Thread 103608441

Why didn't Myth and Promise have this level of camaraderie?

>>103608441 (OP)
Myth had 3 of the most autistic streamers the world has ever seen.
Most of Council were genuinely awful and unpleasant.

>>103608441 (OP)
I would think it would be pretty obvious that Advent and Justice were built upon lessons learned from how management messed up Myth and CouncilRyS/Promise. Advent and Justice were given plenty of time in Japan to bond before being released to the world.

Little to no effort was made to build friendships between them before debut. Contrast this with Justice in particular where they had ample time to interact and cc and gg seemed like old friends right on debut.

>>103608441 (OP)
their unit cohesion was so fucking bad that it made niji en look good at the time (the 2021-2022 grim era). i'm glad we finally have advent and justice to make holo en more enjoyable to watch

>>103608441 (OP)
>disregards the years of MC kino

>>103608840
>>103608569
>>103608530
Advent and CoucilRyS had/have great chemistry but Justice has even less chemistry than Myth had. CC and GG are the only ones that have chemistry ERB only cares about homo cock and nothing else and Raora doesnt have chemistry with anyone besides maybe kronii

>>103609994
CC has better chemistry with Bae than GG

>>103609994
Raora has unironically great chemistry with CC but she can’t keep up with the autofister banter during Justice collabs

>>103608441 (OP)
Advent's collabs are depressingly dull, and others clearly agree, because people with three times the subs as somebody else doing something similar shouldn't be in the "how many of those views are bots" territory.

>>103608441 (OP)
Management.
Myth and Promise had to do everything themselves, meanwhile Cover organized bootcamps and team exercises since Gen 6.
It's really that easy.

>>103610837
It's because all the Advent and Justice collabs feel (and are) forced.
(remining) Myth and Promise doesn't have the same "Power Rangers team" feeling to it, but they seem like good colleagues who went through thick and thin together, so they are more real and entertaining.

>>103609994
Advent members have the chemistry of a blind raccoon driving a Ferrari. I even think that KurosanjiEN first gen had more chemistry, and those bitches hated each other.

>>103609994
You dont watch them.

>>103612360
You're right. Why would I want to bore myself to death?

>>103608441 (OP)
Its easy to be an angel in paradise
They have the benefit or cozy workflow / systems that were built for them

>>103610837
Personally speaking, Advent in general has just stopped being fun over the last several months for various reasons:
>Shiori went mask off as a scheming bitch
>Nerissa keeps spending more time letting ERB leech off of her than she does interacting with Advent (or the Jailbirds, for the matter)
>FWMC are completely delusional and obsessed with pandering to JP
Biboo is still fine, I guess. But she has better chemistry with other people that aren't in Advent, like Kaela.

>>103608441 (OP)
Kiara's already talked about this: Myth (and to a lesser, but still present, degree, Promise) come onto the scene when COVID was still a big deal, so they weren't able to meet in person and form irl friendships.

>>103608441 (OP)
That shit is fake retard.

Here are the people who have chemistry together in advent/justice.
CC/GG
Fuwa/Moco
The end.

Gura could use her autismo power to wrangle basically everyone in the first two gens and have chemistry with them.
Everything went to shit when she stopped streaming because cover wanted her to do the garbage Fuwamoco is doing now.

>>103612951
Kronii probably would have become full blown EN Matsuri if covid wasn't happening with her mental state at the start.

>>103608441 (OP)
>>103608530
>>103608569
>>103608840
>>103609994
You guys realize the whole "watch along for official content" is a management idea that they didn't start doing until 2023, well after both Myth/Counci debuted, right?
>>103610837
>Outfit reveal gets slightly worse than what is ostensibly just a watchalong that adds nothing to the content that is being watched
>"C-clearly people don't like Advent collabs!!"
>"Th-they must be getting viewbotted!"
Are all Mintfags this retarded or is it just you specifically?
Try comparing numbers to a stream where they're actually the main-focus

>>103613430
>Implying nobody in justice has chemistry with Raroa/ERB
>Implying nobody in advent besides Fuwamoco have chemistry
>Implying Gura's awkward in insular ass could "wrangle" anybody
God this post REEKS of touristbud who stopped watching HoloEN after 2020

>>103608530
Such a dumb take when every gen has members getting along better with councilrys than their own gen

>>103613430
>Gura
You're kidding, right? That lazy bitch fucked off so much that not even her genmates knew where she was half the time. Not to mention that Kiara had to drag her kicking and screaming into collabs

>>103613430
>Gura could use her autismo power to wrangle
The rest is also retarded but I can't even maintain my suspension of disbelief after this line

>>103608441 (OP)
Myth and Councilrys got natural chemistry you just know who loves each other company while new gens are corpo mandated groups.
We have seen it already with HoloX before now we can't barely see any HoloX collabs.
BTW Advent can't even reach Myth numbers at their lowest point as 5 and Promise/Council at their peak got the best chemistry by a landslide.
Anyway Advent needs it since they probably can't survive solo they rely too much on the box

>>103608441 (OP)
I genuinely have never cared for Advent's full group chemistry and it's surprising to me that anons praise it so much. It's not bad and i'm not some retard trying to get you to think they hate eachother, i just don't think it's better than any of the other gens at their best.

>>103613703
These "people" don't watch streams and it shows.

A lot of retards are confusing camaraderie with chemistry.
Nijien had a lot of chemistry, but now we know they had zero camaraderie.
Justice has one of the lowest levels of chemistry, but they Camaraderie level is probably the highest in all of HoloEN.

>>103613801
>Tourist
Only knows the last two years on her way out.

>>103608441 (OP)
I believe they did, but then they stopped collabing for ages at a time and forgot how to be around each other. Everyone who says they had no chemistry has forgotten too. At one time, there was genuine warmth.

>>103617861
>Moving the goalpost
I've been here since the beginning btw. She spent far more time ghosting everybody than anything else

geez, I really wonder who has more chemistry with other members. A full gen of autismos or a gen full of genuinely well-socialized entertainers. I can't understand how you can ever come with the conclusion that Myth ever had better than chemistry than Justice or even Advent unless you were socially inept/retarded.

Myth be like:
>Calli: weirdo weeb white woman who made incredibly self-unaware, cringe rap music. has said that she often worries how much her friends actually enjoy spending time with her, implying a persistent underlying insecurity that interferes with making and keeping close friends.
>Kiara: INSECURITY personified. you could smell her mental issues from a mile away. when you really pay attention to her in group dynamics, you notice that a lot of her behavior is modeled to try farming comradery or reassurance from others. she also sometimes oversteps by acting closer with others than their actual friendship warrants, which is the quickest way to make someone uneasy around you. is it any wonder that she's Gen 1 and yet has no notable friendships with other members? you have baerys, biboo and kaela, kronii and kaela, CCGG, gigi and mori, raora and cecilia... but virtually NOTHING for Kiara. it's so bad she resorted to simping indies like Minto because nobody in her corp treats her anything more than a casual friend or acquaintance.
>Gura: not terrible when you look at it in totality. she's super hit or miss, though. with some, like Ame, she clicks well. with others though, she's a total nervous wreck and clueless. definitely lacks a big amount of social skills.
>Ame: she's neat. you can see her continuing to get along with others into her indie career. she graduated tho so I'm not counting this.
>Ina: average hikikomori. she's super introverted and doesn't always feel comfortable around others. she has shit or dry chemistry with literally ANYONE not named "Cecilia Immergreen", who's literally known for her extroversion and sociability. (name me ONE person Cecilia struggled to get along with. you can't. she mogs everyone before Advent by a huge margin.)

>>103608441 (OP)
Advent and Justice got to know each other months before debut

>>103608441 (OP)
Myth was united until Watson got involved with the homo then went absent
Council have Bea, the worst leader of all holo gen

>>103616208
>justice highest camaraderie
>it's only cc and gg doing stuff together all the time and not including raora and erb

>>103608441 (OP)
>myth
Mori is an unpleasant narcissist to be around
>promise
Genuinely just a broken gen with no core remaining. Now that core turned out to be rotten in the end too.

