Thread 104171466

Are there really Hololive fans who follow Hololive but don't like any of the music? That's like eating a sandwich without any bread. What's the point?

the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_opjVlYhi4

>>104171466 (OP)
This was me until i found out about ERB.

Who cares if people don't listen to music if they're having fun and enjoying the time with their talent?

>>104171466 (OP)
I don't give a fuck about the music.

>>104171466 (OP)
I listen to Suisei's music but I don't really consider myself a Hololive fan nor do I really even watch any vtuber streams.

>>104171466 (OP)
Yes, I'm one of those fans. I just want gaming with a lot of EN collabs that forces them to be competitive and be toxic at one another like the AoE3 stream. I loved that stream. Too bad SEA can't handle banter and they believed EN members actually disliked each other and forced people to clarify that they weren't actually mad.

It’s common in any fandom. 2hu fans that never played any 2hu game. Anime fans that never touched the original manga/novel. Etc. many such cases

>>104171466 (OP)
most of holo "music" is overdesigned autotuned zoomer slop

>>104171466 (OP)
A lot of the music I don't care about but there are some decent songs to listen to.

>>104171466 (OP)
not quite, but im extremely picky about the music and cutsey borderline anime themes arent my thing
i like streams best

>>104171466 (OP)
Most Holomusic is slop and flops
Don't blame them. I watch CGDCT

>>104171531
phased
>>104171629
trvthnvke
>>104171493
what the fuck is this earslop
no wonder people hate marine now KEK

>>104171601
Warhammer fans who haven't been within a thousand feet of a miniature in their life

>>104171466 (OP)
Well yeah, I don't like idol music. There are some songs I've heard that were fairly nice, but it's just generally not my type.

>>104171493
kino

>>104171466 (OP)
The music I understand at least. The bigger issue I have if they like Hololive but never watched a single stream

I don't speak no noon rune so I only enjoy the English songs.

>>104171908
you're a cuck

>>104171466 (OP)
Fuck idolshit

>>104171945
based
imagine actually watching a dying branch/listening to a dying language couldn't be me KEK

>>104171466 (OP)
Their music is a worse version of those cringe as fuck anime music videos of the early 2000s

>>104171958
PHASED PHASED PHASED

I literally bought Kanatan and Sora few latest albums
I think it's nice

>>104171984
>>104171955
>>104171823
Stop using Biboo as avatar for your shitty anti opinions you subhuman hue monkey

>>104171466 (OP)
I don't like their music much, their production sucks and there is better Vtuber music out there. I love ERB, but mostly for her personality.

Hololive has plenty of members, why don't they have some members do more distinct music? I want to hear an actual jazz chuuba. A black metal chuuba. A country chuuba. A klezmer chuuba. Fucking anything that doesn't sound exactly the same as the generic radio popslop that's everywhere.

>>104171986
based
trvthnvke

>>104171493
fun song
>>104171506
>mindbroken
nice
>>104171629
>>104171986
seethe
>>104171900
>>104171958
there's a lot, A LOT oh holo music that isn't the usual idol songs
>>104171823
>>104171955
>>104171984
stop falseflagging nobody buys it

>>104171986
Japanese talent songs are pretty good in my opinion as long as you stick to those who actually take idol reps seriously

>>104172020
Based, Trigger was amazing

>>104171506
Based, enjoy what you like and avoid the rest, nobody is forcing (You) to spend time on stuff you do not enjoy.

all this samefagging and Skibbididdibbididba is still at 140m+ views

>>104171986
>Music plays
>PNG slapped in the middle
>PNG rotated around
>Words vomited onto the screen
>PNG rotated around some more
>Repeat

>>104171466 (OP)
do not care for hololive much at all, the only original songs that I revisit is "end of a life" and "ash again"... and the covers are often very cringe.

>>104172027
>>104172044
didn't ask cucks
just because I think holomusic is inherently slop doesn't mean I am an anti. most hologods as evidenced ITT are like this. save your ears, cucks

98% of holo original music is shit. Carbonated Love is like the only one I've heard that I actually enjoy

My favourite Hololive song is Sneaking by Calliope Mori

>>104172105
kek
imagine UNIRONICALLY listening to this slop and calling it good, couldn't be me KEKAROO

>>104172118
>ash again
Literally KWAB the song. Good riddance. We're all glad that bitch quit.

>>104172072
I wish people wouldn't bring her up more she's great
LOCK ON live was kino

>>104172105
But music IS GOOD

>>104172210
I don't care much for holo music, but I do love Kanata regardless.

>>104172128
Biboo would hate you
I hope you realize this

>>104172030
I think if they got more of a professional production/composition team like what Gawr Gura did with Casey Edwards, then the music would sound more polished.

>>104172217
yeah if you're a spineless weeb

>>104171466 (OP)
I'm the opposite. I only listen to their music, watch their karaokes, 3d lives, and sololives, but don't watch a single normal stream. Outside of music stuff, these girls only exist on clips for me.

>>104172245
She slept with me last night, so she now agrees what I said

>>104172248
I also used to be like you, but music made me attached to a specific talent
I guess that's how they get us idolfags

>>104172245
After what Gura and Suishit did to my oshi I'll never forgive either of them

>>104171466 (OP)
Bro i dont care about music i want streams

>>104172309
But they can't stream because expo and fest. They need to at least dedicate 8 months a year to those events.

