Thread 103853899

Doing this retarded thing where you drop the model you've paid for entirely because the artist committed a crime should be laughed at, but here we see it praised.

>>103853899 (OP)
Man, he's sure gonna be able to make her all those new outfits and toggles from behind bars.
Idiot.

>>103853962
You don't need to immediately stop using a model just because you can't get new outfits and toggles, you low IQ cretin.

>>103854028
Why stay with a model that can go nowhere?
Especially when the japs have gone feral on people for far less.
There are zero upsides for continuing to use the kiddy diddler's model.

>>103854076
She immediately dropped the model and went on a short hiatus instead of using it while commissioning for a new one.

>>103853899 (OP)
ok

That's a really cute banner pattern. What is that, looks like... white banner, light blue gradient, white flower charge, light blue per fess, pink roundel, light blue inverted chevron?

>>103853899 (OP)
>you drop the model you've paid for entirely because the artist committed a crime
Cuz the price of not having people go "Hey didn't that who fucked that kid and then wrote a doujin about it make your model?" is worth more than the model itself

>>103854147
And?

>>103854221
And you can't read.

>>103854245
I can read, anon.
You're just retarded

No matter how you try to spin it, keeping the model would be simply bad optics and not good marketing. Dropping it is the correct call from a business perspective.

I heard some people spread rumors that 1010 was one of the girls gaou molested--ridiculous, but it's the kind of thing that happens when this kind of incident goes down. The stink of his crimes will stick to anyone vaguely associated with him. Sakuna's lucky she's at least able to afford a new model.

>>103853899 (OP)
In this case people are explicitly using her name to even talk about his drama since that's the only reason anyone gives a shit, so I can see why she personally would want to leave him behind even if it's a terrible principle overall. Normally this type of behavior is people calling out those who are higher up than them in a power grab but in this case people are trying to drag her down over someone beneath her having a controversy while she is actually not related.

>>103853899 (OP)
Even if it was the greatest model ever I would outright refuse to continue using a model made by a pedophile, because I actually have morals.

>>103854174
Huh... white... blue... pink... oh no. OH NO!

>>103854174
Huh, no, that sharp divide looks all wrong. Odd.

>>103854666
Scared of a little color scheme, Satan?

>>103854931
It might be the shaders?

>>103853899 (OP)
no one would want to use a model made by this creepy mf

>>103854651
What are the morals of not employing someone who committed a crime?
Are they supposed to be jobless indefinitely?
Toddler-level take.

>>103854952
Gradient version looks off with my shaders disabled still. I removed the gradient to see if that was it, but I can't find any angle where the bottom of the banner gets a white gradient appearance from the lighting or anything.

>>103854076
>>103854651
He didn't diddle any kids.
He had a consenting relationship with a pubescent/ post-pubescent minor, who got mad about the breakup and got back at him by exposing his crime.

>>103855076
Retard

>>103854651
You use things everyday that were made by pedophiles without a single concern.

>>103855132
But enough about the people I replied to.

>>103855076
>He had a consenting relationship with a pubescent/ post-pubescent minor,
minors can't consent.

>>103855052
Wait, I think I've got it. Putting a white gradient on top of the whole thing doesn't overpower the symbols in the middle as much as I expected, and this puts the saturation of the pink much closer to the screenshot too. Light blue banner, white flower charge, light blue per fess, pink roundel, light blue inverted chevron, white base gradient.

>>103855153
But everyone disagrees what age you can consent at (you won't find a single civilized country that says teenagers can't consent to sex, they just say the adults are engaging in statutory rape).

>>103855153
Wrong.
The age of consent in Japan is 16, the age of majority in Japan is 18.
Thus, minors can legally consent.

>>103855212
>But everyone disagrees what age you can consent at
It doesn't matter. Japan defined an age. He knew that and broke it.

>>103855162
Oh damn that looks super pretty. That's a really smooth gradient now.
I wish I had the patience for map art. It's always fun seeing what people come up with

>>103855244
>HE BROKE THE LAW!!
Why are rulecucks so retarded? No one contested that fact.

>>103855232
And the girl was below both.

>>103855288
I know, I am just correcting what you said.
Saying "minors can't consent" doesn't make any sense since the age of consent and the age of majority are more often than not different.

I would feel so disgusted if I was her, the guy who was her main designer since literally the beginning and likely based art off her from his sick shit. Wonder who she'd even get now, maybe the SAO artist that would be cool as fuck

>>103855338
>and likely based art off her from his sick shit.
schizo hours

>>103855325
Fair. It's a messy subject all around.
The idea is sound that a child isn't mentally or physically mature enough to care for a child of their own, and that mature adults shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of that and scar children for life to satisfy their own desires.
Though due to different cultures, everyone's gonna have to pick their own definition for when someone stops being a child...

>>103855363
He literally admitted in the interview that he based alot of his art off the girl, many artists with similar styles do the exact same shit and the community needs to call out these sick fuckers

>>103855422
Hope they do it more to cause more seethe in moralfags kek

>>103855438
>You're a moralfag if you're against artists using actual minors as reference for their anime girl art

>>103855493
>WAAAAH STOP DRAWING ART THAT OFFENDS HURTS MY FEELINGS >:(
Total. Moralfag. Death.

>>103855244
It's always funny when people appeal to law because they have no morals but then when that same law gives out a sentence other than the one they think is deserved, suddenly it's time to get outraged.

>>103855519
Again, you're a fucking degenerate if you think what he did was ok

>>103855584
>Y-YOU'RE DEGENERATE!
Yawn, tell your master to give you some new brainwashing.
I am getting tired of the Tiktok-brained insults.

>>103855619
Please explain to me how using literal minors as reference for lewd anime girl art is ok, he literally ruined his entire career because of this so you're opinion in unequivocally wrong

>>103854028
Anon this is Japanese culture.
If she didn't abandon all association to him, it would be seen as though she's standing by him or endorsing him.
Take a look at what happened when Pierre Taki was arrested for cocaine.
When you get caught for shit in Japan, everyone washes their hands of you.