>>103620880
raora and cecilia get along extremely well

erb is kinda a weak link tho agreed

>>103621079
She can't keep up with their banter but she seems rather fond of the other Justice girls

>>103621079
GG loves Rara as well, remember how hard she shilled for her 3D.

>>103621079
It makes sense tho she's supposed to be the tard Wrangler of the group
Is the only group in Holo where the Leader is recognized as one

>>103622177
true, but it's kind of odd when it goes past a persona gimmick. friendgroups don't really have "leaders" in a way Liz is often portrayed as. it feels as though members of Justice don't really relate to Liz as a friend or on a real personal level, at least not as much as they do with each other or members from other Gens.

there's obv nothing wrong with people not being super close with everyone. it's just something that's not even hard to notice if you're looking at it.

>>103620880
It's unrealistic to expect all members of a unit to be best friends.
Camaraderia is about unity and working toward the same goal, regardless of personal relationships.
NijiEN had a group chemistry that surpasses HoloEN today, but everyone stabbed each other in the back and had no sense of camaraderie.
Justice and Advent give the impression of being groups where, regardless of friendship, the rest of the group "has your back."

>>103622289
Other members talk about how sweet she is in person. She has Fuwamoco levels of being in character, so I doubt her personal relationships are the same as they are in the stream.
I'm sure the same goes for Fuwamoco.

>>103608441 (OP)
Actual, genuine newfag.

>>103622520
you can be a sweet person and not have a lot of friends. i think Liz is nice and she gets along well with others off-stream and everything, but she doesn't strike me as someone who made any deep connections in the company. we don't often hear about her hanging out with Holomems IRL like we do for Biboo, Mori, or CC. which, again, is fine. it's stupid to hold a streamer to your standards of how they should conduct their personal life.

Another thinly veiled Advent seethe thread?
Must be a slow day for you guys over there in Manila.

Remember when Promise did an awkward musical and it kinda felt like none of them wanted to be there?

>>103622775
irys is the glue of promise. kronii likes irys, bae likes irys, bae and kronii dont give a shit about each other. fauna (after kronii fiasco) and mumei were floater friends.

>>103622775
delusional

>>103623214
It was awkward as hell, under-promoted and immediately forgotten.

>>103622864
I think Bae and Kronii are closer than people realize, they just give the impression they aren't close.

Myth and Promise are genuinely better now that they have ever been. Now if only [insert your favourite Kiara ship here] were to have sex with Kiara to calm her down, everything would be perfect.

>>103608569
>>103608586
>>103608840
>>103609994
>>103611616
>>103618978
>Justice
Justice only has cohesion if ERB isn't there. Even with the bonding time in Japan, you'll still see a whole different world of Justice with ERB compared to Justice without ERB. See HoloGTA for example. Autofister is good, Raviolin is good, RRGG is rare but aight. The fact that ERB doesn't even have a pair name with any other Justice member is kinda bad for her. Compare that to Advent
>Shiboo
>ShioRaven
>Jewelbird
>Diamond Dogs
>Soundhound
All pairs except Shiori-FwMc had a pair name from the get go
>>103612831
>>Shiori went mask off as a scheming bitch
>>Nerissa keeps spending more time letting ERB leech off of her than she does interacting with Advent (or the Jailbirds, for the matter)
It's such a shame. I doubt Shiori would have homocollabed had ERB not been an homoshitter. She even tried to take Nerissa down with her.

>>103608441 (OP)
LMAO each one of Advent doesn't even like to collab 1 on 1 with each other.
Preferred collab partner list
Biboo > Kaela
Nerissa > ERB/Mumei
FWMC > any JP is better than any EN
Shiori > Jurard

>>103610444
Raora is ESL please understando.

>>103613572
>You guys realize the whole "watch along for official content" is a management idea that they didn't start doing until 2023, well after both Myth/Counci debuted, right?
https://www.youtube.com/live/UxtiiavU7PI?si=R3JT-0-c21eGoc6v

>>103619897
>listing Ame, but ignoring the elephant in the room

>>103623420
They're both close friend with Mori. It's natural that they should be closer than they show on screen. Probably the case of on-screen bad chemistry.

>>103620880
I mean...its pretty hard to keep up with CCGG. It seems like that level of energy comes pretty natural to them or they are such good professionals that you can't feel the effort. They did an entire play with probably just ideas on a paper just days ago. ERB can sing nicely but she is mostly used as the straight man that can't escape that role and Raora has to translate everything on the spot to keep up

>>103618843
Sorry which one is the gen of well socialized entertainers?

>>103619897
What did Shiori do as a leader?

>>103624475
definitely not myth

>>103624558
She carries tupperware to take home the food Biboo orders but can't finish.

>>103624588
Imho Justice > Promise > Justice > Myth in terms of being functioning and well socialized.

>>103608441 (OP)
The problem of Myth is that it had too many leaders in Mori, Kiara and Ame.
Promise was the opposite in that they had no leader material.

>>103624657
you put Justice twice but if you replace Justice in 3rd place with Advent I mostly agree. You can honestly argue about Promise and Advent.

Justice and Myth are like world's apart in this department tho. Anyone who disagrees is retarded or hasn't talked to a human outside in 10 years.

>>103624385
>but ignoring the elephant in the room
But enough about Calli

>>103624818
Yes, that was the joke.

>>103608441 (OP)
Advent onwards had months of prep while Myth and Promise literally had no idea what they were doing.

>>103624558
She's lucky cuz advent are very disciplined. Yuri bait with nerissa for a while

>>103616208
>expecting anons to understand english
you're asking too much here

>>103608569
Fpbp
/thread

That said, Hololive really dropped the ball with Gura. They had a greatness thats now gone, and we're not sure how much of it is her fault, and how much of it is JP corpo incompetence.

>>103625143
I wonder if during the prep phase for Advent and Justice if there was someone who got dropped because they were too much of a bitch to get along with the others. It's one of the things that can be detected and tested for by having them all hang out with each other.
Maybe that's why Justice only has 4 members

>>103624232
So when will you actually start watching streams because you clearly don't

>>103624232
Let me help you
>Biboo > Mori
>Nerissa > Gigi
>FWMC > Nerissa
>Shiori > Zeta

Gen "unity" only last so long until you find other people you connect with better outside your gen. So eventually Gen only collabs become less and less common. On top of that different goals also divert from Gen unity.
For example Fuwamoco wants to be big in Japan so they hang out with the JP crowd alot, but no one else in Advent cares about that. So Fuwamoco has to hang out with the JP crowd on they own. Bijou somewhat wants to be popular with the JP crowd, but is not putting in the effort on the level of Fuwamoco. And at the end of the day she just connects better with Kaela than any of her genmates.
Shiori wants to hang out with Homos, but of course no one else is gonna join her in doing this so she has to do it alone/with holoID. Nerissa wants to do the singing stuff and would rather have her gay ass family on stream than fellow Holomen, she also doesn't like games that much so she her collab options are slim.

>>103624090
>The fact that ERB doesn't even have a pair name with any other Justice member is kinda bad for her
Lizotto bros...

>>103625889
Biboo and Mori ain't friends no more, Mori ditched Biboo for Gigi because Gigi the new big thing. That charity stream that "Tombstone" did was boring as fuck because they clearly not into each other nomore.

>>103626031
A-tier fanfiction, you are 100% not a delusional loser freak

>>103626067
Aside from that forced charity stream, when the last time Bijou and Mori did a 1 on 1 collab?

>>103624090
>The fact that ERB doesn't even have a pair name with any other Justice member is kinda bad for her
Fiddleflame bros...

>Myth
The group had the issue of consisting of the trinity of wallflowers, pre-leangate Mori who just saw Hololive as a quick gig and didn't put much effort into bonding with the others, and Kiara who was hounded by antis and her insecurity. Combine that with being spread across three-four vastly differing timezones, and no wonder their ability to bond was hamstrung. That said, since it took a large amount of effort for them to bond, all of them bought into it eventually and resulted in a tight knit group against all odds.
>Council
Council started off much stronger, actually, and they also included IRyS from very early on. I distinctly remember Council collabs being heralded as the superior bond over Myth when it was just the two gens. Their problems came later on.

