Thread 103851945

No HoloEN, no Saba, no Dooby, no Mint, no Doki.
No big EN vtuber stream
Nimi carry the whole EN Vtubing on her back.

>>103851945 (OP)
how retarded are you? All of EN is at NY at the concert. They actually went btw, unlike Fauna last year

>>103851945 (OP)
>going to end this man's whole career
Is she going to LLD that man too?

>>103851945 (OP)
bro is overthinking.

>>103851945 (OP)
The ultimate EX Holo
>Sana
left when she was barely even streaming, didn't even make it to a year or danced on stage
>Ame
left when she was barely even streaming, sometimes did karaokes and played fps slop
>Fauna
left while on a high and continued to thrive as one of the most watched EN members, people even had to bot other members to beat her since 2024
>Mumei
left when she was barely even streaming, sometimes did karaokes and played fps slop
>Gura
left when she was barely even streaming, sometimes did karaokes and would ghost members/fans constantly

You know, I'm a doobert and I could have been watching her stream like i usually do because, well, i like nimi as a entertainer. But unlike Nimi and the naplings, we still support Hololive, so I preferred to watch the concert

Raora is literally doing a twitter space offcollab right now

>>103852334
as based as your oshi

>streaming a literal who game while your past co-workers of 4 years go on stage, does not delay this one stream

Perhaps women were a mistake.

>>103852334
Are there any naplings who still watch Hololive?
just curious

>>103854406
because of this >>103854603
She want to know if there are naplings who still watch Hololive. She made them choose between her streaming a literal who game vs HololiveEN concert.

>>103851945 (OP)
>You now realize that Nimi used Gura to get popular enough to leech off CGDCT-fans and even had a hand on her graduation as she's likely the one whispering negative things about Hololive to Gura and Mumei.

>shows her true colors via lore drop
>essentially ruins Gura's career by telling her that management will never listen to her.

>>103851945 (OP)
Neat, I'm still not gonna watch her

>>103854716
The reason Saba and Dooby excommunicate Nimi because they realized they had been had.

>>103852301
oh hey, that's mine lol >>103835566

>Fauna was a manipulative bitch after all.

If the shoe fits:

>>103851945 (OP)
>Saba and Dooby were watching AfO
>Nimi tried to overlap it
What's wrong with her?

>>103855494
>Management probably saw what she was doing (whispering to Gura, Kronii and Mumei about how they'll never progress while being in a corpo)
>so to stop the bleeding, they had to terminate her.
>this was in connection to the VShojo grift
>so to clean up loose ends and do a smokescreen: The Loredrop happened.

>>103855494
Why would Saba be watching? All her favorite hololive members left, it's why she left too.

>>103855572
Holy rrats!!
Gura had been at war with Cover management far longer than whatever Fauna whispering can have any effect on her.
The only believable rrat is that Kronii had a ONS with Fauna. After that she was ditched like a tattered rag.

>>103855813
Yeah, but it was just like any other Myth member's growing pains. After exposure to SNOT, that's when Gura started to become lazy. It's not a coincidence.

>>103854406
>>103854708
Why would she not stream for two days in a row just so she doesn't overlap with a concert from a company that she is no longer in? Doing that would be retarded, her fans still want streams and if they were busy watching the concert they can just watch the VOD later

>>103854603
Most of them still do from what I've seen. Feels like a very significant chunk.
>>103854406
>while
Call me crazy, but I don't think anybody who's physically in new york right now to see All for One is going to care about a random stream that they can catch the vod for afterwards.
Similarly, I don't think anybody watching Nimi today is at the concert.

Brownfeet's running out of ideas.

>>103854708
She don't want any of her naplings to still watching Hololive or have any love for them left
After LLD, it is becoming clear that in this case Hololive and her genmates are not in the wrong and she intentionally did them dirty to get drama buff. Naplings won't care about any of this because they're full on board Holohating train with Nimi. They may even praise her for how smart she is to be able to score a win against an evil Japanese company and their disgusting idol culture.

>>103855803
What are you on about? I'm pretty sure she's still on good terms with her genmates (At least Kiara from their last moments together).
You can have disagreements with management but to hate what made you and any good memories that came from it? They may have differences but it's an unforgettable experience each of them have, I'm sure

>>103856306
>but it's an unforgettable experience each of them have
Except for the one who literally streamed against the concert.

>>103855889
Because she is watching her friends perform? Would you not want to do that?

Dooby and Saba probably bought tickets under alts.

>>103856314
Kek, why do you pretend having a solo stream live the same time a concert is happening is such a big deal? Is this some kind of drama seeking mental illness? The world doesn't revolve around your company and people are free to do what they want.

>>103855889
She doesn't need to not stream 2 whole days, she doesn't need to overlap 2-3 hours from those 2 days.

>>103856357
She isn't tho
She'd just be watching a stream through a computer. a stream she can watch the vod for later.
>Dooby and Saba probably bought tickets under alts.
I doubt they needed alts and probably just got free copies.

>>103856396
She already skipped streaming the other day because of it and this is her usual stream time. Are you non-ironically this needy, and why should the entire world revolve around you?

>Napling damage control appears
Never her fault, guys.

Reminder that Nimi is the Lebron of the vtubing world. She never has any accountability for her actions because she always has reasons!