Is OP competing for the "biggest retard on /vt/" trophy?

>>103854985
>Are they supposed to be jobless indefinitely?
If he's a pedophile? Yes.

>>103855232
>The age of consent in Japan is 16
It's the same in the US, but a minor cannot consent to sex with an adult even if they're over the age of consent.

Fucking hell, I know this board is full of contrarians but to be contrarian enough to stand with pedophiles is astounding. Or maybe the brown people here are just coping hard because denouncing this guy means they have to look within the fucked up morals of their own society

>>103855366
>and that mature adults shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of that and scar children for life to satisfy their own desires.
I am not sure if that's a valid fear. Countries like Germany have their AoC set to 14, yet don't experience significantly more sexual abuse cases per capita because of it.
If what you were saying were true, we'd have countless documentaries and articles about the hidden side of Germany's grooming problem, or whatever.
>>103855520
They sing a different tune when the law doesn't line up, but their arguments don't really change.
It's always an attempt at overpowering someone to shut them up,
>If you're doing something, you should be locked up, if you can't be locked up, you should still be cancelled and shamed and mocked, etc.
In their brains, there is no room to argue, so they'll take pride in being bad faith and pat themselves on the back for using dishonest rhetoric.
It's the argument version of taqiyya.

>>103855722
Its called separating the art from the artist, I know you wokies have a hard time doing that but he created great art that shouldn't be soiled by his actions

>>103855722
This is the board that has a dedicated general for pedophiles. It's not just that they're contrarian, it's that they're actual pedophiles here, so they get mad when that gets threatened.

>>103855641
>Please explain to me how using literal minors as reference for lewd anime girl art is ok,
It's just a drawing, get over it.
>OH NOOOO I SEE MYSELF IN A DRAWING!
Get over yourself, retard. You're not important. All art is derivative.
>he literally ruined his entire career
Of course the moralfag conflates personal morality with public opinion. KEKYPOW

>>103855752
>I think Sakuna should get blacklisted by the industry because her pedophile artist made my pp hard.

>>103855699
pretty sure that depends on the state, and most of europe isn't like that

>>103855772
>it's just a drawing
Yes, drawings that were modeled after a minor that he was sexually involved with you degenerate fuck. The dude is absolutely fucked and that is the end, idk why you are being such a freak trying to defend a literal pedo

>>103855790
You'll notice they only say "separate art from the artist" when it's some Japanese porn artist they like and would never extend the same courtesy to, say, a Hollywood actor

>>103855752
You're okay with separating the art from the artist but not okay when the art (sukuna) is separating from the artist. Double standards

>>103855810
>Yes, drawings that were modeled after a minor that he was sexually involved with you degenerate fuck.
So? No one would have known about that association until that little slut told everyone to look for it.
>idk why you are being such a freak trying to defend a literal pedo
>a literal pedo
Leave it to the low IQ moralfag to butcher words to contort reality.

>>103855822
Uh no, I am still able to consume entertainment even if the actor or director did "bad" things

>>103855822
Who is "they"? An imaginary enemy in the culture war?

>>103855861
>So? No one would have known about that association until that little slut told everyone to look for it.
>that little slut
You mean the child?

>>103855941
Are you admitting that children can lust after cock, retard-chama?
You realize that the relationship was reciprocal, right?

>>103855822
You're mentally defective if you can't separate the art from the artist in all instances. The only "moral" arguments against artists are always related to directly financing them, which is why certain crimes mean people can no longer profit off their art and the money goes to someone else. Once you are making arguments against art even after the artist is dead, you know you're mentally deranged.

>>103855772
>KEKYPOW
This is a English-only board for Japanese pop culture, Rodriguez. There's already a board dedicated to diving-on-grass sports.

>>103855772
>KEKYPOW
Oh, this is Marineschizo
I really shouldn't be surprised

>>103856000
I am delighted to hear that your proficiency in the English language is the most you can bring to the conversation.
In simpler terms for your angloid mind: Concession? Accepted.

>>103853899 (OP)
>not wanting to be associated with a literal unironic pedophile is bad because... IT JUST IS OK?

>>103855520
Pedo she was 14 and he openly admits she came from a broken home and was easy to manipulate. Now kys.

>>103856057
>He doesn't deny he's an argenigger
Volte pro twitter, retardado.

>>103855752
>Its called separating the art from the artist
Well the artist (Sakuna) is separating herself from the art (her previous model).

>>103855822
people say this about Polanski all the time, Rosemary's Baby and Repulsion are very popular films

>>103856105
>Pedo she was 14
So... not actually pedophilia, since 14 year olds would be way too old for the medical term?
Legal in first world countries like Germany?
You are braindead.

>>103854258
>I can read

>>103856207
FBI, this guy over here.

>>103853899 (OP)
Go fuck yourself.

>>103854192
/thread

>>103853899 (OP)
Slit your throat, pedophile defender.

>>103856297
Woodchipper time, pedophile attacker.

>>103856297
>>103856320
I'm a pedophile healer is this my party?

>>103856372
>3 pedophiles
>not a single little girl
It's a sausage party.

>>103856397
You need a party to start a raid.

>>103856320
N-nani!?

>>103856234
>this reply for someone that can read
I didn't even know it was possible for your mudhut to receive internet.

>>103856234
wow sperging out in your own thread you created for shit posting purposes

>>103856472
>knowing to read
>knowing what you read
There's a difference between these two.

>>103855974
She "lusted" after money, and last time I checked we weren't beasts but people that can make decisions.
Decisions such as "don't fuck the minor".

>>103858016
>She "lusted" after money,
I sometimes wonder what goes on in the brain of the brainwashed turds trying so hard to deny the sexuality of juveniles.
You literally went through puberty yourself. Unless you're castrated or asexual, you should know how horny adolescents get during that phase.

