Which JP graduation would actually affect Hololive? I figured losing Aqua would really hurt them but that was not the case.

pekora

>>103475482 (OP)
Suisei leaving would genuinely damage their numbers

>>103475482 (OP)
Fubuki
If she goes, so does the company's rep.

Yagoo.

>>103475482 (OP)
Disappointing thread idea but I’ll give my two cents

None. None to any degree that matters, and whatever happens won’t affect them for too long either. Unless there’s a Selen situation, something that bad, losing one member won’t do anything in the long run.

However, if we’re only talking in the short term, the hardest hits would be Sora from a morale and optics perspective, and Marine or Suisei from a fanbase perspective. Sora leaving, especially if it’s not on good terms, would hurt because she was the first. Marine and Suisei are powerhouses and losing them would be a harsh blow in the short term. But in the long term, unless something radically bad happens that completely taints the group’s image forever, they’re spread out enough that losing one, two, three, even four or five members won’t kill them

>>103475482 (OP)

>>103475610

>>103475482 (OP)
None. JP Is a negligible branch right now. Fuwamoco's graduation would destroy Hololive we know it.

none of them would matter as long as they leave on good terms. but if you end up with another aloe situation, that's gonna breed a lot of animosity from the fans.

>>103475610
rather good riddance
she does nothing but damages the box now

>>103475482 (OP)
Pekora
Suisei
Fubuki

>>103476119
Why are 35P all Pekora antis

>>103476140
kill yoursef noufagi

>>103475482 (OP)
Aqua leaving did hurt them but at this point they're already so big so you won't feel it much.

Korone, Miko or Fubuki leaving would be a disaster for Cover's reputation and it would make hundreds of thousands of fans to leave and be done with vtubing altogether, a long-term disaster.

For a short-term heavy impact, Suisei or Marine leaving, the kind that makes stocks go down but after 6 months no one would think much of it, take what happened with Aqua as an example.

>>103475482 (OP)
i don't think any single graduation would cripple them. hololive is run intelligently. they keep bringing in talent to diversify income streams.

a graduation would only hurt them if it was extremely messy. a talent being fired and said talent sharing horror stories of harassment or something like that.

>>103475482 (OP)
Losing Aqua DID hurt them, just not very much.

Suisei's the biggest one. Then Miko and Pekora because they're popular.
FBK leaving would get fans guessing because she doubles as a management figure who's dedicated to keeping Hololive in line
Then all the others big enough to pull in a sololive. Marine, Watame, Kanata, Mio.

>>103475610
She should've graduated when she used the hacked ROM

>>103476330
nooooo not my hecking pokemans

>>103475482 (OP)
If they're all like Aqua's, then literally none of them, at least not long term. If you wanted it to affect hololive permanently it'd have to be one of the popular/OG ones graduating in very bad terms.

>>103476298
Buki will join Pato-sama

>>103476298
I'd like to add that I think Suisei will eventually leave. She's already kind of too big for Hololive, and has a significantly more mainstream audience compared to streaming.
At the point where it happens I do not think it'll be a big or surprising thing anymore.

>>103475482 (OP)
Not a single one, have you idiots learned nothing?
All of gen 3 could leave tomorrow holding hands and singing and the sun will still rise, All of Gamers could leave the tides still come and go, Gen 0 could get sucked in a sink hole, the world still turns.

Not a single fucking one, Aqua left Coco left, Chloe left and tomorrow comes, Hololive isn't about one mega diva it's about the group as a whole and those who come after that add to the always already solid foundation, as long as new talent comes in to start their idol rise, HOLOLIVE IS ETERNAL !

>>103476446
you've been saying this for 2 years now

>>103476246
>Mikhoe
Suckywhore Mikhoe leaving would actually boost Hololive. Mikhoe is one of the most hated livers in all of Japan

>>103476748
trying too hard

>>103475482 (OP)
soda, suisei, fubuki, if they left on bad terms would do a bit, if they left on good terms then probably nothing would come of it though.

>>103476708
More like 4 >>15256201

>>103475482 (OP)
Long term? None, even if there was a Selen level event, what happened with Rushia showed Cover handles these things much better. Unless we're talking 10+ people leaving within a couple weeks, it's not happening.
Short term? Marine, Suisei, Fubuki, Pekora, arguably Korone.

>>103477108
>Short
>Pekora
die lying noufagi

>>103475705
It'd keep going for a while unless the company had a sudden change of direction. Could probably keep on truckin' after any one graduation, as long as there isn't a scandal attached.

>>103475482 (OP)
What a stupid thread. Affect them in what way? Every single event in regards to holomen affects hololive in one way or another. Wdym "losing Aqua would hurt them but that was not the case"? Pretty sure Aquacrew would disagree with that statement. From whose perspective are you looking at it? Definitely not that of a fan. Obviously it's not the same without graduated members and graduations are a symptom of something that changed for the worse within hololive. Hololive is no longer as fun as it used to be. There are occasional good streams but they are few and far between compared to 2020 golden age. Hololive had been hurt by internal mismanagement a long time before Aqua decided to drop out. Her graduation was an effect, not a cause.