>>103626113
idk man, remember that one time Mori went on a literal vacation trip with CC, Gigi, and Biboo? She sure ditched Biboo there by willingly spending time with her while cooling off from work. What a bitch for doing that.

>>103621079
Erb literally feels like another mori in that regard to me.
Awkward humor just makes them seem to not fit in

>>103608441 (OP)
Cover improved their hiring process

>>103626197
She went on vacation with Gigi, She allowed CC and Biboo to tag along. And really she probably only let CC join because because she's also starting to gain some popularity with the viewers.

>>103626004
>Lizotto
>>103626125
>Fiddleflame
Nta but i have legitimately never heard of these or anyome use these

>>103626225
ERB in general feels like early Mori in the sense that it is "my way or high way*

>>103626419
Well that's because ERB never collabs with them

>>103626419
I looked it uo in the archives and all "lizzotto" mentions come from one fag in /innit/, meaning he has braindamage by default and all fiddleflame mentions are related to a dumb list some fags made about tumblr shit and fanfics

>>103625143
Myth has been at it for 5 years by now, they should have got their shit together by now so stop blaming the months of prep.
As if spending time together builds friendship.

>>103626430
Based. Not everyone has to be a conformist

>>103626419
Ultimately, just like the anon above me said, she doesn't really collab too often 1 on 1. In fact, unless I'm misremembering she really did do only one 1 on 1 collab with each genmate. The only people she did more than 1 collab were Kiara and Nerissa.

>>103626687
She's done 3 with Gigi which is tied for the most she's done with anyone along with Kiara and Nerissa but you are right on the other two.

Only a retard who has never watched a single collab would say Raora doesn't have great chemistry with Cecilia, she's also great with Gigi but they don't collab a lot. Fact of the matter is that Justice, some members especially, makes retards on this board seethe and they have to resort to making things up to anti them.

>>103626662
>>103626687
It's one thing to be non-conformist, it's a whole other thing to put your own needs and wants above those of the others to such degrees that it is all about you rather than the group. That's egocentric rather than non-conformist. The perfect example of this is her tweet
>my kingdom, my show, my rules tweet.
It gives off the same vibe as that Mori cuck art tweet after the condom money sc. If you're gonna be so contrarian due to your own ego, then what's the point in joining Hololive?
>>103626687
>The only people she did more than 1 collab ... Nerissa.
That's right, and in the second collab she dropped the homo mention despite very well knowing that Nerissa does not want anything to do with them.

>>103609994
You clearly don't watch streams and not clips.
Raora has great chemistry with CC and despite we see not so many collabs with Justice, ERB is really friendly and present with all the girls IRL. Outside of Justice, Raora is friend with Kiara, Nerissa, Biboo, Mori, Moona and Kronii.
Everytime ERB comes in Japan, Holomems are so happy because everybody know how sweet she is and they know they'll have good times, especially the ID members. Also she is pretty much present in every stream chats, even JP.

>>103626745
Oh shit, you're right, she did do 3 with GG, and their last one was 10 months ago, which is also the latest one with a genmate. Damn...

>>103626894
Being friendly with someone ≠ being friends with someone. ERB is friends only with the homos, Ollie, arguably Roboco and maybe Kiara. And you are correct that everybody always talks about how sweet she is but with those people she is being friendly rather than being friends. Especially with the JPs, there is too much of a langauge barrier

>>103626988
Only Armpiss homos, the twink and the clown homos btw. The other four? Not so much

>>103626988
You forgot Nerissa, also we don't have IRL records of Shiori, but they collabed with the homos too.

>>103627092
I did not forget Nerissa. Nerissa respects ERB a lot for her talent but she is not "friends" with her. Every where they went, there was always someone with them because Nerissa knows that as soon as they are alone, that the conversation will fall flat. CC went with them to dinner and to a shrine at night, FuwaMoco went with them to Joypolis, Raora was always with them at the studio and went with them to dinner, etc.

>>103627189
>every where they went, there was always someone with them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_q2wBVpAgg

Just don't ever talk again

>>103608441 (OP)
Because everything in Hololive became more scripted, watered down and fake after 2022.

>>103608569
They were watching Advent Children together on Discord before that. They just clicked well from the start.

>Advent
>anything but FWMC + 3
is camaraderie in the room with us right now?

>>103627400
you don't watch any of them vspotard

>>103622589
You are just writing fanfiction.

>>103626837
But it was her stream. It was her 3D showcase. It was centered around her inside jokes.

>>103608441 (OP)
Advent and Justice actually had attention and support from management and the girls that came before while Myth/Council were mostly cut off or had Omegatard running the show.

>>103626338
They visited Beebs home country and without CC Mori wouldn't even had made it on the plane.

>>103627258
Just continue reading anon

>>103627258
Very leechy of her to only mention Nerissa every time and never someone else. She is THAT desparate for BloodRaven fags to remain relevant, including the need to add Nerissa somehow in her 3D

>>103627986
I said, don't talk ever again. You say things without posting any clips. It doesn't matter what you say if the talents say the opposite. You didn't even mention the Karaoke.

>>103626837
>my kingdom, my show, my rules
There is genuinely nothing wrong with that statement.

>>103628032
Question was about her.

>>103624090
deets on Shiori? What did she do?

>>103608441 (OP)
>t. Advent toddler that don't know what Minecraft kino even means because he never experienced even an ounce of it

>>103628032
>including the need to add Nerissa somehow in her 3D
Did you watch a single one of the Justice 3Ds? Nerissa appeared in all of them and in fact she had by far the least presence in ERB's, where her model only appeared briefly as a visual-only gag.

>>103624264
English is CCs third language and she managed just fine with the barbies back in the day and manages perfectly fine with Gigi now, Roara has no excuse, she's been spiggin' da English for years.

>>103612831
What did Shiori do?

>>103628610
She's just bad at learning languages, she's been living in Japan for years now, she didn't start learning japanese until recently and her english (main language she used for all this time abroad) is serviceable, being able to speak italian myself i can see where some of her slip ups come from but damn, sometimes she just mixes up basic pronunciation/spelling.
In the keyboard game she spelled blue in italian (without the last e) and then when writing immergreen pronounced "i" as "e" (because that's the italian sound)

>>103627516
>>103628082
It's not about the 3D. It'a about the tweet and about boundaries. There is nothing wrong with having personal boundaries. The problem is that she doesn't respect those of others, Nerissa being one for example with the homomention, in their 1-on-1 collab on ERB's channel, where Nerissa was visibly annoyed. The other problem is that, despite everybody knowing already that she homocollabs, she felt the need to bite bait publicly, again

>>103628586
Nerissa in her member stream when someone said that she was in all 3D debuts immediately distanced herself from ERB and said that she wasn't no matter how anyone wants to twist or spin it. Yet ERB somehow still pulled Nerissa into her stuff regardless for BloodRaven-brownie points

The whole point of handgestures is that you don't have to learn other languages.

>>103629125
>>103629172
absolute schizo exaggerating the reactions of holomem as always.

>>103628610
Cece learned French at a relatively young age, that's going to help a lot with later language acquisition, even as an adult
>>103628869
Didn't Raora mention she only started learning English 4 years ago? So her level is pretty good all things considered

>>103608441 (OP)
Promise had the opposite problem, they got too close to each other and one of them leaving the group sex sessions was all it took to ruin it

>>103629200
NTA but I admit I was very surprised Nerissa was not in ERB's 3d.

My personal rrat is that ERB had invited some people, probably Nerissa/Shiori/Justice based on her collabs, but they turned her down because of the homos.
ERB's tweet was about the girls not wanting to work with men and ERB defending her creative choice, and it was not about unicorns.