>is the only indie who actually got a model upgrade compared to their old one
>has to stop using it
Kek, clown world.

>>103858354
>model upgrade
it's the same model

>>103858068
Retard the point isn't that teenagers don't get horny, them being horny isn't an excuse for fully grown adults to fuck them. Holy shit pedophiles are mentally stunted, no wonder you want to fuck kids because you never mentally progressed past that age.

>>103853962
afaik he's not jailed yet since the girl he plapped hasn't pressed charges as far as i know. his career is ruined though and he's likely not allowed to come back.

>switched from "child" to "teenager" when he got called out on it, conceding the entire discussion
>immediately moves goalposts to "B-BUT THEY CAN'T CONSENT ANYWAY!!"
>Dedicates half his post bitching about pedophilia, despite pedophilia having nothing to do with the conversation.

>>103853962
>only the original designer is allowed to make new outfits
Retard. She could've commissioned someone else to do her outfits from now on.

>>103860375
And she did.
While she was at it, she commissioned someone else for a new model, too.

>>103853899 (OP)
https://files.catbox.moe/y57v5v.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/585gq0.mp4

>>103858922
>typical roastie rage
Late teens are not kids. 15 and 16 are legal in most of the civilized world. What you consider a "fully grown adult" is arbitrary and irrelevant. Women are retarded children no matter their age. Being attracted to a woman in her sexual prime is perfectly natural.
Keep shitting your pants tho, I'm sure the FBI monitoring your posts won't put you on a list if you signal hard enough. Now go neck yourself with the rest of the dried up cunts.

>>103854980
wait he just admitted it and drew it??

>>103855212
Brown curry stained hands typed this

>>103855752
>Its called separating the art from the artist
some of the art in question is depicting the very things that the artist did that people would want to stop associating with him in the first place.

>>103861674
retard with 0 reading comprehension award

>>103855752
>Wokies
You culture war retards are so fucking brainrotted, it's unreal. Genuinely just as annoying as the twitter trannies you constantly bitch about. Can you all just crawl back to your containment shithole on /pol/.
Sakuna doesn't feel comfortable using a model that was designed by a child rapist, absolutely novel concept right here.

>>103860417
Not the point.

>>103862110
>he created great art that shouldn't be soiled by his actions
>also creates art depicting said actions
he ruined his art himself
now, instead of defending sex pests, why don't you go play in traffic

>>103862381
boring & low iq, get a trip

>>103862976
nice response nerd

>>103862115
>designed by a child rapist
1) There were no children involved, his girlfriend was an adolescent.
2) Calling statutory rape, 'rape', is an insanely dishonest framing of the situation.

>>103854651
>Vtubers
>Morals

>>103855076
Anon he fucked a 14 year old, consenting or not that does indeed make him a pedophile.

Is half this thread unironically defending a middle aged man fucking a 14 year old or am I missing out on some injoke.

>>103860570
>FBI
of course the pedo is an amerimutt

>>103863452
half this thread is OP being a brownoid, yes

>>103855658
Wiped clean.... If I say anything else here it'll become pol so ill just call OP a faggot for being a retard and not knowing what OPTICS are..

>>103863452
it's normal on the number islands so they are confused why the hecking westoids are so upset by it

>>103863284
*hebephile

>>103864453
Which is the same thing and if anything makes you look even creepier for thinking it warrants a correction.

>>103858068
Yeah, but they aren't horny for fat slobs like him, she only fucked him because he paid her.

>>103863284
14 is well above the age that you'd enter puberty.

>>103864485
>Which is the same thing
Wrong.
Pedophilia = primary attraction to pre-pubescent children.
Hebephilia = primary attraction to pubescent adolescents.
We don't even know if his attraction was primary or not.
Incidental attraction to children or adolescents is not enough to be medically diagnosed as either one.

>makes you look even creepier for thinking it warrants a correction.
Uhh, that's literally the point of the discussion, retard-chama.
You are dismissing the actual medical term with your make-believe term on the basis of... "creepiness".

>>103864520
Did she actually say that?

>>103855076
>Unironic pedo
Gosh

>>103864626
He said himself he paid a (at least one) minor for sex

>>103864824
>Oof! Yikes! The Twitter crowd won't like this one!

>>103864885
Sorry, anon, but a cunny and a real children are not the same thing

>>103864932
I agree, but no one said any of that.
Your brain is 20 layers deep in some distant culture war Twitter thread that has nothing to do with my posts.
You're socially conditioned to not reflect on yourself when someone approaches you with a topic that feels solved, which is why I am the one making all the arguments and you're just proudly dismissing everything I say.

I don't know what to call this confidence. Someone with a psych major can probably chime in here.
I've felt it, too. That impenetrable feeling of morally superiority when you refuse to engage with someone on a topic, because you know society has got your back.

>>103855076
>he didn't diddle any kids
>relationship with a pubescent/ post-pubescent minor
>minor
i'm glad the censorship laws exist now. i used to be a lolicon but ever since the laws dropped everyone has been exposing themselves for liking irl kids. kill yourself faggot.

>>103856207
>arguing the specifics of what pedophilia is
this does the opposite of what you think it does. why don't you have this conversation with your family irl? surely you would be comfortable saying these things without the anonymous mask on.

>I see some posters here absolutely abhor anything related to pedos
>I also remembered about THE LIST
>Orange man is possibly included within THE LIST

I chuckled

>>103866010
>>103866241
>get proven wrong
>immediately dogpile with social attacks
Can this level of brainwashing ever be undone? It feels like I am talking to a bot with pre-programmed quips.

>>103867956
>proven wrong
you retards contradicted yourselves multiple times. here's one>>103866010. you got proven wrong and constantly try to shift the topic to culture war politics.

