Thread 103512153

>take the indie pill bro
>the indie pill

all this shit is marketing. people shit on clippers but clips are what is going to grow your channel when you are in 1view hell. pay one of them like 500 bucks to make a clip of you being racist or something. you also need to network with other vtubers so you can throw raids at each other

Why can't indies ever just stream for the fun of it instead of making it their main source of income

I'm getting his numbers when I boot up obs once a year to stream a game for my friends lmao

>>103512246
To be fair would you will have fun if you streamed to literally nobody?

>>103512153 (OP)
Can’t imagine how this dude feels. there's this two female vtubers I regularly watch that stopped streaming because of borderline no growth and no point in continuing after trying for years, and just decided to move on with their lives.

>>103512246
I’m doing it for fun and been finding a silent chat better than bots and solicitors. Got a good job so I don’t feel pressured too much. I can see how this can get depressing if you expected something though.

>>103512344
Yes? Pretty sure my oshi’s doing everything she can to avoid money and fans.

>>103512153 (OP)
The first mistake is relying on streaming in the first place.
Just like >>103512219 says, no one going to watch 3 hours stream of FoTM games from some random nobody.
Shorts or 1-5 minutes clips is the way to go.
Also, never rely on twitch. This might work in the Corona era, but unless you already got someone to leech on, you never go to twitch for new viewers nowadays. Anyone on Twitch already have someone they set on watching for 3 hours. And they will never spare another 3 hours of their life to watch someone else they barely knows unless they have no actual life.
The strategy nowadays is to lure new viewers to your twitch account by posting shorts/clips on youtube then pray the algorithm god to pick you up.

>>103512153 (OP)
theres thousands if not in the tens of thousands of vtubers nowadays. add in avatarless and IRL and theres millions.
what the hell do you offer compared to anyone already around? oh? yet another person playing VIDEO GAMES?! im sure i cant find THAT anywhere else.

>bro just ask advice on /vt/ but post it in a way that they won't think it's you making the thread
Two years with those hours and no growth, it's time to find something else to do with your time.

>>103512219
Didn't most popular streamers begin as already established content creators on YouTube? Isn't that just outsourcing?

>>103512153 (OP)
>bUt TwItCh HaS bEtTeR dIsCoVeRaBiLiTy
bro, if you're /here/, switch to youtube, have a consistent schedule and stick to it! once you do that, and maybe post shorts on a regular basis, the algo will pick you up

>>103512153 (OP)
>99 views
how the fuck do you find these nobodies to rant about?

>>103512829
OP is most likely the indie himself.

>>103512153 (OP)
just join hololive, op. if you're a 'he', kindly kys.

>>103512535
>Shorts or 1-5 minutes clips is the way to go
I checked and I think that dude is really bland, mystery solved
https://x.com/search?q=from%3AWolfAngelus_nya%20filter%3Anative_video&src=typed_query&f=live

>>103512829
OP probably find him from this >>103506167 post from the other thread.

>>103512924
>shits on vshojo
based

>>103512760
literally yes. starting as a streamer is a horrible idea. it's easier and less soul-crushing to start by doing some other form of online content and branch into streaming
if you're starting as a streamer you're setting yourself up for zero good reason

>>103512153 (OP)
No shit

>>103512937
It's vallure, the whore(good) corpo.
Vshojo has been dead for awhile.

>>103512960
I know, I can read
vshojo's corpse is still good for kicking

>>103512344
Bring your cringe idea to reality, why not. Practice speaking to a group. Try new speech, new language, roleplay and shit like that. Doesn't have to be profit at all

>>103512153 (OP)
>I've copied everything from big streamers.
that's your problem. Find a niche, something you are passionat about. You can't compete against the heavy hitters in their own turf

>>103512979
Yeah sorry, I didn't realize that he is shitting on vshojo as well in that post.
I never thought that he would bring up vshojo out of nowhere for throwing a hissy fit about a whore company not wanting other male to touch their whore so as to not lowering their value.

>>103513667
he probably can't tell whore (affectionate) and whore (derogatory) apart

>>103512153 (OP)
That's nothing. Today I stumbled on a random youtube channel:
>uploading videos for 10 years now
>1,1k videos
>all within 100-500 views
>900 subs
The truth is this shit has been oversaturated for years. Without good connections, a strong marketing push or a stroke of unbelievable luck with something of yours going viral, you will never make it, plain and simple.

>>103512153 (OP)
>copies others
>bwaa why can't I grow
why would I watch you if you offer what big streamers already do?

Do reactslop on youtube

>>103514631
why would anyone start as a streamer? You have no following. Nobody knows you. People aren't gonna watch a nobody for potentially hours without some sort of investment/familiarity. Now if you upload clips/highlights, they might

>>103514631
>>103515150
In general starting on youtube is a horrible idea.
There's a reason phase stagnated for what feels like half a decade.
Twitch has far better discoverability for streams. Save youtube for clips and shorts.