>>103608441 (OP)
Advent is the anomaly in that they actually still have unit/gen cohesion, EN gen 3 is a golden gen even amount all vtubers man.
Though I say that, it might look great on the surface it's not without it's flaws, Shiori is really weird and asocial, Nerissa is shit at games so in collab games she kinda just does her own thing. Same with FWMC, feels like while they keep it nice and cordial Fuwawa kinda sinks into the background only giggling. Biboo really is the super star, seems to be down for anything and is still doubling all of EN streaming in terms of hours.

>>103629217
Mmmh not really, 4 years is a long ass time, especially if you're in a foreign country and that language is the only one you can use to communicate, it probably doesn't help being in Japan where the majority of people are even worse at speaking english, but that's not an excuse. (also looking at her PL she had to have known some english even before moving to JP)

>>103629314
It wouldn't make much sense for Shiori to turn her down in that case though? Also pretty sure ERB has straight up said she didn't invite Nerissa because she knew she was in all 3 of the other Justice debuts and didn't want to overwork her. The real oddity is the lack of RBC but I guess that was just down to scheduling?

>>103629557
>ERB has straight up said she didn't invite Nerissa because she knew she was in all 3 of the other Justice debuts and didn't want to overwork her.

Nah I am calling bullshit on ERB for this.

>>103629314
Justice couldn't invite each other because they started working on the shows before scheduling was made and didn't want any spoiler/stealing the spotlight. Shiori literally played games with them several times at this point. It's weird that Nerissa didn't perform but she did appear technically. The most plausible theory is that she went for talents that were not gonna be invited in other debuts

>>103629658
>Justice couldn't invite each other because they started working on the shows before scheduling was made and didn't want any spoiler/stealing the spotlight
Shiori had advent appear in her 3d live as voices, GG had justice as cardboard cutouts.

>but she did appear technically.
That was kanauru

>>103619897
Promise becomes broken when Bae doesn't want to wrangle her genmates properly. This happened in late 2022-early 2023. When Fauna made her first JP visit, that shit was a nightmare to Bae and Moom. Also, Kronii's relationship with Fauna started crumbling in that year.
Bae as a leader organized all shit for her gen if (You) look back on early Council time with Moom as her shadow leader. When she is busy preparing for her JP shed and dance activity, no one wants to take the mantle to continue the monthly gen collabs.
Bae's a tard wrangler of council/promise.

>>103618840
>Ignoring the first 2.5 years of her kino collabs.
With the many JP members, and participating in many of their 3D Lives. The many collabs songs instead of her own. Kaela's collabs caused many Westerners to watch ID. The first to reach out to Council, breaking the no collab rule with Mumei. Gura was the tide that lifted all boats.
Then Cover fucked it all up, causing her to leave and start the Ash Again song.

>>103629702
>>103619897
Bae has always been just a normal girl in a world bigger than her, she deserved better.

>>103629217
>>103629476
More like 5/6 years now. Considering that she didn’t take classes, her english isn’t that bad. It could be way better though.
I wouldn’t consider her Japanese skills since she started to learn the language just recently

>>103629723
>Bae´s anxiety comes from her blaming herself for Council collapsing

I like this rrat.

>>103611616
Agreed. That's why the collabs are 2hrs long.

>>103629608
And there you have it, no matter what, she's the bad guy.

>>103629771
That's without a doubt what happened imho. She blamed herself for council failing, she blamed herself for not fixing krofau, and she blamed herself for not being able to save moom.

Hopefully promise will treat her better going forward.

>>103629200
Absolute Rosefags and beggars defending ERB for her nonsense

>>103629314
ERB said the reason why no other EN girls where in her 3D is because they were already"taken" by other Justice Girls for their 3D debut (she said something like "they organized it really early in time"), so this leads to 2 conclusions:
1) she didn't want to reuse the same girls so her 3D would be more "unique"
2) they were already working on the other 3D debuts
>>103629608
>it doesn't fit in my headcanon so it's not real!

>>103629693
yeah both times they did not appear 3d mocapped but as disembodied voices, recording a voiceline can be done whenever they do any recordings at the studio, they didn't appear because she didn't invite them.

>kanauru
they still have to get her approval to use her design, besides as other have said ERB already told why she was only a cameo

>>103613430
No way Gura handles Kronii, she is too intimidating for the poor shark, you saw that burger simulator collab right?
Not too sure about Bae either, feels like they are in different worlds.
Beyond that it would be hit or miss with Shiori, both say some unhinged things
Biboo is way to zoomer and loud for Gura
A collab with Nerissa I think will be boring as fuck filled with awkward silences
FWMC would not work, 2v1 not in sharky's favour
To be honest I like Gura would vibe with Liz even though I think Liz is kinda out of touch, but both seem like old souls who love to coast along
CC would be cordial
GG will drive the conversation a bit too much but will be fun
Raora will be also drive the conversation but will be too giggly or girly

>>103629702
fauna moom and bae rooming together in japan was late 2021. councilrys was still going strong through mid 2023 with the baeruto getting over it arc. everything fell apart sometime after that, probably when they were all in japan for the founding of promise. by early 2024 kronii had unpersoned fauna.

>>103618843
It's funny that you say that only Kiara has no notable friendships in hololive when Mori is the exact same situation.

>>103626656
Did you even read OP? He's asking why they don't have camaraderie with each other while Advent onwards do. And thats literally because those generations of holomems were too busy trying to figure what to do individually to focus on a group identity. To these holomems, the generation was just someone you debuted with and someone you occassionally collabed with if you like them or if it was mandatory. You can even see a bit of that in the early JP gens like Fantasy.

>>103629608
I mean it's stupid yeah, but it's entirely in character for ERB to do. The two of them will probably be glued together for awhile in major 3D performances so it kinda makes sense to not get too hung up on it not happening in the debut.

>>103618843
Made me realize literally all of Justice are extroverts. Liz is probably a diva, has singing gigs on the side, CC and GG are pretty established extroverts and the closest introvert is Raora, who's only introverted by Italian standards

>>103630050
>early JP gens like Fantasy
Gamers is really the exception that proves the rule with the early gens, and it's entirely from them having almost all known each other before even joining.
On that note, CCGG is notable for debuting with a friendship that feels almost as old and relaxed as fubumio or okakoro

The only duo that really, really works in HoloEN is CCGG, all the others are OK here and there but no other duo comes close to them on any aspect really. Like they really feel like friends and not just corporate-mandated coworkers unlike everyone else in HoloEN.

>>103622177
Tardd wrangler = unfunny hanger on who uses the :O face too much.

>>103608441 (OP)
Because Myth and Promise didn't have to fake it

>>103629608
So you just won't listen to anything other than "ERB bad", got it.

>>103630227
>corporate-mandated coworkers
Two people can be a boring streaming duo and still be friends

>>103630227
>twitter troon tourist take that only watches for GAY SEX

>>103630318
>>103629785
I unironically like, I think she's a great addition to holoen and her karaoke spam was good.
I just think she's saying that to keep bloodraven alive.

>>103629873
Funny, when I suggested that could be the case, dipshits thought "no, holos clearly have infinite time and energy so they could do all the shows!"

>>103629816
I'm not super familiar with Bae, but from what I know, she certainly seems the type to think this way. Hopefully one day she can accept that shit happens sometimes and it's not her fault.

>>103630324
Point taken anon, I should have phrased it better.

>>103630333
When will you stop thinking about trannies, anon?

>>103608586
Kiara and Mori hung out before debut, but with covid in affect and at the absolute height of GO HOME! at that time, it was far less than what you have with Advent or Justice. I think people forget, but Mori and Kiara worked together on each others releases and even buried the TakaMori stuff into their intro videos because they did talk a lot.

>>103630393
But what if it was her fault? what if she was the friend who suggest Fauna to twerk on Kronii?

>>103608441 (OP)
Different recruitment methods.
>Myth were just 5 random content creators who each ticked off their own niche, and all happened to debut for the company around the same time. They bonded over time once they got to know each other more, but it took time to get there, and by the time they were at full camaraderie, Gura, Ame and (for about a year) Calli were already looking at the door.
>Irys was thrown out there by herself and was stuck in limbo until she got handed Promise
>Council were forced into playing characters which didn't entirely suit them for the initial parts because of one dude with an ego who tried to upstage their debut. They had more time to build up initial connections, but only through video calls. Sana kind of served as the heart of the group, but when she tapped out early due to figuring out vtubing wasn't her thing, the other four just kind of spiralled now that all their plans had been trashed.

