Thread 103848315

After more than 7 years of Hololive doing their thing out in the open, no one’s managed to replicate that same magic?
What gives?

They don't have their own Wizard Ojiichan.

He's been working on the magic for holo for years, simple as.

>>103848315 (OP)
Magic

>>103848315 (OP)
vtubing is a tiny niche hobby of little importance, it's amazing there's more than 1 company at all

>>103848315 (OP)
Well, they need a girl who gave a failing start-up an opportunity to change course and strike gold (hard), talents that can mingle well between each other (also hard, especially in the west), and find a way to tardwrangle them from committing multiple yabs.

>>103849235
>tardwrangle them from committing multiple yabs.
To this day I'm shocked at the tardwrangling skills of Rushias manager. Bro kept her on a leash for years.

>>103849193
tpbp
We're a niche of a niche of a niche outside of Japan, which is why it's important to grow the audience and spread awareness with wildly different and new types of girls.

>>103849235
>Find a girl who changed the course of a failing startup
The vtuber market is already oversaturated. It is next to impossible to do the same thing Sora has done.
>Girls that can mingle well
Cover is lucky for that, or their recruiters have some good skills.
>Tardwrangle them
Impossible.

non-hololive corporations like anykara and brave often want instant success, when success doesn't materialize they pull funding from their 'failed' projects. Hololive started with 17 viewers on sora's first stream and kept chugging along for years, building a viewerbase from scratch, yagoo continuing even with the early struggles and problems.

>>103848315 (OP)
covid corp

>>103848315 (OP)
what "magic"? it peaked in 2020 and has steadily declined ever since

>>103848315 (OP)
That same magic will never exist again my dude
hololive lucked out because everyone was stuck at home, they had a handful of clips get picked up in the algorithm, and there was a market of anime watchers fed up with the 10000th seasonal adaptation of a light novel isekai plot that were desperate for something fresh to latch on to
Those people have all moved on and latched on to the next thing that caught their attention which is why you barely see any english people typing in the hololive JP member streams and comment sections nowadays, because the only people who stuck around either did their reps or see no point trying to write a message to someone who can't understand a lick of english

Yagoo made a pact with a demon. It ensures that hololive will thrive and exist for xx amount of years. After the contract ends hololive will suddenly implode and the souls of the current members and yagoo will be devoured by the demon.

>>103850851
>which is why you barely see any english people typing in the hololive JP member streams and comment sections nowadays
Because there's an english branch of Hololive they can chat with now?

Many have tried. Most died.

Seems a lot of these companies are more interested in making quick cash and jumping ship than copying what Cover does. The girls are pretty much disposable to them.

>>103852363
Nene melons are obscene

>>103852327
Not everybody jumped to the hololive EN considering that there were a lot of JP purists within the vtuber fandom back then. By JP purist, i meant the "If you're not Japanese, then you're not a VTuber" kinds of purists.
I still remember vtuber fans even outside of 4chan doomposted about the end of vtubing when hololive EN were announced. Because holoEN will normalize english speaking vtubers.

>>103848315 (OP)
The average Vtuber is selfish.
>"I don't do idiot stuff"
>"I do streaming for MY benefit"
>"I do what's suits ME"
>"oh, vtubering is meant to be playing as anime girl? I'm not gonna do that."
>"Lore is cringe ew."
>"I stream MY WAY on MY CHANNEL"
>"and if you don't like that you can - "
Magic has to be made for all to enjoy. MEMEMEMEME Tubers wants to take take and gain gain gain.

>>103852266
>yagoo
>no homos
fake rrat

Not every vtuber company is backed by blackrock fortunately

>>103848315 (OP)
The average Vtuber is selfish.
>"I don't do idol stuff"
>"I do streaming for MY benefit"
>"I do what suits ME"
>"oh, vtubering is meant to be playing as anime girl? I'm not gonna do that."
>"Lore is cringe ew."
>"I stream MY WAY on MY CHANNEL"
>"and if you don't like that you can - "
Magic has to be made for all to enjoy. MEMEMEMEME Tubers wants to take take and gain gain gain.