>>103856314
I've been trying to ignore that piece of work... Maybe it's just her personality of being incredibly self absorbed. All the worse if the rrats about saba and dooby are true

>>103856515
everyone got blindsided by her "loredrop". COVER probably terminated her because she was influencing others to quit.

Literally a reverse Doki.

>>103856628
>Literally a reverse Doki.
>Niji hired Doki to convince others to join and then everyone's eyes were healed by her breakup
Yup it checks out

>>103856306
>Aqua left
>Ame left
>Fauna left
>Shion left
>Mumei left
>Doesn't give a fuck about Advent
Like I said, all her favorite members left so why would she care to watch?

>>103856306
>>103856314
Gura
>hate Hololive
> love her genmates and some more in 2nd gen.
Fauna
>hate Hololive(even before joining)
>never like anyone except Gura and Mumei
>hate Japanese culture in general

>>103856683
>Fauna hated Hololive
>never like anyone except Gura and Mumei
holy retard

>>103851945 (OP)
>i'm an idol
>overlaps and doesn't watch the biggest EN idol concert of the year with all her former coworkers
KWAB

>>103856734
>VODs don't exist

>>103856731
>all of her nice interactions were a facade.
>meanwhile, both Gura and Mumei were visibly anguishing over leaving, but it had to be done.

>>103855813
Gura has been fine with maintaining the status quo for years and actually showed signs of being happy in late 2023 / early 2024. Why would she suddenly want to break it?
Given that she said "we" (Gura, Fauna, Mumei) decided to graduate at the same time, I'm inclined to believe that someone pushed her to break it. Now, notMumei still loves Hololive and in frequent contact with Bae (according to the later), so is it that unreasonable to assume that this "someone" was the only ex-HoloEN member who streamed during their concert?

Ngl, I know it's holo vs exholo but I do wonder why she streamed.

Maybe she wanted to know the answer to >>103854603 but it looks pretty bad. Overlapping GG's 3d was whatever, but this was both petty and stupid. More and more it feels like my rrat of her graduation being about not a phase is wrong, and there was something bigger, more serious.

>>103856793
bro she doesnt care

>>103856683
She might hate the restrictions but as you said it yourself; she loves her genmates. It's very likely she's watching them perform.
Not sure if Fauna hated hololive before joining but the other points check out. I think she likes the attention of being an idol but not the effort to get there (Her singing has not improved even the slightest and her dancing has been atrocious without even mentioning LLD)

>>103856734
Another fun fact that at least two out of her 3 fellow idols in Virtual Vacation watched HoloEN concert, with at least one of them confirmed to be there in person

>>103856750
Gura left similarly to Fauna? Except worse because she barely bothered to join branch collabs or interact with Advent, Gigi, and ERB. Her last collabs when she announced her graduation was Mumei and Myth. Fauna had a whole grad totsu, joined the christmas and new years events, had other members join her tree building, and had the baby coughing stream where Gura was also missing

>>103856849
Fauna got along better with the new gens and Gura with the old ones.

The only one that has mentioned Gura after graduation is Kiara and the only one that mentioned Fauna is Gigi.

Why? The most obvious explanation for Gura is that she was semi graduated when Advent and Justice debuted and she's shy.

>>103856844
I think the problem was she thought Cover would try more to get a 3D space in America, but it was just "I know you're scared of flights, have barely anything vegan to eat, have to be away from pets and family with a different time zone, don't know the language, have to fight with staff to get shit done, all of this stress and effort for months just to poop out something that's only like 1-2 hours and not exactly what you wanted... Also it'll get a DMCA and be taken down for days, but we won't warn you that it was gonna happen lol"

>>103856494
>Holocuck shocked to learn that no, vtubing doesn't revolve entirely around them, despite what this Bhutanese Bulletin Board might say.

This >>103856849
Although, Fauna's graduation announcement was more antagonistic, the actual graduation month of Gura was the most antagonistic in the history of Hololive.

>>103856793
She streamed because it was her usual stream day and she's no longer in Hololive, and so it would be retarded for her to keep following Cover's rules regarding when to stream and when to not stream when she's not in the company anymore, it's really not that deep

>>103857044
She has always been a 'my pace' kind of girl but everyone were under similar conditions. Even her vegan lifestyle has contradictions because of giving up things she enjoys (Honey or her Lattes). Looking back, I could see a lot of selfish indications but that made her decisions in games all the more entertaining.
I watched her streams at times but holy shit I'm glad I never paid into anything (Especially the hat)

>>103856493
I'm just saying the day has 24 hours. Streaming 2 hours after her usual time is not something she hasn't done before. Her full form model was revealed during that time.
This isn't a big deal for me as you make it out to be, but even if we take this as objectively as possible, her overlapping the concert means less views. It makes no sense, unless she wants prove a point.

>>103857091
When I said "Gura left similarly to Fauna" I meant their graduation announcement streams, they said mostly the same shit, but people shat on Fauna for not putting extra emphasis to not attack other members meanwhile no one shat on Gura's because... Fauna hate. Also I didn't mention Gura's song that may or may not have been a fuck you to Cover lol kinda deserved desu for Full Color never being released, Mumei's promised nendo being canceled along with Fauna's, Fauna's tree that took 2 years to finish getting deleted immediately, Gura's graduation live was only like 20 mins, and Mumei's had to be a 3rd party that got taken down for days like Fauna's 3D Showcase...

