this board saying it was fake lol

>>103468989 (OP)
why would anyone make fake discord chats with fucking chatgpt when we already know how they type from Millies 4chan larp stream

>>103469127
>>103469257
Where is this even from

>>103469289
this was leaked to /haha/ back during the coffee drama years ago - Dec 2023

obviously fake. none of these retards can string together that many big words in a row.

>>103469064
tldr: bitches be doing bitch things. this is why AI will win.

>>103469289
Goon Gang/outfitschizos united discord

>>103469289
One was leaked around I wanna say the 28th of dec, with another one a week or so later.
This would 100% line up with the timeline where the first one was taken pre-suicide and the second one was after she came back.

>>103469064
anon learn how to photoshop/inspect element

Hold up. Is Riku actually fucking smart? He saw his demographics were overwhelmingly "females and non-binaries" and decided to create an entire branch dedicated to high school drama.
Obviously he let his creation get out of his control which is a skill issue on his end but if I was aiming for the smaller niches (non-men) in EN vtubing, I'd want interpersonal dramafaggtory as my hat.

>>103468989 (OP)
>Reimu is nuking everything before she leaves
Keep leaking more dirt Reimu

>>103469289
If you want to know the actual place it was, it would've been the discord she made for the coffee project.
Selen/Doki organizes projects by making a new discord channel for each one and inviting only the relevant people.

>>103468989 (OP)
This is written by someone who doesn't know how actual people write.
Everyone in this message has the same "voice", it's fake as fuck

>>103469127
>>103469410
Interesting, this implies that they all saw the leaks from the discord and the 4chan leaks likely as well

>all of them conspiring in a discord to terminate their own friend or make her public dogeza because she posted a video early
This has to be fan fiction because it's just so over the top mean girls clique behavior. Was this made by a pro doki person??

>>103469444
@grok is this true?

>>103469468
>over the top
>from the woman who memed on Doki with "an attempt lol" on her PL twitter.
I think this is on brand in my professional opinion.

>>103469447
>>103468989 (OP)
Do you think it takes the guy weeks at a time to make these considering that's how far apart they're released? At least he learned not to make all the replies the same timestamp this time.

>>103468989 (OP)
>talents were pressuring management to terminate
rotten company, inside and out

>>103469388
no

>>103469447
based on deduction, this is the context of a discord group chat and not a discord server. Lol whomever you are, you're making an elaborate larp or just don't care anymore and want to release everything against Selen. You're likely Reimu timing this when Rosemi left

>>103469447
>>103469461
Wow this Selen person sounds like a massive bitch

>>103468989 (OP)
No way Kotoka said that much in English. She barely spoke English in her streams most of the time

So if that Discord screenshot was allegedly taken on Jan 4 2024, as the "todays" and "yesterdays" therein would suggest, why wait until just now to leak it? Why wait until it's a year and a half too late for it to help Niji EN management and/or hurt Doki to make it public?
And why wait until 18 and 3 months respectively after two of the livers in the conversation have graduated before leaking it?

>>103469354
>AI will win.
not if they´re owned by the most retarded smart people around
vedal is already running Neuro´s career to the ground with laziness and troons everywhere
Grok is just another gimmick that produces nothing of value, just like all the other LLMs

You know, I realized we never found out who leaked the Aster and Scarle convo that made them do a guerilla damage collab
Luca's hag said it wasn't her. I wonder if it was another liver.

>>103468989 (OP)
Leak something spicier Reimu, like Elira acting like an evil clique leader, or the couple that broke up badly from Raziel's docs

>>103469621
Rosemi is graduating, she has nothing to lose. Time to punch another hole in the ship.

>>103469461
>a lot of livers want Selen terminated or to apologize
This lines up with Selen's coffee discord message of saying that a lot of them want her fired lol >>103469127

I don't think Selen is a bitch as this sister >>103469613 neglects the context of how Selen thought she could go ahead with having people in the video since it was a positive for the branch. Instead it was clear mismanagement in the end where they enforced some retarded arbitrary rule and now everyone wants to gang up against her.

>>103469699
No this shit has been leaked here months ago. Fuck off trying to blame the wose the last time this popped up.no traction happened.

>>103469686
>Luca's hag said it wasn't her.
It's been a good while, but wasn't the situation that Scarle gave those screenshots to Luca for advice, and then Luca passed them on to his then-hag for either further advice or to discuss drama?

>IT'S SHOPPED / INSPECT ELEMENT
>[x] WOULD NEVER SAY THIS
sisters, you need to find some new ways to cope. this is just pathetic.

>>103469468
>This has to be fan fiction because it's just so over the top mean girls clique behavior. Was this made by a pro doki person??
I don't think so. From what was going on at the time, I think it's pretty damn believable.

>>103469614
she used chatgpt

>>103469764
>he thinks Rosemi can't have been responsible multiple times

>>103469354
Now draw them kissing

>>103468989 (OP)
Wait a minute, I want to go over some Kyo said
>The main reason it got taken down was is managements rules about getting permission prior
>I wasn't asked until after it got taken down

So Management didn't try and get permissions until the absolute last second? That project was animated, it would of taken months of time to animate, maybe over a year. In all that time, what the fuck was management doing? They couldn't ask all the livers for permissions before the absolute last fucking second? They didn't even fucking try. No wonder everyone bitches about management.

You'll need to show Selen actually committing some wrongdoing to sway anyones opinion. All this shows is that others wanted Selen terminated.

>>103469846
>So Management didn't try and get permissions until the absolute last second?
Always has been. This issue was rotten from the very start.
>poor project management
Always has been. And so their ship burning to the ground was well-deserved

>>103468989 (OP)
What a bunch of fucking snakes. Poor doki. At least she's free from that hellhole now.

>>103469614
Speaking and writing differ significantly, as writing gives you the opportunity to organize your thoughts clearly.

>>103469826
https://files.catbox.moe/a51uks.jpeg

>>103469766
That was what everyone concluded based on the info but Raziel denied it I think, probably because the screenshots were first posted directly on 4chan instead of in the Google doc

Why is Vox suggesting management actions on Selen? That's very interesting. You don't suggest specific punishments unless you were in a supervisory position. This might explain his appearance in the black stream lol

>>103469926
Fucking based

>>103469354
god ani is so hot, you niggas have no idea. Her JOI potential is CRAAAZZYY good

>>103469926
This is not what I requested. But it's better.

>>103468989 (OP)
Leak more about the black stream Reimu

As fun as this rrat is, and as believable as it is with some livers going out of their way to say "this stream is very important, pls watch it" when the Black screen stream went live, I really dont think that Kotoka can communicate that well in English. Plus it also raises questions about why these leaks are just randomly posted here without context. Unless there's more proof, it just seems fake.

>>103469846
>So Management didn't try and get permissions until the absolute last second?
It sounds more like management was completely unaware some permissions were even needed until the last second.

>That project was animated, it would have taken months of time to animate, maybe over a year. In all that time, what the fuck was management doing?
My guess? Nothing. We know Selen always has had issues with management, it’s possible she just didn’t think they needed to be involved until they were actually needed.

>>103468989 (OP)
no shot this is real no?

>>103469969
well this shit looks photoshopped

>>103469926
Evil in the cuck chair

>Midsemi graduation announcement
>this shit suddenly magically appears
Bullshit. All of this reads like a load of desperation from the team that lost to try and rewrite history.

