Thread 104191211

New article from Cover
https://coveredge.cover-corp.com/en/list/2876

>>104191211 (OP)
Translation: Xenophobic middle management was what caused that EN Exodus a while back.

t. HoloEarth has failed and the faggot HoloEarth director who wanted to make himself the star and simply use the talents is soon to be executed

>talents should better understand Cover business model before applying
kek

>the mindset of COVER employee
get ready for your oshi to be brainwashed into loyalty cult anons

>>104191285
They're talking about the employees and managers not the streamers

>>104191211 (OP)
someone dumb this down for me

>>104191245
Sorry but I'm still not watching Saba.

>>104191245
explain this

>>104191327
managers should work for vtubers not use vtubers for their own pet products
stop accepting shitty product sponsorships like rhinoshield or pon juice

They're literally addressing what happened with talent like Gura.

>For instance, every VTuber talent brings their own individuality and creativity, but if employees were to see them merely as character IPs and mistakenly think that talents are only there to help realize their own project ideas, there is a huge risk of losing the trust of not only the talents themselves but also the fans who support them.

This says that COVER Employees should be aware that the talent is the important part of the IP, not the Employee.

>>104191372
Exactly what happened to Gura. I hope that manager was hanged and got blacklisted.

too little too late for EN but maybe they can salvage JP

>>104191372
Acknowledging it and fixing it are two different things

>>104191372
I can't believe a manager used gura to make ash again

>>104191456
you're being facetious, If this bullshit wasn't here, Gura would be releasing Ash Again earlier.

yea they're gonna "train" every new talent in cover and by "training" hehe they mean SEX, they're gonna FUCK THEM on all of their HOLES and TURN them into complete SLUTS

>>104191568
indiefags projecting

>>104191211 (OP)
The fact that this addresses employees rather than talents makes me thing this was a response to the Omega shitshow

>At COVER, employees in their second and third years are expected to step up as project owners – driving initiatives on their own. And it’s not just about taking over existing projects. They’re required to develop the ability to create and execute entirely new ideas from scratch. That, of course, is not an easy task.
No wonder the talents start dropping off after 1 year

>>104191372
>but if employees were to see them merely as character IPs
ironically, this is what Kaneko believes when he was asked about Aqua's graduation. if fuckers like him still has a place in the company, Cover will never fix this problem.

>>104191793
>expected to step up as project owners – driving initiatives on their own
somehow marine, fubuki, kanata etc manage that without problems
almost like initiative is a good thing

>>104191323
How do you know

>>104191211 (OP)
>We fucked up really bad in the Omega, Blue Journey, and HLZNTL era and finally realized it
Better nate than lever

>>104191793
They're referring to student hires as graduates, so the talents can't get their own shit done because the new staff are off to do their own projects after working for one year

>>104191996
He can read.

>>104191285
>>104191996
I feel like i surrounded by underage retards.

>>104191365
>stop accepting shitty product sponsorships like rhinoshield or pon juice
Those are optional dumbass, even gura mention this when she saw the dodger collaboration.

>>104192108
They should accept McDonald's and KFC sloppa adds like self respecting jp holos do

>>104191211 (OP)
Decorpospeak T/L: "You're gonna eat shit, smile, and ask for seconds like a good little drone you worthless fucking bitch. We don't give a fuck about your health or safety. If you wanted that shit, you should have joined Phase."

>>104192206
Yes that's how working for every massive entertainment company is be it Japanese or not

>>104192206
>Phase
>caring about their “talents”

>>104192206
holy seethe, this almost reads like it's from the linkedin.
Look nigga, just put the fries in the bag and/or put the perms request in the fax machine, this ain't about you.
Or wait, are you illiterate and don't realize this article is talking about fresh hire STAFF, not talents? kek

You people can't read

>>104191327
CEO is retarded for what’s going on down there

>>104191211 (OP)
Finally, they're learning that they're the talents' bitches and not the other way around.

>>104191285
The business model is shilling merch, sponsorships and servicing old dirty bastard shareholders.

>>104191398
>>104191942
Wait I don't get it. Explain it to a dumdum to me.