>>103857173
It's not about following rules, it's about showing you left on good terms and it's not about not having your fans to decide between you and holo.
I am not expecting her to do whatever Ame is doing (she's still involved somehow), but I expect her to not feed the krofau drama rrats.

>>103856793
She doesn't care about not a phase.
She had one orisong and one cover in her channel so far. The one who care more about this is Mumei.

>>103857401
Fauna said before that her streams don't have to take priority for something more important, just watch VODs, either hers or the concert. I didn't have a problem with watching holofes or holosummer VODs cause they were at like 5 or 6 am for me. They started exactly on her timeslot for 2 days in a row, if she took both days off then there'd be no streams that day for broke boys and people would shitpost about her busy getting fucked instead. Can't win.

>>103857468
I think he was talking about Not a Phase causing trouble for Fauna and Mumei at Breaking Dimensions. Mumei didn't want idol-like dance moves for a punk song, wasn't told exact timeframes because she had surgery planned or whatever, which led to both not MCing.

>>103857401
Well, from what we've learned so far. Stream overlapping with Holoive EN concert is the least malicious thing compare for what she had done to Hololive.

>>103857526
Let's be honest. She's getting dicked down often enough since she wants a family

>>103857601
>Now likely a result of Fauna misinforming Mumei about it, given that CC (who's a new talent) got to do her violin skit.

Amazing how much of a piece of work this "Kirin" is. Shondo was right.

>>103857650
She said she has problems focusing on multiple things, so she's probably gonna wait until she actually gets married first, but her eggs are running out of time lol

>>103857401
But they didn't leave on good terms.
Also they're not affiliated like Ame, they have no obligation to do so.

>>103857667
Why else do you think Mumei was going to leak Fauna's actual reason for graduating during her graduation stream? Fans just didn't figure it out since there wasn't enough information

>>103857748
??

>>103857667
What? Then what about Gura not doing it?

>>103857731
>they didn't leave on good terms.
Only Fauna worded her exit to be like that. Everyone else was either due to health or personal issues that got compounded by company direction.

Of all the EN graduations, Faunas is the only one who directly alludes to differences with Company, and her wording completely confirms it. Unlike Gura and Mumei, whose tones were sad, hers is hasty.

>>103857785
Remember that Fauna is Gura's closest friend next to Ame. Kirin already poisoned the well at that point.

>>103857768
When other Promise members were saying farewell to Fauna, Moom said "Penis". Everyone thought that it was a funny coincidence where her mic failed to catch what she said, and that she meant to say "(Hap)piness".
However, now that we know why Fauna graduated, it seems that it wasn't a funny coincidence, but Moom was trying to tell fans that Fauna graduated because of a dick, getting married and all. After all, Moom was and is very close to Bae and Bae got unfairly attacked by people for being indifferent towards Fauna's graduation back then, wouldn't rule out the chance that Moom was unhappy.

We really are back in the GRIM era if we're looping back to "[x] talent is the reason hololive is poisoned."

>>103857697
She has like 7 years still, assuming vegans are normal.

>>103857794
Fauna and Gura worded theirs mostly the same. I think Fauna mentioned that she's not leaving because she doesn't wanna be there, while Gura mentioned the stress of being super popular way too quickly.

>>103857883
gives validation to
> Kirin already poisoned the well at that point.

>>103857853
That makes some sense. But it is completely out of character for Mumei, she's very kind and forgiving and she was Fauna's best friend in Holo. I don't think she would do something like that.

>>103857877
Idk, I heard toxoplasmosis from cats can fuck up sperm and other shit lol

>>103857821
Not really. The relationship between Fauna and Gura was more one of admiration. Gura really likes Fauna as a content creator, but they were never that close. I would even argue that Mumei is much closer to Gura than to Fauna

>>103858002
It was the opposite. Fauna was a fan of Gura. Maybe it was reciprocated after Fauna joined but I agree that Gura was more close to Mumei (and that could just be the whole similar voice arc). Gura really vibes with Kronii though and there's that rrat about Kronii vs. Fauna

Mint and Doki were never in Holo
which proves there are other EN vtubers besides HoloEN

>>103857401
the rrats get disproven by themselves, it's not anyone's job to go out of their way and change their plans only to appease the dramafags

>>103858105
yeah i mean, gura was always talking about watching fauna's streams, that's what I meant

>>103858002
>Gura suddenly gets cut off from the rest of Myth sans Kiara (who is pushy when she wants to hang with people)
>suddenly decides alongside Fauna and Mumei.
yeah. I don't see how it isn't plausible that Fauna said some stuff to discourage both Mumei and Gura.

>>103851945 (OP)
>no one was streaming
It was Finanas chance to get 2finana!

>>103858170
>suddenly
You do know Ame graduated first, right?
At this point you might as well say Ame convinced all 3 to graduate.

>>103858170
You're giving Fauna too much credit. Mumei and Gura were already on their way out.

>>103854406
She fucking left.
Why the fuck would she need to not stream if she wants to, she has no relationship to the company
Doki usually takes Sunday's off too, and Mint is on a trip

>>103858321
Ame affiliated. You're forgetting that detail.
>But she wasn't at the concert

Logistics issues and they'd likely need to announce her.

