Thread 103514968

>>103514968 (OP)
Why would they? They're not in it.

>>103514968 (OP)
The one on the left was a mistake

>>103514968 (OP)
From left to right
>popularized en chuubas moving away from idol culture with public bf and marriage announcements
>popularized en vtubing
>popularized schedules
These three are titans in the history of English vtubing

>>103514968 (OP)
not Saba's fault those two tards unfollowed each other

>>103515338
Nimi unfollowed Dooby?

>>103514968 (OP)
>Lore drop happens
>Saba becomes a 4 view and gets mogged by the runt gen
Based Nimi, destroying the indie avengers from the inside.

>>103514968 (OP)
They were boring and did nothing inside Hololive and they're equally boring and do nothing outside of it. Nobody will give them a second thought next HoloFes.

>>103514968 (OP)
saba cute, but i will never watch/get invested in a indie

>>103515503
She has not.

anon this is is as pitiful as the landwhale of the united states trying to distract from being a piece of human garbage

Holo EN will be just fine as long as they got the Cover Bots increasing their views (after the first hour of their streams of course)

>>103514968 (OP)
I wouldn't say no impact, but their relevancy was severely overstated. We're talking about a lot of anons that argued hundreds or thousands of times that as soon as Gura graduated the branch would shut down and Cover Corp would tank. That's not me being hyperbolic either, I'm actually being very restrained in how I'm talking about what certain fans thought.
That clearly didn't happen and you can assume that nothing else people say about how positively relevant or impactful they were is true either. It was all just a lot of hot air that coincided with global circumstances. In the end Covid was the most impactful thing that ever happened to vtubing.

>>103514968 (OP)
They took their shitty fanbases with them on the way out atleast.

>>103515674
Yeah I mean good for them to keep streaming but I don't think I'll use the term "oshi" on them anymore after they literally gave up their best shot at becoming an idol.

>>103515897
True.

>>103514968 (OP)
What's your point? They didn't want to make an impact. They wanted to get rid of the chains that bind them, aka contracts. Now they can do whatever they want without Holo telling them no.

>>103515674
That's just silly. I watch both and barely notice any difference between indies and company vtubers.

>>103514968 (OP)
The brought most of the numbers and tourists.
Ganbare EN, it's pebbles and the mid-sized fandoms to carry the torch from now on. At least Ina gets good numbers and takos consistently show up.

>>103514968 (OP)
HoloEN lost 50% revenue in Q1.

>>103514968 (OP)
A bunch of faggot enablers, they chose ruin over caution and destroyed their reputations.

>>103516228
That probably has more to do with global economy, tariffs in particular

>>103516109
nah, girls can barely be trusted with a corporate contract hanging over them
getting invested in a completely free one is retarded

>>103516228
Nimi lost 70% of her numbers post lore drop

Ignoring Nimi's lore drop, I was expecting Saba to be a juggernaut given her reputation within Hololive. She turned out to be a nothingburger.

>>103514968 (OP)
Of course they didn't. Most of their "fans" just moved on to watch other holos. That's how brand loyalty works.

>>103514968 (OP)
That's because of chumbuds and saplings don't watch anyone else beside their oshi to begin with.

>>103514968 (OP)
as expected? Saba was always going to be ally #1 of hololive, and dooby just follows her lead as always

>>103517359
>ally #1 of hololive
????

>>103515944
So when they don't get everything handed to them by the agency anymore, they're not worth supporting? Prime bootlicker mentality right there.

>>103517403
What do you think she's doing in the indie scene?
She's showing indies how they can succeed: By copying the hololive model
Indie watchers are notoriously retarded, they don't watch corpos just because they instantly assume its shit, by infiltrating that community and getting them used to idol content, she's preparing both audiences and future talents (that would otherwise be afraid of joining a corpo) that actually the way that hololive does things is good

You are stupid if you don't see it

>>103514968 (OP)
I would argue that now that everyone who quit has left, HoloEN is better and all their fans realized that without the seal of quality, they're all really bad streamers and quite boring.

>>103517448
shes.... a underCOVER agent?

>>103517432
Illiterate alert

>>103515944
>they literally gave up their best shot at becoming an idol.
Gura was an idol though for 5 years though? And saba is still an idol, will soon have songs and 3d (in a year) to do concerts in?
She doesn't need to become one, she already is
>cares for her fans
Check
>loves her fans
Check
>wants to sing for us
Check
>wants to show us her dance moves
Check
>wants to do concerts/projects for us
Check

Idol confirmed

>>103517159
More than a nothingburger. If you told me Saba was going to get her worst performing stream ever within the first two months of streaming, I would've called you a massive retard. It's also not even close to her second worst performing stream of all time.

>>103517159
It's almost like not streaming for weeks and weeks kinda kills off your fan base

>>103517547
>cares for her fans
>Check
You're delusional as fuck. Someone who cares about what they're doing and cares about their fans doesn't ghost their coworkers and fans for weeks/months at a time. This can not be refuted.