>>103869165
>you retards contradicted yourselves multiple times
Nope, that would be you.
>here's one>>103866010.
What's the contradiction? Oh, I know.
You are actually, unironically so brown and stupid, the point I was making, that minors and children are not the same, flew right over your head.
You aren't even reading sentences, you are just seeing words and having 70 IQ monkey see-monkey do tier reactions.
>and constantly try to shift the topic to culture war politics.
That would be you, again. The very post you've quoted tied in the public perception of lolicon and "censorship laws" that obviously play an important role in your petty "culture war politics"

Projection, stupidity and ignorance. You are so embarrassing lmfao.

>>103869559
>no u
just repeated what i said but tried to project you being a 3rd world shitter on to me. i accept your concession. enjoy your shithole pajeet.

>>103861674
You do not understand the concept of separating art from artist. If your aversion to the art only comes after you know "insider info" about its artist, then you are brain-damaged. If you had those problems with the art already years ago because the art itself created the aversion, then that's at least a taste thing.

>>103854192
Wait he wrote a doujin about it?

>>103870138
no, it's not about the artist being some bad guy behind the scenes, it's about the artist basing his art on the disgusting shit he has done, how hard is that to understand? you can argue that well, he might have based this and that drawing on that, but not these ones, but for me, that smeared his entire body of work. now fuck off monkey

am catalogfag, is there a qrd?

>>103853899 (OP)
It does seem weird. Like, should we really set all our cars on fire just because we don't like the person who had a hand in making them? And yet people do that.

>>103854174
that subtle off white coloring, the tasteful thickness of it...

>>103855076
The universal age of consent should just be raised to like 30 or more already. It's clear nobody can agree on what it should be, and most 20- and 30-somethings are still children anyway, so if the best and most democratic option is the one that displeases and offends everyone.

>>103869559
this is the best concession i recieved in a while. you have made my day anon. lmfao
a reminder >>103869794

>>103871400
how about i just rape u wherever and whenever i want

>>103871649
All sex is rape anyway, because consent requires that free will exists, which doesn't.

>>103871753
*rapes u*

>>103871649
orenji schizo...

>>103870628
Gaou (artist for her model) fucked a few young teens. Was possibly legal at the time, but still considered skeevy. He also released an artbook/doujin inspired by his sexual escapades with them, which, along with his comments about it confirming it was real after one of the girls came forward, made the guy seem like he goes specifically for poor and mentally ill teenagers because they're easier to manipulate and then dumps them when they start catching feelings because he's just there to fuck. Why he chose to admit to everything live on stream is a mystery. While there's no evidence anyone he's ever worked for or with knew anything about this, association with someone like that is hard to shake, and women in particular are understandably uncomfortable with using something that's a daily reminder they worked with a sex pest.

>>103855132
>>103855153
>>103863284
>>103864824
>>103866010
In Edo Japan 14 was a completely normal age for a woman to be married. Fast forward to post-war era and a guy gets in trouble for having sex with one.
Hmmmmm I'm nooooticing

>>103872328
Minimum age of marriage for girls was 12 until the 20th century in the Catholic church.
It was raised to 14 and is still at 14 to this day.

>>103872328
learn japanese and go to japan anon. just like how you hate when grifters come in and try to change things to their liking, we don't like you sesrching for scraps of evidence to prove that you're not mentally unwell and justified in commiting crimes.

Her old mama is a confirmed pedophile and anyone who is not a piece of shit would disown him too.
Grow up, do better.

>gets to have dream job of being able to do art
>throws it all away for underage pussy
honestly just hang the guy, not for the legal crime he committed but for his stupidity

>>103872546
>scraps of evidence
Did you forget that your side has not been proven, either?
10,000+ years of human civilization vs. what some feminist farted on twitter.

>>103872328
>>103872663
If you think that what was commonly accepted when most people didn't live past 25 should still be applicable in the modern day you unironically should rope immediately.

>>103872663
you're reaching REALLY far. stop trying to force your ideals on people. you went from political talk to making it sound like a religion thing. give up already.

>>103873030
>>103873109
boring, no substance, personal attacks, etc.

>>103873133
oh, you're just arguing for fun. wierd hobby but go off i guess.

>>103872328
Dude you can dance around this topic in a million different ways with medical terms and shit, but nobody is going to side with you on thinking a grown man fucking a 14 year old is ok.

I'm genuinely confused on why you keep trying to defend this guy ITT.

>>103873281
>but nobody is going to side with you on thinking a grown man fucking a 14 year old is ok.
I think it's okay. What makes it not okay?

>>103873133
Save it for the judge

>>103873385
14 is the age of consent here. No judge needed.

>>103873402
Cool story mohammad, you're still a pedophile rapist.

ITT anon steps out of his pedo echo chamber and has multiple people telling him to rope so now he is mindbroken and moving the goalpost to win other non sense arguments. what a sad creature.

>>103873476
What's with all the projection today?
The side that's completely disengaged and just shitting on the floor instead of addressing the arguments is the literal definition of an echo chamber.

>>103873528
Nobody gives a shit about your "arguments", 99% of the world wants you to swallow a bullet and you know it. Now get to it.

anons here clearly were touched starved as kids and dont know the feeling of being preyed upon by those with power.
though those in power have fucked them, it was not direct enough for them to actually dislike it.

>>103873528
>has to go all the way back a thousands years in another country that has nothing to do or wants anything to do with him and the place he lives in to prove his point
>i d-din't l-lose you lost!
stop while your ahead anon. every post makes you look dumber and dumber. not even japan, the place where you think you're accepted wants you. you should rope to prevent more embarrassment.

>>103872546
>scraps of evidence
Science and all of humankind history actually.
>>103873030
>when most people didn't live past 25
The average life expectancy in Edo Japan was 60 ,not like it has anything to do with the argument though. I guess you had to move the goalpost.

