Thread 103718037

Did Shondo kill her own mom? This could be the biggest happening in decades.

>falling for schizo shenanigans
Couldn’t be me

how many years of gooning do you have to do to erase enough brain cells to come to this sort of conclusion

>>103718037 (OP)
No you retard, she's not the one being sued.

>>103718037 (OP)
i believe it kek

>>103718037 (OP)
>six lawsuits
she's suing me for child support for the six children I put in her

>>103718037 (OP)
Just like Asmon

>>103718037 (OP)
Knowing how retarded the bureaucracy in Britain is, she is probably dealing with "OI, U HAVIN' A LOICENCE FO' DAT 'OUSE YOUSE TOOK FOR FREE FROM YER DED MOTHER'S CORPSE???"
and shit of the sort.
Never live in Britain

she hired michael to do the job

>>103718202
No way in fuck baldmongold is that based

>>103718640
My uncle was indirectly responsible for killing my grandmother and it took 6 months to even get him evicted out of her house even though my father was the one put down to be in charge of the estate. Police wouldn't do anything either. Though they sure are happy to knock on your door for tweeting about how Islam has no place in the UK. Nothing really works here.

>>103718037 (OP)
big if true

you could literally just read her follow up tweets that say she's the one suing the hospital for gross negligence leading to her mom's death

>>103719303
>suing the hospital because your mom killed herself at home
Why are Americans like this? She's the one who should be getting sued for not caring to her own mother.

>>103719083
MICHAEL WHYYYYY

>>103718037 (OP)
It's called euthanesia.

>>103718037 (OP)
why would she do that when she could keep milking sympathy online

>>103719713
>not caring to her
why are you brown?

>>103719713
1: esl
2: retard
3: she's british
4: sorry to reiterate, but you're just really retarded. i actually pity you. maybe you should sue a hospital too, the one where you stayed as a baby, and then you could get compensation for the nurse who dropped you

>>103719767
I'm white enough to take proper integral care of a suicidal person and especially by not letting them get near tools that they could use to perform suicide attempts. I would call what she did "gross negligence".

>>103719845
>white enough
you are either white or not. "white enough" is cope and just means you're fully brown.

>>103719882
your oshi's negligence led to her own mom killing herself, but keep deflecting to skin color kek

>>103719903
you as their kid are not responsible for keeping your parents alive but i'm sorry you're a parentified child of neglect i guess

>>103719903
She's not even my oshi. I just correctly pointed out that you're brown and that seems to have upset you.

>>103719845
You've never encountered or had to deal with anyone who was suicidal. And you're brown.

>>103718202
>>103719091

>>103718037 (OP)
>be a diagnosed schizo, far moreso than your daughter
>have an uptick in manic episodes and become suicidal
>be assigned a shitskin jeet doctor because your regular doctor isn't available
>degree is likely fake and shouldn't be practicing medicine in a civilized country
>don't even bother reading patient history and just send the clearly unwell woman away
>family says multiple times that she is a suicide risk and she must be taken in or she will die
>jeet won't be letting poor White people of a lower caste than him tell him what to do
>Mom is ignored by the system and then she kills herself, as the family knew she would
>leaves skeleton daughter who is also mentally ill as sole income for family who makes a living as an anime girl streamer
>now has to try and sue the NHS which will never pay out to protect its shitskin not real doctors
>likely to not get any meaningful payout for all the effort
>jeet doctor will likely malpractice again and kill more actual British people
Nightmare scenario.

>anon fires a blind shot at a shitposter's ethnicity
>bullseye

>>103719919
If your parent is invalid and suicidal under your own roof, you don't get to wash your hands of responsibility, you're responsible to what may happen and you should take proper care of them. She clearly didn't.

>>103718640
My best friend had to do three months of bureaucracy after a Biritsh relative died and left them an inheritance. British bureaucracy when it comes to this is incredibly retarded and the laws are from like when that cursed land had only sheep fuckers on the hills

t. a Spaniard

>>103719966
add
>jeet "doctor" is now posting on /vt/ to deflect the blame

>>103720165
Britain must fall so it can be restored

She killed her mum and hallucinated the hospital experience

>>103720045
Shondo, her grandmother and other people in her family told the doctors to not let her mother out of psychiatric care because she was going to kill herself. The doctors didn't listen.

