Thread 103536289

https://rentry.org/corpo-unity
https://pomu.pages.dev/corpo

>What is /corpo/?
The number of vtubers managed by an agency ("corpos") or representing a brand ("mascots") has been growing recently. However, not all discussions can sustain individual threads. This thread strives to create a place to discuss the talents and mascots of corpo™s that are currently not discussed in other threads.

>Can I shill my small corpo oshi who already has a thread?
If your oshi gets talked about in a thread constantly, you may want to focus there! It's fine otherwise.

>Are former corpo talents allowed?
Due to the increasing number of graduated or retired talents, ex-corpo talents are allowed but please try to respect their other identities.

>Other Corpo Threads
Bat: >>>/vt//bat+/
Micro: >>>/vt//micro/
VSMP: >>>/vt//vsmp/
PixelLink: >>>/vt//pxl/
UK vtubers: >>>/vt//slag/
ChromaSHIFT: >>>/vt//jidf/
V4Mirai + globie: >>>/vt//v4m/
Small JP vtubers: >>>/vt//indie/
V&U + KR vtubers: >>>/vt//vnug/
VSPO! EN + Specialite: >>>/vt//fpspec/

Previous thread: >>103513794

batmogged and bloombroken

>>103536289 (OP)
what the bat doin

>>103536420
Bat is at video games right now

>>103536420
unironically being bad at videogames
https://www.twitch.tv/batatvideogames

>>103536289 (OP)
troon

>>103536506
her voice got better she's not troonmaxxing anymore

>>103536493
CUTEatvideogames!

>>103536289 (OP)
Has xey had bottom surgery yet?

>>103536564
Cuteatcute

Elia supremacy

>>103536659
shut up sexpest doctor

>>103536534
>the troon passes its not so bad now
that's you you cock sucker

>>103536690
who tf is that

You know bat was born in a Muslim country and has talked about not understanding christianity a lot.
The stories point to her being a biological woman, she was just a daddy’s girl, which is where all her tastes mostly form from

Just because someone has an accent you don’t recognize doesn’t make them a tranny you fucking retard

>/corpo/ defending trannies
this is a new low even for /corpo/

>>103536923
bat has a troon accent

will bat posting save /corpo/?

>>103536896
Cute

>>103537728
Another schizo is desperately against it, even more than /pkg/ schizo's bloom posting so I am all for it. The fact she is on topic is important too.

>>103537728
troonposting and antitroonposting?

>>103536466
she's in the video games aisle?

>>103538221
my nigga gosling got cucked by two kekson fuckboys

>>103538093
>creative inputs
And look at how those turned out to be

>>103538221
It's a pretty model but I understand why it wouldn't appeal

>>103538221
It's funny cause he's also a cuck in the movie

>>103538479
It wouldn't appeal how? It's far more interesting that just putting on some animal ears

>>103538424
becoming a generic foxgirl and spamming nightreign homocollabs with her fuckboys is creativity

>>103538563
interesting is not the same as appealing

someone is awfully jealous of male vtubers methinks

why did no one post the queen?

https://youtu.be/fcsu7uV2fiY
https://youtu.be/fcsu7uV2fiY
https://youtu.be/fcsu7uV2fiY

>>103538960
that's sex work

>>103538960
We're watching pippa

>150ccv asmr
holy washed up

>>103538960
Finally ASMR from a nonwhore. Going to be jorking it today

>>103539045
lmao, ok great one

>>103538960
>spit
>wet sounds
that mortgage must be crazy

realized how profitable it is award

>>103539217
>thighs
>rhythmic sounds
all things she explicitly say she would never do btw

>>103536493
>being bad at videogames
oooooooooh! you mean, like, BAT at videogames

>>103539283
didn't she also say she was going on hiatus because of the bf and the schizo thing?

Menace got 4 times the views lol

>>103539604
can you at least anti in non-retarded-numberfag ways, it just really reflects poorly on you

>>103539692
Now say that without crying

>>103539791
I am, man, it's you who is always bitching and whining

you faggots make me agree with the anti-schizo schizo, I hate you all

watching my two daughters on dual monitors. today is a good day and there's nothing you can say or do to ruin it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad1dznlhLxI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GbP5UunTRI

>>103540364
Goobi only has 40 viewers can everyone please watch her?