>>103873914
hes just trolling at this point, dont feed him.

you want the thread to come back sooo bad. maybe if you weren't so autistic the thread would come back and maybe we can have a thread without arguing, but you can't stop shitflinging for 5 minutes.

>>103853899 (OP)
Stealing EN's chibis concept baka
> consenting relationship
> with a pubescent/ post-pubescent minor,
what the hell
>>103860570
>15 and 16 are legal in most of the civilized world.
no

>>103874131
I have participated in tens of these threads, and it's always the least intelligent, most emotionally unstable people dominating the other side.
It's as though most people know the whole thing is make-believe, but speaking out about it won't do them much good.

>>103874131
>>103874705
see>>103873914 and >>103869794. you're arguing in circles now. you're so dumb i can use your own posts against you. boring, no substance, personal attacks, etc. >>103873133.

Glad to see a thread that has nothing to do with vtubers in /vt/
Amazing moderation at work

>>103875049
This >>103873914 isn't a rebuttal. I dont have to go back thousands of years to another country, 150 to any country is enough. You fail to see the point though, which is ironic.

>>103870277
It's fine to admit you are braindamaged but that is literally the inability to separate art from the artist. Most artists were probably not thinking thoughts you'd like or being inspired by things you are acceptable when they made their art. You just choose not to think about what went into their process and so see their art as magically acceptable.

>>103875383
>I dont have to go back thousands of years to another country
>>103874131
>The average life expectancy in Edo Japan was 60
while still avatar fagging with aqua. i don't have to type much. i'm just going to quote stuff already said because you're only argument now is "that's not true because i said so" but you already said the opposite. looks like that was already said before too. >>103869165.

>>103875700
Edo Japan was 150 years ago, schizo, and I used it as an example specifically because that's the country the discussion revolves around. Seriously, how dumb can you be...

>>103875677
>you're braindamaged
>you're 80 iq
>you're brainwashed
>you're woke
is that all you know how to say, monkey? and no, that is not "literally the inability to separate art from the artist" you fool, I for example can't stand mori, yet there are one or two songs from her I can enjoy. My problem with Gaou is pretty much the same as my problem with people who trace photos of actual children to draw cub porn or using AI trained of pics of real children to generate loli images. I do not care about what the artists were thinking about when creating their work, as long as it is fiction, it is not the same as some freak repurposing his personal disgusting experiences and behaviors into his work, you disingenuous fuck. Now once again, go play in traffic.

>>103876538
>My problem with Gaou is pretty much the same as my problem with people who trace photos of actual children to draw cub porn or using AI trained of pics of real children to generate loli images.
neither causes any harm but both cause you to seethe? is that what they have in common
>Now once again, go play in traffic.
oh no he big mad

>>103876620
>neither causes any harm
one is made after causing real harm and the other is considered depraved in a civilised, western society, but I see how you wouldn't know that, seeing as you live in a shit hovel in Jakarta
>oh no he big mad
naive to think that you have the ability to make me feel anything, been /here/ long enough that arguing with your subhuman kind is humourous at best. Telling retards who use my oshi's likeness to make shitty bait threads to kill themselves is merely standard procedure

>>103876456
your argument still falls under this>>103873914.
>in another country that has nothing to do or wants anything to do with him and the place he lives in to prove his point. also this >>103873476. moving the goalposts and trying to win other arguments. seriously, how dumb can you be?

>>103876787
>one is made after causing real harm
so it doesn't cause harm
>and the other is considered depraved in a civilised
so it doesn't cause harm
>rest of the post
yapmaster with no argument keeeeek

>>103876787
oh no anon. you mentioned race. he's going to report you now because that's the only way he can look like he's right
>>103876821
>>one is made after causing real harm
>so it doesn't cause harm
what did he mean by this? is his brain completely fried now because he's running out of circles to argue in?

>>103876821
the argument was about why people would want to stop associating with him, not about whether or not his art causes harm, I've provided reasons why even if you remove gaou from the equation the art itself is not going to be seen in a good light in a civilized society, stop moving goalposts monkey
>no argument about KEKAROOO HE BIG MAD
yeah, haha, sorry, I'm not sure how to argue against monkeyspeak

>>103876818
>no, you have to go back thousands of years
actually, just 150
>no, you have to go to another country
actually, any country works (what does another country even mean? What is this country? 4chan? kek at this retard)

>>103877921
>>103875049
>arguing in circles now
>>103873476
>mindbroken
>move goalposts to win other non sense arguments.
>>103873133
kneel aqua anon. i have you in a infinite loop. your brain is starting to become mush.

Did you really wake up early in ManillaLand to continue this topic?

>>103878196
still >>103873476 and >>103869794. admit defeat aqua anon. you're running out of circle to argue in.

>>103872027
>Gaou (artist for her model) fucked a few young teens. Was possibly legal at the time, but still considered skeevy. He also released an artbook/doujin inspired by his sexual escapades with them
Amazing how you're completely wrong right from the start but continue writing this like you're deeply familiar with the events.

>>103878115
I accept your concession.

>>103878974
i reject you accepting my concession and accept your concession. ;3 this also means you kneel. so kiss my boot while your down there.

>>103879166
You can't reject an acceptance of concession. This is something beyond your control. I won.

>>103879438
if i can't reject it then why did it just happen? and why are you saying all of this while kneeling to me? i'm above you. you lost anon. ;3

>>103853962
Retard

>>103879556
That's your delusion. Careful on the cope, anon. You are seeing things.

>>103879932
mindbroken. i may have over done it. oop.

>>103878330
Nigger my question was to the Aqua Pedo.

>>103880080
I almost feel bad for you seeing how you're coping and deluding yourself.
But then again, you decided to go against all of humankind history, biology and science, because you fell for some 100 year old feminist gaslighting. That's what you get.

>>103880365
uh oh, >>103869165
>constantly try to shift the topic to culture war politics.
we're looping again aqua poster. think carefully about your next post. you don't want to concede twice in one thread do you?