>>103469731
Not to mention all the other times livers have talked about having to fight management to get anything done, ever. It's very likely Selen had been trying to get this MV approved and finished for months and was at the end of her rope, rather than her just randomly dumping it on her poor poor mane-san who needs to go take his Christmas vacation rather than do his damn job and let someone publish a god damn Christmas MV on the actual date of Christmas.
Also what lie are they supposed to be alluding to here? Selen saying livers aren't comfortable being in the MV? That just sounds like some sort of awkward wording or miscommunication. Like management hadn't properly explained to her that the problem was with graduated livers so she just assumed, or that she knew what the problem was but poorly explained it without meaning to deceive.

>>103469969
now this is actually real

>>103469947
He's not necessarily in a supervisory position but having sway as one of the premier NijiEN male talents means he can apply soft power pressure with implied actions he could take.

>>103469990
>I really dont think that Kotoka can communicate that well in English
Why would you say that?

>>103469947
I thought there was an "or" in there the first time I read that. Its even crazier than I thought. He wanted a suspension, forced apology, then a firing. That's just extra spiteful. If you're going to terminate her anyway what's the point of the suspension and public apology other than to break her?

>>103469969
I choose to believe this is real and will not be convinced otherwise. Thank you.

>>103469168
Even if it's real it doesn't prove anything other than that Doki was being honest when she said there was internal bullying.
There's nothing fucking new here. We already know the argument against here music video was "muh perms"
This is just being posted cuz some retarded nijifag is going on his daily seethe about doki destroying this shitty branch

>>103469990
See this anon's explanation as it makes sense >>103469925
Writing is much easier and taught a lot more in non-English countries than speaking. It's a very well-known fact that a lot of ESLs know how to write generally better than speaking.
>t. Former ESL teacher

>>103469969
Parrot. Big news. Get here quickly before it's gone.

>>103469444
>kyo writing line by line with no punctuation in exactly the same way he speaks
>Alban having a gigantic block of emotional shit with no paragraph separation whatsoever.
>Kotoka being organized and trying to wrap things up but also using a fuckton of shorthand like mgmt and ppl
>Vox with his signature vocabulary and ridiculously over the top wording, as well as proper english punctuation

On top of that, not a single one is out of character.
I'd say it's plausible.

>>103469926
now draw Neuro doing the same thing to Stella

>>103468989 (OP)
So, if the screenshot is true, isn't it management's fault for not asking the liver's permission for the MV? As far as I saw, Selen communicated and gave management the MV before Xmas?

>>103470025
your explanation is way too fucking specific, anon, be careful LOL. I can agree with your LARP explanation though

>>103470084
>Vox with his signature vocabulary and ridiculously over the top wording, as well as proper english punctuation
Don’t forget about his excitement to play “lawyer” during the black stream.

>>103470039
>what's the point of the suspension and public apology other than to break her?
he clearly wanted to punish her, harshly. It lines up especially with his manipulative ASMR voice in the black stream

>>103470030
yeah that makes sense, I can see that. Still kind of shitty for him to apply soft power pressure on managerial actions. It just puts him in a position of power, even if he isn't in such a designated role.

>>103469461
didn't people used to say he was one of the good ones and wasn't he supposed to be on a long hiatus at this time

>>103470084
>not a single one is out of character
Ver and Kyo speaking for all of xsoleil and Iluna is in character? Same with Kyo chiming and speaking in slang while talking to management. The manager being on fucking discord instead of slack too. This is clearly made up and the retard who made it is just a bored dramafag

Rosemi was right to get out of that shithole.

>>103470039
>anyway what's the point of the suspension and public apology other than to break her?
It absolutely wouldn't have been the first time.
She's been forced to make several public apologies throughout her time there, even when shit wasn't her fault.

>>103470043
>There's nothing fucking new here
I think someone leaking is sick of the sister cope and decided to leak more about it lol. I do agree with your assessment because everyone knows how stupid the whole situation was with muh perms and how evil kurosanji is

>>103470153
Nah. That is 100% how Kyo is. Even now, Quinn overvalues his importance and significance.

>>103470043
I don't think the point here was to make Doki look bad.
If anything, it's to show how bad the actual livers were.

>>103468989 (OP)
So... was leaking this supposed to make the organs look better? Because it doesn't.
>>103469127
I see only factual statements.

>>103470054
Pretty sure kotoka talked about and had a video on her pretty much acing the TOEIC.

@grok can you make a fake document about nijien that only a retard would believe was written by 3 separate humans.

Thanks grok you are the best.

>>103470039
I guess he thought the apology would hurt her reputation enough that people would think she deserved the termination. Not sure it would've worked out that way, but I guess it might've played well with the chinese fujos? Face culture and all that.

>>103470153
seethe sis

Thanks for leaking this. Now I hate even more people who otherwise weren't implicated in the blackstream

>>103470179
>even when shit wasn't her fault
Damn, I didn't know someone hacked into her account, uploaded the video without perms and forced her to shit talk management then tell people to reupload her cover

>>103470093
If this fake ass shit is somehow real, it wouldn't confirm anything new. Selen submitted for music perms a year in advance. The animation took a long time to complete. NijiEN management, according to literally everyone who has left, are (or were) completely tuned out. Doing who knows what (probably crypto shit) and letting the ship steer itself via Elira.

>>103469947
What a smarmy little cretin. Publicly humiliation and expulsion for a video released early. The way he acted during the black stream, chuckling and acting offended, pretending to be some legal aficionado reading papers meant for actual lawyers. Sickening.

>>103469764
What, the OP image? Where the heck was this posted?

>>103470054
That's definitely interesting to think about. But I don't know, only Vox seems to be in character in these chats. And it still raises questions why this person would just randomly drop purported NijiEN chatlogs well over a year after the Selen drama.

>>103470179
Genuine question. Why does it seem like Selen was the only one who had issues with management? Like, do none of the other organs have problems like hers?

gotta love the return of sister seethe
did da wose really leak this?
she was holding onto it the whole time?

>>103470276
/NijiEN/ while being raided

>>103470153
holy reading comprehension reps and lack of work experience.
It is very possible they have their own group chats and someone is speaking on behalf of a group due to the seriousness of the @everyone message and drama, wanting input.
>Kyo speaking in slang
We're talking about Nijisanji, unprofessional hacks
>The manager being on fucking discord instead of slack too.
You're just a tourist at this point if you don't know that they work through discord
>This is clearly made up and the retard who made it is just a bored dramafag
and you're an annoying tourist or clearly trying to deflect from the leaks here.

I liked Reimu but she's being pretty cunty over this

>>103470263
It wouldn't confirm anything new, but it'd give a much, much clearer look into their mindset around the time that would lead to the black stream.

>>103470263
The question then, I suppose, is why multiple other livers who have presumably been similarly jerked around, are seemingly jumping to blame Selen for the entire problem. Just trying to save face in front of the management they share the server with? Brainwashed? Or despite seeming to fit into the timeline the image is a fake designed to push a narrative (poorly).

>>103468989 (OP)
Would Twisty still have access to these conversations when she only recently joined nijien post-Selen?
This points to Reimu as the most likely leaker. If I were to guess why, probably to get into doki's good graces before she graduates. She's even notoriously /here/

>>103470315
when? I don't remember anything like it having been posted before.

>>103470301
Genuine answer. About 20 others have already left due to
>Nijisanji management

>>103470179
Oh yeah I forgot about those, I agree that I can see Management forcing Selen to publicly apologize with influence from the others lol. I don't doubt this constant input from management by the group made her feel like she was getting bullied.
Imagine your coworkers determining how you get punished. That just sounds shitty to me.

>>103470319
>they have their own group chats
They all have separate group chats with a singular manager despite all waves having their own manager? Why is Kotoka even here? She was on hiatus until 3 months before she graduated
>Confirms he has never watched Kyo
Uh oh, dramafag melty
>They work through discord
This is just embarrassing
>More seething
Desperate today, are we?

