Thread 103489705

What if your general was not just a general but a nation, devoted to your oshi and their will? Enter this general where the fanbases and generals of /vt/ are reimagined as rival nations fighting bitter battles or beginning wholesome friendships for the glory of their oshis.

A rose by any other name edition

Previously: >>103275424

Interactive map:
https://vtwbg.github.io/

Introductory document for new anons:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-qrd

VITI ARCHIVE:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxRtAENk7g3hJAlBsEWRJ6KVEItchyvymusJ1Q7ulEs/

BIOME MAP:
https://files.catbox.moe/wz0ad4.png

OTHER PROJECTS:
https://rentry.org/vtwbg-projects

Anchor post for any story/map/lore. Please reply here for archival purposes. Anchored posts in the last thread will be archived within a day after the thread has been archived. You may also ask for your own archive posts to be updated or organized according to your standards.
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If you will be using a rentry link, please use
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Please also report if there's outdated/missing lore in OP.

I miss rosebud and his lore.

Today's special is rose tea ice cream.

What if the tavern is run by three shrimp girls and a crab?

wao the world is back

>>103492971
is the crab just a crab?
Are the shrimps anthro?

>>103493513
Shrimps are like mermaids, half-girl half-shrimp. The crab is just a sentient crab. He's like an anime mascot.

>>103489735
Alright, I've updated the interactive map with the land claim from last thread. Everything should be up to date now, but if there are any mistakes then just let me know.

>>103495577
so much unclaimed land

>>103493621
which half is the shrimp then

CLEAR

>>103501146
The top
The torso + eyes
Arms + Legs + Head - eyes

>>103495577
thanks anon!
>>103501146
I hope it's the bottom half...

>>103503238
how do shrimps mate?

>>103501146
Bottom half. Though the girls do have pincers instead of hands. They use their extra legs for leverage.

>>103503223
Reminds me of the joke where Meremen are fish heads with human legs yelling "I have a penis".

>>103504511
Unknown. Not enough data in shrimp mating habits.

>>103505006
commence data collection

survive

>>103489735
/who/ - Governmental Structure
/who/ could be best considered a loose confederation of city-states united by the principle of Owl Love, though it would be disingenuous to call any of the towns or villages "cities".
Unlike many other nations, /who/ has no capital city. With no central governing body to set any hard rules, a sense of autonomy has been developed between the towns. This has led to them becoming more distinct from each other. These distinctions are usually small (such as general cuisine or what "mooming" entails), but on some occasions they have escalated to the degree that they affect how the locations are governed. Typically a town or village is governed by an elected mayor, but it's not unheard of for an established town to have a marquis or a council of elders that citizens "age into" govern instead.
One thing that remains constant across all towns and cities of /who/ is an Ave. Each location has only one Ave, and it is annually elected by all adult Hoomans of that town or village typically mid-year. The one who is recognized as town Ave is hailed with a cry of "AVE!" upon departure from or arrival at any civilized part of /who/, and is entrusted with an identifying trinket of some kind. This is always either a form of headwear such as a helmet with a large red crest or something that can be comfortably held in a raised hand, like an ornamental knife. Some places (typically those at or near the coast) refer to an Ave as a Skal instead, deriving the title from a command yelled in the Hooman "navy" as opposed to one borrowed from what was the nation's army.
An Ave's main purpose is to speak on behalf of a town to the people of another. If there's a dispute of some kind between two towns, both towns are expected to send their Aves to attempt negotiation and mitigate any potential conflict. If a village is in distress, the Ave is sent out to ask neighboring locales for assistance.
The Ave is also entrusted to speak on behalf of local developments at the Hoosmoot and vote for or against issues raised at the event, as befits the needs and desires of his or her home.

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As for what Hoosmoot itself is, I got a bit carried away describing it so here it is in rentry format!
https://rentry.org/hoosmoot
Also, since I still have quite a bit to write, I might as well provide a lore hub.
https://rentry.org/who-lore-viti-edition
I'll reorganize it after I finish that checklist. For now, it'll simply be a compartmentalized ctrl+c ctrl+v of whatever I have written down.
>>103495577
Looks good to me!

>>103514345
AVE

CLEAR

how is the literacy in your nation?

>>103514345
AVE
>Confederation of city states united by oshi love
holy kino, kinda reminds me of Vitubia /morig/.

>>103518049
The general population of awdat can read but a common issue is either short sighted or gatorskexia. Classes are taught to keep them from messing up

>>103514345
>As the fact that the individual Ave/Skal is the final arbiter of what affairs get spoken, Hoosmoot accounts are often filled with largely irrelevant developments.
my sides
>the Anti-Filibustering Act
The anti-Yap law... About how many Aves are there? Like dozens, or more like hundreds? Trying to get an idea of how many Aves there might be. If there's many I can see how this'd be a must to keep the event workable, otherwise you could have Hoosmoots that take a whole year.
>implementation of a three-age calendar
What's a three age calendar?
Ah, and there's a lore hub, that's a sight for sore eyes. Good stuff anon.