>>103539118
>>103539183
>>103539488
>>103539637
>>103539860
>>103540184
get your boy back

>>103541011
LMFAO I was wondering why he was so quiet, bit of shared nuisance that one, remember he tried to merge /tingles/ and /corpo/, for whatever retarded reason
>>103539183
totally not a woman way to write

>>103536690
Why does this picture always get posted about the doc being a sexpest? clearly it's the other way around (shy introvert btw)

>>103541011
>20 for 5 minute trigger
Egregious prices. I hope no one pays.

>>103541089
I thought you were a woman

>>103541659
you would like that wouldn't you

Meimi wants company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wes2WkEetH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wes2WkEetH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wes2WkEetH0

>>103541713
Anything I deem more feminine than me is a woman so I wouldn't mind fucking your tight little asshole even if you had a penis. You're a woman to me either way.

>>103541786
kyaaa~

>>103541786
>>103541825
/fagpo/

>>103541825
Get on all fours for me like a good little slut.

>>103540435
i did for a little bit but i just get unreasonably irritated by capeshit

>>103541786
yujiro what are you doing here

>>103539913
she's 100% correct here

>>103542490
so close to the truth yet so far

>>103542567
it's funny because she bullies chuubas who actually agree with her like vallure

>>103542799
Vallure are the opposite, just suck it up and try to get along with everyone

>>103536896
>You know bat was born in a Muslim country
The whole "Albanian" thing is just a joke lol, she wasn't actually born there

>>103542998
willo can suck me up

>>103543178
Watch your mouth boy, that's my wife you're talking about.

Sentenno status?

>>103544242
enjoying his night, unlike you

>>103536690
They're having sex

Bloom status?

>>103545332
Vtubers?

>>103544277
pattern: noticed

>>103545409
he rapes them

>>103545332
He's playing golf.
https://www.twitch.tv/profbloomvtuber

acti...

>>103544326
only absolute retarded kekolds draw this conclusion from a twitter reply

>>103545905
blown out con whore groomed by a schizo

zeli has almost 200 viewers now so /pkg/faggot can kick rocks
playing slop though unfortunately

I need shee icho......

>>103546517
The schizo has been mostly quiet today because he's been touring the board so he'll reply a bit late to this
So far he has been in /menace/ and /vnu/

>>103546767
why are you in those threads

>>103546800
it's all too clear now

>>103546767
>/menace/ and /vnu/
Looks like they are onto him. I saw them lamenting about /vrg/ after a quick glance. Sad some of them also blame it on us as a whole though

>>103546800
I like V&U and we had a menace guy come in and tell us
>>103546873
lmao
>>103546937
well for the most part he is us, seeing as how his samefagging is, consistently, about a third of the posts here (low estimate since only one of his devices catches the ban)

What kind of accent does Pam have? It’s like, familiar

>>103547158
>I like V&U
No, you like Liora because she's a grimsharts whore

i like V&U because misma asmr makes me rock hard

>>103547211
Obake PAM? she's always sound standard american to me, granted there are very few regional accents I can identify
>>103547245
I like most V&U talents not just Liora, wouldn't even say she's my favorite from there, also interesting to see you again, restarted your connection eh?
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/tnum/103526851/deleted/deleted/
>>103547172
You can go back to them, you won't be missed, you know that

>>103547317
>granted there are very few regional accents I can identify
Because you're mexican

>>103547355
he is argentinian

>>103547317
I'm not the only guy who hates (You) and whores

>>103547355
Now that's just silly

>>103547211
>>103547317
im pretty sure she's canadian

>>103547428
That was Aka

>>103547211
>>103547317
>>103547428
I’ve seen her ask how people in North America can stand having so many time zones so I’m not sure. Maybe she’s from NA at least

I think Liora is cool

>>103548762
you got cucked by tcg whitebois in maid cafes, tsunderia gays and tinder hookups

>>103549660
I said I think she is cool, not attractive.

>>103549695
women can only be cute or sexy, they cant be cool

>>103549730
You're stupid.

>>103549757
nou~

>>103549730
kekold

>>103549921
That is true

is nemo still phasing in or nah?