>>103515447
>Twitch has far better discoverability for streams
AAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

>>103515744
Anon, there's a reason 2views on youtube never grow any bigger.

>>103515755
meanwhile twitch is littered with 1views
>vtuber tag
abused by fleshies, mostly male
>advanced search
doesn't exist
>game category
full of fleshies
>no functional "don't recommend this faggot" option, you have to block fleshies individually
>meanwhile on youtube
>search for vtuber and game
>filter for live streams
voila

>>103515755
meanwhile twitch is littered with 1views
>vtuber tag
abused by fleshies, mostly male
>advanced search
doesn't exist
>game category
full of fleshies
>no functional "don't recommend this faggot" option
you have to block flesh filth one by one
>meanwhile on youtube
>search for vtuber and game
>filter for live streams
voila

>>103515842
Okay, anon.
Just ignore literally every streamer who talks about the two platforms and their differences.

>>103512153 (OP)
>1view numbermonkey melty in twitter
These should be nuked on sight
How do you even find this ?

>>103515915
I don't care what 4views or 5views who already "made it" have to say. Do you know what's the most common thing I see with the 2views you denounced earlier? They all streamed on twitch previously, current persona or not, but they never made it out of 1view hell, switching platforms is what finally did it, and most of them are on their way to becoming 3views.

>>103512344
if you can't have fun streaming to literally nobody, streaming is not for you

>>103512153 (OP)
>Copied everything from big streamers
See there's your problem right there, why would anyone watch an inferior, offbrand version of a big streamer over just watching them directly? It's like nobody learned anything from all those failed WoWkillers back in the day

>>103512829
it's yet another seething male vtuber who exposed themselves after the Vallure tweet

>>103515447
>Twitch has far better discoverability for streams.
you're retarded, nobody gets big on twitch without already being big. It's unbelievably top heavy and the algo does not help you one bit if you aren't already one of them.

LITERALLY WHOMEGALUL

>>103512791
Twitch has better discoverability if you actually play the Twitch game. Just sitting in your bubble and not networking makes all the discoverability features in Twitch, like easy raiding, all for naught.

>>103516371
>you're retarded, nobody gets big on twitch without already being big.
????
Anon, this is patently false. New big names rise up all the time.
Hell, want an example? All throughout 2021 and part of 2022, Shylily was a 1-2view. Same with Bao.
Not to mention cases like GEEGA, Michi, and half of the vshojo and swarm orbiters that came out of nowhere

>>103516371
Caseoh.

>>103516442
refer back to >>103515842

>>103516449
big corpos with direct connections to twitch itself don't count

>>103516632
What connection did Bao, Vedal, Camilla, Mouse (prior to vshojo), or ShyLily have to Twitch back when they blew up?

>>103512246
There's plenty who do.

>>103516667
mythic talent

>>103516676
In 2020 and and 2021 before they even joined?

>>103516676
You are not supposed to point that out

https://www.twitch.tv/wolfangelus

Alright fag if you're actually here, take this from a fellow indie male who's made it to 3 view (just). I watched about 30 minutes of your last stream playing REPO, dug through your clips on Twitch and scrolled through your Twitter.

Visuals
>Oh another wolf boy with slightly punk aesthetics
>Model is as generic in terms of art style as you could get
>Mediocre rigging, not terrible but nothing outstanding
>ugly stream assets (it appears you got rid of them in your more recent stuff)
>no overlays or immersive elements
>really fucking ugly logo
>STUPID FUCKING IRONY TOGGLES

Audio
>Generally good audio mixing
>Good mic quality (some of your old clips sound fucking terrible though so I assume you upgraded)
>Voice is slightly faggy so it would turn off most straight men, but straight men weren't ever going to watch you anyway
>Voice isn't anything exceptional but it wouldn't turn off most potential viewers

Content
>do NOTHING but stream video games
>no clips, shorts, tiktoks
>no lore
>no karaoke
>no music
>no art
>no challenges
>no ASMR
>no compilations
>no long form content
>no voice acting
>no skits
>no jokes
>no handcam content
>no collabs
>no fan interactions
>no interactions with other vtubers
>everything is just stream game and react to game
>visuals and presentation do not match up with the actual content, gap moe is a thing but to be a gap moe punk rocker you need a more extreme gap
>games are generic streamer slop of which you are not exceptionally skilled at to the point of impressiveness to entice someone to stay or find you admirable