>>103470205
>If anything, it's to show how bad the actual livers were.
NTA I agree, if you actually pay attention and read the messages. The livers look bad, and if this is real, we get confirmation of the very bad power dynamics that happens there

>>103469990
Her post is wrought with grammatical weirdness.

I mean just look at how subtarded Kyo's post reads compared to everyone else's that's either legit or massive attention to detail. Dude types like he has a freezing temperature IQ.

Someone in NijiEN is leaking discord messages, but only the ones that make Selen look bad. It's probably Reimu.
If I was to guess there will be a big "coup de grace" coming up

>>103470301
It wasn't just Selen. Some other female talents beyond Pomu would break down in tears in member streams over their frustrations with management. They just probably said nothing because they saw no way out.

>>103470213
if someone can link that, then it makes the image stronger

>>103470429
OP, stop trying to defend your bad attempt at LARP. It's obviously a shit attempt

>>103470431
None of these make Doki look bad so I'm guessing the leaker is unaware they're a cunt.

>>103470346
>jumping to blame Selen for the entire problem.
Collective punishment. If one liver fucked up, every liver got punished. Seems like Selen angered management more often than the others, so naturally they’d turn against her.

>>103470409
>all waves having their own manager?
Nah that's not how it works, managers are shared randomly across waves.

>>103470301
She wasn't the only one. She was the most vocal one and was one of the two people in the branch actually trying to do projects. As such, she was getting on their nerves more than others who don't need them to do their jobs.

>>103470431
If their goal is to make Doki look bad, clearly it is not having as decisive an effect as they likely hoped.

>>103468989 (OP)
On one hand, this does feel like how they all type. On the other hand >>103469073 makes some good points.
I suspect these messages are genuine but doctored to avoid it being obvious who the leaker is.

I don't think it really moves the needle at all on Selen or Vox and the shit heads. If its real the only thing it does is move Alban over into the bad guy group, since I'm pretty sure most people thought he was still okay after everything. Does he have any obvious antis that would care enough to make this?

>>103470466
>nijicoping

>>103470383
>Would Twisty still have access to these conversations when she only recently joined nijien post-Selen?
If this conversation was in the nijien discord, yeah, it'd be archived and there for her to read.

>>103470466
>he does it for free

>>103470466
>"thinking these "leaked" messages are real"

>>103470301
Others had issues with management, that's why so many quit. Selen had the most obvious ones because she never thinks things through and rushes through projects to her detriment all the time. Shit still happens to Doki today. Doesn't mean she deserved the massive blowback she got from her coworkers though.

>no one else had problems with management
>graduates because of problems with management

>>103470466
Nijicuck...

>>103470509
It's known that they switch discords every couple of waves so the possibility that Twisty and the rest of Denauth being locked out of the discord that had discussions of Selen's termination is possible.

>>103470460
It's listed on her wiki page and it's even more than that she passed Eiken Grade 1 which is the highest form of english proficiency test in japan.
https://wikiwiki.jp/nijisanji/Kotoka%20Torahime

>>103470517
You'd better hope they're fake, sis.

>>103470002
No, it wasn't incompetence or laziness; management was being spiteful to her for no good reason. Remember that time when she asked for perms to host a cross-branch Fall Guys tournament, and management not only told her no, they also permanently revoked her tournament-hosting perms?
>but her Apex tournament
was sanctioned by EA themselves. Niji was not gonna hamstring their own business relationship with a multi-billion-dollar behemoth just to hurt Selen

The reason why management didn't know that perms were needed until the last second was not because they were unaware that perms were needed, it was because they hadn't yet decided on what perms she would need but could never get. That's why they decided that she would need to get perms from graduated livers in order to be allowed to use their likenesses, despite the fact that (A) Anycolor owns the IP rights to those livers' likenesses, and (B) the rule requiring graduated livers' permission had never been enforced before or since.

>>103470263
Completely agree with this take. Those who are actually in the know saw how fucked this project timeline was and lack of management doing jackshit.

>>103470299
>only Vox seems to be in character in these chats.
Well I don't follow these people enough but we can all logically deduce that an online entertainer persona may not always align with behind-the-scenes persona. This is well-documented with vtubers and entertainers in general.
>And it still raises questions why this person would just randomly drop purported NijiEN chatlogs well over a year after the Selen drama.
All I can think to myself is that this is like VShojo where the NDAs just completely expired or someone just doesn't care anymore. Someone wanted to leak to give more to the public, for what? Who knows which is what makes this site stupidly entertaining when real leaks happen

>>103470473
That's retarded. The problem there is still with management for having such retarded management methods. Though I guess that would effectively work as brainwashing- break everyone until they turn on each other rather than addressing the real problem.

>>103469447
Wow, Selen is a bitch. Typical cry bully shit

>>103470383
>If I were to guess why, probably to get into doki's good graces before she graduates.
Yeah I believe this take a lot. Someone wants to give good grace points to Doki or somebody in the indie sphere.

>>103470301
Didn't da Wose just quit because of management?

>>103470541
>she never thinks things through and rushes through projects
I work with a guy like that. He’s a cunt.

>>103470579
>Knows Selen lied about not being able to host tournaments but copes anyways
Holy kek

>>103470605
don't use expressions you don't understand

>>103470494
I don't think the messages being slightly different than how they talk/type publicly is grounds for dismissal. Remember the Twisty discord leaks, that were dismissed by some because Twisty was known to type in a more professional manner off-stream and on Discord... well, now that's all been pretty much confirmed to be her. People "code switch".

>>103470543
Stop noticing things. You're fucking up the NDF's counter narrative.

>>103470554
I know they are.

>>103470431
You've got it backwards. Reimu is trying to get on doki's good side before her return as an indie.

>long post doesn't sound like how they talk so it's fake!!!
retarded

>>103470549
You can see some of them quoting a user named "Kazuki (NIJISANJI EN)". That's probably a manager, so I suspect this is the main offical discord unless they started inviting management to their side hangouts.

>OP:"What? These aren't fake, these people talk like this all the time"
>OP now: "They don't talk like this because they're acting on stream. So these leaks are real"

>>103470585
It is, but it's also common for jap corpos.

>>103470409
>They all have separate group chats with a singular manager despite all waves having their own manager?
Aren't you just contradicting yourself? Iluna and all of those are waves / groups. They likely have their own group chats with a manager or just with their own peoples. Kotoka can still have discord on her phone or computer...? You sound like someone who wants to bury this from the public eye than wanting to engage in a proper conversation.

>deflection deflection seething
Are you angry that this is leaking or something or just don't get it? Go back.

There could be so much juicer screenshots. If it's real I'm disappointed, and if it's fake I'm also disappointed.

>>103470383
Reimu also has the added motive of fucking over the rest of the people in the screenshot (namely Vox)

>>103470466
Someone in Niji is really mad to activate the sisters cope and deflections

>>103470679
Oh no, it's Rosemi

Even if this is real (and I doubt it is) what's the point of leaking it? Doki has moved on and people who (correctly) hate Niji will still hate it and people who mindlessly defend it will still defend it. This changes nothing

>>103470509
Look at the Discord screenshot in OP again. Note the date line, and how all of the messages above the line say "yesterday" and the messages below the line say "today"
If the screenshot is genuine (big "IF"), then it couldn't have been Twisty who took it

>>103470301
Zaion, Yugo were both terminated after battles with management. So were Kotoka and Ike, although it was hushed up.
Pomu graduated after battles with management. Reimu and Fulgur are both leaving after they found rules in NijiEN too inflexible.