That is negligence on the doctor's part.

>>103720437
Imagine trusting a schizo, an old woman failure and some children.

>>103720437
You can't force a person under hospital psychiatric care forever just because their parents said they're worried, after a risk assessment by the medical team that deems they're no longer a current threat to themselves, they are allowed and should discharge the patient to follow through with rehabilitation at home with proper family supervision and support.

I'm sorry, but should everything have been properly written down and followed, the hospital or any doctors will not be deemed legally responsible for what happened.

>>103718037 (OP)
At least 3 of the lawsuits are about some inheritance bullshit and one is about a doctor giving her mom the wrong medication. No idea about the other 2.

>>103720437
If the suicidal person doesn't want to be there then there's nothing the hospital can do.

>>103720582
The entire point being that they did not do everything properly, hence why a woman killed herself.
They discharged and did not see this women to be a threat to herself despite:
>having just attempted suicide
>being a single mother of 4 children, 3 of whom are still school aged
>from a low socio-economic background
>had her father die only 2 years ago
>taking care of her ailing mother
>her eldest daughter has severe schizoaffective disorder
>there is literally nobody at her house to properly care for a suicidal women
>everybody at her house says they cannot properly take care of her and recommend her to be kept in psychiatric care

Despite all this, they still discharged her and what anybody could see would happen, happened. That is just plain negligence.

>>103720621
Are you retarded or have you never heard of involuntary admission? If you are deemed a threat to yourself or others, you can be admitted to a psychiatric facility against your will. The doctor somehow believed she was not a threat to herself which is either gross incompetence or gross negligence.

>>103720045
You actually do get to wash your hands of what happened, short of extreme negligence. If someone is really and truly determined to off themselves, and not just doing it for attention, it's virtually impossible to stop them from doing it, short of them being locked up in a specialized care facility.

>>103719966
Suicide is a personal choice and if someone really wants to do it there's nothing you can do to stop them. It's her own fault for being selfish and doing it without caring about the impact it'd have on her family, not anyone else's.

>>103720745
>If you are deemed a threat to yourself or others, you can be admitted to a psychiatric facility against your will.
You can be admitted, but they can't just keep you forever. My family went through this all the time whenever my sister attempted suicide.

>>103718037 (OP)
So Shondo is trying to get the bag?

Hard to have any sympathy for her, after the lore drop incident.

>>103720858
Yes, they literally can keep you forever.

Mental Health Act 1983, Section 20(1)
>The authority for the detention of a patient to whom section 3… applies shall, unless previously renewed under this section, expire at the end of the period of six months beginning with the date of his admission… and may be renewed for a further period of six months and thereafter for periods of one year.

AKA as long as they deem you a threat to yourself, you stay.

>>103720910
I'd rather kill myself than let my family turn me into an eternal prisoner of the state

>>103720745
In the UK you can only be sectioned if you’re a current, immediate threat to yourself or others. That’s the threshold. All the stuff you listed like being poor, stressed, a single mom, family issues doesn’t legally justify keeping someone locked up if the psych team decides after an analysis that they’re not in active danger anymore. Once they judge the crisis has passed, they get discharged and can't stay there for any extra extended periods of time. That’s literally how the law works.

Shoncuck defense force ikuzo

>>103718037 (OP)
i wouldnt be surprised, that shithole island is full of evil demonic shit, and her mother probably fucked one. not all parents are good as you know

>>103720986
>doesn’t legally justify keeping someone locked up if the psych team decides after an analysis that they’re not in active danger anymore.
The psych team will absolutely take into account her personal circumstances and reports from people close to the patient to make their decision.
They clearly made the wrong decision either by gross incompetence not thinking that her personal circumstances and reports from her closest family members actually mattered, or they were grossly negligent that they did take those things into account still continued with their decision.

>That’s literally how the law works.
Yes I know. I'm arguing they violated the law because the woman literally killed herself a short while later despite all the evidence pointing to her reattempting and they still discharged her. The hospital failed and was negligent.

>>103720986
Involuntary long-term admission is absolutely a thing in the UK, where are you getting the idea that people aren't admitted for long periods?