>>103880458
That's the topic.

>>103880543
>>103873476
>moving goalposts
i accept your concession new anon.

>>103880645
No? That is the topic.

>>103880712
>>103880645

>>103876538
But his art is fiction you disingenuous troglodyte.

>>103880849
So you don't even try to pretend like you are arguing in good faith anymore. But then why even reply? Loser.

>>103880972
we can only argue in circles for so long. also>>103873168. everything you said or are going to say has been argued already after which you circle back to something else. send aqua poster back. at least i get to see an anime girl with his posts.

>>103881058
>every post is from the same person
Also don't say "everything you said or are going to say has been argued already" when the arguments are one sided. You failed to debunk every argument thrown at you. We aren't arguing in circles. You got one shotted and now are running in circles of your own bullshit and it's pathetic.

Baquaposter ITT can just win this entire argument by declaring himself a Christian and pointing out that, according to the inerrant living word of God Himself, the Holy Mother of God, Mary, was literally 14 years old when she was married to Joseph and conceived Jesus Christ; and then point out that this fact was taken as objective absolute gospel truth by the civillized developed western world - which in fact was even built entirely out of this belief, moral systems, social norms and all - all the way until today.

>>103881659
you don't have to be the same person but you're reading from the same script. >>103871493. >>103873133. maybe try arguing the japan thing again. surely it will have a different outcome. or maybe another culture war goal post? no, you should definitely try to search for a different time period where things were as you wished.

>>103881732
that falls under >>103873914.
>has to go back thousands of years
it was meant to have a comma meaning it's not mutally exclusive. also why are you giving them more ammo? what the hell man?

>>103881998
>has to go back thousands of years
God is perfect and unchanging and his word is eternal, which therefore means whatever He stated was ok thousands of years via the example of the life of Jesus Christ. the Son of God and the Word made flesh, is eternally still ok now and the fact that it is current year is completely arbitrary and has no bearing on anything. Therefore since the Mother of God was 14 years of age when she was married to Joseph and concieved our Lord and Savior, this means that marrying 14 year olds fundamentally cannot be wrong following this logic otherwise you are calling the Lord a liar, which He is not as there was no fault found in Him, only truth, as proven by his works and the sign of the resurrection; witnessed and testified s gospel truth by his first-hand disciples and attested to in first-hand documents such as the epistles, their letters.

Baquaposter can win the whole argument with this one neat trick.

>>103881858
>maybe try arguing the japan thing again. surely it will have a different outcome. or maybe another culture war goal post?
Will you be able to provide a rebuttal this time though? You say it will surely have a different outcome but I dont believe so. You would have provided a counterargument already if you had one.

>>103882305
i've been in arguments with pedos on /vt/ before. they are atheists and call you a christ cuck if you think what they're doing is wrong. it's nice you're trying to fight a battle for them, but they are genuinely unlikeable people. >>103874131>>103880365. just like their beliefs, they are trapped in a small box and when people try to see the good in them they push them away. if they notice you leaving they try to manipulate you.

>>103879913
Seethe
From behind bars, preferrably.

>>103882533
True.
Which is why priests have never molested young boys before. Especially not below the age of 14.

>>103882424
>but I dont believe so.
you're starting to understand anon. you're small baby brain is starting to see things are not going your way 24/7. if for some reason you do argue it again i will redirect you to>>103873914. japan is another country and hates foreigners. there is a island there that gets the same treatment as foreigners depite it being on japanese land. your entire argument is "if i was somewhere else or in a different time period it would be fine!" you would also be sticking a tube in your ass to clean the shit out retard.

>>103882667
>you're small baby brain
>you're
it's so fucking over...

>>103882611
preists can be hanged too. no title makes you exempt from being a piece of shit.

>>103882611
Woe to you fool, holding the perfect Messiah to the actions of those acting in the spirit of the antichrist that came after him speaking and acting blasphemously in His name, which He even warned about, for the Lord Jesus Christ also says
>But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he was drowned in the depth of the sea.
none of them are true priests in the eyes of God and they have all condemned themselves

therefore that doesn't work as a counter-argument against the previous point and is a whataboutism, not a contradiction

>>103882667
Then I will just redirect you to >>103875383
You seem to not understand the point.

>>103882965
how convenient

>>103883028
if that's how it's gonna be then i'm redirecting you to >>103873914.
>i d-din't l-lose you lost!
and circling back to >>103882667
>your entire argument is "if i was somewhere else or in a different time period it would be fine!" you would also be sticking a tube in your ass to clean the shit out retard.
your next post is going to be answred with this most likely >>103873133
because now you're going "sigh, you just wouldn't get anon. i already won 20 posts ago because i'm so much smarter than you which is why i start the same arguments over until you say something that i can twist to be in favor of me."

>>103883272
Then I'm redirecting you to>>103875383

>>103883925
>>103873914
>>103873133

>>103884297
>>103875383

>>103884822
>>103871493
>>103869794

Paedophiles (men who target non adult girls) are pathetic because they can't rizz someone their age. Simple as. Its ok to look but unrealistic in this current day to pursue. Plenty of women are still stupid even into their late 20s so why are you going for the young? You will never be a good husband or father with that type of taste.

>>103870812
>And yet you participate in society. Curious!
Shut the fuck up retard

>>103885039
>Plenty of women are still stupid even into their late 20s
Congrats, you just made the argument for going young, because they're more attractive and fertile and no dumber than older women.

>>103884874
>thousands of years ago in a far away land!! It d-d-doesn't count!!
>*explains to him that it was normal up until 20th century in the whole world and only started being ostracized in contemporary times because of feminist propaganda*
>Y-you have t-to go t-t-thousands of years in another country!! I-i-i-i accept your concession!!!!!!
kek

>>103886037
Can you stop replying to this negative IQ subhuman already?
I just woke up to a bunch of notifications to his aids-ridden ass replying to me a bunch of times for no fucking reason.