>>103470466
Reimu...

>>103470582
If they were leaks that expired then that would leave a lot of people. But it still doesn't make sense why their grand plan is to just leak these screencaps on /vt/ out of the blue instead of making it one megathread of all these conversations.

>>103470717
>They likely have their own group chats with a manager or just with their own peoples
Retard, why the fuck would this many people have a group chat on discord with one manager? Why would Kotoka be responding to work DMs on hiatus? And why the fuck would management be asking members on how to punish Selen? This is some strong fanfiction
>ESL babble
I accept your concession

>>103470543
If this was Rosemi way for her to burn the place down as she leaves, based. This feels more like Reimu trying to get close to Doki which is kind of shitty since it shows she's more of a toxic bitch that no one should get close to instead.

>>103470737
on some level the fact they're kind of mundane and not the juiciest shit humanly possible makes them look more real lmao

>>103469447
This honestly sounds like the kind of thing Selen would do thinking it’s funny and she’s playing into her jokester bully persona, not realizing that in this context she’s acting like an actual cunt.

>>103470780
Reimu is aligning herself with doki. Massively hypocritical of her after making fun of her suicide attempt and gagging at her name in a chilla game

>>103470551
based anon, yeah this is starting to become more believable

>>103470824
>Retard, why the fuck would this many people have a group chat on discord with one manager? Why would Kotoka be responding to work DMs on hiatus? And why the fuck would management be asking members on how to punish Selen? This is some strong fanfiction
She wasn't on hiatus in Jan

>>103470860
Yeah I can 100% see her saying that but with no malice whatsoever

>>103470494
Counterpoints
>kotoka verbose
That looks like something she copy pasted from a translation program and then fixed up the wording herself. I don't think she directly typed that into discord line by line.
>highlighted
The @everyone is highlighted though. And anyway it could be that this person got these logs from discord export or some service

>>103470781
>yesterday
Oh shit you're right. Then this is definitely coming from Reimu

>>103470873
Assuming it's true, it's the most retarded thing you could do because Doki had moved on and doesn't want to be reminded of the time where she was her most miserable

>>103470824
>why the fuck would management be asking members on how to punish Selen
You think NijiEN has good management who makes rational decisions?

>>103470918
Yeah, Reimu's definitely the kind of person to keep logs like this just in case

>>103470620
Da Wose... a pretty flower with thorns...

>>103469447
so basically they're all playing kick the autistic except the autistic was the hulk hogan of their shitty company

>>103470965
>It's stupid because they're stupid
OP is projecting his retardation onto other people

>>103468989 (OP)
Unless someone can present a convincing case otherwise this seems fake to me for one simple reason: Everyone's name is white. Look at a definitely real Discord leak for comparison. Typically the only reasons for anyone to have a white name in Discord are:
-The server has no roles. No one, and I mean NO ONE is stupid enough to do this. Not even Nijisanji
-The role(s) were made white intentionally. Weird, but possible. Or it would be if we didn't have evidence to the contrary
-The people in the pic have left the Discord server. Depending on when this screenshot was taken it could explain Kyo and Kotoka, but not the others.
>>103469127
Note that in this image Selen has a purple name too.

Why would you think it's Reimu trying to get close to Doki when in reality she just fucking hates Vox.

>>103470989
Sis we KNOW they hire high school students and pay them minimum wage.
They likely have no real experience with this shit.

Regardless, Vox is sounding more like a "What I'd do in this situation" than "Managment will perform these actions."

>>103470799
>But it still doesn't make sense why their grand plan is to just leak these screencaps on /vt/ out of the blue
Some people want to subtly leak about it. This ain't the first time where they try to slip it to the public under the radar. Making a huge megathread draws a lot of attention on the original poster.

>>103468989 (OP)
I think everyone in this image should die

>>103470990
NijiEN is known to have multiple discords.
There's the main discord, which has the managers, Elira's discord, which has only the talents and apparently no managers, and Selen's thing was from her own project discord which the others wouldn't have access to.

>>103471028
>we KNOW they hire high school students and pay them minimum wage
Enough about Hololive though

>>103471023
Based spicy latina wife

>>103470579
>they also permanently revoked her tournament-hosting perms?
They told her she can’t do international events/tournaments anymore.

>Anycolor owns the IP rights to those livers' likenesses
Yes, but just because you work for Nintendo, doesn’t mean you can use Mario and Luigi in whatever way you see fit. You still need permission to do so. Get what I’m saying?

>the rule requiring graduated livers' permission had never been enforced before or since.
That we know of. This rule very well could have always existed, but this was the first time it was ever a problem.

>>103470781
Hmmmm
Who would have the motivation to take these screenshots? Especially at that time before anything happened....
There can only be 1 answer: selen. Either selen, or her friend who got access to this server somehow.
She is the only one with the motivation to screenshot this as "evidence" and then hold it so long.

>>103470859
NTA I agree, this is so mundane and office politicky

>>103471069
Even it was a secret 'no selen allowed' discord they would at least set up roles

>>103471069
There is no official discord, retard. There's only the server Elira made

>>103471096
>Who would have the motivation to take these screenshots? Especially at that time before anything happened....
Reimu has a lot of history with drama and likely smelled blood in the water.
>>103471096
They're literally talking as if Selen wasn't able to read their messages. Otherwise they'd be @ing Selen instead of telling the managers "when you next see her."

>>103471096
are you retarded? why would they be talking about selen if she were still in the server?

>>103471143
>They're literally talking as if Selen wasn't able to read their messages
Selen was already suspended at this point so she probably had access revoked.

Agent Reimu "an attempt" is now switching sides.

>>103471143
Yeah but management is completely incompetent, remember after terminating selen her mods revolted and turned her chat into a nijisanji hate crusade for like 3 days. Because they're incompetent, they don't know what they're doing. I wouldn't be surprised if selen had access to the server, or a mole on the inside

>>103471096
nah it's Reimu jumpstarting her new career as a dramafag

>>103471069
Even then roles are basically mandatory for anything but a 10 year old setting up a server to chat with friends afterschool. And setting those roles to white would be strange, even if it is technically possible. Especially since the first message looks like it's @'ing a manager? If it is then it'd be even more strange. Maybe you want all talent to be one color, sure, but doing the same for management is definitely strange.

>Anons forget elira specifically didn't include selen in her niji discord
>selen only found out about it after someone else asked her about something posted there
>even after finding out, she was never added to the server

>>103471200
Their discords are personal accounts, dumbass. They don't have a work discord

>>103471248
kek you’re a fucking retard. Niji retains control over their accounts.

>>103470990
DMs have white names

>>103471126
It was the official one most likely since managers were involved. The one from the ALL OUT WAR leak is Elira's discord, not the main one.
>>103471132
https://files.catbox.moe/m6awv7.mp4
"They actually have another discord server where they interacted in like VC and stuff. I haven't joined because I'm very shy.... I wanted to wait until they joined the actual actual discord. Because of that, I haven't interacted with the newest wave at all."

Selen had already been either removed from the discord by then or had her account frozen

>>103471225
Wasn't the official niji reddit basically used for niji hate posting for a few months because management forgot the passwords?

>>103469748
Reimu cancelled her stream the same time that the discord message leaked. Trying to subtly hint that it was her

>>103471200
Implying she didn't have alts, or friends on the inside? I've done discord intrugie games before, there's a lot of tricks you can play.

Like if selen generated herself an invite link and passed it to an alt account, then she joined on her alt after being blocked.

>>103471301
>because management forgot the passwords?
hold on, what is this rrat?