>>103475482 (OP)
non, they're brainwashed consoomers

>>103475482 (OP)
I’ve always thought Korone’s graduation would be the beginning of the end for Hololive as we know it especially if it’s on seemingly not very amiable terms
I’ve always seen her as someone who would definitely forever stay as an affiliate rather than completely leave so when the day comes and it turns out to be a full graduation instead of “conclusion of streaming activities” then something clearly isn’t right

>>103476546
Zero thought process behind this post.
If an entire gen graduated in one day especially Gamers it would be only because of something EXTREMELY messed up that would result in complete loss of public trust, a criminal investigation, multiple arrests and inevitably Cover as a company folding.

>>103478521
The affiliate deal is a goddamn failure since only Ame and Chloe took it and everyone else rejected it despite having the option. It must have some conditions we don't know about.

>>103475781
>Aloe
the girl that left of her own volition and even had the OK to return if she wanted to? the one that was attacked by vtuber antis and nijiniggers?

>>103475482 (OP)
>armaggeddon tier
Sora
Miko
Subaru
Pekora
>disaster tier
Fubuki
Korone
Marine
Suisei

These have the potential to ruin Hololive,
Everyone else would range from horrible news to whatever, but wouldn't bring the whole place down.

>>103475482 (OP)
Miko. She's the only holo who has more connection and strongest bond to holomembers and the fans more than anyone else , micomet,shubamiko, mikkorone,fubumikometto, mikomari,mikomio. The main organizer of hololive tournament,the one who defended hololive at the time when doomposters was rampant while some holomembers were throwing shade at cover to get sympathy since they too doubted cover unlike miko.The most watch vtuber by average ccv without dragging the stream for long hours just to get big watch hours meme metric. Marine is next then sora, suisei and Subaru. Pekora is not even worthy she already got exposed as fake streamer during pokemon scandal and the management is obviously giving her preferential treatment that they didn't even mention her on their Nintendo investigation tweet

>>103480103
>Sora in D
Nice try pebblephile.

>>103480103
>during pokemon scandal
literally nobody sane ever gave a shit about this manufactured "drama"

>>103475482 (OP)
Aqua leaving did really hurt them
but it's like cutting off a finger, ironically, lose one or two and you can still function relatively normally
Suisei, Marine, Pekora, Korone would all hurt individually but they might still go on, it's when you lose a bunch that it really becomes impossible to do anything

Korone would have the biggest graduation event in my opinion. It would not end Hololive but it would be a big impact on the internet.

>>103480534
>Nobody
Nintendo literally ordered her to hide her fake stream at the same time she reclined massively because of that

>>103475482 (OP)
Aqua did hurt, but I think it helped a lot that she had a fantastic graduation stream, and then just disappeared for a long time.
If she had just half-assed her graduation, then disappeared and would start streaming on an alt the very same week I think it would leave a lot of bad taste.

Miko and Pekora leaving would have the most impact. They are the 2 who most often organize events and tournaments and all that, which is what makes Hololive thrive and what keeps people invested in the community as a whole. Miko in specific has been killing it with all her events and tournaments the past 2 years. She literally helped ReGloss pop.

You would still have other event organizers like Lui and Koyori, but they don't have the brilliant ideas that Miko gets for events and all that.

>>103480642
Her peak CCV would probably be in the millions

>>103475482 (OP)
In no particular order, these are the nine Pillars of Hololive. There are other talents with respectable numbers or occupy different niches, but they can be replaced over time. If all these nine are gone without anyone big enough to replace them, Hololive will fold.

>Streaming Giants
They stream everyday and like to host big events that could tie the talent pool together. Without them, Hololive will just be another idol group.
>Social Butterflies
Friends with literally everyone. Them leaving could cause a large chain reaction of other large talents leaving.
>Masters of their Craft
Irreplaceable talent and reputation. Even if they're not the biggest vtubers, their effect on the cultural zeitgeist is disproportionately large.
>The Canaries
If they leave, especially in bad terms, then the upper management is compromised and the brand will die. Years of goodwill will disintegrate overnight.

Anya. If they lose Anya, the company will collapse

Suisei would probably do the biggest damage to hololive as a brand because she is their foot on the door to mainstream popularity.

>>103483104
You can add the rest of Gamers, 5th Gen (excluding Lamy), and Watame to the list of the Canaries

>>103484742
nene is not a canary, she's just a menhera.
there's a lot of canaries in hololive, but those three are the most important. if okayu left but fubuki stayed, hololive's reputation won't worsen by much.

>>103475482 (OP)
Pekora or Marine leaving would be a killer

>>103476298
Pekomiko would be way more devastating imo.