>>103885131
>women in their late 20s
>women
>late 20s
>Congrats, you just made the argument for going young
>>103876971
>what did he mean by this? is his brain completely fried now because he's running out of circles to argue in?
>>103886037
still>>103882667
>"if i was somewhere else or in a different time period it would be fine!"
you're not very smart anon. you are repeating yourself but slightly changing the wording. and you got really confident when you saw someone else with a brain dead take. how long do you want to argue the "if i was in a different time!" arguement?

>>103886476
see >>103873133 and >>103869794. you and me both ovmbviously have nothing better to do. i'll keep going as long as you do fren.

>>103853899 (OP)
WELCOME BACK NIMI

what's the endgame of this thread? from what i'm reading here there's an ulterior motive from fags here that Sakuna should just graduate from the internet using Gaou papa's controversy as an excuse. whether it's from unironic Aqua antis or corpokeks who doesn't want a rising indie to compete with their oshi company, who knows?

>>103887467
my goals are beyond your understanding (good) aqua poster

>>103887467
Your post was the first one to name a vtuber since >>103862115 which was 16 hours ago, op is just a sad /pol/turd who probably got banned from his native board and wanted to bring his shitty arguments somewhere else

I'm honestly amazed this thread has survived this long

>>103886499
This isn't a "if i was in a different time" argument and it's sad that this is how you misinterpreted it.
This isn't about me but about seeing the bigger picture and how we apply judgement based not on reality but on current zeitgeist.
I urge you to think critically. Instead of blindly accepting the status quo I want you to think more rationally. If marrying a 14 year old was normal for all of human history on the entire planet then is it really wrong? Why am I blindly accepting that it is wrong? Who am I to say it is wrong? Who are they to say it is wrong? Thousands of generations before said it's ok, but the current one suddenly says it's not? And I believe the one that says it's not? Why?Just because I was born in it? Maybe contemporary society and the current zeitgeist is wrong? What am I fighting for? Why am I such a sheep?

>>103888137
That's a lot of words to say you want to prey on children and scar them permanently.

>>103888137
you're not getting any better.>>103873109 i guess you did manage to find a new argument to circle around to. godd job retard!

>>103888162
>>103888347
>Thousands upon thousands of generations before me said it is perfectly fine to marry a 14 year old, but I think I am better than all of them and I say it's wrong!

>>103888582
Thousands upon thousands of generations lived to the ripe old age of "died in childbirth."
This isn't the angle you want to take.

>>103888632
>strawman argument
Keep moving the goalpost.
I accept your concession.

>>103888694
You can accept what you want. If you bring this philosophy outside of /vt/ you're still going to jail.

>>103888694
Did you really win, though?
Or are you just going to keep wasting your time with perhaps the stupidest twitter tourist on the whole entire board, instead of letting my thread die a merciful death?

>>103888582
>still going back thousands, excuse me, hundreds of years.
not doing good we'reback to this point again>>103873914.

>>103888791
he won't stop because he has to have his epic 4chan win. i'm enjoying wat hing him flail around while i just point to previous posts that argue against him and he says "shut up! that doesn't count!"

>>103888982
Dyslexia?

>>103888632
>lived to the ripe old age of "died in childbirth."
Right, due to horrific healthcare and living standards. With medical advances, pregnancy and childbirth are safer than ever, at any age. Way to make another argument for young partners.

>>103889004
Nope, just a retard.

>>103888910
My point stands.

>>103885487
Yet the point was going for a girl under 18 is predatory especially because we live long lives. At least I will. Average lifespan over 80 with functional mental capacity and fitness feels good.

>>103890175
Can you explain what predatory means?

>>103890223
Manipulating and emotionally/physically scarring a woman for life would be pretty predatory.

>>103890223
Yeah it is sticking your dick in a girl who is protected by guardian / family law.

>>103890262
Explain how going for a woman above 30 isn't manipulating and emotionally/physically scarring

>>103890362
Because they have enough life experience to understand the ramifications and a fully developed brain?

>>103890223
Why do you even try with these people? They don't have original opinions, all they can do is inherit opinions and offer pre-programmed reponses in return.

An honest opponent wouldn't start out by not explaining themselves at all, forcing you to pry their opinions open like a stubborn crate.
They would lay out the foundations of their beliefs and make themselves vulnerable to any and all criticism.

The people who take the other side in this thread do NOT want to make themselves vulnerable.
They see it as an act of defeat to have their views get the chance to be challenged. It's the most ignorant approach to a topic possible.

>>103890393
All of them have the same life experience? Life experience is only age dependent? A fully developed brain? As compared to? The brain stops growing when the bones seal, which happens in early teens for most girls.

I like how he's so upset that he's started not only lying about basic anatomy, but he started samefagging because nobody else is agreeing with him.

>>103890428
>Why do you even try with these people?
Because there is a chance, even though it's very low, that something unique might happen. I'm looking for that something ( even though I probably look like a hopeless pachinko addict).
It's kinda like Miko with her golden magicarp hunting.

>>103890518
Who are you talking to?

Good night, thread.
It was good knowing you.

>>103890393
which reminds me
>children are mentally mature enough to choose their gender
is a thing LGBTQIAP+ people unironically believe. just wanna share that.

>>103890683
Fubuki ftfy moron

>>103890761
To me. The 12th guy here who came to laugh at you.

>>103854147
Isn't she permanently on a short hiatus?

>>103892263
And here comes the /pol/tard trying to deflect with a strawman as usual.

>>103854028
It's terrible optics in Japan, they'd assume she still backs him.
Funnily enough I think they're more pissed off about him hiring middle schooler prosititues when he has a wife and child than they are about the fucking middle schoolers part.

>>103855722
Have you ever been in Saba's general?
What kinda people do you think she attracts with the "hahaha kani kani wink wink" dog whistling?