>>103549941
maybe, she's back deepthroating fishman cock on main

>>103549941
Do you think she would enjoy bejng in the company?

friendslop without friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QeBs4CQs_o

>>103550684
>friendslop without friends
that is sad she joined a fake corpo and no one there will play with her not even mozzu that hired her

>>103550684
Ewwwwww vdere

>>103550684
she got kekolded

>>103550775
she plays it with her friends too when they're live anon, don't worry!

>>103550684
Vdere trash

>>103550684
grim

big announcement in 40 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN1XbFQJaBo

i hope they all leave mozzu and do well

>>103553453
Lore drop?

What kind of lore should Cody drop?

>>103553854
His relationship with his father

>>103553854
his erp history with orc femanons

>>103553854
his knowledge of the occult

>>103553972
He was only involved with me for a very short time while I was little. A lot of times, he would make excuses to not see me such as him needing to clean his gutter. At some point, my mom learned that he was living with some other woman and had a daughter with her. He saw his daughter for her birthday but hardly ever thought about me. I dunno, nothing much else to say.

>>103554015
What?

>>103554053
Interesting question. Let me think.

shill me some nice chuubas anons, ones that stream around this time or a little earlier

>>103555091
Which time zone do you live in?

>>103555091
you are a kekold

>>103555143
That is literally the stupidest reason I have seen you call someone that before

>>103555091
this is a schizo anti thread, no one here watches vtubers

>>103555091
Yura normally streams around this time.

>>103555091
ask in the /micro/ or /slag/ cuckbox, we have vtubers here

Think about more things you want Cody to lore drop about himself

>>103555171
if you want to watch vtubers you are a kekold

>>103555297
So are you for being here

>>103555140
australia
>>103555194
thanks anon, I'll check her out

>>103555355
based cuck

If you hate vtubers but choose to come here and interact with fans that you find repulsive, you are a cuck.

>>103555499
cuckrage

>>103555529
I'm pretty certain the majority of /vt/ would agree with me. Since you hate vtubers and vtuber fans that much, go and do something else with yourself that you actually find enjoyment in.

>>103555649
his barneyfag-tier bot brain is dopamine fried

does anyone still watch Skye? how is she doing lately?

>>103555754
Yesterday she woke up to a chain of hate message notifications because one of her shorts was pushed to 135k viewers overnight.

>>103555840
>chain of hate message
by nemo

>>103555840
based haters

What did Skye do that justifies hatred towards her?

what was Skye's asmr account again? does she still do that or did she retire it? I feel like her name started with an "M"

>>103556080
marchen melty but it's turbo abandoned

>>103556124
thank you, I assumed that was going to be the case

>>103555091
JPs or Spica

>>103556701
grim

>>103558213
JPs like AZKi, Aki Rosenthal and Noel are pure maidens, the perfect idols. If only the western whores could be more like them.

>>103558735
kekold (japan)

>>103559142
Explain

paramount of seiso

>>103559694
>>103559694
>>103559694

Commentators:
Poko Rakun
Lazuli

Racers:
Sunny Splosion
Quetzu Solscale
Toffee
Mono Monet
Ceri Foxhound
Leah Asimov
Enya Ignis
Nova Aokami
Meimi Majokko
Alfhilde
Elia Stellaria
BriAtCookieBox
Cerenity Cosmica
PillowDear
Laphipi
Eva Ananova
Ruby Runeheart
Blair Labri
Pekoe Boo
Azura Dulait
Mochi
Raki Kazuki
Hiyori Mokami
Nanako Niku
Mocha
Piper
Ayla Yew
Tomoe Umari
Kara Wilderwood
Riki Poppet
Essie_ch
Yae Yugiri
Shibi Cottonbum
Maple
Amora Lumina
Akugaki Koa
Arisa Noonish
Rebbi Rompin
Cera Luceria
Icey Snowpaws
Mitty
Lumi Yukime
Juna Unagi
Penny Puffball
Shura Hiwa
Pleiades Lillie
Nene Amano
Kirispica
Kumanui Miel
Hiiragi Emuri
Usachi Yui
Limina Alteri
Miwabelle
Allayucaneat
Miyuora
Taiga Toragami
Mivi Aivori
Mako Sameshima
Daisy Dandelion
XiulanLong
Shiki Miyoshino
Shabel Tonya
Pina Pengin
Chiaki Katsumi
Stronny Cuttles
Rem Kanashibari
Furi Ferntail
MoguGhost
Kiri Kilovolt
Roca Rourin

>>103560118
the biggest cucktuber overload yet

>>103536289 (OP)
Good op.