>>104192074
A good 70% of /vt/'s userbase are ESL teenagers, so you're right to feel that way

imagine being one of the top streamers in the world, maybe in your late 20s, 30s or even 40s with half a decade in the company, maybe a decade or more streaming experience
and you get some fucking 2 year business studies graduate or media studies layabout coming in spewing buzzwords and trying to tell you what to do
they should execute these shits not educate them

>>104191211 (OP)
Omega was quite the faggot wasn't he?

>>104192711
Execute THIS lol

>>104191211 (OP)
Retards here can't understand that 'new graduates' are the newly hired managers/employees not the talents.
Western Vtubing wasn't a mistake. Not axing /here/ is.

>>104192606
As it should be
welcome to the entertainment industry

>>104192995
what can we do, /vt/ has been the ESL hive since the exodus to Tower. It can show YAGOO literally helping the elderly and the Phaseshills that reside this place would spin it into something else.

>>104192166
Can someone explain to me why ligger hate always seems to concentrate around McD ads?

>>104192711
This

>>104193437
McD send missiles to isreal
1 missile for every 10 Big Mac / quarter pounder

>but if employees were to see them merely as character IPs
>this after recently introducing affiliations, the first step towards unlimited style ctubers
lmao

>>104193437
They hate corpo, but also want corpo sponsorship themselves. It's one of those unsolved retarded mystery within liggersphere

>>104193437
because hololive doesn't have to take down the mcD ads like wosemi had to, because twittershitters are very retarded and free pakistanshit, retarded musulimshitters

>>104192995
Also people should stop to act like they know everything about management and how "corpo" works. They literally cannot get something that easy in this statement where they also say their employees they have to work in order to make the talent shape their ideas into something good.

Of course they're not talking about the talents, come on guys. I'm starting to think y'all just trolling at this point.

>>104191285
Do you know how to fucking read?

>>104191327
>New graduates thought that Talents are like anime or other product
>EN Exodus prove it right

Yagoo wants new graduates to understand thatTalents arent a product but a business partner

>>104191327
>all the new people i hired are stupid and ruined hololive this is on them though not my problem lol

>>104192003
Yorue both right
The problem with newly graduated hires are theyre so obsess with getting promotion as fast as possible that tey view talents as just mere "Stepping Ladder" for their career

>>104191211 (OP)
the real talent first chuba company...

>>104193900
kek 2 years already

>>104191211 (OP)
>>104191372
I dont understand how managers had this much power, imagine if Adele had to listen to her assistant and obey her random ideas. Managers are there to help talents, also even if a manager did that how did a talent not have the option to go further up the chain. Talents are literally what makes the company money, you think they would be divas of anything, but somehow it feels like they are at the bottom of the totempole.

>>104193437
They are very angry that cover does not give a single shit about their attempts to cancel talents

>>104191793
This is really stupid
>if you dont come up with new projects you get fired
>i need projects to not get fired, i dont care what
>talent hates it? dont care i need this job
Its a recipe for disaster

>>104194310
just blame talent,
please what they want. if fail use talent as shield

i hate it, this company becoming jews more and more. fucking bullshit stockmarket IPO or anything bullshits. it's time to leave, we're not gatekeeping enough. fuckk

>>104191211 (OP)
>This year, the training period ran from April 1 through April 8, including the weekend.
>including the weekend.
Fuck that, blow it out your ass.

>>104194362
>least obvious ligger bait

>>104194282
In most Japanese corpos managers are gods, in fact one of the most common complaints about Cover from ex-employees is how little power they have over the talents.

>>104194362
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>>104191245
Seethe more, "no saba no buy" did nothing. Saba is now a 4 view shitter that gets mogged by Nimi and Gigi. Nimi gets mogged by holoID. The exJPs get mogged by homos. And Pekora got 300k ccv this week.
Vshojo to the moooooon.

