Thread 103872403

Was there a "golden age"? If so, what age are we in now?

>>103872403 (OP)
Golden age was Myth + Councilyris before the Stars

Maybe after the graduations we have entered a silver age where everyone is at least friends with each other and all the drama is far behind. The quality of EN5 and Cover protecting the remaining Senpai so they don't leave are the key.

ignore the first post
it was hololive fantasy

>>103872403 (OP)
Golden age was the Council polycule

>>103872403 (OP)
>Was there a "golden age"?
Mori and Kronii horse vocaroos.

We're in the golden age now that the deadweights/grifters are gone

>>103872403 (OP)
it all went down with Magni and Old man trying to pull a western move on an Asian Company

>>103872403 (OP)
2018-2020 for JP
2020-2021 for EN
There's no sweet spot because 2020 was such a shit show fo JP

>>103872403 (OP)
The golden age was the golden gen

>>103872888
That's more of Renaissance after the grim age

>>103872403 (OP)
The golden era was when Cover allowed Gura complete creative freedom instead of strictly using her for profit, so 2020-2022.

Erolive --> ancient greece
Myth --> roman empire
Council --> dark age
Advent --> renaissance
Now we're in some sort of post apocalypse steampunk revolution

>>103872403 (OP)
Golden age ended with the holocaust

>>103872403 (OP)
These replies reek of newfags...
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_small_and_unofficial_groups#Four_Heavenly_Kings

>>103872403 (OP)
We're in the golden age.
Like 50-80% of indie chuubas have blonde hair now.

>>103873549
>Literally who
Not Gura, Ame, Fauna, Kronii, Shondo, Pippa, Tenma, Lumi or Filian so dont care

the golden age was when vesper was around. The yabadabadoo threads were peak

>>103873520
She just had to stream Ghost Trick...

>>103873600
>t. pic rel

the golden age was when kiara was shipped with mori now my oshi is simping for kiara so often :D

Hololive only went downhill after the concert at the Budokan

>>103873735
she got to kiss Kiaras beautiful feet, why is that allowed

>>103872403 (OP)
>Was there a "golden age"?
Yes, 2020 and 2021 were the golden age for HoloEN. They had the highest viewer numbers, unironically from lockdowns, but there was a general sense of optimism. 2022 was the decline of the EN branch and while unicorns blame Holostars the overall mood was already declining in the spring. The management fights with Sana were steadily getting worse until her graduation. The second half of 2022 was grim with many talents demoralized and Ina openly considering graduation. Their is a reason they refer to 2022 as the year of fake smiles. The early months of 2023 briefly had some optimism but the mood never recovered. The sudden graduations of Magni and Vesper meant the EN branch were still having major fights with management. 2024 was the start of the Hololive graduation wave and it's noticeable how many talents left to be indie vtubers. EN is currently in the silver age which should be more stable.

>>103872403 (OP)
Golden age was 2018 to early 2019. We've been in the dark ages since early 2020.

>>103872632
fpbp

>>103874749
those are stone era, lot of potential, poor execution, borderline illegal behind doors

>>103872764
BASEDBASEDBASEDZAEDSED

>>103874415
Shut the fuck up Outfit Schizo. You were so SO close to having an actual point for once but nope, had to sneak in your retarded bullshit to invalidate it.

>>103872403 (OP)
Covid was the golden age, it artificially forced growth of vtubers

>>103872403 (OP)
The golden age was from Coco’s debut to the announcement of “the cube”

The silver age was from council’s debut to Vesper & Magni getting fired

The Bronze Age is from the feminization of Mori and Kronii to the debut of Justice

We entered the Triangle age with the graduation of Ame

>>103872403 (OP)
Between Advent's debut and just after Breaking Dimensions. Anything before was the dark ages and nothing significant happened.

>>103872632
Flippity Bippity
StarsEN not only messed up Holo, but this very board from the harpie /hlgg/ invasions.

>>103873520
hololive was not even relevant back then, keep trying oldfag

>>103873549
what are you still doing here? most of old fan already moved on and kept withtheir life, you are part of the minority. Get a family, anon

>>103877211
Honestly this. There was so much hope and optimism during this time. The homos had fallen into irrelevance, HoloEN had some new fresh faces and everyone seemed to be having a good time. Then Ame left and it was all downhill from there. I hope they find some new girls to inject some life into the branch.

>>103876880
The unicorns on /vt/ are horrible at figuring out what contract fights go on in Hololive because of their seething hate towards Holostars. They want to blame male vtubers for the malicious compliance when model redesign fights are the obvious explanation. Yagoo might love unity but he doesn't force it or Gura would have been joining HoloPro collabs instead of shilling merch.

>what age are we in now?
Managed decline. The hospice age. Slow death. Late stage. The fall of Rome.