I think when I get home, I will ask some questions about vnug. Expect me in 4 hours or so.

another bottle of mayo please

remember to breed hags to keep population up

>>103518049
Literacy is highly valued in /who/. Every Hooman is taught to read at a young age. It is not unheard of to know a Hootie (cultural term for Hooman child) who could write sentences before being able to walk.
>>103520049
>What's a three age calendar?
The Hooman calendar is split into three ages, intended to mirror the development of their nation. The ages are as follows: E.S. referring to the times of Early Settlement, O.R. denoting the Owl Republic, and N.S. being the current days of a New Start.
One curious aspect of this system is that E.S. progresses backward. To give an example: The first Hoomans settled in what would become the port city of Avisporte in E.S. 152, but the first recorded maritime contact between an Avisporte ship and a v-tail orca took place in E.S. 36.
There is also no year 0 in any of the three ages. It goes directly from E.S. 1 to O.R. 1. There was some deliberation of whether to make the final year of O.R. also the zeroth year of N.S., but it was ultimately decided against to reduce possible confusion in bookkeeping.
Lastly, although the Hooman calendar uses the same system as a whole with most/all other Holo nations, one point where it differs is when each age officially begins. The end of E.S. and beginning of O.R. are with the signing of the Proclamation of Unification, generally seen as the beginning of the Owl Republic as a unified nation-state. N.S. 1 began with The Nameless One's Cessation of Divinity, as /who/ puts it. This resulted in O.R. starting in late summer and N.S. beginning mid-spring. This, combined with /who/'s decentralized nature, has made it difficult for them to establish formal ties with other nations, but that's best explained at a different time.*

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*and also when I figure out how I can write about relations with places like /haha/ and /uuu/ without making it seem like I'm preemptively strongarming currently uninvolved generals into a relation with /who/ that an eventual rep may not necessarily want.
>About how many Aves are there?
Hooman population is rather low, all things considered. I admit I'm not an expert on this kind of thing but I can say for certain there wouldn't be more than a hundred Ave's or Skal's. Likely closer to fifty, in all honesty. As previously mentioned or at least implied, /who/ is sparsely populated.

>>103518049
Essential in Loreli since we deal with the world's archives. Multilinguel languahes are favored.

>>103524863 (Me)
Not sure how or when this got deleted from that post, but there was another thing I wanted to address:
Hoosmoots often take more than a single day to take place in full. This is another reason why scribes are welcome, as they are expected to bring food and drink. When discussion and/or deliberation goes on into the night, Hoosmoot is paused after the current topic is settled to allow for eating, drinking, and sleeping. Foraging and hunting in a moot's night are not unheard of
A few bad-faith individuals quickly learned this could be weaponized by wearing other Ave's out by talking, and talking, and talking, until they decided their position wasn't worth the incessant yapping. This was ultimately what led to the Anti-Filibustering Act, which in an act never done before or since, was a vote passed with at least one Ave held at gunpoint.
An attempt to censure the ones who held the guns was attempted, but as the Ave who raised the issue extensively filibustered against the AFA, the measure was dismissed immediately.
>>103489735
Above paragraphs have been added to the Hoosmoot rentry.
Also, the calendar info seems worth documenting, so into a rentry it goes!
https://rentry.org/hooman-calendar

Do hoomans still like berries and potatoes as some of their favorite staple foods?

I want to welcome Hoomans to Loreli with a tropical fruit and seafood feast. Maybe we can roast a whole pig or chicken if we're provided.

>>103524863
>hard to make relations with other nations
so you're like a country of introverts

I'm wondering of Gura's graduation is also included in the after era age. I'm tempted to borrow it because a post-Gura Viti does feel like an after era of vTubing.

IT'S TIME! The team is currently signed up for divegrass and we'll hopefully know in a couple hours whether we've been accepted for /vt/ League 9. In the meantime, please come vote in the roster poll for which players will be on the team this league. I'll leave the form open for 3 days, so make sure to get your votes in by then.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfsP0NNLQx-5VDqoIMj9U5WlIG49wS4v8ZtVYbLIyco9sjeog/viewform?usp=header

I bet /HAHA/ is like a wild west.

>>103523456
right away!

>>103524863
>>103525981
50-100 Aves is pretty manageable.
>Held at gunpoint
kek no one likes a yapper

I got distracted

>>103542787
Don't be distracted

>>103538818
wao!