>>104191211 (OP)
>>104191285
>>104191327
>the article is about new employees
>liggers: TALENTS ARE NOW SLAVES TO THE CORPO
Jesas Christ

>>104192711
>>104193458
>and you get some fucking 2 year business studies graduate or media studies layabout coming in spewing buzzwords and trying to tell you what to do
Writing fanfic again

>>104191749
retard

>>104194736
this has been said on stream tourist-chama

>>104194362
True. Cover should be more like le based red pilled Phase!

>>104191211 (OP)
>Cover employees used to think of Holos as merely character IP without talents bringing them to life
LMFAO
Ebin

this whole "ligger" shit is so forced

>>104195264
because it is, both side is just shitpost false flaggers

>>104194310
Also
>if you dont come up with new projects you get fired
>no, you can't do that
>no, you also can't do that
>ok, you can do this thing, but only because you had to fight for over a year to do it

>>104195264
IDK man I took a look at their thread a while back and one schizo was ranting about Hololive.

>>104195264
shitposting need a new boogeyman now that nijien is pretty much dead

>>104195734
>one schizo
>caring about whatever schizos think
come on now.

>>104195812
you have to admit that all the over the top attacking of Hololive has to come from somewhere, I really wouldn't be surprised if it was seething 2views

>>104195544
>>ok, you can do this thing, but only because you had to fight for over a year to do it
>cancels it anyway at the last minute because of brand risk or some other bullshit
many such cases

>>104194282
>I dont understand how managers had this much power, imagine if Adele had to listen to her assistant and obey her random ideas.
>he doesn't remember Michael Jackson
>he doesn't remember Justin Bieber
>he doesn't remember all kind of stuff with labels dictating what singers/movie stars can and can't do/wear/say
Holy shit, how young are you?

>>104191211 (OP)
fuck i hate corpospeak. hurr "you must always bring value to the company" durr

>>104191285
if you actually read it, it says literally the opposite.
>every VTuber talent brings their own individuality and creativity, but if employees were to see them merely as character IPs and mistakenly think that talents are only there to help realize their own project ideas, there is a huge risk of losing the trust of not only the talents themselves but also the fans who support them
It seems it really was "disagreement with management".

>>104196017
yes anons the employee should bring value to the company
that's business 101

>>104192206
I dont think this is a business where health or safety are much of a concern anyway.
Youre talking about a bunch of women that get paid to sit at home play videogames casually and talk to chat, its less dangerous than practically anything thats not remote work and I dont think cover pointing that reality out to future talents is wrong. As far as we know regarding concerts etc. of course thats a bit more effort, but cover seems to babysit them pretty thoroughly.
I get the impression that most of the HoloEN girls are just chilling and that only a few like ina and the jps are consistently and diligently working stressful amounts.
the only thing they dont seem to accomodate is preexisting chronic issues, be they mental or physical.
If youre an anxiety ball like saba and cant do shit irl without getting physically sick, maybe dont become an idol for a foreign company where you need to sing and dance in front of a bunch of japanese women and I think them just allowing saba to basically not work for almost 2ish years and still get paid is beyond generous. Of course, that was in their monetary interest to a point as well though.
Phase connect is a support group for sad girls of couse.

>>104196259
k holodrone

>>104196259
Privacy and safety is a big concern because they all have psycho stalkers

>>104196308
yes me

>>104196289
you can both hate japanese corpos and acknowledge that whining about "safety and health" for one of the least straining jobs on the planet is retarded.

>>104196308
its one concern that is very easy to take care of for a billion dollar company, yes. That does not translate to relevant amounts of actual danger either way though, even if they were actually doxxed.
Most female celebrities arent living in underground bunkers either. The "danger" youre talking about is hysteria and on the same level as internetclowns talking about "deaththreats" they get on like twitter when trolls shitpost. None of them actually pose a relevant threat to anyone's life, and internet celebs know that too, they just whine for attention.

>>104194282
>Talents are literally what makes the company money, you think they would be divas of anything, but somehow it feels like they are at the bottom of the totempole.
Idols are usually viewed as replaceable products and that was how many of the EN talents were treated in the early years. Cover did slowly improve that situation but in 2022 it was noticeable that several talents were thinking of graduation. While the major graduation wave didn't start until 2024 it was the result of years of behind the scenes disputes that had festered

>>104196624
Rushia genuinely feared for her life and I don't blame her

>>104196888
that was an extreme case and shes a vulnarc with attachment issues. The paranoia comes with the condition and isnt actually her fault.
vtubers or streamers in general arent exactly getting killed in the streets, despite the alarmism.