Advent and Justice got to hang out in person first and got to bond properly before making their debuts which meant they figured out what part they all played in advance and could debut already being able to play off each other.

And to be fair, it's kind of the same for the JP branches as well. The first gens were just random people who debuted at the same time. It was years before Gen 2 ever had an off collab, and at least two of them were late. Gamers worked because Korone and Okayu were already a pair before joining. It was only from Gen 3 onwards that the group were a unified unit before debuting.

The IDs just get along because they mostly all live near each other anyway, so just hang out all the time regardless. They are also never really expected to play into lore and characters as much as the JPs and especially the ENs, so just get to talk shit with friends without playing a part.

>>103629557
>>103629785
>>103629873
>>103629890
>ERB has straight up said she didn't invite Nerissa because she knew she was in all 3 of the other Justice debuts and didn't want to overwork her
That's damage control terms for "Nerissa declined". Do you really believe that ERB would not ask Nerissa , her "supposed main compagnion", to be in her 3D debut? or that Nerissa would decline any offer to be in 3D, if homos hadn't been there. Nerissa explicitly tried to make it clear that she had no involvement with ERB's 3D. See https://files.catbox.moe/zzsa18.mp4
ERB picked the homos over Nerissa. Ok valid, that's her own decision. But then don't still include Nerissa anyway through a kanauru animation. You can't have the cake and eat it too.
>Kanauru had to get approval
Kanauru does many things without approval to the point that Kiara even complained and warned him about him putting chibi Irys into everything

>>103629828
The only reason most, if not all, of you are pissy is that she won't bend the knee and kiss the unicuck ring. I believe it's more about your control over her behavior than it is about anything she may have done wrong.

>>103630397
when you freaks fuck off with your absolute braindead takes

>>103630460
I don't care at all what she does with homos. She made her decision to collab, I made my decision not to watch her. It's that simple. What I do care about is how she actively is trying to ruin Nerissa's career

I will never not be salty about the Japan offcollab with Myth where at the end Ina, Kiara, and Mori started doing some goofy beatboxing thing and after messing around for half a minute got Ame to start too only for Gura to say audibly 'CRINGE' and have Ame shut down for the rest of the collab. Gura's humor is liked by a lot, but shit like that is exactly why Myth fell apart.

>>103630431
>Advent and Justice got to hang out in person first and got to bond properly before making their debuts
Bit of a tangent but this makes me wonder... when they meet in-person, are they introduced using their chuuba names or their real names? Do they ever refer to each other using their real names?
My assumption would be that they use the chuuba names all the time so they never get into the habit of using real names and so never slip up when addressing each other live.

>>103630227
>tourist who hasn't seen any Raora and Cecilia collab

>>103621079
ERB comes across as being considerably older than the other three, so that's probably the biggest factor. They respect her in the "cool, fun older cousin" way and so are happy to call her the boss, but may struggle to relate with her on some things.
To the pain of unicorns, ERB does have better chemistry with the Holostars (+ Ollie) mainly because British humour does appeal more to the "lads lads lads" mentality than it does with women.

>>103608569
fpbp camaraderie is now mandated by contract. simple as

>>103613430
I would say Nerissa has good chemistry with the dogs, but Nerissa also has good chemistry with most people

>>103630460
If you think ERB is solely disliked over being a homocollaber than you are retarded

>>103630555
I think that if they were to use any real name during streams they would be graduated instantly.
So yes definetly second option.

>>103630431
The whole "advent hung together in japan, this is why they have chemistry" is pure cope. Like, how much time could they have spent together realistically? a couple of months at best considered the graduations. And even if they spent 9 months, you can't force people to be friends.

Advent is still together because, as simple as it is, they keep together, and they keep together because they all know this is the best it will ever be for them.
FWMC have been grinding as idols for what now, a decade? this is their idol gen and they are not letting it go. Same for Nerissa with her singing, this is HER story after being second and third fiddle to her sisters for her whole life.
Shiori is getting her pension, and losing this means losing everything. No funds to do her video projects, no money to buy clothes and cosplay.
4 fifths of advent has no prospect outside of advent. The only one that could make a living outside of the box is biboo, but she's committed enough that she moved to Japan.

Compare that to myth, where they all have personal success be it PL or solo stuff. Promise, who all could go indie tomorrow and be successful.
Or even justice, with Raora and ERB would could make a living and a killing out of PL stuff, and this is how you get CCGG.

>Actual beggars in this thread defending ERB against "the corns"
Nobody cares about Dubai. It's about ERB's chemistry with EN which she clearly lacks

>>103630555
>>103630641
I think justice said they used code names.

>>103630567
This, the easisest explanation without going schizo-theorycrafting about internal disputes

>>103630433
Yes? ERB isn't in a rush and feels like she'll be around for awhile, she's going to have future 3D apperances with Nerissa so it makes sense for her to approach it in this way. You say she picked the homo's but there was an Ollie rrat that Ollie couldn't make it for the 3D and the homos filled that spot.

>>103630672
But that was before debut, imagine any of them calling Raora Pizza

>>103630433
Did you link the wrong video? She said she had a cameo and that if the fans think it counts then it counts lol I personally dont care as I'm not a Nerissa fan, but come on.

>>103630651
They went to Connect the World together and watched their announcement live. Take that for what you will, they obviously had a lot more time than Council, and infinite more time than Myth. If you were around during the earlier days of Myth, multiple of them talked about how it was a really tight-kept secret that they were hired and ready to go, none of them got to meet JP talents at the studio because both Covid casuing no flights and even for those in Japan, the EN managers didn't want them co-collaborating immediatly.

>>103630518
This. Nerissa spends more time kissing the red slag's ass than she does streaming or interacting with the Jailbirds in any capacity.

>>103630433
>That's damage control terms for "Nerissa declined"
I don't care about your headcanon, i care about the girl says. If you think they lie, it's your problem.

>Nerissa explicitly tried to make it clear that she had no involvement with ERB's 3D
Yes, because she wasn't, but she also says "if it counts to you, then that's what matters." so she has no problem with it.

>ERB picked the homos over Nerissa
This is just your headcanon, no one said this, there is no proof.

>>103630670
>never see ERB because I don’t watch ardent homo defenders
>see her in another girls stream very occasionally and it’s the worst stream they’ve had all week
Coincidence? I think not. She just kinda sucks around other people. Probably better by herself but I’ll never know that.

>>103630761
Well the "ERB picked homos/ Nerissa declined because of them" theory is just your run-of-the-mill unicorn headcanon, but Nerissa did sound a bit stingy for not being part of ERB's 3D

>>103630754
By now myth and promise had more than enough time to gel. They don't because they don't need too, even if something they might feel sad about not being as united as advent (I think Mori said this ? I might have dreamt it though).

>>103630433
>Do you really believe that ERB would not ask Nerissa , her "supposed main compagnion", to be in her 3D debut?
Yes, I believe that. If you start thinking everything is a lie and psyop with one member then you'll eventually think everything is a manufactured lie meant only to appease viewers into giving them money. And IF you reach that conclusion then you won't find any joy in this hobby anymore.
Besides she's very autistic on many aspects, in her minecraft streams she didn't go out of her way to collab because she wanted to meet other members naturally. That didn't happen unfortunately until Kiara intervened.
>>103630555
Your assumption makes sense as a precaution, I was wondering that too. I wonder if they keep it that way when working with other people at the studio though.
>Do they ever refer to each other using their real names?
They kinda have too when they're outside, no? Or if they are heavier on opsec they would use pseudo-names.