>>103858321
NTA, but Gura said that they (Gura, Fauna, Mumei) decided to graduate together. She didn't mention Ame
I don't know if Fauna had any influence over the other 2, but since they decided together, it's fair to assume that they talked about it together before making the decision, too

>>103858393
Interesting.
If anything, it seems far more likely that Gura and Mumei convinced Fauna to graduate. Fauna was at least regularly streaming by the time she left, and is STILL the only one to consistently stream multiple days a week.

>>103858461
>Gura and Mumei didn't antagonize those who were left.
>Fauna did.

Suure.

>>103858393
I thought it was Kiara or Mori saying that it was announced together and that after Gura and Mumei, the sudden announcements were over

>>103858488
>antagonize
Oh boy. This should be good.
Explain how you believe Fauna "antagonized those who were left."

>>103858616
>let's pretend that her whole announcement didn't set pitchforks against members who said they were okay with the direction that COVER was taking.

Keep making excuses to the chronic backstabbing liar.

>>103858393
Ok maybe this is going to make Fauna sound too evil than she is, but what if she was contacted by some vshoujo member with the purpose of breaking up hololive so that Vshoujo could poach them?
And Fauna tried to come around and get some people to leave with her, with only Gura and Mumei agreeing due to the promises of talent freedom?

The only problem is that I don't know who this person could be. At first I thought Mint, but Mint was already involved with her idol gen and we know who was in it.

>>103858660
Gura
https://youtu.be/7WFg2wq10rw?t=216
>My reasons being disagreements with management and company direction.
Mumei
https://youtu.be/4qCfplhCk6A?t=90
>the reasons being internal misalignments witth the company

so why aren't you complaining about Mumei and Gura?

>>103858660
>let's blame Fauna for something schizos did
holoantis were looking for any excuse to shit on cover at the time, and don't pretend Gura did anything to stop that

>>103858660
It's not Fauna's fault. After Aqua, Ame, Chloe, and then her, people were wondering if something bad was happening behind the scenes with Cover for the back to back graduations and just hearing "Disagreements with management" over and over again.

>>103858725
Because Tone and wording are important. Mumei and Gura also explained their reasons better than Fauna.

>>103858461
LMAO
Fauna is the most prepared for going indie.
She planned for this since 2023.

>>103858745
I'm too popular is a shit reason

>Has plushie sale at debut.

Only Mumei was honorable enough to keep her promise (pun intended)

Otoh I am not sure how much Fauna planned all of this. Not having a model ready suggests that, at least, the graduation happened earlier than she expected.

>>103858745
That's a lie. Gura worded hers mostly the same as Fauna. Mumei even said afterwards that people got the wrong idea from her message which is ironic considering she even got it translated to japanese by Bae because people were more focused on her throat problems than the management issues.

>>103858781
>Got found out that she was influencing others to feign laziness and outright ignore management.

well, no shit, Sherlock.

>>103858689
She was the victim of Gunrun's hypnosis.
They hacked and installed the app on her phone when they met in some convention.

>>103858812
like Persona 5?

>>103858745
No, they didn't.
Gura and Fauna used the exact same wording. Hell, Mumei's was even worse, with "misalignments" having more negative connotations than simple "disagreements," and implying that Holo couldn't help her health conditions! After all, why would they keep her singing if they knew about her throat problems?

So please explain how you believe Fauna's "my reasons for leaving are disagreements with management" and Gura's "my reasons being disagreements with management and company direction."

>>103858801
If that happened it would have ground for immediate termination with no final stream.

>>103858660
That was not her intention at all.
She just wanted all saplings to stomp out of the door of Hololive-walled garden and attracted indiefags and dramatourists.
What happen to her genmates next is not of her concern.

>>103858788
>>103858838
>Gura and Fauna used the exact same wording.
They did not and I wish saplings would stop lying
>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here. And I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol.
Fauna's words. This is why her graduation caused so much of a shitstorm because she made it sound like she was being forced out. Gura, Mumei, Ame, none of them said anything like this.

>>103858892
>Fauna's words. This is why her graduation caused so much of a shitstorm because she made it sound like she was being forced out
Ironically you are calling other people liars when you are just straight up lying yourself. No one ever thought she was being forced out, and before you reply with a dumb fucking cope go ahead and link me a post suggesting that.

>>103858393
>Gura said that they (Gura, Fauna, Mumei) decided to graduate together.
Gura did not say this and it's confirmed that they all graduated for different reasons. This guy is correct >>103858607
You've been corrected on this point many times and at this point I think you're lying on purpose.

>>103858892
Pretty sure Gura made it clear that she was gonna return, and her being the biggest member in Hololive probably caused more of a shitstorm and "Hololive is over bros", but 4chan literally died when she announced it lol

>>103858927
>No one ever thought she was being forced out
Now you're lying but no matter what evidence I link you'll say they're not real fans or whatever, this has been done so many times.
>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here.
What exactly do you think this part means? Go ahead and explain it to me then.

>>103858959
>Now you're lying but no matter what evidence I link you'll say they're not real fans or whatever, this has been done so many times.
You immediately did what i said you were going to do amazing. Go on, link a post from here saying people thought that or admit your lying.
>What exactly do you think this part means? Go ahead and explain it to me then.
The company's direction, same reason a bunch of others left, they wanted to be idol's on the side, with a main focus on streaming.