>>103872403 (OP)
we're in the bronze age
platinum age began with sora miko
golden age started with the debut of myth
silver age initiated after Sana's graduation and the start of IMPROVE YOURSELF
bronze age came with the spread of talent beyond holo walls
the modern age is yet to arrive, prepare yourselves
change is inevitable and it is not kind to all

We are in the age of plastic, where everything is so fucking artificial and manufactured. But everything is cheaper and there is more of it, so more people can afford the product, including young and new blood who have no idea what quality really is but don't care because they are only interested in consuming, so they're happy about it

This is the golden age.

>>103882166
This. I need to fuck kids and toddlers.

>>103873600
fucking why

>>103872403 (OP)
golden age was before lean arc

Creatively speaking COVER has been in the dark ages for around 3 years already.
They got too popular for their own good, so they stopped trying seriously, the company put on them a lot more leashes, they pumped up the merch and publicity machine (there are many people here than still claps when their already rich oshi gets to shill another popular brand) and the talent dedicate more time on what they can sell and other personal things rather than streaming time and good ideas for projects.
Like a vast majority of their group events and interactions are rehashes and copies of whatever they saw popular in another place. A majority of the talent streams less than 20 hours per week. None of the newer gens (both in JP and EN) seem to have made any new star in many years, they have to rely in lots of leeching and the fact that a cactus in hololive would still get 3k viewers.
Other than GG and CC doing some weird stuff every now and then (which, as part of EN they have their own set of problems and neither are really that popular) the rest are pretty comfortable.
But i mean, they're doing pretty damn well economically. That will keep the ship running until a couple of the bigger talents decide to graduate.

>>103872403 (OP)
Unironically Myth and shortly after CouncilRyS.

The Homo arc and attempt at Nijisanjification almost destroyed the entire branch. Advent debuting basically saved the branch. And Justice was a good addition.
But it never reached that peak success level again. It’s in a good place now, but that was the peak.

>>103886296
I'd say it's something around this as well. It's not a question of holostars destroying this, or EN destroying that, or whatever sort of semi-specific things you want to point to, it's just a general company-wide lack of anything really wowing that doesn't leave enough space for its talents to really do fun stuff that has been coasting on its own momentum for years now.
There are individual hololive vtubers I like, actually a fair number of them, but I can't say I have much goodwill or expectation from the brand overall anymore

>>103872867
Yeah, the issues with China + the Holocaust was pretty rough. There was a lot of fun in there still though with everyone streaming massive hours because of being stuck at home.
>>103873487
Nah, we're in the industrial revolution, and Teddy will always be right. Mass production and a hyper focus on advertising.

>>103872867
>>103873549
The Four Heavenly Kings started the JP golden age in late 2017, which lasted from then on through to the Holocaust. Otherwise I think that's spot on

>>103872403 (OP)
2021-22 Golden Age
2023-24 Renaissance Era
2024-25 Modernity

Golden age is Pre-Covid
Dark age is Covid-Present
Ancient times is Pre-Hololive

>>103886296
I think one of Cover's biggest problems is they won't just drop the retarded tech company angle.
No one really wants Holo Earth. It's a money sink.Their in-house vtuber app sucks. They're stuck with a set of riggers who they have strong relationships with rather than merit.
It's a really bad look when the biggest vtuber company in the world that isn't putting organs in the money grinder has talents that would fit in with indies from late 2022.

>>103889526
it wasnt a golden age, 2010s vtubers sucked, and they were dead by the time holo took off

>>103872403 (OP)
Early 2021 when /vt/ was still new and this board was actually fun and not just drama 24/7

>>103877211
>the golden age is when I specifically started watching

Kali yuga.

>>103892809
Yes, we're approaching the end.

>Golden Age
Myth Debut -> Sana Graduation
>Silver Age
Sana Graduation -> Ame Graduation
>Bronze Age
Ame Graduation -> You are here

>>103892462
You're wrong and I want everyone to be aware of that fact.

>>103872764
>I promise to cheer on your performance Gigi
>overlaps

>>103893136
nope, anyone who pretends kizuna ai and friends were good are just trying to be oldfags, their videos were glorified ads

>>103892893
Sana and her graduation had no impact on anybody other than a handful of clip watchers who love to spam crying emojis.
Was in Hololive for 6 months.
Spent 3 of them not streaming with a “broken back” ACK

>>103872632
I’d say the silver age started with advent’s debut.
>>103872888
Or this.

>>103893299
>Was in Hololive for 6 months.
I can't believe this, it felt like so much longer. Also you have no soul.

>>103893331
it was a year

>>103893331
She straight up lied about her dog dying and then breaking her back.
While on her PL account doing commissions and tweeting everyday.
And she took a spot someone else who actually wanted to be there could have had.

And people in chat have spammed more crying emojis for Sana alone than for Gura, Mumei, Fauna, and Ame combined. Bunch of virtue signaling weirdos.

>>103893384
Because we still miss her.