>>103630823
Mori should just hang out with Advent and Justice instead

If ERB is this ultra problematic woman you guys claim her to be do you honestly think that she would hang out with Nerissa after she refused to interact with the dudes? (And before anyone say "Cover is forcing them to do business yuri for the money!" i would like to point out that they had no issue with PekoMiko and KronFau ignoring each other)

>>103630823
Kiara and Mori have always been the biggest pushers of gen unity, and Ina sort of wants it. Ame and Gura did it if it was convenient or it was something that REALLY interested them.
Advent has fun goofing around together and I like it, but it's obvious that most of the time they do streams it's to promote something they want to sell you. That doesn't mean they secretly hate each other, but they do get that it's just business and business will be better if you work together.
There's also the fact that the two newer gens are much more interested in pleasing management while the prior two spent half of their time fighting management.

ITT: a bunch of socially inept people arguing about which on-screen interaction has more chemistry

>>103630711
>>103630761
I linked the right video
>I wasn't in all 3/3. I was not in ERB's 3D
>BUT IT COUNTS
>If it counts for you, good for you
>>103630761
>>ERB picked the homos over Nerissa
>This is just your headcanon, no one said this, there is no proof.
Again, if you actually think that ERB did not ask Nerissa, then you have actual brain damage. She wanted Nerissa in but also the homos and she prefered the homos. It makes 0 sense to not have asked Nerissa in her 3D debut, like she supposedly said she didn't

>>103630828
>Besides she's very autistic on many aspects, in her minecraft streams she didn't go out of her way to collab because she wanted to meet other members naturally.
With the amount of malicious acts she has committed against Nerissa you cannot say that it is "just autism" anymore

>>103630879
Outside of the obvious one (Fuwamoco) it obviously was:
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lHLx62THuYM

>>103630869
>There's also the fact that the two newer gens are much more interested in pleasing management
Shiori literally had fight with management over something as retarded as the thumbnail to her first enreco stream. The description of that video still is "Lmao rofl orz kek Lol".

>>103630933
>malicious acts
Being?

>>103630893
I don't know what more you want, ERB has straight up said she didn't invite her. They are going to have 3D apperances together in the future so it's really not that unbelievable that she put Nerissa's schedule first instead of her own 3D.

This is a mental illness thread at this point.
Also this >>103630879

>>103630893
>If it counts for you, good for you
She said "that's what it matters", not really a "good for you!" It means she's ok if for you it counts despite she isn't, so she doesn't have problems to be in the same live with the homos.


>Again, if you actually think that ERB did not ask Nerissa, then you have actual brain damage
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txWsU5a7g3c
This is the reason. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

>>103630555
I think they know each other names but use either the chuuba name or their personal internet handles. how often do you call your friends by their name instead of by their discord tag?

>>103630964
Yet as a group, Advent are the biggest supported by management purely because they play well with them and do a bunch of extra work for them.

>>103630933
Oh shiddd :D, you're the guy who assembled that list in /#/ right? The repeated use of "malicious" gives it away, try to mix it up a little.
>>103630893
>if you actually think that ERB did not ask Nerissa, then you have actual brain damage
I'm glad you're willing to talk things through and not resort to simple phrases like:
>I'm right, you're wrong
>I'm right, you're wrong
>I'm right, you're wrong
Honestly, you might want to just play a cookie clicker at that point.

>>103629719
>cover caused her to leave
Oh you could save that pile of bullshit to yourself faggot, the Ash Again song is nothing but a promotional material for her next grifting adventure, you better enjoy yourself before she hit that self-destruct button and drag everyone down with her again.

>>103631061
It's because they are the only ones who are actually willing to do all that stuff together.
You will see myth and promise getting more opportunities going forward, as we can see already with mythmash.

>>103630869
Ame doesn't get enough credit for her own "unity" pushes. All the VR Chat rooms collabs she spearheaded the creation of including the studio she got made with the intent it was going to be a place any of the talent could use to host their own VR Chat 3D shows, the various group novelty costumes, the sidekick support she gave to others (especially Kiara), the Smol animated short which instead of being about Myth for their 3D live ended up being mainly about Sana. Ame was all for brand unity, she just didn't like being at the centre of it as the "leader of Myth".

Even her whole affiliate thing is a way for her to still pop back on occasion should the other three still there ask for her to return.

>>103630893
Dude it's you that's connecting two different facts with your headcanon. Erb inviting Holostars and Nerissa not appearing are two different events and have the same chances of being connected or being unrelated

>>103629816
>Omega outright poisonpilled Council from the start and kneecapped IRyS for a while
>Sana recognized that she'd prefer to be an illustrator long-term than a vtuber let alone one who sings and dances and made the objectively correct decision to not drag people along longer than necessary
>Doubt Bae would be able to do anything about Moom's kyun from across the Pacific Ocean
>Considering how Bae's initial twitter response to Fauna's graduation announcement was the exact same as Kronii's, I think she was a little soured on her decision on Fauna's part and knowing what we know now, I think if there was any legs for the krofau rrat, Bae would be on Kronii's side if Fauna really did string her along at some point

>>103631158
I agree that the first 2 years of Ame had her being very unity when it was involved with her projects. Management pushed stuff was completely left out to dry. Not saying that it's a good or bad thing, but just a reality.
She busted ass for the VRchat stuff and I will always be eternally greatful for her for that because those models along with low poly are all really cute and fun and there are a ton of great memories in those streams.

>>103631154
Yeah, I thought about it after hitting post but Myth has the people left who are willing to now work with management to some degree, which means they'll have more junk pushed out. My personal issue is that it's never 'just for fun', it's now almost always to push something.

>>103631031
Depends how I met them. If I met them irl first, I exclusively use their real name. If I met them online, it varies.

Kek, the whole Rosarian discord is /here/. All 5 five of them

>>103631258
After all that's happened it's pretty clear they all prefer to collab for funs with their juniors rather than among themselves

>>103629974
>GG and Gura
>fun
I'm glad this never happened because it wouldn't have worked. Gigi would have done the generic sexual harassment bit but Gura doesn't react to that stuff. As different as they are, it would have been like the infamous Kiara/Gigi minecraft stream.

>>103631389
Man, I like both of them and was excited for that stream but it was pretty shit. Kiara was being a bit of an asshole and just kind of bulldozing over Gigi. Their dead MMO collab was a lot better though.

>>103629228
They have too much natural chemistry.
It's get too personal and easily destroyed once one relationship turn bad.
The professional relationship of Advent is much more stable in the long run.

>>103630990
>>103631026
>>103631136
I would like to sell (you)s a bridge

>>103631872
>someone disagrees with me and points out flaws in my arguments and behavior
>better tell them to kys
I'm going to be fully honest with you dude, I pity you. Not in the sarcastic virtue signaling that twitter trannies speak of, but in the most realest sense. I pity you. It's like seeing a friend indulge himself in more and more drugs disregarding your worries, with the only option being to watch his life crumbling away. I genuinely pity you.

>>103632060
>>someone disagrees with me and points out "supposed flaws" in my arguments and behavior
>responds by explaining how those "flaws" don't add up
>but it doesn't work like that
I pity you for believing everything someone ever says. Your 3D debut is you biggest event (after debut) in your Hololive career. ERB spend all hercareer hitting up Nerissa, only for Nerissa to not be in the biggest moment of your career. Why? Supposedly ERB didn't ask her. That makes no damn sense. The only possible reason for ERB not to ask Nerissa has nothing to do with Nerissa's schedule because it isn't just Nerissa. Not a single ENmem is in it, while some ENmem (using ERB's logic that she used for explaining Nerissa's absence) did not have such a busy schedule, such as Bae, Ina or Irys. Even JPs. Raora and CC got JPs. ERB didn't even get Roboco in. And also using ERB's logic
>okay Nerissa wasn't available, but you know what? Lets put her in anyways through an animation, because I know that's what my fans want.
That's just selfish
Now let's assune she didn't ask. For what possible reason did she not ask?
>busy schedule
See above, there where others available
>she wanted homos in more than other ENmem
This is the only possible reason i can see her not asking others. That she chose to not ruffle the feathers of the fans of other ENmem, but are you gonna make the reason public? No because it would harm the girl in question (angrg noises: you're protecting unicorn behavior). But it also means she valued the participation from homos in her 3D more than the participation of EMmem
>Other reasons?
Non that i can think of
Now lets assume she did ask, which is the more plausible option
Why did nobody join
>busy schedule
Againt, see above, it is impossible that literally everybody was unavailable
>homos
Very possible, very likely. Atleast Biboo, FuwaMoco, Nerissa and Irys would decline by default. The rest wouldn't be as bothered but wouldn't be glad either. But again, it would mean that ERB would value homoparticipation over EN participation.
>Other reasons?
Non that i can think of
>Ollie was supposed to be in but it didn't fit for some reason so we flew in Armis to compensate
Do you even realize how stupid that sounds? The armis part was already recorded back in March. So why couldn't Ollie make time for it in that same recording period, or even later as there are 5 months in between the recorsing period of Armis and her 3D debut. So if it is about time constraints it wouldn't make sense, unless Ollie was a last minute add.
>About money
It can be an arguement that it was simoly too expansive to fly Ollie to Japan for her to record a 3D segment. Okay but then why did Moona make it to Raora's? So monetary wise it doesn't make sense
>other possible reasons for Ollie to not appear in person
I dunno really