Viewer Experience
>extensive ass list of rules for chatting makes anyone scared to talk
>lists out physical health issues as if this means anything to anyone, just makes you look annoying
>annoying chat integrations like that fucking god awful pokemon catching bullshit that I swear just exists to make the streamer feel better than chat is moving somewhat
>just constantly narrating the gameplay on screen, no talk of anything someone would be interested to voice an opinion or share a story
>label yourself seiso but also have a restricted 18+ chat, so no adult conversations or flirting or banter but also you want your entire chat to be 18+
>watching you talk makes it obvious you're terrified of expressing any level of controversial opinion and so you just come off as the colour beige
>primary audience will be lonely women but don't enable them to act like women in the presence of a man and you can't entice them at all because of your own gay self imposed rules

>>103516621
refer back to >>103516442

>>103512153 (OP)
Oh look, it's the same faggot that was whining about VAllure on collabing with males

>>103517064
you don't address it from the point of the viewer, and networking is the same on youtube

Some people just aren't cut out to be entertainers that's just a simple truth. Also
>Male vtuber
Lmao you're starting with a huge debuff right off the bat

>>103517794
A lack of inferential reasoning on your part doesn't constitute a lack of explanation on my part.

>>103512153 (OP)
There are THOUSANDS like him, male and female. People who stream for 3+ years with no growth got the gut, but that's not enough. In fact, this faggot is doing better than most by asking questions and trying to figure out what doesn't work and what does.

>>103512153 (OP)
Male vtuber? Sorry chud, I unrecommend them on sight, if I see a clipper doing clips for males, unrecommended. It’s just that simple. Male Vtubers on average are repulsive freaks. Unwanted and not asked for. The femcel audience already has their chosen male Vtubers. You are not one of them.

>>103517840
I accept your concession, twitch monkey.

>>103512153 (OP)
>I copied everything from big streamers
Then why should I watch you over those big streamers?

>>103518104
>I don't understand what you said, therefore I win

>>103518409
be more articulate

>>103512153 (OP)
Most people aren't good at streaming and even if they are they might be retarded at marketing and need to rely completely on luck or clippers to push them.
From the picture in OP I am guessing this person is bad at both because he thinks he can just mimic the behavior of others and succeed and makes no mention of making a clip channel, posting shorts, doing edited content on youtube.
I feel like the majority of people getting into streaming think this shit works on magic and not effort and talent.

The 1views I watch on twitch all came from posts on reddit

>>103516956
Truthspeeker. I read that.

>>103516956
Based feedback giver

>>103512153 (OP)
If you're a guy the only reason people watch you is if you're really good at a game or if you're really stupid. Oh yeah and guys are not cut to be vtubers you're expected to show your face. It is what it is.

>>103512153 (OP)
>playing semi-good traffic games like DBD and Elden Ring
I love retarded wome-
>only real diff is I am a guy
RUMAO!
at the very least try to copy male vtubers, retard
women aren't into men pityposting and playing rape simulators, not as the rapee at least, you can't compare your content to a woman's content because you are a man and she is a girl, I genuinely can't see how you would just gloss over that

>>103512153 (OP)
KWAB

>>103516956
so it's not even the male vtuber nerf (probably a part of it though) he's just really bad at being a streamer.

Good feedback btw and for this nigga if you're gonna be a male vtuber put some effort into it otherwise accept that you'll be small and don't fucking complain about it if you're gonna be lazy.

>>103516956
>you're terrified of expressing any level of controversial opinion and so you just come off as the colour beige
kek
stealing this

>>103515942
The vallure tweet brought out all the seething 1views

>>103512153 (OP)
>male vtuber
Well there's your problem

>>103512153 (OP)
First mistake is looking so insecure and desperate in public. If you were one of this guy's 8 regulars there's a good chance you follow him on Twitter. How would you feel seeing this come across your timeline? Would you feel appreciated? If he's really truly honest and not trying to protect his ego I think he understands why he isn't growing.
The "Let's Play" style of streaming is such a retard trap for new streamers. It lures them in because they think "I could do that" not realizing that tens of thousands of people also thought the same thing. It looks like the easy button, but it reinforces bad habits where you're relying on the game to give you something to talk about. If you have to rely on the game to give you something to talk about then you are a piss poor streamer. This is ESPECIALLY true if you're playing the same fucking games over and over again. Gee I wonder why you can't break out when you're doing the same shit over and over again on the same games everyone else is playing.
Narration over gameplay has become what vtubing is to a significant part of the EN sphere. Zatsudan is becoming a lost art form. Fuck playing Dead By Daylight, give me a 3 hour deep dive into why Dead By Daylight sucks and why survivor players are bitches or give me a rant about something. Do something entertaining and mildly valuable for once in your miserable life. Part 85 of your Elden Ring playthrough enriches the lives of no one. No one needs to see it and no one will see it. Do something unique.