>>103476246
Korone isn't that important anymore

>>103483104
Polka may look questionable, but I would argue that one of Tanigo's favorites suddenly graduating would be a Canary.

>>103475482 (OP)
none of them. no one is bigger than Hololive and once they leave, they become literal whos,

>>103485075
how is fubuki not a canary when she specifically said that if Hololive ever became a black company she'd be the first to leave?

Nothing at this point, fans are starting to buy less merch and buying TCG cards that give even more power to the corpo. Everyone is negligible in the end unless they do some realllly black company type shit and multiple girls come out

>>103485204
Anon?, are you alright?

>>103485204
beacuse everything that happened to Coco during the Taiwan incident that resulted her in being pushed out,EN and ID during their first 3 years is actual black company shit and she turned a blind eye on all of it.

Peko, Miko, Fubuki, Mr. Koro.
It all depends on the nature of their graduation though.
I still think if anyone of these members want to graduate in a way that is perceived amicably, they should announce it a year in advanced. Market it like, "Miko's Final Year" etc.

>>103485284
lmfao you can't be serious

>>103485284
that's not what happened at all. chinese bots were attacking coco's chat and every other talent she's interacted with that it became unusable. that was the reason why she had to be quarantined and not because cover loves chinese money. they also fired their entire chinese branch and left the market BEFORE coco decided to graduate. if coco really hated hololive upper brass she wouldn't have bothered to invite yagoo to her graduation ceremony.

>>103475482 (OP)
They are an established brand now. The days that a single liver leaving on amiable terms would affect the company as a whole are long gone.

>>103484963
Tell me you’re an EOP without telling me you’re an EOP

>>103475709
>>103476271
>>103476546
>>103477108
>>103484421
>>103484910
>>103485247
These are the same type of people with the opinion that gura leaving is the end of hololive before but then they got proven wrong now they continue with their another shit take once again

>>103486880
Gura did fuck all in 5 years compared to all those
Nobody even mentions the name “Gura” anymore after she moved onto another persona

>>103475482 (OP)
They’d have to lose all Marine, Pekora, Suisei and Fubuki and maybe also Korone in quick succession. Otherwise it’s a thousand years of Blue Dorito Domination.

>>103475482 (OP)
Only Miko and her friends like korone,Subaru,sora, suisei and marine

>>103475482 (OP)
Here are the vtubers that only matter

>>103475725
Is she even still around?
Between her, Lamy, and AZKi, i keep having to be reminded that they're still active

>>103475482 (OP)
Nobody in JP is all that relevant. They don't have anyone like gura or fuwamoco.

>>103475482 (OP)
Miko's abrupt termination could legit kill the company. Not in a "no one watches anymore" but in a "the company has 0 reputation now and if Miko becomes indie people would leave in droves"
For others you would need a combo of multiple in a short period of time. Something like Marine + Korone or similar.

I don't agree about Pekora, she's not as big anymore and never had many relations with holos except for leeching.
Suisei is super big but has being going in her own for years and wouldn't matter that much streaming wise. I could even see her leaving for a bigger music contract but i doubt anyone would put more in the pile with better conditions than Cover already do.

>>103475709
Btw, i don't agree that if there were a leave in good terms it wouldn't matter at all.

There wouldn't be a catastrofic effect for them in the short term but the reality is that they seem completely unable (at least so far) to make up new stars for the company. You need like 2 or 3 of the dev_is girls combined to get to the size of a middle tier holo jp. If in the next, let's say 4 years, we see 3 big enough talents leaving, they're not getting replaced popularity wise with anything. That would mean that hololive passed their popularity peak. That's without counting they deciding to take their business outside.

>>103475482 (OP)
losing Subaru, she's friends with everyone.

>>103487202
This is accurate for the most part, Sora and Fubuki added in for symbolic value, and you can't ignore Pekora from a numbers point. Any of the Gamers would also be big I feel.
>>103488236
>Suisei is super big but has being going in her own for years and wouldn't matter that much streaming wise. I could even see her leaving for a bigger music contract
Suisei has said she doesn't want to sign with a label, if she did she would already be with one. MGO is with a label, but that's a different situation being it's a unit and not as a solo act.

>>103485075
>>103485204
Anyone from early gens are terrible as canaries. Not because of their moral qualities or whatever, but because they know exactly how bad things can be, their reference point is all messed up.
Fubuki especially so, considering that she basically carried early period of brand establishment for hololive. She is not a canary, she is a top miner in exoskeleton suit with integrated life support system, everything around her will crash and burn before she starts to sweat. Bitch is about as hard as they come, real deal showa era gangster idol stuff.

Always depends on how it happens. There's not a single talent that if leaving on good terms would ruin the company. People move on, it's normal.
If they out of nowhere fired all of Hololive Fantasy, that would be harder to recover from.

If Migo graduated I'd take that as a sign to stop watching vtubers.

Go home urectrum90 you're drunk