>>104172295
What did Suisei do to Biboo? Invite her to a restaurant? Oh no, get fucked Brazilian

>>104172309
this
how hard is it for cover to understand that this is only what Hologods want
no more slop on top of slop, CGDCT only

>>104171466 (OP)
>Food analogy
I accept your concession

>>104172163
Holy BASED

>>104172352
>memoryholiing the minecraft yab
Oof not a good luck Hoshicuck

Enough shitposting.
Post original holo songs you like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3UTywBDSW4

Selenfag is going crazy on the entire catalog, what happened to Niji this time?

>>104172350
Still don’t care, if they have time to travel and dance then they have time to stream for an hour. An hour, it’s not hard

Several of Advent's songs and covers are really good. Genesis and Above Below were great at AFO.

>>104171493
I didn't even know this song existed, what's Marine even doing lately?

>>104172163
Oh I just know you’re the biggest cuck

>>104171493
houshou marine fell off a cliff man
what the fuck happened
was it the blue tranny? kek

>>104171466 (OP)
Astrogirl sucks and doesn't deserve to be listed amongst Hololive music

>>104172030
ERB needs to put out some jazzy tunes or a cover album or something, they can't just pull her out of a box to sing songs for promos when CC and Raora already have their own originals. I wanna like her but her catalog is lacking so far.

>>104171466 (OP)
I may listen to a song every once in a while, but overall I almost never listen to music not in English.

>>104172462
her career is dying and pigchimi continue to buy her goods like good little cucks as she goes on offpako with pizzafag

>>104172163
You're probably joking but when it showed up at her sololive it was funny as fuck, then went pretty hard with the remix version

>>104171466 (OP)
I'll watch them once when they debut generally. Marine always has great animation and the songs are usually decent.
I actually listened to Kiara's Do U more than a few times, found it catchy.
Stellar Stellar was interesting because it had people outside the rabbit hole paying attention.
Otherwise, no. I'm here for cute girls playing video games badly and talking about their cute lives.

>>104172377
Tell me you're 3rd world without saying "I can't afford to see a concert"

SORA HATE

>>104172580
free entertainment deal with it cuck

>>104172533
Sorry can you repeat that in the Queen's English

>>104172616
why are you brown and cant read lil bro
just a typical pigchimi like the rest of the cucks? kekkk

>>104171466 (OP)
im gonna be honest
most vtuber music is not it

>>104171823
>>104171955
>>104171984
Holy BASED

>>104172609
>Mfw living it up at Hololive concerts around the world while this guy complains for "just a crumb of streams, sir..."

>>104172128
>>104172168
>>104172209
BASED BASED BASED

why is this thread so brown? what riled up the seanigs this time?

>>104172309
Seeing how Japanese Holo fans are attending the concerts sorry to say but idol part is here to stay as long as Sora, Kanata and Suisei is there

>>104171466 (OP)
Holo music fucking sucks.

>>104171823
BASED BASED BASED
>>104172697
who asked about irrelevant bugmen lil bro

>>104171466 (OP)
Their music is mostly bad.

>>104172543
I'm not joking, it has been stuck in my head since it released.

>>104172738
>irrelevant bugmen
oh you're literally just a troll k

>>104171823
Erm, Based

>Selenfag got image banned
kek, what a baljeet

>>104172782
White man's hobby. Deal with it.

>>104171466 (OP)
Honestly yeah, I don't give a fuck about the music side for 90% of them cause its mostly shitty. Yeah there's a few bangers here and there, but most of it is just slop. I enjoy cgdct, the idol stage music aspect is kind of cringe

>>104171823
>>104172865
/thread
Hololive is CGDCT
Idolshit is cringe

>>104172764
t. Mococo
But for real the remix turns the original from a goofy ass meme song into a heavy ass meme song. https://youtu.be/56SfTg1aWe4

I can't even make it past the first verse of most of their covers/ori songs...

>>104171466 (OP)
their music is mid

>>104172146
I like this one
https://youtu.be/PyQLRhwl018

>>104172891
What kinda bizarre falseflag is this anyway?

>>104172856
>It's literally Japanese hobby retard

>>104171466 (OP)
you're not a real hololive fan unless you like everything about all the talents regardless of branch and production company. simple as.

>>104171466 (OP)
I'm the opposite, I only like the music, some days I'll pick a random hololive member and listen to all their originals and covers while I work

>>104171493
It grows on you

>>104171466 (OP)
95 percent of the music I listen to was written between 1957 and 1972.