>>103516956
brutally honest but real as fuck advice and assessment overall. You could almost forgive most of the stuff on the list like the shit visuals if you are ENTERTAINING, which this guy does not seem to be at all. Also not making clips, shorts, or even edited vids and trying to network at all is literally asking for yourself to never grow. It is quite literally essential to make it big, every big streamer in recent years have all gotten massive because of clips.

>>103516956
Actual real and useful advice on MY basket weaving forum?? Honestly this is applicable for nearly all male vtubers. They don't consider their audience because irl men are pretty use to succeeding by default so dont think how they actually might be the problem. That's why you have shitters like thjs guy thinking he's working super hard and grinding, all while pushing out content like fucking DBD. Yeah good work buddy

>>103512915
Every time
If not that, then they have a voice made for newspapers (although given some semi-popular chuubas, idk)

That's the Twitter-pill.

>>103512153 (OP)
Streaming and any kind of social media is extremely difficult to get noticed in. This is how it goes for most people.

>>103512760
That’s literally the way to do it though. Make video essays, meme content, (lets plays are dead), start a react channel, post TikTok’s/instagram shorts/youtube shorts, do parody sketches, anything. Build a small fanbase and then transfer it over to streaming. You will never make it as a streamer first. You have the same chances of winning the lottery.

Make content you enjoy/that has value then if you’re succesful turn that into streaming revenue. Literally OF or traditional porn would be a better start than just streaming.

>>103516956
>Actually great feedback
Holy shit

>yet another bitter holodrone thread
keep em coming, your tears season my day.

>>103536639
How's the viewership looking like 1view chan?

>>103516956
The biggest trap of all is really just thinking playing video games for endless hours forever will eventually land you a win on the lottery.

>>103512153 (OP)
juat watch holo

>>103516449
geega was a 1 view that leeched off jowol and zentreya. bao was an early bird. if bao debuted today she would be a mid 2 view at best.

>>103512153 (OP)
You can't just copy a formula. Popularity isn't a slop math exam.

>takes indie pill
>finds male tuber from california targeting gay men
>blames no one but himself for shit taste

>>103536294
Let's plays may not be the king shit anymore but I still saw channels rise up into the millions just by letsplaying in recent years.
Like some dude playing nothing but Horror Games.

>>103543794
that is a) a lottery, and b) only really works if you're dedicated to a very specific genre and are good at it in some way. There are literally hundreds of thousands of lets players nowadays, why would anyone choose you to watch specifically?

>>103543794
Well, a lot of the older channels lost all of their relevance and there's still some kind of an appetite for it. The biggest issue is copyright shit and the much lower revenue, which is the ultimate cause of people abandoning it.

>>103512153 (OP)
Target the male population.
Be a Trump supporter.
React to Karen clips.
Easy money.

>>103546404
anime model is a debuff for those audiences

>>103512153 (OP)
>enter low view stream
>streamer singles me out and lovebombs me
>get the ick
>leave

>>103512153 (OP)
Dead by Daylight? This is just an evolution of amogus groups that peaked with pewdiepie, except PewDiePie was fun to watch because he was already an established personality. You're not supposed to keep playing these. Nobody wants to watch anyone that's actually good at these killer games, it becomes boring! It's like those people that get sweaty at party animals or fall guys. You're losing the effing plot. Move on to something else, choose a better game to main if you want to be a niche gamer.

>>103512760
Yeah, like that Cilvanis guy. He made all those "how anime characters are like in real life" style skits with basic special effects and editing, simple costumes, filmed in his living room, and he recently got into live streaming. Some of his streams are just hom chatting to get ideas for his next skit, but people show up because he's established a small following. (of 1.4 million)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_0ycrWbrCUE

>>103515915
I'd sooner watch vtubers on kick than twitch. I also don't get bombarded with some nogger screaming at bongos and drongos on the front page.

>>103547763
that's literally all kick streams.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Just admit it's not on your internet plan and seethe.

>>103518104
Concession posting in August 2025...

>>103512153 (OP)
>pure gaming streams
>apparently long streams
>a fucking male
Why even be a streaming vtuber? Just upload videos where you talk over gameplay about whatever.

>>103512153 (OP)
i will never watch a male vtuber but i will watch regular male youtubers regularly
vtubers are female only, any man in this hobby/culture is a sexpest who deserves to be culled

>>103518409
you litteraly posted "nuh-uh" and are now acting high and mighty
africans have more comon sense than you

"Pill" threads have to be the worst template thread type on this board

>>103512153 (OP)
>Homo crying about not getting views
This hobby isn't for male vtubers

>>103516303
Yeah I remember this faggot bitching that it was sexism or some shit. Turns out nobody wants to interact with his loser ass anyways.

>>103516449
>New big names rise up all the time!
>Lists people that have been on the platform for a few years now.

well dead by daylight is an ass game