>>103720986
>a current, immediate threat to yourself
she fucking killed herself, mate

>>103721140
I never said that, you can totally be admitted for long periods as long as your case remains the same and you're deemed to still be at immediate risk.

>>103720910
My bad, I'm American

>>103721211
>can't stay there for any extra extended periods of time.

>>103721223
>when not in a crisis/immediate risk

>>103721216
?

America has pretty similar stuff as well. If the hospital deems you to be a continued threat to yourself and others, you will be held indefinitely.

>>103721255
So what part of her circumstances inform you that she's not at immediate risk of attempting suicide again?

>>103721256
Nah, they can only hold you for a few days here, then if you demand to be released they have to let you go. They can only hold you longer with a court order and there are plenty of lawyers to get you out of that.

>>103719966
>leaves skeleton daughter who is also mentally ill as sole income for family who makes a living as an anime girl streamer
This implies that the schizo mom in the hospital was some how still earning income for the family

>>103721381
>they can
>it's just not common
>and there are legal ways of appeal
So, just like everywhere else in the civilised world?

>>103721416
Apparently not the UK.

>>103721074
>>103721170
Have you considered that she may have been discharged correctly after her condition was deemed to be of current non-immediate risk to herself or others, and then some days later when unsupervised at home, her condition took a turn to be of immediate risk again, and that's when the suicide happened? It is a pull to directly blame anyone in that circumstance, as it's not something that could've been precisely foreseen. Judges almost always side with the doctors in those cases by the way, as it's a very common occurrence in the medical field.

>>103721465
You can absolutely challenge a hospital's decision to hold you.

>>103721481
But the hospital still has the authority to keep the patient even if they want to leave.

>>103719966
Venice is sinking. New York and Florida are sinking. Jakarta is sinking. Why aren't the fucking British Isles sinking? They deserve it more than all the others.

>>103721475
Yes, I have considered that. But then I consider literally everything else I know and reconsider that to be a bullshit idea.

Your entire argument is just
>But doctors are smart and so they must be right
Which is something someone who has never spent a long amount of time around doctors would say.

> Judges almost always side with the doctors in those cases by the way, as it's a very common occurrence in the medical field.
99% of medical negligence cases are settled out of court, usually in favour of the patient as it's extremely poor PR for the doctor for it to become a public court case even if they do win.

t. worked extremely closely with an psychiatrist, a dermatologist and a neurosurgeon

>>103721515
Yes and in the UK system there are regularly independent reviews systematically built into involuntary admissions procedure including legal counsel. The outcome is literally the exact same except in the US you have to pay out the ass for a lawyer.

>>103721591
No, this is fundamentally different. In the US, the hospital cannot keep you against your will without a court order.

>>103718037 (OP)
Jesus Christ what happened?

Jeet doc really trying to shift the blame on 4chan instead of going back to med school lmao

>>103721655
Okay. And?

The differences are borderline negligible.

>Have psychotic episode

America
>Get put in involuntary admission for 5 days
>Hospitals petitions for a court order to keep you longer, potentially for years
>You have to lawyer up to have this overturned

UK
>Get in put in involuntary admission for up to 28 days
>You are fully within your rights to challenge the admission within 14 days through an independent tribunal
>patient is entitled to free legal aid to represent them
>Hospital management can also discharge you independently of the doctors and tribunal (but they cannot extend your stay)
>to force you to stay passed 28 days they have to get independent review and your nearest relatives can object to this
>even if you are admitted passed 28 days, you have right to again, another tribunal with free legal aid
>Patient can at any time petition the hospital management

There is fundamentally no difference other than the American system makes lawyers a shit ton of money and people who can't afford lawyers are fucked.

>>103721535
Not my argument at all. I could also say your argument is just advocating for a permanent section, which is not a solution in itself and would be incredibly dumb to pull in every case as the NHS is already considered to be overloaded.

But if any of the doctors had the slightest bit of intelligence to write down the specifics of what happened and her current state in the medical records before discharging her (which they most definitely did), it would be a hard case to fight against, and like I said, unfortunately it's a common occurrence, and even if everything was done according to the proper medical law and rules, suicides like that can happen regardless.