>>103514968 (OP)
HoloEN was boring with them and it's boring without them

>>103514968 (OP)
All 3 fanbases got weirdly cocky, I don't know why they thought their oshi was bigger than the corporate titan that is Hololive

>>103517606
>doesn't ghost their coworkers and fans for weeks/months
When has saba done this? she has debuted 2 months ago and the longest she has gone without a tweet or retweet without telling us beforehand is 2 days

>>103516109
>They didn't want to make an impact
Saba's lyrics suggest the opposite.

>>103515568
Gura literally created hololive, it would have bankrupted without her a long time ago

>>103517779
>cumbuds actually believe this

>>103517779
kys

>>103517773
>ash again
How can you not udnerstand that she wants to burn indies down? She was an indie, burned down the scene by leaving and joining hololive and now she's planning to burn it down again as an indie
Hail Gura/Saba the incarnation of the true EN Vtubing

>>103517669
>it'll be different this time! just you wait anon! the past six years don't count!
Thank you for confirming that you are in fact delusional as fuck. Concession accepted.

>>103517159
She would've been if she quit 3 years ago.

>>103517403
Gura's graduation is the most antagonistic in the history of Hololive. However, the most antagonistic graduation announcement title belong to Fauna's.

>>103517159
First time she takes one of her inevitable long breaks she is going to really discover how bad it is not having the holobox keeping your viewers around the meantime. Being able to disappear for months as a streamer and come back to just as many or more viewers is strictly a hololive benefit for the most part, that kills other channels.

Fauna has a big legacy, but part of it was confirming that even the most unicorn-friendly CGDCT HoloEn chuuba can get dicked without most people noticing.

>>103518047
Uh oh, ligger melty

>>103518057
Nobody ever thought Fauna was unicorn friendly

>>103514968 (OP)
They forced them to turn on the bots tho.

>>103518057
Only retards ever thought she was unicorn-friendly. Red flags were everywhere from fairly early on.

>>103518057
Check the archives. Saplings were being called cucks as early as 2021 and the faunaschizos were saying in 2023 the ASMR drop and 'not your friend' were both signs she's in another relationship.

>Bae, Kronii and Mumei have all collabed with men
>Sana shouted out the homos in her holoscopes and graduation streams
>Fauna quit hololive to get married
They really were the worst gen

>>103518241
I don't know what Promisefags expected. Since day 1 they were extremely normalfag-coded. Even today Nimi says she still uses reddit. Mumei was /here/ so she was always a little edgier but she still ended up leaving for normalfag wagie reasons.

>>103518057
>unicorn-friendly CGDCT HoloEn
>fauna
lmao

>>103517518
Just say you hate the journey and instead want everything handed to your "idols" from the get go. Fuck actually working for your dreams, am I right?

>>103518241
they were the only good gen in HoloEN, rest are unfunny autsts

>>103515059
>popularized
>stream twice a month
ruhmao

>>103514968 (OP)
management sisters are already doing a fine job killing HoloEN

>>103516566
What a shit excuse. Sure, four major graduations has less impact than the biggest paypigs having to pay maybe $40 for already overpriced merch. Retard.

>>103515769
so why did dooby unfollow her?

>>103518823
>retard
It's a global trend tied heavily to how high tariffs are for each country.

>>103518906
Global trend of what?

>>103518823
>"excuse"
>when companies world-wide are getting fucked by the tariffs

>>103518988
Imported merchandise. This is not a Hololive thing and it has little to nothing to do with Gura/Fauna/Ame. Numerous Japanese businesses have tanking sales from Americans because of the tariffs. It was already bad before but this shit is excessive.

>>103515555
Nimi has done nothing that saba didn't bring upon herself, Gigi is la creatividad ultra instinct forma de verdadera while saba sat on her laurels doing nothing with them for 3 years, imagine if she had done something with her popularity within those years. It would have actually put a dont on cover's bottom line but she had a scuffed final live, took what she had left and went away with a fart.

>>103517448
Who do you think runs the idol groups? Anybody who's anti-corpo will also be anti-idol by association. Saba isn't changing anything because nobody can emulate her, and the ex-holo fanbase is mutually exclusive with the indie fanbase.

>>103519080
Name three Japanese companies.

>>103518823
>a 100 dollar product now costs 200 dollars
>excuse

>>103515059
>moving away from idol culture
how's that going for her? last I checked she dropped from her 11k-15k viewers down to 5k viewers in the recent mint collab
a real titan indeed lmao

>>103520372
Let's just pretend HoloEN views weren't culled as well in the last days except for the usual botting candidates who botted even harder to compensate.

>>103520738
>HoloEN also dropped, except the ones that didn't because I'm a schizo and those must be botted
meds

>>103520296
Yeah? Your oshi's limited is a one-time purchase on an annual basis. And yet many HoloEN members can't even sell out their limiteds.

>>103520372
>>103520738
What happened is called a ripple effect. One of the big CGDCT girls admitted she was bullshitting the unicorns all along, now people are starting to wonder whether or not their patronage and infatuation are wisely directed (they're not) and moving on from VTubing. It won't end with a bang, but you can hear the whimper in the distance if you pay attention.