>>103858951
Gura made it extremely obvious she was going to return. She also acknowledged that the graduation was a long time coming. Nothing like Fauna's "I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here" statement because everyone knew Gura was checked out and wanted to leave.

Cucklings white knighting their oshi and put the blame on other is always a sight to behold.

>>103858959
>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here.
probably that Hololive isn't a bad place, her friends staying there is okay. She just wanted to focus on streaming and doing things at her own pace without perms, managers, going on planes away from pets and family for months and making her a puddle, 3am meetings that could've been a email, etc.

>>103858990
do you want me to link random 4chan posts or some shit?
Here I'll link you posts from /uuu/ from a quick search
>>90613693
>>90748365
from global
>>90567660
random catalog thread
>>90794628

>but it's just one post
Go and read the entire thread, there's tons of others with the same sentiment

>>103858990
I pressed submit too early
>The company's direction, same reason a bunch of others left, they wanted to be idol's on the side, with a main focus on streaming.
This is literally a twitter narrative, the only person who left who cared more about streaming than idol stuff was Fauna. The rest clearly didn't give much of a fuck about streaming and were fine doing idol concerts.

>>103858927
>Ironically you are calling other people liars when you are just straight up lying yourself. No one ever thought she was being forced out, and before you reply with a dumb fucking cope go ahead and link me a post suggesting that.
Vt was shitted on Kronii for months.

>>103858930
This is the first time I posted this so I’m not sure how I'm supposed to be "corrected on this point so many times"
> it's confirmed that they all graduated for different reasons
That’s true, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t decide it together
>>103858607
I could be wrong but I'm quite sure Gura said it. I do remember, thought, that Kiara said what you mentioned (that the surprise announcement was over), too

>>103858892
>Fauna's words. This is why her graduation caused so much of a shitstorm because she made it sound like she was being forced out.
how fucking ESL are you to think that she was being forced out from that?
Dear lord. I didn't know this was the kind of nonsense I was dealing with.
She said why she left. Disagreements with management. It's not idol stuff, and it's not because she doesn't like Hololive. She just doesn't want to work there anymore. It's not a negative statement.
>>103858994
Anon, it says pretty clearly that she's not coming back.

>>103859073
Incredible out of all those posts, only ONE suggests what you are saying, and the rest are just saying management disagreements. Good job proving you were lying on your own.
>>103859103
Ah yes all those girls who left who now just doing streaming, do not want to do mainly streaming. Nice fucking cope.

>>103859140
well she did come back, not as Gura kek

>>103859140
Don't be daft. Not as Gura but as another character. She dropped so many hints about reincarnating in her last few weeks it was embarrassing.

>>103859111
>vt was shitting on Kronii for months
I think that had to do with her ignoring Fauna for a year, had so much fish knowledge at Ame's aquarium but nothing for Fauna's, then copy pasted Bae's tweet and didn't show any emotion or care like with Ame's graduation. I think everyone is still confused about what started it and why she couldn't get over it for her genmate/friend leaving after years together, they even visited and slept together on the same bed. She still ignores Nimi's account but helped Dooby with a cover, collabed with NotSana, and tweeted at Saba.

>>103859140
>how fucking ESL are you to think that she was being forced out from that?
Are you ESL?
"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here" means that she wants to be here but she can't be here. She clarified a bunch of reasons that weren't the reason why she was leaving which led a lot of people to conclude that she was being forced out by management.
>She said why she left.
She didn't. She said she was leaving but obviously she couldn't talk about what the disagreements with management were. None of what she said explained the "not leaving because I don't want to be here" part.
>She just doesn't want to work there anymore.
Nope, the part I just quoted literally says it's not because she doesn't want to be there.

>>103859146
>Ah yes all those girls who left who now just doing streaming, do not want to do mainly streaming.
All of those girls stream less than they did while in Hololive and meanwhile they've still done or talked about doing future idol stuff. The only one you can make the "mainly streaming" argument about is Fauna because she hated going to Japan and never had a 3D live, but even so she still did virtual vacation so the streaming vs idol angle makes no fucking sense.

>>103859240
>I think everyone is still confused about what started it and why she couldn't get over it for her genmate/friend leaving after years together, they even visited and slept together on the same bed. She still ignores Nimi's account but helped Dooby with a cover, collabed with NotSana, and tweeted at Saba.
We all know THAT confession on Shiori stream was from Kronii, we just need to figure out who was THE friend.

>>103859019
This is my real time reaction when I watched the announcement.
>I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here.
genuinely feel sorry for her and her gen wond ering what went wrong
>And I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol.
absolute BS

>>103859328
How much they stream is irrelevant, the content they do does, and it isn't idol stuff. The girls in hololive themselves for god sakes point out the companies direction is different now.

>>103859146
>and the rest are just saying management disagreements.
Your original cope was that no one thought she was being forced out and that management disagreement was peaceful and no one had a bad reaction to it
What do you think these people are saying? Are you saying think it's a mutual think and they think Fauna left on good terms? Go ahead and read the thread, this is from /uuu/ liveposting the announcement. >>90557111

>>103859277
>She clarified a bunch of reasons that weren't the reason why she was leaving which led a lot of people to conclude that she was being forced out by management.
She explicitly said why she didn't want to be there, anon. You're inventing random nonsense to get angry about. Again.
She said it in the exact same way that Gura and Mumei did.
>>103859328
>but even so she still did virtual vacation so the streaming vs idol angle makes no fucking sense.
NTA but I think the difference here is that she used a local studio to record it.