>>103721839
You get provided a lawyer in America if you can't afford one. The difference is that the hospital has to win a court case to keep you in America while you have to win a court case to leave in the UK.

>>103721883
>this woman shouldn't have been put in psychiatric care because money
Not a good argument when she killed herself like a week later

>But if any of the doctors had the slightest bit of intelligence to write down the specifics of what happened and her current state in the medical records before discharging her (which they most definitely did), it would be a hard case to fight against,
So, your argument is again "the doctor can't possible be wrong" whilst providing no actual evidence for this other than "they probably did everything right". Whereas the counter evidence to this is:
- everything surrounding her circumstances
- she killed herself a week later

Which is a stronger argument?

>>103721746
She's suing the hospital because they essentially let her mom kill herself by discharging her when she was clearly not sound of mind. If it was NHS care this is nothing new, several cases of gross negligence leading to an easily preventable medical death seem to come out every month.

>>103721938
>You get provided a lawyer in America if you can't afford one.
Do you know what the test for "can't afford" is? In most states in America it's 100-200% above the poverty line. Which is anything from $18,000 - $30,000. So if you earn more than $30,000 anywhere in America, you aren't entitled to a public defender. So again, poor people are fucked.

>The difference is that the hospital has to win a court case to keep you in America while you have to win a court case to leave in the UK.
It's not a court case in the UK. It's an independent tribunal which consists of a lawyer, a medical professional and a social worker. The hospital has to justify to this tribunal the continued involuntary admission of the patient.

Like I have already said, the systems are the exact same, except in the US, poor people get fucked.

>>103720582
She already tried to kill herself once before so she actually could have been detained under the mental health act, they were just incompetent

>>103719966
I will never step foot in Britain if I have children. Just imagine
>child gets sick
>get a jeet doctor
>"saar the little man is ok saar just don't drink cola saar"

>begin school year
>send your child to school
>96% of the classrooms are jeets
>"goodmorning saars, today we will be teaching you of how to drink cow urine for your health"

>walk on the street for a nice Sunday stroll
>get randomly stabbed
>"SAAR IT IS YOUR FAULT SAAR"

>send your wife to go grocery shopping
>comes back in tears telling me she got sexually harassed by a jeet

>go sightseeing
>jeets are filled the spots, smells like shit everywhere because it is first nature to them to shit on anything that is clean

I would evacuate as soon as possible if I was British. Especially how the government defends them more than normal people.

>>103722100
$30,000 is a lot of money.

>>103722232
I accept your concession.

>>103720863
>So Shondo is trying to get the bag?
"The bag" only exists in the US. In the UK you might get "The Nando's", but that's about it.

>>103722237
I don't get it. Poor people get a public defender. You mean middle class people are fucked because they have to pay for theirs.

>>103721958
I'm not certain your argument of "just keep her under confinement for more time lol" even if not being an immediate threat, would be any better, as it's not a proper solution to her condition, violates the rules of a section in the UK and eventually you'd have to discharge her at some point, in which it could have the exact same conclusion just at a later time.

The right choice of action in my opinion would be for her to be discharged (I'm implying she was correctly categorized as of no immediate risk) but this time with proper family support, risk management and surveillance while at home, to prevent the future suicide attempt from happening.

>>103722308
I already accepted your concession, you don't need to suck my cock.

>>103722325
She was an immediate threat. Every single piece of surrounding evidence supported that fact. She killed herself a week after which then proves that fact.

I don't know why you have such a hard on for defending some jeet doctors who clearly fucked up.

>>103722343
Whatever helps you sleep I guess. I'll check the thread later to see if you have an argument or not

>>103722325
>as it's not a proper solution to her condition
That's also not the argument being made here. The argument being made here is the woman is suicidal and WILL kill herself if she is not admitted to a psychiatric facility. The core and only part of the argument is preventing her from killing herself.
I don't know why you bring up the fact that it won't solve her issues. Nobody made that claim nor is it relevant to stopping her in the short term from killing herself.

How the fuck do you people reach these conclusions??