>>103560395
now this is cuckracing!

>>103560395
Mozzu should do another ASMR at the same time and blow them out of the water with her numbers

>>103560395
mozzu wasn't invited?

>>103560488
ah a fellow ancientfag

>>103560395
Mario kart sux.

>>103560567
She sent her DEI rep

>>103560395
a bunch of literal whores and literal whos again
kanna should stop hosting events

>>103560497
she is in the lore drop team with pina and emuri

>>103560676
and her backstabbing rep

>>103560673
still buttblasted you got marked by Elia eh Mozzu

>>103560752
Elia pissed on Mozzu?!

>>103560395
It's nice to see Roca active again

>>103560395
You forgot "NAME HERE".

>>103560395
fuck them all

>>103560395
Mono is going to win it, she's a real gamer

>>103561204
shut up swirldrop

>>103560395
no kawaii gen1-2 girls again? why does kanna hate them?

>>103561287
Nene is there

>>103561287
>>103561367
kekolds

>>103561367
because she's friends with pillow, she's in every event
kanna doesnt invite the other kawaii girls

>>103561399
Tell them to publicly complain about it then

>>103561399
not associating with those disgusting whores is actually a good thing

>>103561458
shee did when she got rejected from vsmp

>>103561496
Thanks to her sacrifice sheeicho2 got into vsmp 2.

>>103561494
You are Jamal.

>>103561494
not for them obviously

>still seething about the only gachi/unicorn friendly idol corpo
it's so obvious that the posters here are jealous whores

>>103561612
vallure?

>>103561636
whores aren't and can't be unicorn friendly

>>103560395
No ferumi? I can understand no nemo because she's caustic and a PR nuke waiting to go off but ferumi?

>>103561684
fatrumi would try to get nemo in

>>103561810
nemo isn't allowed

>>103561843
and that's why they didn't invite fatrumi

>>103560808
one positive reply about the event btw, this is the state of /corpo/

>>103561860
Its all Asshegu samefagging

>>103561684
>PR nuke waiting to go off
she's more like Chernobyl ever since her corpo died

>>103560395
>>103560118
Mozzu should host her own Mario Kart Tournament at the same date and time and show them all up

>>103561810
I hope she's not kneecapping herself and refusing attending big events and collabs because she can't bring nemo along.

>>103561924
based asseghu

>>103561860
no one likes that grimsharts whore and the whores she invited, why would we get excited

>>103561953
I'm sure the cuckboxes are excited, their cuckchairs literally shaking

>>103561986
Tomomi isn't taking part in the whore event

>>103562037
she's busy with the ratboy on a desk

>>103561924
yep, indeed

>>103562078
>>103561924
How can you tell his posts from the /vrt/ schizo?

>>103562551
keywords, themes, such as:
>drop names of chatters that frequent retro vtubers
>falseflag as said chatters
>accuse others of being said chatters
>bring up mozzu, nemo or blaise, shiki or yura
>retroon (the most important)
>blown out
>kekold
>keked
>whore
>kek lmeow
>male collab
>x*keks
>cuckx*
>grim for
>homo collaber
>creativity
>bloom
>hugbox
>pedokek
>you forgot your tripcode
>x** onahole
*= fanbase name added as prefix or suffix to cuck or kek
**= TVA usually
To be fair though there's another mozzu anti who is obsessed but he literally just sticks to mozzu and crying about TVA people

>>103562828
mindbroken kekold LMAO

>>103562828
Based thank you

>>103563214
I've studied you, you are my pet, this thread is your little cage

>>103563399
remove the mental chastity belt your mother locked you in and be a man

>>103562551
Isn't that you?

>>103563214
pot black kettle

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>103562828
you've shaken him

isnt roko crippled, why is she good at jumping

>>103562828
This is an execution

Man, tomoe carmine is do cute.....

>>103567461
Reminder that the supposed obsessed schizo that was "constantly" harassing her had like 15 tweets in total over the span of a month.