>>104195839
Lol lmao even

>>104196888
Rushia in 2025 still has the highest superchat total in Hololive. She was heavily leaning into GFE far beyond was is typical for a vtuber. Cover encouraged that by selling wedding merch and lifetime engagement rings so the company itself was throwing gasoline on a fire.

>>104191211 (OP)
It's the same with manga editors.

With good ones, they can elevate your work and bring you to the next level.

Bad ones will actively hamper your growth or worse, kill creativity and turn a good manga into shit.

And the latter is way more common that the former. Just look at what happened to nihei tsutomu.

>>104197429
because gfe wasn't the problem
her being a self-sabotaging retard was

GOBLIN IS FUCKING RIGHT!
https://youtu.be/MiiW-7YC9GI?t=326
https://youtu.be/MiiW-7YC9GI?t=326
https://youtu.be/MiiW-7YC9GI?t=326

ITS ALWAYS THE FUCKING SALESNEGROS!!!

I don't see why Cover needs talents or streamers/concerts at all. Just hire managers to manage each other. Managers are truly what brings value to an entertainment company.

>>104197797
Go back to your hellhole

>>104191211 (OP)
im surprised that middle management and the like considered themselves above the talent and made them do things that they wanted
crazy
fucking know your place lol

>>104197797
retard

>>104197713
Thanks Tenma/Vee

>>104191749
That’s retarded that was years ago dumbass Rosarian

>>104197429
Wasn’t she dming her fans in private also?

>>104197713
i'm not gonna watch your clip, buy an ad.

>>104191372
But this didn't happen to Gura because she was never used for anything by any employees. This pretty much only applies to JP who take on 99% of management projects.

>>104193437
Did she get retarded twitter comments for that again this year

>>104198817
Maybe but nobody actually tries to cancel hololive for their mcdonalds stuff, a few nijibabas might whine on twitter but nobody pays them any mind.
It's always like this, Hololive got to play Inzoi when it was FOTM but nijisanji talents got torn apart by their harpies and couldn't. Hololive gets to do lucrative McDonald's deals but Nijisanji has to bow and scrape to their terminally online terminally unwashed SJW fans if they dare participate in a cute little hashbrown meme

>>104192816
Okay
*executes Cheebs with cum*

>>104198885
Actual nijis do mcd collabs and don't give a fuck.

>>104191211 (OP)
Shiori NTR "roleplay" stream soon, let's go!

>>104191311
It'll just be the Japanese corpo version of the brainwashing that they would have received as American 9-5 wage slaves

>>104191211 (OP)
this also includes the holostars. holostars management has been notorious for controlling their IP and shut down every lore and IP related project that the boys have tried to advocate for only to turn around and do nothing with the IP. it really does feel like they treat all of their talents as actual anime characters instead of humans who stream which causes a lot of the tensions behind the scenes and thus graduations.

>>104198885
The nijifags lament that they can’t pressure Holos the same way they do with nijien because Holo doesn’t outright pander or depend on them. That bint fag in particular used to complain about how he can’t start cancel campaigns against holos like he can against Nijis.
>>104198938
It’s only an issue with their EN fanbase.

>>104198938
>Actual nijis do mcd collabs
japan doesn't give a fuck about virtue signaling boycotts from slacktivists in the US

>>104191211 (OP)
The middle paragraph reads like it's talking about Omega lol

>>104198507
idiot. Pretty sure that one of Gura's grievances was management throwing away most of her project proposals and ideas.

>>104199697
holy based manager chad saving us from slop

>>104199746
YWNBJ

>>104199697
Ok, now which management project was Gura forced to work on?

>>104199182
Sure, Riku. Sure.

>>104199878
Umisea.