>>103859377
Nimi has done an idol concert since leaving. Dooby has done an idol concert and also appeared in a Holo concert. Saba has talked about doing idol concerts in the future.
They are clearly still fine with doing idol stuff and enjoy it.
None of the girls who talked about a difference in company direction said anything about an increased focus on idol stuff btw. Hololive is still doing the same amount of idol stuff every year. Nothing has changed.

>>103859364
>And I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol.
>absolute BS
Did you forget what Nimi did on July 5th? And on her first stream back, she said she already wanted to do it again?

>>103859384
I said no one said she was being forced out, and you're posting a fucking screencap of exactly what i said, good job. I'm glad you agree with me that you lied.
>that management disagreement was peaceful and no one had a bad reaction to it
LOL LITERALLY LYING i never said that, Go ahead link the post i said no one had a bad reaction and it was peaceful. Dear god your just straight up proving me right you absolute dolt.

>>103859424
What do you think being "forced out" means? Do you think it only applies to terminations and not incompetent management? Plenty of people thought Coco was forced out even though obviously she wasn't fired.

>>103859407
Yes, because like i said, idol stuff on the side, with streaming being the major focus. All three of them prove my point.
>None of the girls who talked about a difference in company direction said anything about an increased focus on idol stuff btw.
Everyone who left hololive has had vague statements as why, this means nothing. Only Gura has actually given her reason.

>>103859446
Being forced out is a very different statement then disagreement with management, and i am not going to play retarded semantics.

>>103859384
It was an absolute shitstorm all over the place.
4Chan, twitter, facebook, reddit, etc. all furious at Cover. It was unprecedent in Hololive. It feels more similar to Niji EN graduation announcement.

>>103859447
>idol stuff on the side, with streaming being the major focus. All three of them prove my point.
No, none of them prove your point at all because it's no different from what most girls in Hololive do - streaming as as the main focus with idol stuff on the side a few times a year except for a few people like Suisei who genuinely are idol stuff first streaming dead last in priority. That's always been the case in Hololive and functionally you cannot show a difference between that and what you claim are the 3 people who are streaming first.

>>103859493
The girls spend all the time are doing dancing and singing practice, are you a tourist? Do you know what they mean when they refer to "homework"?

>>103859463
"disagreement with management" is literally a boilerplate statement which says almost nothing which is why most people cared about the rest of the statement in all the graduation announcements. That's why people reacted to the graduations differently - the content was fundamentally different

Funny how people seemed to have memoryholed Gura's song so quickly

>>103859487
It's still fucking insane.
The reason it likely blew up so much and the others didn't was because Fauna actually streamed and thus was still in the public eye.

>>103859543
>Napling throws Gura under the bus.

Like fandom like oshi. Using others as a scapegoat when the going got tough.

>>103859411
want to an idol
> didn't try to improve her singing
> didn't try to improve her dancing
> also did a little lore drop
She only want other to worship her as an idol. That is the only aspect of idol she want.

>>103859519
>The girls spend all the time are doing dancing and singing practice
They really don't most of the time. Again, this only happens around concert season and even Nimi had that recently right before Virtual Vacation.
I get the feeling some of you have made up some version of Hololive where everyone is in endless idol practice year round. Maybe if your oshi is Bae but meanwhile someone like Biboo is still streaming first and foremost. There's always been people in Hololive who focused more on idol stuff and people who focused more on streaming and none of that has changed, there is no shift towards idol activities. And a lot of the girls who left also enjoy idol activities which is why they still want to do them after they leave.
What has happened is that Hololive has become more corporate, more sponsorships, more shilling, and that would be a legitimate complaint. There's also the travel component which would be a big deal if you intend on raising a family.

>>103859568
So do you actually have a reason why Gura's is okay but Fauna's isn't, or are you just going to cry whenever something challenges your narrative?

>>103859607
>more sponsorships, more shilling
Only Ame and kinda Gigi fit here. Everyone else has done basically no sponsorship.

>>103859607
It is all the time, Bae has spoken about this and about the huge amount of work she does causing her burnout. Dancing/singing lessons, tons of merch projects. All of these are part of the idol business. You are just lying to yourself pretending that streaming is their main gig, it isn't. Most of the work they do is not related to streaming.

>>103859616
Because the reasoning behind her "disagreements with management" are concrete and can be seen with her projects being rejected left and right, being replaced with Umisea slop.

>>103859633
Most of the girls are not Bae which is why I used her as an example. Bae takes extensive dancing and singing lessons and has shown visible improvement and has a ton of output. It's simply disingenuous to pretend everyone in Hololive has the same amount of idol workload. And again, all of that is completely voluntary. None of it is forced, and many of the girls don't do it.

>>103859657
>It's simply disingenuous to pretend everyone in Hololive has the same amount of idol workload. And again, all of that is completely voluntary. None of it is forced, and many of the girls don't do it.
You completely misunderstood my point, they are not stream centric. I never once said anything about it not being voluntary but it is their focus. And while not every one of them does all the singing and dancing, they ABSOLUTELY do all those merch projects.

>>103859639
Since leaving Hololive, Nimi has completed at least three MVs and performed in a concert.
Why do you think she wasn't also affected by the same issues?