Tldr. Both her not asking and her asking and being declined mean that she values homoparticipation more than her colluges to appear

>>103631389
I think GG has an exceptionally good read on people, one of her major strengths and will act accordingly. I think a GG/Gura collab would be Gura saying her off colour thing and the GG will latch to it and the banter will be from there. I don't see her throwing some weird yaoi/yuri shit to Gura, she knows better.

>>103633267
>I pity you for believing everything someone ever says
So should i believe you because you think your logic is better? No, i prefer to respect the talent decision and trust her. If she could not for the reason she said, she couldn't. Also she said it's not a big deal, because there are many other occasions. Your logic doesn't work because it doesn't apply to the talent's. Your forcing your thoughts, without any proof to sustain.

>Now let's assune she didn't ask. For what possible reason did she not ask?
Why would i assume that? You're schizoing too much.

It's useless to answer your other "options" because those aren't real, it's all in your head, you want to purposely cross out every options and giving an "answer" so only your narrative will work, without considering what the talent said.

So everything is just in your head, just stop it, your thesis is only based by yourself.

>>103633267
Your whole argument is balanced on ERB chose the homos over EN girls, but that doesn't work when several of the girls would've been fine with being in a live with homos. This just makes it more likely that ERB just didn't ask anyone else and intended to keep it at a low guest appearance count. I have no idea about the Ollie rrat, there was a membership link posted with it a while back but I ain't checking that out. It is is bit odd since Ollie is supposed to be ERB's oshi, so it feels a bit rude if she did turn her down.

>>103630227
>The only duo that really, really works in HoloEN is CCGG
Currently? Agreed. Throughout all of EN? Gurame. Naysayers who disagree simply weren't there at their peak.

>>103633267
Just to be clear, I'm the third anon in your last triple reply and I feel like most of your reply is meant for the other two rather than me.
>I pity you for believing everything someone ever says.
Not much to lose. We don't get a lot from ERB in terms of interactions aside from seeing here in many of the talents chats and comments since she doesn't really collab. Besides, if you're gonna hyper-analyze then you will start to wonder if other stories and interactions are fake, like CC getting stuck in her apartment and ERB helping her twice. Or that time GG was playing that british game and sent a message to her asking what "laying pipe" means. Or the letter from Nerissa that was sealed with wax. And if you assume everything is fake or mandated by manager I think it's better to completely non-persona her from your mind anon. Being this preoccupied with hate about a person you won't ever meet can't be good long term. After all, people will jump to ERB's defense if you attack her and will end up attacking you. But if you ignore her completely? Treat her with indifference? That's the worst fate of any content creator. It demoralizes you and in the case of hololive, it diminishes your earnings, thus for projects you have to invest or go into debt which puts a strain on your mental.

Now then, the lack of appearances of other members was surprising, ignoring the homos, you literally had 2 members, Ollie and Zeta. And I highly doubt other members would've denied being there simply because you had 2 homos narrate in the beginning and armis for one song in a "dream sequence".
Truth of the matter is we simply don't know the logistics behind her 3d debut.
My assumption is that it simply wouldn't fit the theme of the debut which was a theater performance with many song performance. Note how each debut was made to fit each member's strengths. Of course she would choose a music-centric debut where she would perform most of her songs alone.

People from Myth, especially from what's left of it, are from such vastly different backgrounds and personality types that it's no wonder it took them a while to get closer. Even now it's not like they collab often or anything, but the interactions they do have seem very genuine and warm. That... anniversary was it? Where they hung out in Japan irl and went on a boat trip together was really nice. You could tell that they went through a lot together and had bonded over time.

>>103624090
Not to distract from your points but why does every single duo need a "name" now? I know it lines up with a lot of them but it feels so fake and forced.

>>103634490
>but that doesn't work when several of the girls would've been fine with being in a live with homos.
Of the girls ERB is close only Shiori would have been fine with the homos, and no one is going to invite Shiori to a karaoke.

>>103634874
She doesn't have to be particuarly close to a girl to invite them to a 3D though? Do you really think Mori would've said no? Bae and ERB seem to be on decent enough terms that ERB just jumped into VC with her during MiSide to hold her hand through the "scary" sections. If being close was a requirement we would've seen RBC.

>>103608441 (OP)
Myth and Promise were just designed to get the best they could for certain traits to fill the numbers. Myth especially was a testing ground, basically taking 5 complete individuals and going "Okay, let's see what English fans are looking for" Irys was a test if EN wanted a purely singing idol, but Cover realized "Oh we don't have an English writer for music and they don't really want Japanese songs", Promise was another gen of "Okay, we think we know what the English fans like, so let's test it again. We're still not sure if we're going to commit 100% though."

Advent and Justice were both groups designed to be groups from the start and designed around that professionalism. They went into it knowing "This is a job, and these are the expectations from you. You are expected to be a unit, so can you be team players?" and they were all on board with that from the start. The company also backed them, as units, a lot more heavily than they did with Myth.

As it stands right now, it seems like they're trying to do that with Myth and Promise, but frankly, they're too established as individuals as well as not really enough people for a unit anymore. They could TRY and merge them into one unit, Pro-Myth, but I don't know if they or the fans really want that. For Promise, it would be their third merger, from Council, to Promise, to a new unit all because they've just bled talent.

>>103631147
Oof

>>103613430
>Gura could use her autismo power to wrangle
wtf am I reading

>>103634490
Nta but she does have more homo than Holo guests and Gigi had a lower guest count

>>103634490
>Your whole argument is balanced on ERB chose the homos over EN girls, but that doesn't work when several of the girls would've been fine with being in a live with homos. This just makes it more likely that ERB just didn't ask anyone else and intended to keep it at a low guest appearance count.
But she did pick the homos over the girls. She picked 4 homos and 1 Holomem (2 if you include Ollie but that's debatable), which no ENs, no JPs, no Devis. If it is about guest numbers she could have easily swapped and reorganized it to have both homos and girls that are willing to be on the same stage as homos, like Bae, like Shiori, like Roboco, be there, but ultimately, those weren't there either.

>>103635111
>Do you really think Mori would've said no?
Didnt Mori literally not have enough time to learn the dance for Gigis 3D so she had to white woman shuffle around?

>>103637281
I think thats kind of disingenuous though? Despite there being 4 homos, they still only had 1 song and they didn't even get an MC segement like Zeta did. I really think it just comes down to she only had two guest song's planned and split it 50/50.

>>103637677
I mean did you see some of ERB's choreo? It wasn't too far off white woman shuffling a decent amount of the time anyway.

>>103608441 (OP)
The third gen is always the golden gen. It's just how it is.

>>103608441 (OP)
All this talk about Advent having unity when Shiori didn't even show up to join them on stage at FES and had Kaela take her spot. Shiori couldn't give less of a fuck.

>>103639298
She cares about the money

>>103640021
No, that's FWMC. Have you ever watched their content?