>>104172989
See>>104172865
CGDCT doesn't have to be Japanese, weeb. YWNBJ

I know people say that they need to stream to remain relevant or maintain a community, but that has been proven to not be the case. Ayame, Gura, Aqua, Suisei, etc all barely stream/streamed yet were immensely popular and were able to keep that popularity when they did perform and do music stuff. Not to mention that stream stuff is bottom of the barrel in terms of revenue, most of their income comes from concerts and merch

>>104173016
*projectile vomits* that kind of mentality sucks donkey dongs

>>104173016
The "yes man"/hive mind attitude is why they are only going downhill and not improving

>>104173016
Spoke like a true brand dickrider

>>104171466 (OP)
I hate this kind of shit that "oh you're not a real fan unless you engage in this specific part of the fandom." Its like when people expect you to constantly spam about something on social media or else you aren't a fan of it, or not be apart of the community discord or some other terminally online thing. I have a full time job, I do not have time to be posting about my hobbies online nor do I want to, or the time to watch 4-8 hour streams every day. I casually consume this stuff within reason, and I don't think that makes me any less of a fan compared to say something that is autistic enough to create a retarded "virus" fan account of their oshi or membership multiple girls

>>104172865
>music aspect is kind of cringe
then Hololive is the worst company for you to follow in the first place

>>104173150
If you've not noticed by now the thread is getting trolled by the fake unicorns who are too poor to even buy a CD, let alone go to a concert. They just want "CGDCT" and free entertainment and cry whenever Hololive does Hololive things.

>>104173150
That kind of stuff makes up 10% of what they are, they aren't having concerts every month lol

>>104173150
I like Hololive for CGDCT
Which is its main selling point. I will not listen to your earslop
Simple as

Yes, i dont give a fuck about hololive music and that's why I'm gradually distancing myself, as they're focusing more and more on that. If at least it were good music, I'd understand, but most of it is repetitive slop with zero appeal

>>104173079
Hololive is a family
I'm sorry you niggers don't understand the appeal

>>104173189
>Which is its main selling point.
Actually it's an idol group that advertises with streams and promotional partnerships. You're literally asking for more advertisements.

>>104173181
>fake unicorns
I'm a real one
>They just want "CGDCT" and free entertainment
Yes. Seethe cuck.

>>104173049
>>104173079
>>104173090

>>104173196
They focus on it so much because its their only way into mainstream appeal, they won't get that by only being known as anime girls online but by doing music stuff and being at least somewhat comparable to idols or J/Kpop

>>104173222
Sorry but I'm a bigger fan than you, my dollars spent at concerts will convince them to do more of them instead of shilling streams
:)

>>104173210
It thrives off CGDCT. Anything else is irrelevant.
Retard

>>104173208
It doesn't feel like a family, and I'm not if it can, because it is so corporate... and what does family have to do with the quality of music?

>>104171466 (OP)
that was me when i still watched holo. back in 2020 hololive was actually funny so you could simply enjoyers the streams

>>104173252
>getting this mad at CGDCT enjoyers
You sound like a homosis with that seethe

>>104173232
>posting the quiter

>>104171466 (OP)
bullshit statement for engagement farming i hate twitter niggers so much

>ITT Homosisters seething at Based CGDCT Enjoyers
They'll never learn

>>104173136
This

>>104173258
>>104173285
Please post your concert tickets or merch, unless you can't actually afford it from your mud hut.

Isn't Biboo doing a cover with a male in it? Why is this Pebblefag speaking like his whore is better than the rest of Holo

>hating live kino
???

Its funny how EVERY fucking time Hololive tried creating something just to focus on music/performing, it ended up failing and having to just do streaming shit. Azaki/Sora/Suisei all ended up basically merging into Hololive because their focus on music failed. Irys was merged into Council/Promise, and the new JP branch with 2 gens so far has been a complete failure because it confused fans too much about what they are, and now they have all pretty much defaulted to regular streamers instead of focusing more on performing and whatever

Are pebbles the most insufferable fanbase? What the fuck is wrong with them?

>>104173346
Biboo likes music as well
he's just insane

>>104173367
oh no no no

>>104173367
I stopped supporting Hololive in 2023 because of how insufferable the fanbase became

>>104173357
I think main hololive appeal are exactly that their idols are also just regular vtubers
Kanatan right after exhausting live went right back in to streaming
Everyone is happy in that regard

>>104171466 (OP)
>Hololive fans who follow Hololive but don't like any of the music
Yo.

>>104173367
Pebblecucks is this true? Is Biboo a male collabing whore?!?!?

>>104172309
Nigga there's only 24 hours in a day, what the hell do you even do

>>104172901
I just listened, I don't like it as much as thr original because there's a man in it.

Not only is your opinion on music wrong, it's also a self report on your stunted music tastes, presumably from a refusal to consume any music that isn't formulaic idol slop. Fuck you.

>>104173367
I'd say Advent overall probably has the worst type of fans, never have I ever seen such faggot shit being spammed openly in the fandom before this year

>>104173367
they're zoomers

>>104171466 (OP)
It's hard for me to enjoy music by "artists" that don't even write their own music. Hololive songs sound soulless because the singer is disconnected from the music making process.