>>103859712
>they ABSOLUTELY do all those merch projects
What merch projects are you even talking about? Most of those don't even have a stream involved, or maybe they will have one stream to shill whatever merch they're selling but most of the time it's just a twitter post. They do not take a significant amount of time because it's not the girls setting up the merch projects, management is doing the heavy lifting on that.

>>103859730
>Nimi has completed at least three MVs and performed in a concert.
Ok, now I am even more convinced she was scouted/approached by vshoujo to form a idol unit. Was Mint involved?

>>103859814
Like I said, the loredump is a smokescreen for the dirtier laundry.

>>103859601
>didn't try to improve her singing
So she made up all those stories about her vocal teacher? About which songs fit her voice? Pronouncing Chappell Roan correctly? Practicing Still into you?
>didn't try to improve her dancing
She literally followed her dance instructor on twitter, same one that Kiara used, and talked about how Caramelldansen was fast and hard to do which is why she usually goes for slower dances. She mentioned her dance outfit and said her instructor looked cute or whatever. She's not even as bad as Ina and Mumei that were memed for their "just walking to one side of the stage" performances, or when Kiara laughed at Ame's stiff dancing on twitter during her 3D showcase.
>also did a little lore drop
What does that have to do with anything? Azki is still an idol and there's some love live members that got married and still did idol shit?

>>103859832
Let me hear your thoughts, because I have been wondering about the purpose of the lld

>>103859814
No because we already know about the 2 others who were going to be part of it

>>103859814
>Was Mint involved?
?????
Why the fuck would you ever think Mint would try to convince somebody to leave Hololive?

>>103859771
>Most of those don't even have a stream involved
I do not mean this in a rude way but are you ESL, that is utterly irrelevant, the streaming is the real side work to what they actually do, which is what i am talking about.
>. They do not take a significant amount of time because it's not the girls setting up the merch projects, management is doing the heavy lifting on that.
Not true at all, Those MV's, those merch projects, that is the girls who are in charge of it all, management does help but as the girls who have spoken about it, they themselves are the ones who workshop the ideas and go back and forth between the people they work with. They do take a significant amount of time, these things take a months to come to fruition .

>>103859814
Vshojo is twitch shit, Nimi never even made a twitch for niminightmare or whatever. She hates watching twitch's annoying forced ads and naplings agreed which is why she'd never stream there they also told her not to do vertical streams when it was giving thousands of free subs like candy because it made streams look worse Mint said it was Phoebe and someone else in the idol group, but they would've just said it was Nimi or she would've been more upset about what happened and explained her side, but it was just a quick mention and donation to the charity.

>>103859880
>the streaming is the real side work to what they actually do, which is what i am talking about.
This one's always rough to realize.
A few of the workaholics often say that the stream is just their breaks between work.

>>103859833
She's about to have idol concert. Of course, she will have some practice.
And yes, she didn't improve.
>also did a little lore drop
What does that have to do with anything? Azki is still an idol and there's some love live members that got married and still did idol shit?
AZKI never announce that AZKI is married. The roommate is married.
Love Live Project is over 10 years old. Its member are practically VAs not real idols. They can get married and still participate in their project as long as the franchise's still alive.
It's not like their character is married also.

>>103859880
I'm not ESL but you might be because I'm sorry if you're including "merch" in "what they actually do" then that is no different if you are not in Hololive. Streaming is the side business, money is the main business. That is always true for streamers.
>those merch projects, that is the girls who are in charge of it all, management does help but as the girls who have spoken about it, they themselves are the ones who workshop the ideas and go back and forth between the people they work with
You are talking about birthday and anni personal merch but even indies have personal merch like that. That's not really idol stuff anyways, that's streamer stuff. Not sure why you are bringing that into this discussion about idol work when all big indie vtubers also have to workshop this stuff offstream

>>103860065
>she didn't improve
just say you never watched Fauna
>AZKI never announce that AZKI is married. The roommate is married.
There's like no difference between Nimi tweeting it and Azki's RM tweeting it, it's just some weird cope since people bring up member's roommates and their (past) relationships all the time
>Love Live's members are practically VAs not real idols
They've done the same in person concerts that Hololive members have done for years, except they're actually there in person singing and dancing live instead of pre-recorded performances. So idk if you're just unaware that they do more than voice acting or downplaying them for no reason.

>>103860271
>she didn't improve
I stand by my statement. I saw her improvement over the years as Fauna. She didn't get better from there.
> no difference between Nimi tweeting it and Azki's RM tweeting it
She specifically said the little lore drop. Meaning her character is married too. This is not an idol behavior.
>Most VAs in Japanese do concerts all the time. The VAs never identify themself as idols. The fan also don't treat them as such.

If you want to redefine how an idol should be that's fine but it's not what Japanese idol originally about.

>>103859866
Because we know she was behind the idol unit of vshoujo, we know she's still with Nimi after the lld.

>>103852126
Fpbp

>>103860543
>>103852126
Gura and Mumei didn't go either >>103857785

>>103860607
>>103852126
Mumei and Gura didn't go either >>103857785

>>103860710
yeah, but unlike Fauna, Mumei still communicates with Bae and Gura still communicates with Kiara.