>>103471248
Doki mentioned several times that the accounts were made for them and used Nijisanji e-mails.
It's also why Doki couldn't swap her Fortnite creator code over-She couldn't access her nijisanji e-mail to verify it.

>>103471282
Hadn't considered that because it seems kinda dumb to have serious lengthy conversations there that also involve management, but I suppose that
's also possible. Every steramer I've seen use group chats just uses it for like one-off collab planning though, not something important. To the point where some are in dozens of abandoned chats lol.

>>103471240
It's probably a group dm

Why would Reimu hate Vox? They seemed so close once upon a time. Was the sex that bad?

>>103471095
>Yes, but just because you work for Nintendo, doesn’t mean you can use Mario and Luigi in whatever way you see fit. You still need permission to do so. Get what I’m saying?
This is on a much different level than than using Mario and Luigi. More like using some characters from a dead franchise like F-Zero.

Rosemi would never leak something so casually
If she really wanted to leak something, there would be a lot more effort into it and a lot more damage caused

>>103469748
>>103471307
https://x.com/ReimuEndou/status/1955745339157438573#m
lol what is this timing, if she didn't actually leak it. Somebody timed it to fuck with her directly. However, I can definitely see her leaking it, she did it to Twisty after all.

>>103471357
No, that wasn't a rrat. It happened. It was fucking hilarious.
>>103471126
Roles don't have colors by default. Chances are they just made the discord without giving a shit about aesthetics.
>>103471225
Doki has no reason to ever bring up Niji again. She's doing great right now, and it'd be pretty hard to get an alt or a mole in when the other members in that group are specifically the ones planning to ruin her career.

Okay let's pretend this is real and let's pretend Reimu leaked it.
Why?
She seems even less trustworthy now and people on both sides are going to hate her now

>>103471315
Why the fuck would she do that? Even if she had an invite link, people would wonder who the fuck this random new account was.

>>103471433
if she wanted to leak something she'd be leaking pee

>>103471292
That still doesn't that there is an official Nijisanji discord server the company made. There was a discord that was made so people could talk to the new wave and that's it

>>103471360
Streaming games is work. Enna accidentally leaked her discord multiple times and revealed she was in multiple other servers completely unrelated to Niji. Their discords are personal accounts and they change their name plus image in the actual server

>>103471478
>It happened. It was fucking hilarious.
If you got a source, please provide. Otherwise, I would enjoy the idea of how they forgot the password and that's super funny.

>>103471433
>If she really wanted to leak something, there would be a lot more effort into it and a lot more damage caused
Rosemi is a bonafide retard (affectionately). Girl didn’t even know how to use a can opener when she debuted and some how broke like 3 of them trying to learn.

>>103471488
Nah. If Reimu is dropping this then my opinion on her will shift to the positive.

>>103471494
but she leaks pee every day

>>103471497
>There was a discord that was made so people could talk to the new wave and that's it
The fuck is this cope
Selen was not in Elira's discord. If Elira's discord was the only discord for Nijisanji EN, then what is the "actual actual" discord she was talking about?
And why the fuck would they let a talent make the official discord? If something happens and they're not the server owners, shit could go south fast.
>>103471497
They're company owned accounts that they used like private accounts. Selen mentioned specifically that she didn't like having multiple accounts and just used the selen account for everything.

Constant posting in a thread to get a thread to bump limit and off the catalog is a classic tactic. It’s an attempt to ensure as little people see it as possible.
As you can see they’re doing it now.
OP needs to post this thread again once it dies.

>>103468989 (OP)
idk why you guys are listening to a faggot's take on this.
He is the most sister sister.

>>103471497
>revealed she was in multiple other servers completely unrelated to Niji
Is still owned and created by Niji, dude. Just because the liver can use it as a personal account doesn’t mean anything when Niji still controls the associated email.

>>103471560
remember to take your meds

>>103471560
>OP needs to post this thread again once it dies.
Amen, this is a lot of good food. More people need to see.

Reimu doesn't benefit from any of this. She's better waiting until after graduation to spill the tea. She'll gain a big drama buff for her next persona

>>103471526
I wouldn't even know where to start. I guess just look for "nijisanji subreddit" in the archives. It lasted a few months and became an entirely anti-nijisanji thing until they finally remembered the passwords and locked it down completely so that ONLY they could post in it.

>>103471433
Rosemi was also streaming during the time it was leaked. You can just check her onstream reaction during the same time

>>103471594
who benefits from this?

>>103471586
>sister sister

>>103471609
Arguably Reimu if it comes out she's "one of the good ones" because her reputation is pretty trash right now.
This could be seen as an olive branch.

>>103468989 (OP)
>she's claiming livers want her graduating! it's not true, she's throwing us under the bus!!!
>she's awful and needs to go! management, fire her!!!

>>103471601
>hey bro can you post this image on fourchanneldotorg at 5:69pm please

>>103471548
>If Elira's discord was the only discord for Nijisanji EN, then what is the "actual actual" discord she was talking about?
The one where Elira made, you retard. Xsoleil had their own before debut
>>103471588

>They're company owned accounts that they used like private accounts
If their discord are company accounts, Enna wouldn't be joining public servers using them. The terminology literally everyone uses is "leaving the NijiEN discord", not losing access to their discord account.

>>103471594
Reimu is not exactly the most rational thinker. Remember how she sabotaged Vox on purpose during his porn asmr stream. She probably thought that she'd get a drama buff even before she graduates by making it obvious that she's the one leaking

>>103471599
OH I remember that saga, that was so long ago, holy fuck

>>103471548
>why the fuck would they let a talent make the official discord?
They're an incompetent and shitty organization. The purpose of Elira's server is to do the 'real management' where they organize and plan things under the table from their incompetent managers. The clique members all have special admin roles and everyone else is "kohai"

>>103471682
possible but rosemi's not that cunning either

>>103471668
To be fair, these messages happened a week after Selen said everyone wanted her fired.

>>103471686
>The one where Elira made, you retard. Xsoleil had their own before debut
Except Selen wasn't in Elira's discord because she was shy.
So again, do you have proof of Elira's being "the only" discord? Because the idea of Elira being the server owner of a company discord is fucking retarded, even for Niji.

>>103471488
>Depending on the nature of the character, he may be an overly optimistic fool or someone who might actually be able to pull it off. If the character is badass enough, the heroes might be forced to try to stop him from toppling the original villain. Sometimes the Starscream may try to ally with the heroes against his master in an Enemy Mine ploy; whether they accept his offer typically depends on who they see as the better alternative, if any, and what the downstream consequences will be. Usually fond of playing Commander Contrarian to their boss' schemes (deservedly or not), who will normally Neck Lift them into kowtowing to their will. It can be hard to justify why the Big Bad keeps them around and doesn't Shoot the Dangerous Minion, but it may be so the Big Bad has a reason to always keep his guard up (and thus can rest assured that he will never become too complacent). Or perhaps the Starscream is simply a powerful asset whenever he actually obeys the main villain, so it's worth keeping him around despite the risk of betrayal.

>In some cases, the Starscream may actually start the series as a staunchly loyal supporter of the Big Bad. Unfortunately, when the boss turns out to be an inept General Failure who's more interested in juggling the Villain Ball than actually succeeding, the Starscream becomes fed up with the boss's idiocy and decides that the villainous organization would be more successful with him in charge. A former Big Bad who has been Demoted to Dragon by a new, bigger and badder villain is very likely to become the Starscream as well, biding his time while plotting against the new Big Bad in order to reclaim his former seat of power.