>>104173533
Sorry I meant Justice, Advent's worst offenders are Nerissa and Shiori but Justice just has absolutely fucked fans

>>104173532
I like my idol slop thank you very much
now GTFO

>>104173422
I kinda wonder if old talents left partially because of how toxic the fanbase became after Advent

>>104173533
>before this year
>Advent fans been around two years
all the faggot shit you see is from new Justice fans or "Just chads" they brought in some really annoying ass niggers

>>104173508
Lotus Juice is my favorite New Jersey rapper though

>>104173636
see
>>104173584

>>104173367
Taking credit for all the work Myth and Council did

You may not believe it but many posts ITT are by a samefagging falseflagger pretending to be a Hololive fan and shitting on other fanbases, thus distracting from the OP subject of Hololive music

Justicefags and Adventfags are the insufferable faggots, I swear to god

>>104173578
you can just say you don't like idol music
majority of idol music isn't written by the singers and that's perfectly ok as long as producers are competent

>>104173649
idk who that is maybe if I did? sorry anon

>>104173696
Selenfag is quite a colourful guy

>>104173683
Myth and Promise/CouncilRyS nearly sunk the branch with their graduation parade and constant dead hours. Advent and Justice made EN actually good.

>>104173617
Given that Gura, Ame, Fauna, Mumei never really interacted much with Advent it makes sense

>>104172020
Based.

>>104173696
Trvth Nvke

>>104171466 (OP)
the music is trash.

>>104173723
Anon he's the dude from persona

>>104173970
which one? only 4 and 5 are good

>>104171466 (OP)
I won't listen to shit music
Sorry not sorry

>>104173732
>made EN actually good
theres still dead hours and whatever rare stream there is from justice is a sponsored stream so shits got worse not better

>>104171466 (OP)
I actually cannot stand some of them sing.
It gets really annoying to me whenever I hear people who are trying their best to sing, but don't have the inherent talent for it or the years of experience, and it shows in their performance.

I literally close any video/song the moment I hear 2 seconds of a person failing to sing and then never wanting to listen to it again.
It's like some people's inability to look at bugs. Or eat tomatoes.
I get "the ick".
And 97% of holos sound just like that.
So no, I don't listen to their songs at all.

>>104171955
>you like this song
>you're a cuck

>>104174142
I think the main idea of the idol journey is that they should improve bit by bit every year, but the problem is only like 1% og holos take it at least semi seriously

>>104174244
why are you retarded fags talking to the obvious troll?

>>104174270
>idol journey
lmao

>>104174142
As much as I like the girls, their actual singing talent leaves a ton to be desired. I think the biggest hurdle they need to overcome is not blowing out their vocal cords between singing practises and streaming and zatsus

>>104172412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqh6-vjars8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg6DUmRRXlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUrITFpI85A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZP5eqm4JqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMlYZdynxE

>>104174305
yes that's how it's called

>>104172412
I know it's an old cover, but it has 17 million views for a reason
>https://youtu.be/3UV8OZj2olg

>>104172412
>>104174375
All shit

But I play Hololive songs at arcades

>>104174493
>that score

>>104174433
Name a good song

>>104171823
When you're over 30 you tend to be less accepting towards new music compared to what you've already liked
t. been there done that

>>104173732
The Myth/CouncilRyS period was the last era before the brand completely tipped over into overcorperatized soullessness. The Advent/Justice era is one of endless merch shills, sponsored slop, and corporate mandated collabs. The only reason Advent babies like you don't see a problem is because its all you've ever known.

>>104174270
Some of them, during their interview, are so excited to start working in Hololive, and they promise so many things like:
>"yes, I will start learning Japanese so that I can communicate with HoloJP or whatever"
>"yes, I will create interesting streams with funny gimmicks and will create a differentiate brand for my vtuber character"
>"yes, I will learn how to sing"
>"yes, I will communicate with my genmates

...that they forget who they are in fact.

Some of them are not meant for the "idol" grind in Holo and get burned out.
Some want to be so included and want to make the "idol life", but miscalculate their aim towards said dream and end up damaging their bodies
Some even sacrifice their own personal lives, families and friends, and end up figuring out that this method of reaching their dreams only made them regret not spending more time with their close ones.

A lot of the girls are literally juggling promises they made during interview, audition, and streams.
They want to be a gamer, a singer, a dancer, a comedian, a streamer, a vtweeter... I mean, when do you stop dreaming big and realize that you can only do this juggling for no more than 2 years and then see yourself burned out and regretful of how your eyes sparkled in your first few months of streaming in Hololive?

Shit is way too fucked. Management needs to start hiring girls that are only talented in 1 sphere, and do not force them to do random dance moves and concerts which not even 40% of the fanbase cares for them...

>>104174537
anon please stop giving (you)s to retarded baits

>>104174098
>judging Justice only for what they did during August
Retard.

>>104171823
Based, literally just stream like Biboo. Don’t care about anything else

>>104171466 (OP)
carbs are bad

>>104174655
It's no really that complicated
Ayame does literally bare minimum and is still there and beloved
Akutan did her idol journey and finished it with grand finale properly before moving into more comfy relaxed persona

What I don't get is Nimi, she said she wanted to be genuine an idol and continues doing concerts in her new persona, so her graduation reason still remains a mystery

>>104173636
Oh don't worry, Adventfags were annoying back in 2023 too. /baubau/ was and is schizo central, /gem/ with their constant "gura killer" obsession and blaming ALL their toxicity on a convenient scapegoat, jailbirds brought in yuritards who constantly shit talk their oshi in her own thread, and the novelites who were keeping to themselves till THAT collab.

>>104174795
>management, i am tire of idol, i am want stream fanni gaem only, also I am marry soon, i am announce to everyone
>wait, management, why r u axe me????!!