>>103722368
I'm simply going for what the UK law says. If she was discharged it is undoubtedly for the reason that she was deemed not an immediate threat anymore after analysis, and the doctors are LEGALLY required to discharge her at that point after reaching the consensus. What happened after a week and the changes that her condition had after that week (and for what reasons) can't be accurately predicted and wouldn't change the immediate threat assessment that happened, that's why it's called IMMEDIATE threat in the first place.

>>103722641
They want it to be true because it would support their retarded narrative that she's a problematic evil person

>>103722641
This board is filled with people unironically more schizo than Shonshon is.
But not just schizo, genuinely rotten at the core.

>>103722718
Yes, I agree with you that the doctor deemed she was not an immediate threat and were legally required to discharge her. You keep making this really fucking dumb legal argument that doesn't make sense. I understand all the legal shit. My point is that they were wrong in deeming her not an immediate threat to the point of incompetence or negligence.

>. What happened after a week and the changes that her condition had after that week (and for what reasons) can't be accurately predicted and wouldn't change the immediate threat assessment that happened, that's why it's called IMMEDIATE threat in the first place.
Go ahead an justify this.

Explain how you can't predict that a woman, with a long track record of extremely poor mental health, family history of poor mental health, abusive partners, high stress environment, low socio-economic conditions, was going through a severe episode of manic depression and who had just attempted suicide and who's family were begging you to keep her in hospital because she will try again and wasn't taking her medication, wouldn't simply try to kill herself again? Give me the justification that overrides all of the surrounding circumstantial evidence that made you believe that a doctor would believe that this person wouldn't be at reasonable risk of suicide in the immediate future.

>entire bait thread making rrats about her personal life with a tweet from her non vtubing related alt for the OP
jannies hard at work as always

>>103722905
she's a whore and a drain in the economy, they did the right thing shoncuck

>>103722905
I looked at her and she was fine

>>103721746
Shondo looking to blame her mom's death on anyone but herself.
If I had to deal with a racemixing whore of a daughter I'd do the same

>>103718037 (OP)
So is this bitch basically EN mikeneko

>>103722999
BASED

>>103722905
She was already kept under section for quite some time under those pretenses, those social-economical factors do matter for an immediate threat acessment, but you can't utilize them forevermore to extend the section indefinitely. After some time in the hospital the medical team probably decided that even while considering those secondary factors and family worries, she wasn't of immediate risk any longer, and thus reached the limit of her stay in psychiatric lockdown, and should've been instead supervised at home.

>>103721746
QRD: Shondo is making a lawsuit on a shitload of people because she can't accept the fact that her and her family played a part in letting her mom kill herself

>>103720582
>after a risk assessment by the medical team that deems they're no longer a current threat to themselves
Yeah and that's the negligence part. She literally killed herself

>>103723180
>she wasn't of immediate risk any longer
they let her out literally days after a 1st attempt while she was kept off meds. shut the fuck up, you clearly don't even know anything about what led up to the situation
>>103723289
QRD: you're a worthless, 3rd world, bottom of the barrel shitter

>>103723336
NTA but if her mom was trying that hard to kill herself, maybe they should've just let her go without suffering

>>103723447
she was suffering because the doctors were incompetent. one of them was administering treatments for over a week and kept her off meds without even looking at her record; then when they did and knew her mental state they had zero safeguarding measures. that alone is a cut and dry case of malpractice

>>103718037 (OP)
why are these SEAnigger threads being left up

>>103723540
take a guess. i saw dox left up for over an hour last week but someone that called the anon that posted it a SEAnig got deleted within 2 mins. they don't even try to hide it anymore

>>103723540
Chief-Jannies realized the holochads are never coming back, so they promote the second best way to get traffick to the site for ads: rage bait.

Shondo pushed her mother to suicide we all know it

All I hope is for shondo to be the next one in her family to graduate.

Nimi and shondo should fuck off vtubing entirely

>>103727030
Nimi and shondo should fuck me

>>103720582
>ummm according to clause 1a in title b17 and after signing a waiver legally we're not responsible for this person's death good morning to you SAAR
No wonder half the population didn't get vaxxmaxxed.

>>103720986
>In the UK you can only be sectioned if you’re a current, immediate threat to yourself or others.
Considering she attempted suicide in the hospital and sent messages to a friend that claimed she would throw herself on train tracks that seems like she should be considered a threat to herself.