>>103853306
>holoEN will normalize english speaking vtubers
it did. They saw
>full million gen
>most subbed chuuba
and thought
ez money doryaaaa

>>103853306
To answer the original Anon's comment about fewer english comments in JP chat, the JP purists hopefully learned enough Japanese to get by in a stream

>>103849193
https://x.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1959812135674167474

>>103848315 (OP)
Because everyone outside of holo wants to destroy idol culture without ever questioning why it's been a successful formula for 40+ years

>>103854318
>I don't want things to change because everything must stay the same forever, even if that means the downfall of the thing I like due to them falling out of the public eye by refusing to adapt.

>>103854318
It's not successful though. Nobody outside of hypernerd shut in communities knows what the fuck it is

>>103854318
The west does not know and they hate that shit.

>>103854318
The way to destroy idol culture is for it to become stagnant and keeping it from adapting to new environments.
You don't wanna be like Niji, trying to bring their tried and true JP corpo bullshit that made them wildly successful domestically out west and then wondering why the fuck everyone hates them.

>>103854567
Funny, change has brought down a lot of things. Video games are one of the best example of this.

>>103854757
Depends on what you call "brought down."
Indie video games are thriving.

>>103848315 (OP)
They are the one who broke vtubing out of it's niche bubble. They are the one responsible why vtubing reach the mainstream status. No one can and will replicate that.

>>103852363
I like them but for some reason they could never get more than a few hundred ccv. Maybe they should have botted, idk how the industry works.

>>103854846
nta but the thing I've noticed about my own consooming habits is that I feel much happier buying a $20 indie strategy game than shelling out $70 for a more grandiose game that most likely involves running your character around for half your play time.

>>103854909
Ehhhh
You could say the same about Nijisanji pre-holo.
And before that Kizuna Ai.
Nobody knows what the future will hold or what new things will come up to replace the old guard

>>103849235
That takes a lot of time. Corpos or those who aspire it want to be big in the shortest time because they are pressured to pay their debts. Raising an agency from the ground Sora style in this age looks wasteful.

>>103848315 (OP)
Covid helped them but tbf they were already growing a lot by 2019.

>>103848315 (OP)
there are hundreds upon hundreds of vtubers all just as talented if not more so than the girls iin hololive. the "magic" is made up in your own head because you had nothing better to do than watch vtubers in 2020 and never bothered to look anywhere else

>>103856440
tbf that's the point of holo. It's a filter so you theoretically wouldn't have to scour the thousands of indies to find one you like.

>>103854567
He's point is that without the idol culture, you are literally just a fleshstreamer with an avatar.
At that point, you might as well watch fleshfags.

>>103857630
People are, anon.
That's kind of the problem. They're going back to watching fleshies instead of Holo.

>>103854723
What are you even talking about? The problem with niji is that they DIDN'T apply japanese standards to the EN branch, they let them do whatever the fuck they wanted with no higher oversight or supervision which is why it devolved into such a shitshow and why nijiENs are allowed to post political woke bullshit all the time without getting slapped by management. They literally let the clowns run the circus.

>>103857709
What is your solution? How should they adapt?

>>103857720
Man, you really didn't pay attention to NijiEN or JP, did you?
For one, that's how they run the JP branch too.
For two, the management only seemed to exist to demoralize the talents and brainwash them into being easily manipulated, to the point where many of them genuinely think they didn't deserve their own youtube subscriber rewards.

>>103848315 (OP)
Particulars of being located in Japan, the one competitor who could challenge them is busy extracting pennies from their talents, economies of scale. They have a pretty solid moat

>>103857747
They need to be more diverse with their hiring to fill more niches, and they need to actually interact with the outside world more often via events, collabs, whatever. The goal needs to be to convert outside fans into holofans. Fauna was basically a fleshie with an avatar, and as such she brought a very large chunk of people into the community who were there because they liked that. Same with Gura.
If the vtuber community isn't big enough to pull more people from, then they need to grow the community by targeting new niches and audiences.