>>103468989 (OP)
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>>103471705
There is no fucking official discord, you retard. Do you think management sets up collabs for them and decides whether they communicate through discord or the game chat? Managers communicate through slack, the members are free to communicate however they want to each other. They even have discords with people from other corpos

>>103470025
I love you Doki, please sit your fat ass on my face.

>>103471757
>Because the idea of Elira being the server owner of a company discord is fucking retarded
Why not? She is a manager

>>103471777
You did not just compare Reimu to Doki's second favorite character

>>103471728
keep thinking that

>>103470851
If, and big IF these conversations out of context are legit, I don’t think Rosemi would have leaked it on /nijiEN/. She was streaming an hour and an half in when it was posted, and from what we know of her she isn’t that catty or spiteful. It’d believable to imagine it came from a Reimu or a menhera like Twisty.

>>103471757
>Except Selen wasn't in Elira's discord because she was shy.
That was not the first discord. That was a fucking xsoleil server. There is no company ran discord, that's fucking retarded. I bet that you think if two co-workers hangout outside of work then it's company organized too

The Selenpocalypse was probably the most important shitfest in EN v-tubing, probably shaped the sphere forever and to see it still have consequences is one of the most fascinating things ever.

>>103471780
>slack
>discord
Two words for the same thing. A group chat.
There is an official discord with the managers but it's pretty much a ghost town with only some official postings every other day.

>>103471840
>That was a fucking xsoleil server.
So do you have proof of this? I have NEVER heard anyone say anything about that "xsoleil server"

>>103471686
Think about it like this, Anon. I have a company owned email account. Meaning I have no “official” ownership of that email. The company can revoke access to said email whenever they want to. However, I still used that email to create accounts on non-company sites and use that email to talk to people who are not associated with the company.

>>103471749
you're not wrong but vox's phrasing makes him sound like a Stacey who was trying to get Selen terminated for awhile

>>103471096
Selen had been suspended from all of her Niji accounts before "she" tweeted that she was in the hospital. Niji themselves admitted to this in her termination notice.\
She wasn't the one who took/made the screenshot. If it's genuine, and if it was taken and leaked by one of the other livers, then we can also rule out Yugo, Zaion, Nina, Mysta, and everyone from Denauth and BTB as the potential leakers.

>>103470910
I can pretty much hear her awkward laughter after the "ah yeah, I'm making more than you then ;P HAHA"

>>103468989 (OP)
If real then lmao, if fake you should've used literally anyone except Kotoka for this because it makes the least sense out of any of them, either way I fucking hate Vox Akuma

>>103471869
You can likely rule it out being in the official server, too. Definitely a group chat.
If it was still in the official server and Pomu saw it, then there'd likely be a LOT of words.

>>103471869
Selen is paranoid and collecting information for her lawsuit. She anticipated this happening and had proxy accounts ready

>>103471854
>and to see it still have consequences is one of the most fascinating things ever
even the Vshojo implosion lasted less than week. That was huge but NijiEN implosion was so long and bad and so fast, it's eventful

>>103469257
Sisters will never be anons.

>>103471864
Vox fancies himself an 18th century barrister. Par for the course for him desu

>>103471920
>Selen is paranoid
She's paranoid specifically about appearing in public.
She was likely blindsided by finding out they hated her for rocking the boat.

>>103471854
Pic related needs to be studied. It goes beyond vtubing, it is literally the worst thing you can do at the worst possible time. It is still amazing that management and the people involved thought this was a good idea.

>>103471858
>There is an official discord with the managers
Proof?
>>103471860
>Selen: They had another discord where the other members interacted with them a lot
>>103471862
I see you're ignoring the part where literally nobody has said they lost access to their company discord but have said that they left the NijiEN discord. Or the lack of logic behind joining public servers unrelated to work with your very public work account

>>103469407
Have you seen this board? Men also love high school drama.

>>103471947
Remember the "nijisanji family" was referring to the clique.

>>103471966
>>Selen: They had another discord where the other members interacted with them a lot
Yes.
Elira's discord. The discord everyone always specifically says is Elira's. The one with the "Reimu NSFW channel."

>>103471975
It's the only part I liked of Life is Strange desu

>>103471966
>nobody has said they lost access to their company discord but have said that they left the NijiEN discord
Semantics. They’re the fucking same thing.

>>103471966
>I see you're ignoring the part where literally nobody has said they lost access to their company discord
The company discord is specifically linked to the company email, anon. The fuck are you talking about?

>>103469447
Scarle... I thought you were on our side...

>>103471920
>had proxy accounts ready
im pretty sure its more likely she had an insider friend rather then a proxy, it would be easy to spot an account that isnt linked to a single individual.
or is that what you meant?

>>103471991
The one Selen was excluded from, since Elira had been shunning her for 3 years at that point. How many times did they interact total over the course of their career? Like 3?

>>103471975
/vt/ and /pw/ are two sides of the same coin

>>103472042
I forgot that. That was savage ngl, and to think Elira acted all lovey dovey with Pomu.

>>103471951
In fact if OP pic is real, you can see that the black stream really was made by the most stupid people in earth, everything on how was Selen was made to take down the video, the entire gaslight, the black stream, the termination, everything was defining, what i think that made this shit even worst than the V-Shoujo End is that V-Shoujo was 1-Dimentional bad, but for Niji EN, there's people living under the mask for fucking years to pretend they're nice people, an entire corporation and talents are rotten to the core and somehow, people defend it.

>>103468989 (OP)
>throw under the bus
/hlgg/ posters, am I being paranoid?

While this is hot i'd also like to remind people of Enna's CP posts. Where she had more then questionable pictures of her and her kindergartners

>>103471991
"They" refers to xsoleil, you fucking retard. Learn to listen, ESLfag
>>103472009
Leaving a discord server and getting your discord account deleted are two different things, dumbass
>>103472016
>Makes shit up
>Someone points out you're making shit up
>Repeat the same made up thing again while seething
I accept your concession

>>103472042
This part I don't think we have enough info. It's entirely likely that Selen WAS actually too shy to hang out with everybody off stream and thus didn't want to join the group discord. She does have trauma regarding "friend groups" after all.

>>103471920
And how exactly is she supposed to access a private, whitelist server using an alt?

>>103472042
And yet they were kayfabe sisters, who booked this shit. Taker and Kane portrayed better siblings

>>103472101
what

>>103472112
>"They" refers to xsoleil, you fucking retard. Learn to listen, ESLfag
again, this seems like something that would've come up from any of the blabbermouth xsoleils. Has any other xsoleil EVER specifically talked about an xsoleil server?

>>103472177
They have, watch streams

>>103472101
I keep forgetting about fucked-up shit from this company and then being rudely reminded of it

>>103472221
I'm sure you can find one single example then, right?

>>103472177
Why would they? This entire thread has derailed into a shitfest of discord server arguments because clearly no one here knows for certain.

>>103472170
During an offcollab with millie and i forgot who else. Enna showed pictures of her old job as a child caretaker with children. Millie and other person where shocked and said " you can't ever show that, you would be canceled"

Reminder that NijiEN swept under the rug they had a sexual harasser as a talent and got away with it because everyone was watching Vshojo implode

>>103472261
I know but I won't tell you

>>103472286
Evil wins again. Thank god their general reputation is destroyed.

>>103471966
since no one wants to take the fucking time to look for it here it is, it's not that hard to find. here is an old leaked screenshot of the discord that elira owns, and this was before luxiem. if you look at the server list, there is the official nijien server. this was the server that selen mentioned she was not part of in said clip when xsoleil joined and interacted with the other members

>>103472320
>selen mentioned she was not part of
>shows Selen is a part of it
Based retard

but then who was leak?