>>103860535
She did improve, like see her Stay with me performance and compare it to her singing at debut, she's tone-deaf but she's gotten better with singing low.
Saying "little lore drop" was just a joke, when she said she'll keep streaming until she's a grandma doesn't mean she'll have a pregnant belly and get gray hairs with wrinkles. The streamer and the vtuber have always been linked closely, which is why they never replaced Gura or whoever with a new VA. Gura getting a new cat is just because her roommate got a new cat, people care about the person more than the "character" that is 4.5 billion years old but read Twilight in middle school before the movies came out.
It's funny because there was some butthurt people that got upset when Hanamaru's VA announced she was getting married before Aqours Final Live. The opposite with Nimi announcing it after.

>>103860746
Didn't kiara say she missed Gura yesterday? Also we're talking about the same Gura that would ghost other members constantly, including Kiara for the Christmas advent calendar videos.

>>103860957
To be fair LLfags will bitch about anything. They were bitching about vtubers and then did a complete 180 when Hasunosora debuted.

>>103860957
You just proved my point about how idol originally is.
You also redefined that a vtuber is just a flesh tuber with an anime avartar. Roleplay and kayfabe mean nothing.
In your terms Nimi is either
An idol but in her own newly defined term
or
not an idol and doesn't act like one
I'm glad we finally have an understanding.

>>103862047
She's always said that she's just a streamer that streams or a gaming idol kirin/tapir and to not think that she's someone special or important, because of her imposter syndrome. Being a tapir or nurse doesn't really matter since her last Teddy stream she said she could choose to be a vampire or whatever someday and she's just cosplaying a nurse like Marine is with a pirate. I feel like she can be considered an idol like most of Hololive, if she can't because she's not corpo or married then I guess there's a bunch of idols that can't be called one anymore.

>>103859353
I didn't watch, which confession?

>>103862588
>I feel
good for you but Nimi herself say that she's just a streamer. She doesn't consider herself and idol.

>>103862692
She does though

>>103862816
Oh! so that is why you are staunchly defend her idol status, even though she doesn't act like a traditional one.
She truly want to redefine what an idol and vtuber is after all.
She want to have her cake and eat it too
Thank you for your membership post screenshot. I have solid proof to argue whenever anyone say she is not an idol and doesn't have to act like one.

>>103852334
>But unlike Nimi and the naplings
You almost had me. You're a fake ass doobling. The real dooberts seek peace and maintain good relationships with the fans indies, ex-holos, and holos. Most of us still choose to support Holo. What we don't do however is this divide and conquer shit of turning (ex)holo against (ex)holo. Begone evil spirit.

>>103863101
What? There's gaming streamers and married members in Hololive, no one says they aren't idols, unless for shitposting cause they "broke the rules". Remember that one shitposter spamming for years that Fauna will never be an idol and other shit.

>>103856793
The way I see it, it's actually not more serious but more simple. She figured she doesn't need Cover to be successful and she put in her graduation request, then she started garnering sympathy by overplaying the negative aspects of her job and she ate her own kool-aid, resulting in burning bridges and holding a grudge against Cover.

>>103856793
Can we please at least stop saying overlapping GG's 3D? She did not overlap the 3D showcase, she DID overlap her AFO solo yesterday. We don't need to add lies when there's already so much ammo

>>103859543
The one in which she was shitting on her antis?

>>103863240
Yes, because they're in an idol vtubing company.
Everyone there are idols because they give them the title and guarantee it.
Now when you're independent you can consider yourself an idol, a tapir, an elephant or president of United States. Whether other consider them as such is a different story.
Finally, I understand now what her lore truly is.
>Nimi Nightmare, a married self-proclaimed idol fleshtuber with an avatar of nurse tapir.

>>103852149
kek

>>103854406
If my best friend had a concert going on with a $10 online ticket, I wouldn't watch it either.
I'm not obligated to watch just because we're friends, and she isn't either.

>>103857044
It was probably more like
>No, we're not paying for your boyfriend to come with you
>No, we're not helping him get a visa either

>>103864586
Well, they were paying for her boyfriend when he was working for the company.

>>103864397
Kronii is Fauna childhood friend?

>>103864671
Where in the confession is it talking about a childhood friend

>>103859111
vt shitted on kronii for months because kronii was the only one to publicly show there was a feud going on. fauna didn't bring it up, didn't unperson kronii, didn't unfriend kronii on steam, didn't avoid saying her name. the dumbass saplings didn't even believe there was a kronii/fauna issue since they only watched fauna's perspective. only those who watched kronii noticed kronii specifically went out of her way to avoid saying fauna's name. the ame aquarium thing reallly brought it to light - kronii literally spoke about every fish (even the homos) except the fauna axolotl. timeline wise it looked more like fauna left because of kronii.

>>103864491
You’re a shitty friend and probably a shitty selfish person.

>>103864491
Nimi...

>>103864491
I don't think they're Nimi's friend.

>>103864491
based sociopath

>>103856062
Aren't you fucking people embarrassed to type on this website without even knowing the language?

what the fuck is going on in this thread??? i feel like im reading some random newspaper shit. oh maybe it's just 4chan fanfic.

>>103866886
Yeah. In this case it doesn't matter who is in the wrong or in the right as the reasons for their personal issues with each other are mostly hidden behind the scenes.
However the cold treatment/unpersoning is something directly observable and it is not a good look without knowing the why.
People are going to speculate and of course there are a lot who will not do so in good faith

mom i posted it again