>>103857852
>turn it into nijiEN
I see

>>103854757
What's really funny is seeing what is the latest FOTM game, a horse racing game with Idol aesthetics (their last character is girl in love with (You)), and the west is loving this shit but I don't give 2 years to everyone starting to shit on it exactly like they do with Hololive, this is what westoids do

>>103857870
???
I'm not expecting them to harass the talent and hoard their play buttons, anon.

>>103857891
>last character is a girl in love with (You)
Still in Love is also a yandere. They have a content warning before entering career
>>103854567
Change is usually what kills things. The reason why Japan has had so many game franchises that have lasted for 20+ years is because they get so set in their ways. The worst thing you can do is push away the core of your support

>>103858182
>Change is usually what kills things.
sure, but in this case the thing is already dying slowly.
Obviously Holo itself will be fine for a while, especially JP(Just look at Niji hobbling along despite being long past its prime, and Holo's nowhere near that bad yet), but the way it's going now will just result in even more graduations with more chunks getting chipped away by the alums. They're just not getting new viewers with the way they've been doing things.

>>103858182
I think it's just cause gaming was fresh at the time and those playing it were young. Vtuber are fans are way too old to have that kind of staying power.

>>103858419
Not all that worried about anything that's "dieing slowly" because that describes society itself. The key is to die less slowly than everything else
You don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun your slowest friend

>>103854757
If with change you're mean capitalism's then you're right

>>103853882
The average western whore is selfish.
Most corpos try to apply Japanese corpo logic to a society of women who would kill themselves if faced with a week of a Japanese salaryman lifestyle.
They inevitably implode or cannibalize themselves as those women realize they can simply fuck over the corpo shackling them and keep all the money for themselves. Hololive (EN) is only barely keeping it together with their strict filtering.
Phase Connect is the only one doing it right so far in the west.

>>103856440
next you'll start complaining about all those take the indie pill threads

>>103857804
their sole competitor also consistently fumble every attempt they've had to reach outside their island

In conclusion
> Gura and Fauna are right.
>Hololive is wrong
>Losing them both is the end of Hololive
Just the usual

>>103859214
whatever lets you sleep at night Gunrun

>>103859214
>Fauna
is a cock gobbler who likes cock gobbling so much she quit her job so she could do it more often

>>103859214
where's the charity money cuntrun?

>>103849235
>they need a girl who gave a failing start-up an opportunity to change course and strike gold
It doesn't necessarily have to be only one girl but the goal is to have solid foundation and culture, also generally easier with more people to share the burden, in fact it's very risky to have one person to hold that much power, they are very lucky Sora is genuinely good person borderline a saint.

>>103857891
It's been around since 2021 in Japan so it isn't exactly FOTM there

>>103857709
People are tired of Vtubers because of the Hololive monopoly, they and other companies were more interesting when they had rivals

>>103862211
As much as people hate them, Vtubing was more interesting between 2021-2023 because NijiEN was a feasible rival at that point, and everyone was excited ro choose a side. The EN sphere being dominated by one side is boring, especially if you find generations like Justice boring. Advent is more interesting because Hololive was actively competing against other/bigger companies, same with Council competing against Lazulight. Nijisanji and Hololive are still competitors in Japan, but to knock out all of your competitors completely makes the industry really boring. There are always rivalries: in sports, WWE, anime/manga industry, etc.

>>103848315 (OP)
Others only copy what they see, like a cargo cult, but without realizing that Cover Corp is not a Youtube streamer agency, nor has it ever been.

>>103848315 (OP)
we takle down potential competitors like crabs ina bucket.

>>103862333
there's internal bad blood with holostars
Cover is trying
doesn't everyone love drama