>>103472170
From that one Ethyria off-collab. Enna showed some pictures she took to the other girls; Nina was extremely uncomfortable seeing those pics, and Millie warned her that those pics would get her cancelled.
As far as I know, Enna did not share those pics with anyone else, and none of the girls have publicly spoken of those photos since then. It's nigh-impossible to know what exactly those pictures had, or whether or not they were of the "she'll spend the rest of her life in prison for those pics" variety, but they were definitely "would have gotten her Niji and PL channels deleted if she had shown them on stream" pics at a minimum.

>>103472365
riku

>>103472362
Selen left the server a year or two in. Everyone knows this.

>>103472320
Before the corpo fell apart...

>>103472362
i said she was in the server but ultimately left later. this was the server she was mentioning in the clip.

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>>103472408
She left willingly? Why was she complaining everyone was in a server without her then?

>>103472408
>She left the server
So the story went from she was kicked out of the server to she was never in the server to she left the server. Of course, she never said this and no one else did but good on you for making things up when it's extremely clear that Xsoleil made their own server predebut

>>103469947
>Why is Vox suggesting management actions on Selen? That's very interesting.
Vox and Elira had too much too lose if NijiEN was to collapse so they sided with management and did everything they could to destroy Selen with a smear campaign. Absolutely evil but it makes sense if their only desire was money.

>>103470093
>So, if the screenshot is true, isn't it management's fault for not asking the liver's permission for the MV?
The root cause was that Nijisanji had incompetent management but several of their livers helped management with their smear campaign. Elira was getting most of the NijiEN merch deals so of course her loyalty was to the company but Vox could have stayed out of that fight. These discord messages show that Vox actually wanted Selen's termination and that he fully sided with management.

>>103470301
>Why does it seem like Selen was the only one who had issues with management?
Considering all the NijiEN graduations it feels like the work environment was always Hell behind the scenes but they were usually able to hide that from fans.

>>103472463
this actually just makes me feel sad for you… because, wow, this is pathetic

>>103472427
She said she didn't join the server because she was too shy. But she joined the server anyways and left afterwards? Very interesting terminology

>>103472387
That shit shook me man.
Because i really liked Enna for being one of the more "real" streamers and not catering to parasocial faggots in chat. Kinda reminded me of 39daph.
But after that I was like, Idk if i can forgive something on that level.

i hate Rice Shower

only real leak in this thread

>>103471096
It's probably Reimu.
Another fun thing is that only Millie follows Reimu's PL on her alt btw, Enna and Elira just totally ignore her

>>103472549
I want to smell Rice Showers feet after she once again fails to get 1st place

thank god this shitty bait thread is almost dead

>>103472549
Faggot

>>103472549
this but mihono bourbon

>>103472614
NIJISEETHE

>>103472465
She never complained about it.
>>103472475
She talked about it during Nina's graduation. She left after the tournament nonsense.

>>103472124
i feel like thats why she never pushed that hard to join even after learning it existed
>oh they didnt invite me to begin with, its probably better i dont join then
or something like that.
>>103472419
>>103472427
can you fags stop with devils proof shit, youre not going to get any red truths here.
just assume a backstabber who went around and asked for scarle testamony on her interactions with selen AND made the black screens stream is the type of person to make a private discord server without the people she dislikes
>>103472475
>>103472520
yeah i have no clue why anons changing the story, that multiple anons have agreed to have hear before.

>>103472641
So did she never join it because she was shy or did she join it but leave afterwards? You can't have both

>>103470019
Hi tranny!

>>103470301
Brother have you not seen the GRADUATION QUEUE???

>>103471907
her message actually seems the most authentic to me since it's good English overall but has a couple of slip-ups a Japanese ESL would be prone to make, like using the wasei-eigo "miss" instead of "mistake" or screwing up the "we don't have much time on our hands" idiom. If it's a fake it would require a high level of skill compared to the other messages

>>103472727
>Making racist ESL "typos" requires a lot of skill
OP is fellating himself

>>103472776
meds

>>103472387
>>103472281
I doubt it was the actual content of the photos that was the problem, but the photos existing at all. It sounds like Enna took normal photos of the kids at her daycare and kept them, which is weird and cancellable because you have photos of other people's kids and showing them on stream would be a massive, massive breach of their privacy.
Kindergarten teachers taking photos of the kids because they think they're cute etc. is a "normal" phenomenon, albiet one that has been an issue. From what I understand childcare workers are only now being trained not to do it.
That's the most generous interpretation one could have of this at least. NijiEN members don't have the best rep so idk maybe it is as bad as you say. "She has CP" is a pretty damning claim however -- one I would really like to not be true.

>>103469408
Is this suppose to make Niji look bad? It proves that Selen was just as bad as she said she was behind the scenes. Everyone hates her because she would have her BPD explosions at everyone.

>>103472549
what the hell man

Ah, found it. Nina and Selen mentioning how she doesn't really join thet discord anymore and left for her own mental health.
https://youtu.be/LgazS-x73Wc?t=13766

>>103472549
Rude! You'll make her cry!

>>103472400
BRAVO KOJIMA

>>103472935
urghh i memoryholed this awkward interaction

>>103472549
More like SEX shower

>>103468989 (OP)
So Alban points out some she is willing to throw EN under the bus by going "Livers want to graduate me" and Vox, as we all suspected, is throwing his weight around and trying to pressure management to terminate.

If this is true, thank you leaker for confirming EN is a cesspool of high school drama where everyone is Randall from Disney's Recess.

>>103472720
What about it? Vshoujo wanted to poach talents and these are the people who were willing to join until shit hit the fans. They expected some grand pay but cant take back their graduation notice.

>>103473172
Holy fucking cope KEK
You're in for a shock when they keep dropping like flies even with vshojo gone

>>103472900
>but the photos existing at all
>taking photos of the kids because they think they're cute etc. is a "normal" phenomenon
Are you american? because you can't make a point with contradictions unless your audience is stupid

>>103473189
Yeah, cause that many were willing to join cause VShoujo kept up the facade of some gold standard. Its where everyone wanted to be.

>>103472900
Bro is defending "taking weird photos of children"

>>103472900
i think its just naked kids doing stupid bullshit, which is likely to happen in a kindergarten.
dont know why she kept thoem if thats the case but this is the most reasonable assumption, since i feel like nina wouldnt be disgusted if it was just a fun posing with the children type thing.

>>103472900
She opened up the tooic of showing the pictures by alluding to her finding one of the children attractive. No, I am not making this up. Go watch the vod if you don't believe me.

>>103473129
>Selen says 'The other livers want me to leave'
>The other livers confirm that they did, indeed, want her to leave.

This fucking branch, man.

>>103473262
>i think its just naked kids
Niji fans can't be real.
wtf is going on where they think this shit is normal.

>>103473302
kek it's hilarious
>Alban: Eh why is Selen lying about livers wanting her to leave?
>Livers: IKR, anyways, Selen should be terminated and publicly executed.

>>103472727
I meant the fact that she's included at all

>>103473304
anon i wasnt saying it was okay, i was saying that it probably was just this, still bad but not literally CP.

>>103473302
Also, the way they treat management and rules like its some god who's sent down some commandments.
You would think its management enforcing the rules like this but this the livers being cutthroat.

>ITS THE RULE BREAKS NOT US BEING U COMFORTABLE

This is legit high school crybullies willingly sitting front row in class and report every infraction they see in the courtyard but then start crying when they get their come uppance.
Nobody likes such people in school. Nobody likes such people in work places.
These are the same people where it you take a 5 minute smoke break and they run to report it and act all smug at you later on.