>>103526329
Indeed they do! Dietary preferences vary from place to place, but potatoes are undisputably the primary crop of the land. And of course, berries are the go-to foraging food for the Hooman population. In fact, it's a common practice for Hooties (children) to go berry-picking with their Hoojisans (grandparents).
There is more I can add when going into specifics on food, but that can likely be put into the section on current Hooman culture.
I could do it now but others asked about potentially lost in-world lore last thread and it fell off the board before I could reply so I want to focus on that first.
>>103528484
The logistics of that may be a bit troublesome. There doesn't seem to be any information of Loreli in the doc according to ctrl+f, so I don't know anything about it aside from the fact that it's in space (I think?). There is a bit of travel (or synchronicity perhaps) between here!/who/ and tower!/who/ as some minor crossposting does happen, but I don't think that translates to space travel.
How does travel to/from Loreli occur? Are the participants beamed up a la Star Trek, or is it more that a ship capable of traveling between Viti and Loreli parks in a place where people can board? Because if it's the latter, that may cause the Hoomans who witness it to remember rumors of experiments and research into creating a certain type of craft...
>>103530851
I'd be interested in seeing what gets written about that. Would that be in the Era After AU as listed in the Projects rentry or does
>after era age
simply refer to the time between Gura's graduation and Saba's debut?

>>103547588
Lorelei stuff is found under the /vtwbg/ heading of the Viti archive, which in retrospect isn't great search optimization. So Lorelei is actually this tiny island found on the Viti map, off the coast of /vtai/+/waifu/.
The story I never finished has the closest thing to a formal physical description, though it'd be nice to have some of that info on its own in a lore document.
I wonder if we have any locations in space around Viti... I do know that /awdat/ and SpaceAZ have some ambitions in that direction. See https://rentry.org/a4ywusyo for the SpaceAZ stuff and https://rentry.org/mvwufiii#awat-space-program for the /awdat/ stuff.

>>103547749
Ah, so Loreli/Lorelei is the name of /vtwbg/'s island! In that case I must respectfully decline for (again) logistical issues.
/who/ simply does not have the capability to take either branch of the naval route pictured as things are at the moment. We could likely stop at /awat/ to resupply, but there's no guarantee a well-manned coastal fishing ship could make it that far without any guaranteed places to dock beforehand. It's too big of a risk without knowing what's between /awat/ and /who/.
It would likely be possible to trek from the northern border to /gem/ and then set sail from there, but a lot of /who/ would have to pool resources together and I doubt such a measure would pass two separate votes at two moots if the result of the journey is just a(n admittedly very nice) feast for those who took it.
I appreciate the offer, but it's just not in the cards at the moment.

survive the night

>>103548548
It's quite a long journey indeed, especially that part south of /~ehe/ goes through some mountains and a cold, desertic plateau that would be especially treacherous. I do know that there are some airships ballooning around, and there's a workable aerodrome on a flat spot of Lorelei, so maybe air travel would be an option, but even that would require some stops along the way, as well as good winds.

random joshu lore time!

mofukoyos kome in all sizes! but mostly chibi! mofu means fluffy! fluffy koyo!

>>103551838
source of warmth

We should map out airship routes someday.

>>103555006
are we following the rules of males being the animal but human sized and the females being humans with animal features

>>103557561
Hoomans are just humans.

>>103558892
how

/who/rep here. Disregard >>103558892.
I don't have the time today to post the lore I have planned but I'm chiming in to answer the
>how anthro are Hoomans
question.
Hoomans have owl heads but human bodies. For those who care about proportions, some characteristics shared with owls are longer-than-average legs as well as the ability to turn the neck further than normal, though neither of these is to the same extent as actual owls. Hoomans lack wings but wear cloaks that give the impression that their arms are wings.
Anything that would be hair on a human can be seen on a Hooman, just keep in mind that it's not hair. They're primitive/reverted feathers not meant to allow for flight. They have tail feathers proportionately about as long on them as the ones on owls. These and the ones on the "hairline" are the only ones that resemble flight feathers, though as mentioned they are not. Any other natural body covering is analogous to "dinofuzz".
Some may assume that they have a pair of feathers atop their heads, but this is not the case. They are feathers of local owls that are attached to the hoods of the Hoomans' cloaks when they are recognized as mature, responsible adults.

>>103562474
Ohhh neat we got some new humanoids. I like the wing cloak detail, is there a lot of fashion expression with that? Regional variations?

>>103562474
I see they changed. I was going by what I remembered from Vitubia days. My apologies.

>>103564484 (me)
I haven't read /who/ lore in years. I swore they were humans in Vitubia. I'll have to re-read Vitubia /who/ lore to double check. Again disregard and apologies.

I'm expecting another sanction after this.