>>104174655
>you can only do this juggling for no more than 2 years
There are plenty of holos who done it for more than 4 years already
it's not doom & gloom

>>104174795
>her graduation reason still remains a mystery
Having gay elderly pets that should have been put down.
Traveling 3,000 miles to a foreign country where she can't eat anything from self-imposed restrictions.
Not being able to play GameCube games >still plays FotM games like everyone else
Having a shitty manager, probably the only reasonable reason one could have to quit a job

Probably a controversial take, but does anyone else feel like the fact that they don't actually write the songs, or even the lyrics in the vast majority of cases, kind of ruins it? I know that's how it works in most idolstuff, but I just cannot believe that someone's heart is actually in it, if they weren't the ones to write the song in the first place.
Are there any holos that we know at least have some real input in the writing process of their songs?

>>104174831
what's wrong with ruffians? Is it their JP adjacent elitism?

>>104174856
you mean Mori?
you mean to tell me she didn't behave like her life is over for a couple of years until Gigi showed up and reminded her of what being an EN talent is about?

>>104174886
Most of them are regular women anon
They don't really write that much, they just get a "vibe" and give it to someone smarter and more eloquent than them to translate to lyrics and then look over it and say "yeah good" and sing it. This isn't a bad thing necessarily. Mori has made hilariously bad lyrics and some decent lyrics writing herself.

>>104174886
I think Suisei is the most hands on one, but in general I don't mind professionals doing the lyrics because they always at least try to get an idea of what the singer would like and approve on, it's very rare to be presented something one doesn't jell with unless it's song made specifically for a larger group

>>104171466 (OP)
I only listen to IRyS

>>104174904
Sorry I don't really follow EN talents, my apologies

>>104174887
Probably. I personally think its several different brands of mental illness converged on one fanbase + unironic ken-sama behavior that make them irritating. I've been to several concerts and events, met all sorts of fans, and in all that time, I've only encountered one normal ruffian that didn't seem like he was on the spectrum.

>>104174375
haven't heard wind up before, actually pretty good,
a nice, catchy chorus

Why would I listen to the music when it's bad? Vtubing is strictly for CGDCT and GFE, anything else is a waste of time.

>>104175007
I hope your oshi becomes a full time musician and follows her dreams.

>>104174996
Carbonated Love was cheesy banger desu

>>104174999
Understandable.

>>104175003
there's nothing wrong with being slightly autistic, but I get what you mean

>>104174886
>does anyone else feel like the fact that they don't actually write the songs, or even the lyrics in the vast majority of cases, kind of ruins it?
Not really, it's a plus if they write themselves, but not everybody can write lyrics or simply they want to be written in the best way possible.
Afterall i'm expecting a singer, not a writer, to perform.

>Are there any holos that we know at least have some real input in the writing process of their songs?
I know Nerissa and CC did for their songs.
CC even composed it herself.

>>104175084
Vocaloids became a thing because you had songwriters who can't sing themselves iirc

>>104171466 (OP)
I don't know any of those tranny songs and I love hololive. Git fucking gud, you fucking zoomietroon KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOO

>>104171466 (OP)
Vtuber music is 99.5% trash. Hololive is no exception.

>>104175007
My oshi is both funny, can do decent GFE and sing properly

>>104175127
you type like a nigger faggot

>>104174971
>I don't mind professionals doing the lyrics because they always at least try to get an idea of what the singer would like
Oh, I don't mean to imply that the actual professional songwriters and lyricists they hire do a bad job. But I feel as though the songs lose some but rather that there is some level on genuineness, and they become non-personal as a result, even if they sound better.

>>104174971
>I don't mind professionals doing the lyrics because they always at least try to get an idea of what the singer would like
Oh, I don't mean to imply that the actual professional songwriters and lyricists they hire do a bad job. But I feel as though the songs lose some level of genuineness, and they become non-personal as a result, even if they sound better.
To put it simply - I think a bad song coming straight from my oshi's heart is more appealing to me than a good song that doesn't actually have anything to do with her beyond her lending her voice to it.

>>104174886
Mori used to before the Universal contract, now it’s all Sloppa with the majority created by someone else. Sucks because people liked her for her but she thinks she was cringe

>>104171466 (OP)
most of the songs are musically terrible. pure commercial popslop that almost sounds autogenerated by AI. it's obvious that 95% of the talent have zero musical background

>>104171493
I kind of like her sleazy Latin pop.

>>104175467
retard can't even read credits

>>104171466 (OP)
>Astrogirl and Sparks being used as examples of good songs
lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGkeUaX-zk
Watame mogs

>>104171466 (OP)
Why are all the songs these people mention either the biggest of the big viral hits or HoloEN?

>>104171466 (OP)
Thank god this person with their terrible English and equally bad taste in music didn't mention my oshi's music.

>>104171493
Easily worst Marine song down there with III. If I ever did a vtuber song tier list it would be bottom tier.

I think most of the songs are whatever and outside of some of Marine's, most of the MVs are absolute garbage. Fever Night is one of the worst.

>>104175760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGviVpVE1fA

>>104176006
Not helping your case anon

>>104176027
:c

>>104174886
>Probably a controversial take, but does anyone else feel like the fact that they don't actually write the songs, or even the lyrics in the vast majority of cases, kind of ruins it?
It makes the music come off as inauthentic. I think authenticity will become a valuable currency in a world of AI sloppa.