>>104191327
Okay so basically:
>Cover has been hiring new graduates from tech universities for a while
>One of the things they've been doing is essentially processing these kids to instill the values and skills they want
>One of the values they instilled is to realize they're support members and aren't the main character of the company
That's about it.
The reason being that on Glassdoor, ex-managers have tons of complaints all about how much power the girls have. Not to mention the entire debacle with Omega, which was so bad that somebody who left Hololive had to clarify that they WEREN'T him because it was affecting his reputation.

>>104199967
Remove Omega from History and we probably still have Gura here.

>>104199998
Omega was gone long before Gura decided to leave

>>104200035
Butterfly effect.

>>104200035
The homo twitter account got created after goob left

>>104200196
That's literally just different managers entirely.

So Tldr; its an acknowledgement that some of the managers were getting too focused on the corporate side of the business and were treating the talents as IP rather than individual talents, which is a big factor in what led to all the graduations within the past year or two.

If they are putting out a statement like this then I would think that there must be some more internal grumblings and they're trying to prevent another wave of graduations.

>>104200481
Sounds about right. The soul crushing business side is the main reason the girls left, after all.

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>>104194970
The schizo woke up and immediately started samefagging kek

>>104200481
That's literally what A-chan showed in her comeback stream, but of course the retards here refused to see the obvious even with a whole ass sad mv about her time working there

It's so funny to me how all of you fags think this is about EN while none of you probably even know about shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nexhYTQCDyg

>>104195839
2views aren't liggers

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>>104191398
How does this relate to Saba/Gura you retards?
>>104191426
EN sells more merch than JP though

>>104192003
Please stop coping anon, it's bad for you.

>>104192074
Yes. Those who graduated from Hololive.
Negligible.
>>104192206
Pretty much. Too bad Orange Man's tariffs made them anti-fan without choice.

>>104202254
No they don't.

>>104192372
Except it isn't? Why damage control?
>>104193437
It's slop. And I'm a Holochad

>>104194362
Just have Mori and Bae take over for EN as defecto heads. It's honestly not that hard.
Delisting is inevitable though. You know who to blame for that.

>>104194724
I'm a Holochad and I read the article. Not once do they say new employees, retard.
>>104195264
This. It's OK to love the talents and the company but despise Cover.

>>104195839
Or we simply expect the best to be the best and not some typical corpo in shackles with Israel and other think tanks controlling them, preventing good business?

>>104197429
She unironically did nothing fucking wrong. Meanwhile Marine is a sex pest and abandoned her fans on Valentine's Day and on her anniversary for a blue tranny.
>>104197713
People should simply listen to this woman. She is never wrong.

>>104202254
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>104202483
bro woke up and started spamming garbage on cooldown
how many guy have argued with this guy thinking he's legit?

>>104197797
Unironically if Hololive had a VShojo style business model and had no homos or runts it'd be way better than it ever was. Too bad VShojo was run by a criminal. Gunrun had the right idea, he was just a thief.

>>104202504
It's pretty impossible to argue anything in good faith on this trash heap board anymore.

>>104202514
>don't invest in growth opportunities
>don't invest money into group projects (advertising)
>unsustainable business model
Sounds like a good plan.

>>104200481
I doubt any ENs will be in question this time. Everyone seems perfectly happy there.
Still think the management needs a massive makeover so EN can't have another graduation for the next decade or so

>>104200481
the thing is if multiple managers get that idea then why, where did it come from? doesn't sound likely they'd all independently think to act like that, and it would match with cover's long-term plans to try to be resilient in the coming years even if vtubing as a fad simmers or dies off. that's what they tell their investors they want to do outright. basically something like how kizuna ai was built up into a brand where they were using her for whatever like as a model for a shoe ad? yagoo would fucking love to see that.

but the thing is like how ai herself just faded away when she stopped making content, cover can't just prop up a graduated girl. rather, they explicitly do the fucking opposite of that in stopping merch of graduated talents. like if they wanted to keep the idea of kiryu coco alive they could have still made plushes of her etc years later and they'd still sell. they make new scale figs of waifus from anime that finished airing years ago and such, it's not unusual at fucking all. so I dunno what kind of cope they smoke when they make all their talent explicitly short-term in support only while she's actually-there at the company and then also talking about "brands" and such. fucking what brand. the one that's at risk of going up in a poof of smoke any day if the girl leaves? real strong model there.

so tl;dr none of this brand shit ever fucking made sense and cover claims to care about it but in reality doesn't really do anything unexpected with it in this regard. it's more like middle managers and producers who were taught about brands for years at school or were laser focused on them in old jobs trying to sound/act important.