>>103564904
no sanctions, they were human in Vitubia, this is just the Viti version being a bit different. Lots of countries have different populations between Viti and Vitubia.

>>103563749
There are subtle differences, but the base design is largely the same. They're almost always a shade of brown and the ends are patterned like feathers. The specific pattern may change and there might be subtly different colorations or lighter specks to match a row of feathers, but the base template of "hooded brown cloak that extends to the ankles and past the wrists and the edges are patterned like a row of feathers" remains largely the same regardless of where you are in /who/.
>>103564484
>>103564904
Eh, no worries. I did say I am using the Vitubia lore as the base for the days of the Republic, so it's an understandable misunderstanding.

I want egg-laying chicken harpies for /wawa/ now. That's just me.

>>103524676
hags are past breeding age

>>103568236
spoken like a weak man with weak seed

world, no!

>>103568883
how do you propose you breed hags

>>103532951
Alright folks, our signup has been approved and we're officially taking part in vtl9! Don't forget to vote in the poll if you haven't yet and let's hope for a good run this time around.

waorld

>>103577105
wtf dinobee isreal?

>>103577498
what if she killed a dino and is wearing its skin

Tonight's special is chicken chili and beans. How are projects going?

>>103572225
this time we'll win

I need to go to bed. Can you keep the thread alive?

quick update on the awat fossils
>Update 8/17/25
- Upon Closer inspection and research the Feathers found within the underground city may infact been apart of a variation of the ancestral teamate after all.
- Researchers discovered that traces of DNA from the feather is at least 58% similar to the modern teamate
- The new theory is that it used to be a variant of our own ancestors that could mate with other species of teamates
- It is said that this version of the teamate went extinct a long time ago as it they believe it had feathers to fight off cold weather as, its believe when the entire map of Viti was younger it used to be one whole super continent and parts of /awat/ were in a colder region that required the use of feathers.
- Researchers say that once the continent broke apart the teamates that had feathers got caught in the warmer weather and slowly died off due to being unable to adapt properly to their new climate.
- It is believed that later in the life span they inhabited caves due to being much more tamper and colder than the normal humid climate, which explains the fossil discovered within the underground city
- It may also imply that due to this variation of teamate living the caves, led to the development of later teamate civilizations living in the caves. Maybe some kind of primal instinct.
- Furhter Research is currently being done to further learn more about these new apparent variations of our own ancestors

survive

>>103588778
orca...

do your nations have some secret cults?

>>103592686
the ones who work from the shadows...

STOP BEING ON PAGE 10!

>>103592686
Though Hoomans are allowed to talk about the Pink Angel, there are limitations on what can be said. She cannot be held to any standard of divinity in the same manner as a chuuba.
Regardless, there are those who perform rites in the hopes of her attaining apotheosis. Many of these also attempt to equate the Pink Angel with the Nameless One, a topic that while not outright forbidden is very touchy with the general Hooman populace. Correlation and comparison are acceptable but framing the two as the same entity is highly discouraged among the populace.
There is also a group which holds the belief that there is a third entity who was a goddess before Hoomans settled the area and that she will return in the Nameless One's absence. People who adhere to this are mainly by the seaside and often hold the beliefs stated earlier.
As militia and law enforcement groups are on a local basis, so too are crackdowns on this behavior. This has led to more variety in how various towns regard the Pink Angel as a divine entity. Some places have an enforced zero-tolerance policy towards the above groups, while it is more embedded in others. There is suspicion that adherents to these beliefs have positions of authority in some villages, though lack of centralized military or law enforcement prevents any significant investigation into or action against these rumors.

Tavern is closed on Sundays. Might have to start closing it Saturdays for thatch roof maintenance soon.

>>103599685
the koyo bar-o is always open!

>>103599170
I still think she should return as a Selkie/Seal Girl someday. Reminds me of another special someone that may or may not be Sana.

waorld

Holy butts! Slow down catalog!

There's been a trend in the nation of /who/ where its inhabitants have been working together to craft effigies of the Nameless One across the landscape. Is this a localized phenomenon or have other Viti nations been doing similar things?

>>103606778
In /awat/ there's a farm area within the city that is home to a smol pumpkin Ame, though locals only refer to it as "Wife" as they dont know the origins of the statue. It becomes a tourist attraction around the fall time due to the farm planting pumpkins for the fall season

>>103606778
Can't say for /ggg/ but the chummie triplets that run the tavern in Lorelei have a shrine to Gura underwater somewhere off-shore.

>>103599170
Do you think theres secret cults for the pink one?

>>103616101
...I invoke my right to a8void self-incrimination.

Do owls give birth by laying eggs?

>>103622759
Like actual owls? I assume they do
Are you trying to eat hooman omeletes?

survive