>>103567518
Are you saying Sentenno was the one harassing her?

>>103567518
laughably schizo post.
jfc dude, even if it wasn't obvious who you are, do you think messaging someone every other day is insufficient for harassment?

grim

>>103567716
what's wrong anon?

>>103567699
keep laughing shipmate. this charade of yours can't go on forever

mozzu "blocked" the schizo
yet I still see all the regular schizos in her chat during streams and on freechat
curious

>>103567737
>>103567748
The schizo has a pass it seems.

>>103567774
Getting haunted by schizos is poetic justice for the crimes of her parents imo.

>>103567774
You're just seeing vrg.

>>103567774
kekold

>>103553453
who the fuck is this vdere trash I swear I forgot she existed lmao fucking failure

>>103568006
she's actaully pretty good. your loss, fag

>>103568006
she is nice

>>103568006
>forgot alphabetta existed
Mozzu, that you?

Hemmi is black...

>>103568233
i hope she can find a better corpo

>>103568294
I've never seen a black guy named Simeon. Sounds a little too similar to simian.

Maybe there are some Ethiopian Jews named that.

>>103567518
Wasn't Mozzu going on Hiatus?

>>103569132
she is such a woman, and not in the good, endearing way

>>103569174
Every other vtuber showed their true colors by not supporting Mozzu at that time. Only fucking Pippa stepped up in the end.

>>103568716
Cody knows Hebrew names

>>103569250
Mozzu should phase where she belongs.

>>103569665
>mozzu and nemo in the same corpo same gen
Not going to happen. Sakana knows better.

>>103569783
>Sakana knows better.
He hired Kana.

>>103569783
imagine

>>103568294
because of the nose?

>>103569132
This is pretty much the confirmation of the anti talking point that says she doesn’t give a shit about anyone not in her inner circle, isn’t it?

>>103569808
she doesn't really care about them either

>>103569783
Mozzu doesn't play League.

>>103569902
I don't think they would give a shit if she played her usual retro games

how do I tell boss I need her

fucking Mozzu News Network with this faggot relying every piece of worthless information from her offline chat, kill yourself already

>>103570001
That sleepy girl already does retro mozzu wouldn't want to do them too + they get bad numbers.

>>103569897
kek

triptranny seethe

>>103570058
shut the fuck up asseghu

>>103569897
God can you picture trying to pity farm publicly and getting flooded with DMs of everyone independently saying everyone hates you so they can't publicly give you any support?

>>103570058
We used to bully your kind for a reason

>>103570131
Nigga that's the quintessential anti

>>103570150
I thought it was sentenno?

>>103570139
can you imagine failing to even pity-farm successfully and having to act like people were pitying you in private

>>103570058
Mozzu-by-proxy is the only entertaining thing happening in /corpo/.

>>103570073
Sleepy mostly does bing bing wahoos and rpgs while Mozzu does more strategy and shooters. There overlap would be minimal and numbers would automatically be increased with the phase buff.

>>103569897
Are the people telling her that implicated in some DM exchanges, where they talk about other vtubers in less than flattering ways?

>>103570139
Are Kanna and Vallure really that powerful?

>>103570193
No, it's the only thing the schizo allows to be posted because he eggs on that shit, anything else is met with his insults/keywords
>>103570143
You are mentally raped by Mozzu therefore it's impossible for you to bully anyone but chuubas that are not here

>>103570276
the difference is that sleepy is good enough for phase connect and mozzu is not.

keked tripfag melty

>>103570284
Your use of the comma is retarded btw

I want to be mentally raped by Mozzu. Physically too.

>>103570354
shut the fuck up you brainrotted gooner and stop sexualizing mozzu

>>103570353
You lost lil bro

>>103570381
he did get you though

>>103570306
It's Isla and other exkawaii they still haven't forgiven her for killing Kawaii so they badmouth her in private to everyone.

>>103570381
sorry but antischizo is right, I thought you were having a stroke

>>103570403
No he, did not.

tripfag is a closeted mite, it was revealed to me, in a dream

>>103570381
Could you repost that schizo comment because I couldn't understand what you were trying to say either

the virgin minimalist punctuation acolyte, vs. the chad superfluous comma user

Pam’s stream D/C’d and she’s really upset atm

besides mozzu who are the best lolcows in small (ex)corpo vtubing?