>>104202663
VShojo DID try to grow, but they were outdone by competition. People just want CGDCT/streaming anyways, they don't have to do much. Just consistency. No more passion projects and more talent first approach to the business.

>>104202545
There are worse places

>>104191353
nta and there's a lot of projection in that take, but the core captures what it says.

Reading the except from the screenshot, it seems like Cover identified that (some) employees saw the talents only as a means to realize their (the employee's) ideas, whereas their job should be to realize the talent's ideas.
And now Cover wants to fix that.


And that's correct. The talent should be the creative driving force, not staff. If staff knew how to make good content, they would be content creators, not staff.

I feel like western streaming culture and idol culture just have major conflicts. Other than FWMC, most of HoloEN feel like streamers first, and idols second, and a lot of streamers will always chafe under the restrictions placed on them during the endless search for content. Plus, western audiences seen to value individuals much more than any affilation, providing another incentive to just graduate.

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>>104200035
There are or were obviously other management who agreed with Omega's view, who think it's their job to create the lore and character and the talents are just there to act it out for them
You can see it happened with Umisea, you can see how much the HoloEarth director self inserts and pushes his own characters over hololive talents
he literally made hos own obedient little gura character

>>104191353
>>104205882

Yeah, in the corporate world, it's very common for managers to start believing they're the most important people in a company, and thus come to believe that the people they have control over are there to make the managers look good, as opposed to making the company money.

The "xenophobia" part is that people get an idea of what foreign audiences will find interesting, but don't actually understand the foreign culture enough to realize why something won't work. Like, remember the Marvel animes, or how Square Enix's Left Alive (a Front Mission spinoff that was a 3rd person stealth shooter for some reason,) are both totally forgotten? Well, that happens because people start with an idea of what other cultures will like/what will appeal to everyone, and then get the suits get angry and confused when nobody cares.

Conversely, something with a strong self-identity, like Undertale and Grand Theft Auto, and appeal to Japan even where something like Microsoft's Xbox JRPGs did not.

>>104191211 (OP)
This kinda reads like someone with very diminished sway lamenting about the corporate culture being different now. You only say something like this when you have no actual power to pull them into a meeting and yell at them.

>>104191285
seafag go to sleep

>>104195994
labels also made their music contracts more draconian after Taylor Swift successfully bought all the rights for the songs she composed (basically pulling a Patra for the vtuber equivalent) labels don't like talents having too much freedom because they're harder to control.

>>104200866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSh5I6PSMOg

>>104197713
This guy usually gets things right.

>>104199967
>on Glassdoor, ex-managers have tons of complaints all about how much power the girls have
That actually makes me feel really happy about the inner workings of Hololive. Managers are the support to the public-facing streamers.

>>104199967
>somebody who left Hololive had to clarify that they WEREN'T him
Who was that? I had a theory about someone recently and I don't want to slander them.

>>104191327
>>104191211 (OP)
This is corpo speak for
>Streamers shouldn't be thinking about their own career but should be thinking about the company instead
>Managers shouldn't be supporting streamers to achieve their goals but should be directing them to do whatever will help the company most instead
Very standard big business attitude.

,>>104191211 (OP)
I remembered when they tried on the main channel to introduce and shine the spotlight on the employees they got a huge backlash because really outside of nodoka and a-chan who really actually gives a fuck about these no name, no vtuber model employees. Some of the employees really thought they should get the same benefits and recognition as the talents they were hired to support

>>104211613
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAASED, that's my oshi

>>104215572
it's kinda crazy how japs really want that employee caste system to be maintained and wants wagies to be reminded that they're inferior.