>>103640204
If Shiori didnt care about the money she wouldnt have bothered joining

>>103634680
>Of course she would choose a music-centric debut where she would perform most of her songs alone.
This. Multiple talents, female and male, have done either a couple of guests (either for songs or for gags, but no longer than that) or had no guests whatsoever and carried their 3D debuts solo. I have no idea what this retards issue is other than "how dare she invite whoever she wanted instead of who we think she should have".

>>103610837
>something similar
>debut watchalong vs debut
I hope you did this with intent and not with integrity

>>103644002
I think the balking comes from so much of her content being latching onto others it doesn't match the debut

>All these Kaela mentions
People haven't watched a stream past the first few months after debut huh?

>>103645531
Clearly (you) haven't either

>>103608441 (OP)
Promise had the best chemistry. Mococo and Shiori don't get along that well with other Advent members.

>>103645940
Ina, CC, IRyS, Gigi, Bae and Mori have more chemistry with Biboo than the autistic brick wall that is Kaela, not even mentioning the rest of Advent. Hell, fucking Subaru and Laplus have more moments with her, not like you would know.

>>103647013
>Seething
My work here is done

>>103644153
I mean people will always point out bloodraven despite that starting with Nerissa, but otherwise unless you consider her showing up in chats latching on she really just stays in her corner and keeps to herself.

>>103608441 (OP)
>this level of camaraderie
fake camaraderie?

>>103629974
Thank god that shark cunt left then, it seems like everyone needs to be extremely commentating to her like they worship her in order to get along with her, and they need to walk on eggshells to not make her bored or the cringe out. Fucking bitch, good riddance.

kys

>>103633656
>I think GG has an exceptionally good read on people
I don't know which GG you're talking about because EN Justice's GG ain't it.

>>103608441 (OP)
Myth was a horrible mix of extroverts, introverts, and lazy people.

Promise had half its members treating Hololive as a side gig.

Everyone in Advent that isn't Nerissa wants to be there. Everyone in Justice that isn't ERB is prime streamer/idol material.

>>103624090
Nothing it's just another schizo reading too much into the girls relationship. One of the main things that caused this type of schizoposting is because of Gigi uncouth question(making nerissa choose between Liz and Shiori).

>>103634582
>Naysayers who disagree simply weren't there at their peak.

>>103630227
>CCGG
God why are some of Gigi's fans so retarded.They're the new guys on the block yet they think they know more than the older fanbase and they get to put down the older ships??

>>103639298
>>103640021
>Not showing up # unity??
Retards

For all their dysfunction, councelRys and Myth were at least entertaining. Advent and Justice are mostly boring.

>>103648101
Contrarian eh? Cringe

>>103649280
>assuming older fanbase can't appreciate new things
Yeah you are the retarded one.

>>103629719
>>103613430
>Gura could use her autismo power to wrangle basically everyone in the first two gens and have chemistry with them.

Then why didn't she do that with Biboo, hm?

>>103650123
you don't watch streams

>>103652673
Because they were boring.

>>103652136
>Then why didn't she do that with Biboo
Because she isn't in the first two gens? Learn to read, idiot.

FWMC can barely hide their contempt for their genmates. They only collab when it personally benefits them and somehow collab less with Biboo after she moved to Japan than before. And they've never even collabed once with shiori in over 2 years.

>>103648358
>he thinks ERB isn't idol-material
I think you don't know what an "idol" is Anon.

>>103626113
>>103626031
>Gigi the new big thing
>when the last time
The absolute fucking state of this board.

>>103648358
>Everyone in Advent that isn't Nerissa wants to be there.
Nerissa wants to be in hololive, she just hates streaming. She is finding her happiness singing and working on other girls songs, or voice acting like in the audiobook (or whatever they are calling it) with Kronii.

>>103654849
>she just hates streaming
Again with this stupid baseless narrative

>>103654885
>7 (seven) streams in 3 weeks for a total of 20 hours
>12 hours of which were a watchlong of clannad
>2 hours of corpomandated vcr
>2 hours of anniversary
>1 hour of fwmcmandated advent collab
>1 hour of """"""""endurance"""""""" stream

Literally the last game she played was more than a month ago and it was an advent collab.

>>103654963
This doesn't mean she hates streaming, it just mean she was busy.

>>103615091
it's just 4 people preventing Mogogo from chimping out.

they're at their best when they let Fuwawa handle the tardwrangling and the other 3 just drive the collab.

they really have nothing on what early Myth and Council HAD.

Myth died when AmeSame burnt out, Council died when KroFau died.

>>103618843
I'll defend Ina, she's pretty solid with Bae and I think steers their friendship even though Bae's the extrovert.

She was solid with Ame too.
not counting Sana because she's her nepo hire.

>>103622864
Fauna killed that group.

Irys: Everyone
Kronii: Mumei, Irys, Fauna, Sana
Mumei: Everyone
Bae: Sana, Irys
Sana: Kronii, Bae, Irys
Fauna: Mumei

I think Bae and Kronii is more of a case that they just don't have too much in common, Bae is an extrovert and Kronii pretends to be one.

>>103624762
Should've just left Ame with the reigns, all memorable Myth/Council stuff was from her.

for Promise I agree, I'd bet It would've been Sana if she didn't outright hated Vtubing. Everyone else is either too headstrong (KroFau) or too much of a pushover (BaeRys) Mooms just mooms

>>103610078
CC and GG have great chemistry with tons of members desu
CC even manages it with JP members she can barely communicate with, no idea how she does it

>>103624558
Banned and blocked more (of her own) people than everyone else combined

>>103657311
>still butthurt about it

>>103630567

>ERB comes across as being considerably older than the other three, so that's probably the biggest factor

From PLs she's got at least 10 years on Raora. I assume its similar for the others.

>>103629816
>agent of chaos
>chaos around her
>can't control it
Pottery

>>103624558
>Shiori
>ERB
>Riona
Why designated "leaders" are consistently the worst girls in their gens?

>>103617912
this turned out to be such a good stream

>>103608441 (OP)
Gura and Fauna were stuck up cunts.

>>103657255
Germans had always been a good friend to Japanese throughout history.

>>103622422
If this is the meaning of camaraderie,
My personal rank are
> Chemistry
Council > Justice > Advent > Myth
>Camaraderie
Advent>Myth>Justice>Council

Each of Council members personal goal is not aligned at all.

>>103657634
Raora's the youngest and Gigi's almost certainly the oldest of the other 3, but there's probably a good number of years still between Gigi and ERB

>>103661107
Didn't expect Gigi to be in her 40s. Damn

>>103661300
It's possible I missed something about Raora since I don't follow her, but I thought she was really young.
Gigi's probably late-20s or around 30, Cece's probably mid-20s.

>>103661502

Raora is late 20s, assuming she wasn't lying about her age in her PL.

ERB is late 30s, her PL was active for 15 years or so, so this one's pretty solid.

Gigi and Cece, I have no idea.

>>103661300
>>103661107 (me)
Oh I just realized. I meant "other 3 than ERB". Bad wording on my part.

>>103662135
No worries.

People always shit on Myth and Council and praise Advent while ignoring the fact that the first two gens were basically given no support while Advent very obviously has someone in management who basically wrangles them super hard, plans their group collabs and constantly pushes them do the group song projects. Just look at how much of their group songs are onm the official Hololive english channel.

Leadership doesn't matter besides Elizabeth who made it part of her keyfabe (and Justice is suppose to be a criminal-catching organization so it makes sense there would be one).

>>103609994
You didn't watch a single stream kill yourself faggot

>>103631147
> the Ash Again song is nothing but a promotional material for her next grifting adventure
Yep, 2 years in the making.
>drag everyone down with her again.
Those people are what kept HoloEN afloat after Cover's wise direction to force the Stars collabs.
Gura built friendships beyond corpo forced collabs. Real vs Fake.

>>103624558
Showed that collabing the the homos is not a bad thing

>>103609162
4pbp and OP is a retarded newfag

myth has no chemistry