Hololive is sovlless now, the magic is dead.

>>104172020
These are the only holos that do the trick for me when it comes to music. 別世界 is what made kanata stand out for me, been keeping an eye on her music since then. Some of the watame songs are good as well

>>104171466 (OP)
Genesis is great. I love Selling England by the Pound

>>104171466 (OP)
the polar opposite are the retards who only listen to holoslop and claim suisei's slop is the second coming of christ when every streaming site has almost all of her songs at either a 5 or 6 out of 10 rating.

>>104171629
>autotuned
What isn't autotuned these days?

Of course I don't listen to Hololive music. Why would I listen to the most tryhard, cringe-inducing, soulless garbage in the world? UnAlive still rapes my ears at the mere thought even years after. It has been proven time and time again online personalities have a curse put on them where they CAN'T to save their lives make good music.

(On a real note: I enjoyed CC's most recent song, and it's uplifting to see Calli slowly improve with every release. I don't think either are particularly "good", but you gotta respect the grind and passion either way.)

>>104171466 (OP)
I loved Unison and have hated everything before or since.

I actually listen to their music way more than watch streams lol.

>>104175887
me raping anya tho

>>104171466 (OP)
I listen to Japanese pop and rock despite not understanding the lyrics and holo songs rarely grab me.

>>104176577
Some of the songs have ridiculous levels of it though, more than those
Like Astrogirl

>>104174655
>Management needs to start hiring girls that are only talented in 1 sphere
Maybe you're too new when it comes to this but idols are meant to cover lots of things and generally they're never great at anything. Jack of all trades if you will.
Nips in the entertainment industry might reject the "idol" label precisely because some take it as an implication they'll never be great at their field, or they'll never be taken as seriously.
There are girls a bit more specialized than others but in the end they still gotta cover many fields, which is why they end up training a fucking lot and takes more time than a 9-5 job. Not many are ready for the real grind.
Nips at least are aware because there are many stories about how much effort it takes to be an idol, I don't think there's such awareness on the EN side.

>>104171847
>>104172497
Eh, some of that's mostly on the composer. Problem with this kind of contract work, sometimes they hand in Above Below, and sometimes they hand in Renegade.

>>104176742
Honestly this. There's only a handful of songs that I think is pretty catchy but in a "I don't actively search for it but if it's on I won't mind it" sort of way.

>>104176598
ain't listening to opinion of a druggie that's beating their spouse

>>104172764
Yeah, the chorus is catchy as fuck

>>104171466 (OP)
I don't really care about music but I enjoy seeing them dance.

thoughts on KAF x Mori collab?

https://youtu.be/L-ND7zsl0d4

>>104171863
Those are known as secondaries and treated with disdain.

>>104177599
Should've had Mori sing more, I'm not sure "rapping reaper" really fits with KAF's "melancholy anime girl looks sad and does hand gestures" thing, at least not for me

>>104171493
So based and good?

>>104171466 (OP)
Well most of the music is in Japanese, so....

>>104173578
>"artists" that don't even write their own music
Boomerchama no artist has written their own music since like the classic rock bands of the 70s or some shit

>>104176006
somehow this song is great to see performed but listening to it just as a recorded song is underwhelming.

>>104171466 (OP)
vtuber music is mid at best and the majority is american idol audition tier

>>104177863
Is that why the classic bands are basically timeless

That samefagger that keeps on going on about how "This is CGDCT, I don't listen to music!" confuses me because hasn't music always been a major part in CGDCT?

>>104171823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEGbAKvSf1Q

Hololive karaoke >>>>>>>>>> Hololive original songs
SSS is the most generic shit.

>>104177933
No, it's optional.

>>104171466 (OP)
Most of them just don't make good music.

>>104176754
Hey, can you blame them, they had to make Sana sound listenable.

>>104177920
If they're timeless, why don't the younger generations listen to them anymore? Even gen x just listens to the most mainstream "classic" bands like ACDC or the Beatles.

Good holo music worth listening to:
Ash Again
Ash Again (instrumental)
Reflect (Jazz ver.)
Full Color
Q
Shinkiro
Tokyo Wabi-Sabi Lullaby (Fes ver.)
Non-Fiction
End of a life (Trinity ver.)
Chimera (Gura ver.)
Mogu Mogu YUMMY (Gura x Okayu ver.)
Palette
Inochi

There will never be another Gura

>>104178805
I think you may be biased, but that's just my feeling.

>>104178449
Sana had the voice of an angel Japs just love processing the shit out of stuff

>>104178953
Come on anon, stop it with the jokes.
I actually liked Sana, but she wasn't a singer.

>>104177933
He's just shitposting, you can tell because those posts only appear when anti-holo posts appear.

>>104178805
"mumei" was good, too

>>104178805
>Mogu Mogu YUMMY
No

>>104171466 (OP)
Vtuber music sucks eggs.

>>104178805
Hololive lost by chasing off 2 of their biggest singing talents: Gura and Mumei, now the only singers I enjoy listening to are IRyS and Nerissa

>>104171847
>phasefag thinks he has the audacity to talk shit about holo music

>>104178953
Sana's singing was awful and somehow worse than Noel's. You can argue it's "charming" or whatever, but it's objectively bad singing.