>>103473516
>Also, the way they treat management and rules like its some god who's sent down some commandments.
Most companies require you to follow the rules set forth by the management. You’ll learn this when you finally get a real job, anon.

>>103473393
>just
I think you should reevaluate how you use this word and maybe see what kind of things you let slide by.
If a child care worker has pictures of a child with out parents consent in any sense that shouldn't be okay just because their your oshi.
You must agree how mentally deranged this sounds. Unless you mean to say you would go to court to defend this saying "Just because a child care worker had naked photos doesn't mean its cp"

>>103473516
This is Jim from the cubicle next to you who probably has a picture frame of his boss on his desk, seeing you took a bite or 2 out of a sandwich outside of lunch break time and running to the boss to report it.

>>103473584
Way to miss the point and conveniently cut out the rest of the actual context.
You took 1 sentence from all of that and threw away the rest. Way to go, you imbecile.

>>103473129
>thank you leaker
Thank Reimu

>>103472320
>There is no nijien official discord!!!
>shows proof
KEK

>>103469468
did we read the same shit, anon? Selen is clearly in the wrong and they are just brainstorming what to do about it. She threw them under the bus and wanted out. What the fuck are you supposed to do if you're everyone else?

>>103473676
Sorry, I stop reading when someone says something stupid. Try harder next time.

>>103473729
Damn, how do you even post considering the shit that comes out of your brain?

>>103473729
Then you are proving my point by not reading the rest. Thank you.

>>103473772
My fingers work faster than my brain does. Not even I know what I’ll type.

>>103473729
Sanity check,
you're being samefag'ed

>>103473785
You’re welcome

>>103473217
wheres the contradiction, exactly? It's not okay for childcare workers to take photos of the children they work with, but it happens because women like taking photos of children. It's an issue that is being addressed right now in the childcare industry.
Enna probably thought it was okay at the time like a lot of childcare workers did, and probably didn't realise it wasn't until someone told her and she pieced it together. I hope.

>>103473814
You know what? Fair.

>>103473726
I'm not saying Selen didn't break rules, but this "She needs to cry and beg for our forgiveness and then be thrown out with the trash" attitude is genuinely appalling. It's like spiteful angry children trying to take frustration out on their classmate.

>>103473255
I'm very clearly not, you fucking retard lol learn to read

>>103473601
i literally agree with you retard, but im also not going to assume its actual CP just because that would be the worst case and the most damning shit that i dont think reimu would just say shed be canceled for.
thats why i said >dont know why she kept thoem if thats the case
because if it was just photos taken for showing the parents of stuff the kids did, she still shouldnt have kept them.
the fact she kept them means she thought it was okay but also ninas reaction implies something worse then just a bunch of cute photos of her posing with the kids, something that is reasonable enough to not react like how she did.
its weird outside of posing with the kids.

>>103473288
Okay that's a little weird

>>103473858
The insanity of saying she has to go cover their asses and THEN get terminated on top of that?
Vox is real scum. To think people actually believed they were friends.

>>103473889
to be fair anon, the black screen alone was proof of vox's shittiness

>>103473847
I hope you are American so you know what its like to fight against basic human rights against crazy people.
>cute picture of a kid eating cake
>"Wow that kid is cute!"
>Picture of a kid ********
>"you can't post that ever"
I've seen the brainwashing that goes on and is allowed in america beyond this you are hopeless.

>>103473917
Don’t forget about his rape asmr

>>103470990
>>103470466
50 percent chance it's someone trying to get the heat off of Vshojo. It doesn't make sense to release this only now. If they wanted to go for maximum hurt later on then the anniversary of Last Cup of Coffee would work. And this actually hurts Selen if this is some of the proof she has to defend herself and it's coming out before court. Not to mention being forcefully dragged back into this drama is something she has repeatedly voice to not want.

Also you got to be careful of Ai and what it can write up.

>>103472900
Nina was the least sheltered person in the entire company, she would absolutely not have considered "took normal photos of the kids at her daycare and kept them" unusual.

>>103473938
I have no idea what your fucking talking about, man. I'm not even American.

>>103468989 (OP)
Sooooo what? They were mad that she included them in the mv? That's what they were ass blasted about? What a bunch of retards.

>>103473965
>50 percent chance it's someone trying to get the heat off of Vshojo.
zero percent chance.
Nobody gives a shit about vshojo. I don't think I've seen a single post in favor of them since the collapse.

>>103473996
>I don't think I've seen a single post in favor of them since the collapse.
By making Niji look even worse, people will stop posting about vshojo. /vt/ is easily distracted by the latest drama

>>103473938
dont check out family facebook groups then, its not uncommon for families to just post stuff with their naked kids in it.
and this is world wide thing that people do, hell i think its rarer for americans since theyre prudish about it.

>>103474079
They did that already by shutting up about it.

>>103474079
you know anons can think that vshojo is shit and niji is shit at the same time if they already believed it beforehand.
and these threads dont deflect that shit when everyones already agreed that theyre both shit

>>103473996
>Proof they've come in here for years to manipulate the narrator
>lol trust me bro they don't
Lol.

>>103474220
>>Proof they've come in here for years to manipulate the narrator
I said they aren't doing it now because there's nobody to defend.
The corp is dead. Everybody hates them.

>>103471092
Ok vox

>>103474220
Nigga they literally have no money
How would they even pay shills to post here anymore?

>>103474420
>she's also under the bus herself
kek

>>103473221
Nigga vshojo has nothing to do with this you're just injecting them because you refuse to admit fault with niji

>>103468989 (OP)
Fuck this screenshot ass discord shit. use your fucking OBS and just screen record it, Reimu while you're still in the server!

>>103468989 (OP)
Is this yet another /nijien/ discord faked SC to bait you retards? I find it funny how despite being called the "/nijien/ discord" they hate the general in here.

>>103473965
This reply to my post is funny because I'm actually a VShojo watcher lol. But like the other reply said nobody cares that VShojo died because it was such an ignoble death and everyone's continued as they had when VShojo was live. I just don't take stuff people post that fits picrel without at least looking for reasons it would be fake.

>>103471096
Genuinely? If these *are* real, I have to think Ike is a legitimate candidate with the least to lose from this. Especially considering the timeline from earlier this year.

>Announces he'll be MIA for a brief moment in February this year after receiving "devastating news"
>Comes back, but would then go MIA again with no warning this time for a whole month starting March 29th
>On March 30th, His PL posts picrel before it's deleted soon after
>Almost everyone close to him (except Fulgur I think?) is blindsided by this, only one who was definitely in the know was Mysta.
>Decides to wipe his entire corpo channel.
>No sign of him since (that I know of)

I still have doubts these are real, purely because anyone who IS leaving rn would basically make enemies out of everyone (especially Reimu) and likely has dirt on them. But Ike is practically a ghost at this point, and it's very possible he won't return at all to streaming which means that any content to bring him down is really null save for defacing a legacy he already tossed out. If he was feeling guilt for all that transpired and hiding the "truth" as it were, is it not out of the question he leaked the logs as a way to self redeem himself?

>>103468989 (OP)
I sincerely hope this is fake

>>103470301
>Why does it seem like Selen was the only one who had issues with management?
are you retarded?

>>103469127
>please don't let this info slip to the public
like oshi like fans i guess, they all knew what would happen

>>103475294
I wish that whole selen termination was fake, but here we are.

>>103473965
If that was the case they would have dumped it much closer to when vshojo was crashing and burning. Everyone's already forgotten about it.
It's clear whoever leaked it is using Rose's graduation to launder it.

>>103468989 (OP)
You should stop posting here reimu

>>103468989 (OP)
I'll only forgive you reimu if you start leaking more shit