>>104215707
it's all capitalism at the end of the day.
the positive side of Japanese work culture is that you don't have to degrade yourself by pretending to be your boss' friend

>>104215900
wait, isn't that what's exactly happening at Japanese workplaces? like you're almost obligated to hang out with him on drinking parties if you want to maintain that clout and hopefully get promoted?

>>104215954
i know that there's semi-mandatory afterparties but i don't know how common it is compared to American workplaces
it's definitely one of America's more toxic cultural exports and Japan needs to stop importing it

>>104191211 (OP)
Yeah the whores should know this is an idol company, stop lusting after cocks during work hour, or using company-given IPs to do it. It's just that simple

>>104191211 (OP)
Is this about Nodoka?

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>>104215900
You're a moron.

>>104191211 (OP)
the current culture is talent get fucked employees get a slap on the wrist for fucking up massive legal paperwork for foreign talent. Incompetent company run by retarded proto chinks that's just sinking and losing talent everyday.

>>104191211 (OP)
Too lazy to read it.
Let me know when EN5 is announced or the homos get sold off to China.

>>104191211 (OP)
So they finally admit the sabotaging Gura's pet projects at every opportunity was probably bad for the company

>>104215433
This is why even the brownfeets from whatever third-world hole laugh at some of you, burgers. You can’t even read first-grade shit.

>>104191211 (OP)
surely, this will fix everything
it's totally not a national cultural problem

Cover is making sure they never get another Gura for holoEN, by that I mean they wanna make sure all the future EN hires are gonna play the game Cover wants them to play KA move to japan, do lots of recordings and such, participate in 3D stuff after you move to Japan, etc. Keep them busy with enough things and other nonsense to where they lose consistency in their schedules and content output, so that not a singular person will ever blow up like Gura did and surpass the JP holos because it's embarrassing to have a random foreigner girl surpass all the old senpais on the JP side that have stagnated.

Don't believe anything they say, keep in mind the company grew very big at a very fast pace to the point where not even yagoo knows about everything going on despite the talents being limited and capped at a specific number right now, it's not like he needs to keep track of thousands.

>>104191211 (OP)
So they’re learning that the retarded autistic Jap managers they hire, and the unbendable demands they place on the talents have been the main cause of their most popular girls leaving what should otherwise be a dream job.

Good.
I’m glad they’re finally figuring this out.

>>104217882
3 years too late. and they'll never learn.

>>104191211 (OP)
>Company first
The new direction

>>104191211 (OP)
Cover is upset at the resistance during the Stars fiasco. When it was the resistance that kept HoloEN alive after Cover's direction almost destroyed all that EN had built up.
The best years were EN without Cover's direction.
Now have to settle with ENReco as their gift to EN.

>>104194310
>>104195544

I'll give them a freebie, PekoChoco lingerie.

>>104218393
It’s actually crazy how close EN came to being completely destroyed by Omega and his homos.

Actual Hololive fans had to push back against it for months and months. Getting called “fake fans” and “incels” and “unicorns” by people who barely even watch clips, let alone streams.
And to this day they still think they are the silent majority of the fanbase as they sit on Twitter.

Had holo fans not pushed back so hard against Cover and even the talents, EN4 probably would have been a mixed gen and Holo EN would not be far behind Vox and Millie and NijiEN in terms of stream content and viewership.

BrownVTM and Twitter trannies, if you’re reading this, you’re welcome.

>>104191211 (OP)
Reminder that Gura has been battling management since 2022, before she started her quiet quitting and making the "Ash Again" song.
They had plenty of time to adjust, but chose to push away the American girls.

>>104217780
It's fucked up because JP holos are fucking shit vtubers.

>>104191211 (OP)
>Have the most successful vtuber company in the world
>Mostly due to luck and timing and the hard work of your talents
>Do everything possible to fuck it up like trying to force the homos on everyone for 2 years or forcing your talents to come to Japan for 4 months straight

Yagoo please….

>>104218505
>EN4 probably would have been a mixed gen
Fully believe that the later Stars debut was intended to be mixed. They had to cancel that with all the backlash. Explains why only three and the long wait before another girl's debut.