>>104171466 (OP)
>another thread of people seething over hololive
boring

>>104179916
I wonder what's the IP count of this thread.

Sorry but I'm still not watching Saba.

>>104171466 (OP)
I listen to ERB sometimes but outside of that and the occasional fuwamoco song I just don't care. I used to listen to Mumei and Reine but the former's gone and the latter doesn't do as much english karaoke these days.
Sometimes I listen to Hakka, though. Dude sings pretty much my entire childhood.

>>104171466 (OP)
VTuber music in general just doesn't appeal to my taste.

Anons what kinda music do you guys like?

>>104172105
This kind of thing always bothered me, but I guess it makes sense if it's all you can afford.
>>104172246
The problem with that is that it's expensive.

>>104171601
Except in this case the bulk of the popularity came from anime girl streamers streaming and the music got popular because they pushed it on their fans.

>>104176505
>when every streaming site has almost all of her songs at either a 5 or 6 out of 10 rating.
Post a single example of this or I'll assume you're making shit up

>>104180156
oh so that's where the dude who's face raora draw on tits of is from

>>104178805
>didn't like Country Roads
Explain yourself.

>>104180254
Idk what he's even talking about, what streaming sites rate music in the first place? I was curious though and looked at suisei's rating on rateyourmusic and she has surprisingly good ratings for a Jpop artist.

>>104171466 (OP)
I'm going to be fucking honest here.
For music I go to Nijisanji and for everything else Hololive, simple as that.

>>104180599
>For music I go to Nijisanji
???

>>104180079
Lots of different kinds. Rock, jazz, fusion, R&B, some hip-hop, folk, western and outlaw country, D&B, thrash, black metal, denpa, bossa, samba, salsa.
I sang along to this in the car on the way home from work today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGlAkDtso5g

>>104180079
whatever pops up in rhythm games
i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q68oFPQTBnw

>>104178805
I know this list is supposed to be ironic, but I mostly agree with it. I love Saba, but I still miss when she was back in Hololive with Ame

>>104180079
Metroidvania stuff mostly

>>104180325
>didn't like Country Roads
NTA but not even the myth girls liked it lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG0AHR1prng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nV_OSq9QXI

>>104172072
A huge improvement on Unknown Diva.

>>104180790
That's really lovely, thank you. I got a new artist to check out.

>>104180325
It's a crummy, ill-fitting cover and hardly John Denver's best work to begin with

>>104171466 (OP)
Don't be a fucking poser.
You know damn well you didn't listen to Squeakshit idolmusic ten years ago and you still wouldn't if there weren't an anime girl with big tits pretending to give a fuck about you twice a week to make you buy 5 cents worth of chinese plastic shit for 125 USD + tax + shipping + tarrif + tip.
Even the handful of holos who are actually good at singing and aren't 99% autotune (the minority) still make shit because their songwriters are handicapped by a million different asinine corporate restrictions which completely kill any kind of interest they'd have otherwise had.

>>104181387
Preach nigga.

>>104181387
If you're talking about the one who posted the tweet in the OP then I can believe it. The pipeline is vocaloid/nightcore --> squeakshit idolmusic.

>>104181315
She's great. A friend of mine showed her to me with this track, and I was fucking bowled over. Just great music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mI3MdPMwnI

>>104181387
Eh I discovered niconico way back in 2008 so I heard all those back then

>>104181387
愛 like Hambaga is fucking kino though

>>104171466 (OP)
Who does Hololive's music production, OP? That's really the issue here. It's not a place music producers are going to make a name for themselves because the corporation is so fronted by the faces of the Hololive talents themselves. Music production isn't that easy either because it's so difficult to stand out. I can't name a single producer who works in-house at Hololive. Can you?

Why would anyone listen to awful music made by a vtuber company instead of real music?

>>104182298
Define real music

>>104182325
Music that exists for musics sake instead of being tied to some other form media like a vtuber

>>104182298
Sometimes musicians I already liked work on them, and sometimes the songs have really good music videos that meet the music halfway.

>>104182298
>just listen to top 40 trash instead
how about no

I don't understand Japanese. So I just don't listen to any of the songs in Japanese.

>>104182453
>my only two options are top 40 or Hololive
are you retarded?

>>104182486
eh it's the first thing that came to my mind when you said real music

>>104182391
>Music that exists for musics sake
Hasn't existed in 100~ years except for hillbilly country music and free Bandcamp shit, minstrel theaters were producing wacky jigaboo blackface music in 1900 to sell shows and early recordings

>>104182518
Yeah that's right musicians stopped existing 100 years ago
What the fuck am I reading

>>104182518
I believe you may have replied to a teenager.