>>103520918
irys used to sell out her limited stuff in 5 minutes and now she barely did it like 30 minutes before the time ran out
nerissa didn't sell out at all
do you think these things happened because of gura leaving or because of tariffs?
gura, ame and mumei didn't even participate in regular merch drops or voice packs or whatever for years.

This is your impact. Breaking Dimensions had queues all the way up to 20k, but at no point was anyone saying they saw anything above 7k for AfO. As a group, HoloEN is notably weakened.

>>103521139
I think IRyS lost the benefit of full gen supporters that happened to be saplings/hoomans first, on top of maybe Cover increasing her stock.

>>103521178
AFO is in a theater 2x the size of BD

>>103521027

The big drop in streaming numbers from the last days doesn't have anything to do with that though. It seems to be because of the age verification nonsense yt introduced, that's why it's not just vtuber numbers that are down.

>>103521267
Do you really believe a HoloEN that still had those four members today would painfully struggle to fill out a 6k venue with wanting fans?

>>103521559
They were dropping off before that. The age shit is just compounding upon it.

>>103521566
it's additional tickets Cover released this week, probably excess from tickets reserved for sposors/guests, or maybe, looking at the positions, for filming equipment
the general public is barely aware these exist, and they will sell out in any case

>>103521178
Reminder that DB also didn't sell out their seats completely.
I was even waiting in line the day of when cover put out a tweet trying to sell last minute tickets.

Fauna didn't do much
Gura was a massive front for the explosion of Hololive worldwide. Just go look at JP (and ID) ccv and sub count before Myth. They werw going up a little bit during Covid, but Myth blew the doors wide open and springboarded a lot of JP. I'd argue that there'd still be some of them not at 1m subs to this day if not for Myth and Gura spearheading it.
Ame is whatever. It opened up VRchat and that spawned a lot of fun streams.

>>103521851
Why did you just make shit up? Did you know it's been like this for weeks? You can get tickets for below the original asking price today if you want.

>>103521991
See, I can actually show you AfO isn't selling out to wanting fans. You're just saying things.

>>103522181
Um aktually those are scalper tickets so they've already been sold. The concert will be sold out!

>>103519641
Holodrones say she's so good but can't explain why she was a 2 view with a superior skinsuit.
You don't like vtubers, you oshi the brand. Hololive fandom is as legitimate as Coca Cola or Burger King fandom.

>>103522463
Stop saying this. It'll upset the fags who only found some of the talents they love because they were in Holo. It's super funny how mad some of those fags get if you talk about being a fan before the Hololive swapover, and doubly so if you have real proof.

>>103522234
The idea of Bae's fans bankrupting themselves in some failed scalper ponzi scheme will never not be funny.

>>103522589
Even if they had good intentions, the fact that they can't move tickets and the regular scalpers can't at lower than cost prices means that no one wants to go and the demand is smaller than it used to be. There's a bunch of things that could factor into it, both big and small, but it just goes to show that less people are willing to pay to go to these idol concerts from Holo.

>>103522762
Alcohol consumption is also down. I think people are becoming more frugal in regards to certain spending.
I was at the sandwich shop the other day and I only tipped a single dollar for three sandwiches. And that was because I felt bad cuz I gave a bunch of special orders.

You could have had everything nimi...

>>103522895
Turns out a luxury hobby that requires a decent chunk of money to follow fully isn't going to do well when people don't want to spend money.
Like I said, there's a bunch of factors that go into it, and I don't doubt that EN has lost a little bit of power and interest over the last year and a half.

>>103514968 (OP)
Telling us they made no impact is going to be a hard sell when you faggots can't stop talking about them.

>>103522982
This place is built for waifu warring, but insteas of anime waifus, it's women wearing an anime skin

>>103522902
She wanted to get bred. Honestly I don't fault people for still watching her. There are people that watch Zentreya or Neurosama and don't mind that it's a guy puppeting the girl model on screen. Nimi is the same just with an extra layer of female between the man and audience.
At least she made sure her model has giant fucking tits for the coomers. Just keep the 3d dance streams coming.

>>103514968 (OP)
nimi dropped the ball

>>103514968 (OP)
Oh. You have their earning numbers?

>>103521222
Her stocks didnt increase but you are right on the other thing. There were people that bought everything for the Gen and when some strong people leave it means they are less likely to buy shit for the remaining members

>>103517432
>>103518440
Stop pretending like they're the underdogs fighting an uphill battle they're not, if anything they've been benefiting from the prestige of Hololive even as an indie.
The thing about them not being an idol is that even in a favorable position they're still proved to have no desire to break through.
You think this time it will be different but it doesn't matter anymore because they've dropped the ball when it matters.
They don't have the fight in them to be an idol, that's a shame for the industry and the best I can do is move on from that expectation.

>>103524622
Enjoy your ever increasing shill streams

>>103524813
Enjoy your react streams

>>103522463
>>103522525
>what is exposure
>the mere act of not being aware of every single en vtuber's existence is an unforgivable sin
get the holochad cock out of your mouth geez, its not our fault GODver corp are the only ones reliably launching 2views to stardom

>>103514968 (OP)
I mean they debuted 2 gens to fill in.

>>103522902
why would she want less money