>>103853962
>behind bars
>>103858954
>pressed charges
Are you two retarded? He hasn't committed a crime. She was at the age of consent in Japan at the time so there's nothing to prosecute. The only reason everyone's mad is that westerners are applying western logic to japan.

>>103895283
>She was at the age of consent in Japan at the time so there's nothing to prosecute
The age of consent in most prefectures is higher than 14. This weird idea that it's totally 100% legal to fuck 13 year olds just because that's the national age of consent is so odd considering you can just look it up yourself in two seconds
>Under article 177 of the Japanese Penal Code, it is an offense for any person to engage in sexual intercourse with a female partner aged less than 13 years. The crime is known as statutory rape, and it attracts a penalty of imprisonment with labor for no less than three years. The law also prescribes a similar punishment for a person found guilty of sexually assaulting, intimidating, or forcibly committing sexual intercourse against a female aged either 13 years or older. However, in spite of the consensual age in Japan being thirteen years at the national level, each of the country’s prefectures and municipalities has independent laws on the age at which young people can consent to sexual activity.
And
>Most of the prefectures in the country have obscenity statutes or laws against corruption of minors. The age of consent in the prefectures ranges from 16 to 18 years, and it is illegal to engage in sexual activities with partners who are below this age unless a parent approves of the romantic relationship. In Tokyo, for example, a person has to be at least 18 years to agree to have any form of sexual relations.
This is taken from an article from 2018

>>103855722
The truth of the matter is that for every ironic fan of loli stuff there are two who are actually pedophiles using it as on outlet. Just look at how many people were waiting for that only fan’s slut to turn eighteen last month, do you really think they had lust towards her after she hit eighteen? Of course not, they’ve been waiting a long time and they got fuck all while giving her an easy million in return.

>>103855232
Actually this isn’t entirely true, the minimum age of consent is 16 but each prefecture gets to set their own. Most are at 16, but then you have Tokyo that is actually at 18.

>>103895970
Japans national age of consent was 13 until 2023 where it was raised to 16. I'm not sure why you thought japanese prefectures have different ages of consent. I assume you're an american and think prefectures are like states. That's not the case. Japan has a national AoC like most other nations. America is an outlier with AoC's specific by state.

>>103896170
>I'm not sure why you thought japanese prefectures have different ages of consent
Because they do, the national age is just a minimum age a prefecture can set it to. Even when the national age was 13 everything but like two random ass islands had it at 16 or higher.

>>103896241
NTA but prefecture law only applies in prefecture. If national age of consent wasn't applicable anywhere it wouldn't have needed to have been changed.
Prefecture law does not override national law. For instance prefectures cannot make sex with 14 year old by itself illegal because it would override the national law. So they had to create sub conditions for the act itself to make it illegal. It's not quite simple to say Nagoya has an age of consent of 16 before 2023 and thus sex with 15 year olds was illegal because that's not technically the case. You had to meet certain criteria for the prefecture law to apply and the prefecture law cannot overwrite the national age of consent law.
This is why it was important to change it at the national level.

>>103896327
>>103896241
Further to this if the case ever goes to a higher court or in many cases to appeal courts which often operate on the national level the case can be thrown out which was the situation where a father was having sex with his 13 year old daughter. He was arrested in prefecture, appealed and the case was thrown out when it went to the national court because he hadn't breached the national age of consent.

>>103896372
That's literally not how that works, anon. You should spend less time in your groomercord echo, chamber.

>>103896408
It's literally how it worked. I agree with the age of consent change. But you don't live in Japan and have no idea how things work here. I've never used discord in my life. Sounds like the only groomer here is you.

>>103855752
Only artists, and really shitty ones at that, say this phrase. Or cumsoomers that LITERALLY do not have meaningful human development and define themselves by their media diet, ending up attacked by the implication something they consumed willingly could be negatively seen.

>>103896170
>I'm not sure why you thought japanese prefectures have different ages of consent.
Because they do
>I assume you're an american and think prefectures are like states.
I'm not American either
>Japan has a national AoC like most other nations
Yes, but if the local prefecture rules differently, their rules supersede the minimum Age of Consent laws

>>103896428
>no u
this is pedos favorite response.
>get told he's a piece of trash.
>n-no you're the g-groomer.

>>103896676
I mean you're the one bringing up the pedo stuff. Only goes to reason that you're the pedo in this. I've said I agree with the age of consent change but you misunderstand how the law was and why it was important to change it.
Now you're throwing a tantrum.

>>103896741
i guess i'll let my brain wake up before posting. i'm the anon that was quoting older posts earlier. your reply was fucking dumb though.
>you're a groomer
>no YOU'RE a groomer
while the person you're talking to is actuvely talking against grooming.

>>103896851
So you're confused then? What are you even talking about? My reply is outlying why the national age of consent change was important. Prefecture laws were lesser to the national law and it showed in several famous cases here. This is why the change was important.
Then out of the blue you call me a pedo for no reason? Like I said you're throwing a tantrum. Grow up.

>>103896895
no fuck you

>>103885039
>older women are still dumb

>>103890393
>actually older women magically become le smart

No you were right the first time, hence the mental capacity argument being bullshit. Same with "experience," you wouldn't say shit about a 30 year old lifelong shut-in dating a 30 year old world traveler. You're full of shit.

>>103853899 (OP)
the real RRAT is that she didn't want to beef with matsuri's RM

>>103898295
All anti arguments are fundamentally absurd (which is why they prefer insulting and censorship), but the "experience" argument takes the cake.
Does that mean virgins who lived with their mother and never worked a job in their 40s should be able to date 15 year olds who have their life together, are working part-time and have already had multiple partners?
The 15 year old would be the "rapist" at that point.

>>103898688
My favorite is the idea that money and experience can't possibly benefit the partner, no they're just being manipulated into wanting those things. The person gaslighting them about their decision making isn't being manipulative at all.