>>104182613
Holy ILLITERATE

>>104182659
You're absolutely fucking retarded, real musicians still exist to this day making albums and putting them out
How sheltered are you that you don't know this

>>104171466 (OP)
i like watame and suisei and polka's songs
also that one ao cover of laundry something
me personally i don't really consider these as holo because usually fake type or whatever mainly works on it and in the end the only thing "hololive" about it is who's singing but many of the girls are good at singing so it's okay for the most part. but at the end of the day if i like the song id just go to the producers
if i were to be a vtuber at all id want to truly make an original song, though i am amateur at guitar i have experience playing to a crowd so maybe that counts as something, and i do know a bass player and another guitar player. i cant sing for shit though unfortunately
>>104180079
recently been into idol music
https://youtu.be/6MwqrHbhY0Y?si=XSFqyiwcOkiuSLF9

>>104171466 (OP)
*raises hand*

My musical tastes are a bit old fashion, and none of the girls ever cover anything in the genres I'd be interested in. Jpop is not my thing. Also, while listening to cute voices yap is meditatively calming, they tend to sing in far more shrill voices than I can tolerate.

Did like Ironmouse's Music Box of Fate though, but that's a rare exception to the rule.

>>104182298
It doesn't all have to be anime-styled J-pop, anons. Stop seething on /vt/ and take an authentic interest in the hobbies you claim you like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgCmpVtEx54

>>104182714
Who the fuck is talking about musicians? Anon gave some vague platitudes about "music for music's sake, maaaan" as if music hasn't been commerical for over a hundred years.

>>104182714
You are having a different conversation in your head than what is written on the screen, my funky friend

>>104182391
Name two songs.

>>104182822
I never claimed to like garbage vtuber music

>>104182833
It's not a vague platitude, it's pretty simple to understand, it's music where music is the actual product, it doesn't mean "non-commercial"
With Vtuber music the vtuber is the product, you would never listen to their stuff if they weren't a vtuber

>>104180821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orApSdX-uLg

>>104183007
>it's music where music is the actual product
>With Vtuber music the vtuber is the product
I think you think you're saying a lot more than you actually are. Unless you think that popular bands shouldn't put their names on work so the only le true fans will listen to it.

>>104183129
Bands make music retard, the music is still the product, people like bands because of the music they produce

>>104180325
The song is pretty shit, dude.

>>104183169
You seem to be performing a lot of gymnastics to make vtuber music seem different and bad than "regular" music

>>104183227
It's very simple to understand

>>104171493
That song is sexo tho

>>104183227
>Be a band
>Have fun making music together
>Go to gigs to promote yourself and your art, your music
>Get scouted
>Take contract deal
>Your passion and art now have far more reach than they did before with the caveat that some fag might tell you no about some things sometimes.
vs
>Be streamer
>People show up for streams
>Like to make music sometimes
>People support you and like your music because they like you and your streams

>>104183264
It doesn't seem to be with how much you can't actually explain the distinction.

>>104183342
Mucho texto.

>>104183366
Thanks for proving you're just shitposting like a retard.

>>104183366
>you can't actually explain the distinction.
I did fucking explain it, if you refuse to understand it because you don't want to admit vtuber music is slop it's on you

>>104171466 (OP)
i only watch hologra

>>104171466 (OP)
Part of this reason I dropped Hololive is because all the songs are crap. You don't stay a fan of the company when so much of what they do is making music and all of it sucks.
I can't believe this fucker actually listed Astrogirl in particular, like it's part of the hall of fame of all time greatest Hololive songs or something.

>>104183461
astrogirl is a great song

>>104183390
>>104183394
Based inarticulate retards
>It's not real music even though they make lyrics and write songs and make dance choreography and even use real instruments sometimes
>It's just not, okay?

>>104183461
It's fine when it doesn't end up cutting heavily into content. There's very few talents in EN who manage to keep up a decent streaming schedule when they start focusing on all the other horseshit.

>>104183937
>inarticulate
>refuses to read a 100 word posts that clearly explains the concept to him

>>104183342
does that even happen anymore? i thought kikes destroyed the music industry decades ago.

>>104184091
>does that even happen anymore?
Yes

>>104183987
Sorry but most people aren't so autistic they completely disregard not even a whole genre, but an entire concept of musicians because they don't like them.
Like maybe if you said shitty meme covers or overplayed electroswing, but you can't just say that it's not "REAL" music.

>>104184127
They aren't musicians, they're streamers, they simply use music as a promotional tool, that's why it's not REAL music, because it's not made for the love of music or consumed for the love of music
It's essentially merchandise

>>104184127
The only reason this music has any popularity is because of the streamers who accumulated a following behind them. It's the same as if some retard like Peguin0 made a song and people loved it. Hell, it's basically the same as Filthy Frank's music career as Joji. He puts out things he likes, but the popularity didn't come from the music itself.

>>104184218
Joji actually succeeded based on his own merit, most of his fans don't know who Filthy Frank is

>>104171466 (OP)
That's more like eating a cake without a cherry

>>104184260
>Fanbase knows you went on to make music
>They go to your channel and pump your numbers
>You blow up because you start getting recc'd
No one would give a shit about most Holo music if it weren't for the talents, who in turn gained popularity from their streams. There are some who are more focused on music, but a majority of their popularity, viewership, and listenership does not come from the songs they produce.
I'm not going to pretend there is NO good Holo music like that other guy, but it's not the core of the talents nor is it all that important to the main product they offer people.

>>104184361
I didn't say there was no good holo music, there is some

>>104172027
>mild opinion about music genres
>calls them subhuman anti
you are the problem

>>104172309
You dropped this