I am very bitter but fortunately not revengeful, though I feel I should be how I am.

>>103570353
Are you arguing that "Are the people telling her that implicated in some DM exchanges?" is not a proper sentence? You might want to brush up on English grammar.

>>103570535
pekoe, blaise, nemo

>>103570546
revengeful towards who? you put yourself in the position you are in

>>103570564
tell me about pekoe

bit uplifting that some of you are quite funny actually

>>103570564
vdere gen 3

So I saw Mozzu did asmr last night. How was it

>>103570584
why does she wear the mask

>>103570601
she prayed quietly to god for salvation for all people on earth. it was very wholesome and chaste, like a good christian should be.

>>103570601
porny

>>103570644
porn for the soul, not for your disgusting penis (ew)

>>103570698
why are you thinking about dicks

>>103570793
I would go for a spotted dick right about now, but it's a bit late.

no one is crueler to women than gay men

>>103570564
Pekoe is not a lolcow

>>103570920
For them, women are the "non-essential personnel".

>>103570535
tomomi is hilariously fragile but it is better to go after goobi, bossy and daiya to get to her too

>>103570926
Cody, don't bite the bait

what a nothing thread

>>103571082
You shouldn't call for harassment man

>>103571276
perfect for a nothing board

>>103571216
Alright

>>103570625
You mean the sleep mask to cover her eyes?

>>103569897
it's honestly so funny to me that mozzu is doing the same thing to elia that she did to menace

>>103571347
So Cody admits Nemo is a lolcow.

>>103571426
If I pull that off, will she die?

>>103571459
What is she doing to Elia?

>>103571318
this board really is dead outside sea hours. it's saturday night don't tell me you're out clubbing

>>103571528
>be close friends with someone for a long time
>become jealous that they're better than you at something
>become an ardent opponent of that thing
>sever ties with long term friend
>become an ardent supporter of that thing
>still be mediocre at it
with menace, it's coombaiting. with elia, it's pitybaiting. it's pottery.

>>103571276
we are keked lmeows

>>103571568
>>>be close friends with someone for a long time
>>become jealous that they're better than you at something
>>become an ardent opponent of that thing
>>sever ties with long term friend
>>become an ardent supporter of that thing
>>still be mediocre at it
none of these are applicable to elia btw

>>103571637
elia was a founding member of vdere and joined in on her walkout of production kawaii and i'm sorry but elia is absolutely better than mozzu at pitybaiting

>>103571518
No, but she would probably be irritated or maybe she would let you keep that one and just get another from her dresser.

>>103568627
Simeon Niger?

>>103571715
they've never been friend
they split because of the male collabing and the direction each of them wanted to take vdere to
she's never been an ardent opponent of pitybaiting, she supported elia in freechat during her pitybaiting ("anonymous heh I hope you are using a throwaway paypal account too") and she has always been pitybaiting in alts and freechat too
also she is not worse than elia at it, it's different kinds of pitybaiting, one public for widespread support and one private for innercircle support

>>103571951
why was she in vdere to begin with

>>103571997
>elia was a founding member of vdere and joined in on her walkout of production kawaii
are you retarded?
also elia was the life support of vdere for months, she bought all the numbers and the connections after the walkout

>>103571951
How does ekko fit into all of this?

>>103572047
Who was the other one who dropped out?

>>103572041
both factual statements

>>103572125
my point is she didn't join vdere because she was a friend of mozzu, vdere exists because elia mozzu and spica (and airi too I guess) decided it was a financially sounds decision

>>103572240
>minor spelling mistake
fuck my life

>>103572240
>financially sounds decision
i accept your concession

People with agendas suck. If you guys don't wanna hang you can go to hell.

>>103572240
Kind of, as far as I understand the situation the other three were ready to leave without her and elia didn't want to be the sole survivor of enchantesia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2HA_MYpxis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2HA_MYpxis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2HA_MYpxis

>>103572348
Tell us more Cody lore then.

>>103572527
kekold (japan)

>>103573204
>>103573204
>>103573204

back in my day wojakposters were nuked out of the sky

>>103571951
>they've never been friend
oof the esl