>>104218646
i kind of wonder what would had happened if Cover doubled down and actually debuted a mixed gen in Hololive.

>>104218577
and so called talent freedom dead BEFORE the so called difference in management
really ? vshoujokek

>>104218632
Homo boogeyman isn't real.

So this was all a nodoka deflection

>>104218632
>most successful company in the world kek

>>104191211 (OP)
Omegatranny was an example of what this looks like in action. First two gens suffered irreparable damage by background retards with an ego.
Hope this isn't just pointless corpo shit and they mean what they say. There's literally no business without the talents, they're everything.

>>104219630
It almost destroyed the entire branch anon. What the fuck are you taking about?

>>104218632
>>104221914
obsessed

>management should take a back seat
>good!
>so we're graduating A-chan and Nodoka
>NOT LIKE THAT

>>104222425
Head managers should have mandatory streams to know how to interact with viewers and not make stupid choices

Man I know this board is ESL as hell but this is sad

Black company

>>104191211 (OP)
i wonder how many companies are malding towards Cover for being an anomaly as far as jap companies are concerend.

>>104222105
Concession accepted.

>>104197797
>manager-centipede

>>104223697
We should only make threads with walls of corpospeak from now on, I'm having a laugh at all the illiterates

>>104191285
>talents
hes talking about staff retard

>>104191372
>>104191398
Okay I'm clearly OotL. Exactly WHAT "happened" to Gura...?
Did she leave because her manager was forcing projects on her?

>>104231473
All of her projects were rejected while she was forced to do umisea shit. She didn't go along with the script so they made "umisea JP" and brought that othger JP whore in.

>>104231530
Cheers. Where was this leaked?

So... we can finally say that most anons /here/ not only don't watch streams, but they aren't even able to read what they reply to? Fitting, honestly

>>104232743
you don't need to know anything or actually respond to your opponent to ragebait

>>104191285
learn2read faglord

>>104217780
>Cover is making sure they never get another Gura for holoEN
they never will because Gura was the culmination of the perfect storm of covid and vtuber hype

>>104235229
The biggest factor was her raw talent.

>>104191372
Somebody got fired.

>>104191372
Didn't this also happened with the other girls? It kinda sucks that they are taking action this late on the game over this but I can see how some stuckup asshats would believe that they are the reason the talents are doing great as and shat on the girls.

>>104235785
Hope it was many since I doubt only a single person fucked the carriers of several talents.

>>104191327
Turns out Yagoo doesn't actually have any control over the company. A bunch of retarded investoomers decided to go full Silicone Valley with a bunch of retarded ass new directions and caused a lot of graduations due to the streamers not liking the fact that they don't get to have any input despite being the "products".

>>104191245
japaneses are not xenophobic, that's just being japanese. Learn their history and culture

>>104194282
>how did a talent not have the option to go further up the chain
Japs don't allow you to speak to someone beyond your station unless the higher up specifically asks for you. It's an entirely different work culture from what we have here in Europe, but not as ass-backwards as what the americans have.

>>104196624
chinese right?

>>104238120
yeah, it was getting worse in recent years though. the japs hired a bunch of people for behind the scenes stuff that thought they were important

>>104191211 (OP)
@grok summarize this into a sentence of 10 or less words

>>104238590
Cover hive-mind company

>>104235635
She was the right person, but you have to factor in the right place and the right time too.

>>104235229
they never will because twitch totally poisoned the EN vtubing culture.

>>104191333
dooby*

>>104247455
It dooby like that

>>104238590
stop trying to micromanage the talents to increase manager prestige

>>104231473
She had enough when Senzawa posted the "Uh Oh" tweet, causing many to think she was leaving then.
But before then, reminded of Rust. She loved that game because it allowed her to be a gremlin. Even played off-stream often.
But on her membership stream, she announced she was no longer playing Rust. She would be afraid of breaking their rules. Hinted that she was reprimanded and new rules were added. Pekora hinted, saying veterans are no longer allowed to initiate attacks on lesser-skilled players. Management turning Rust into Minecraft caused it to flop thereafter. It was a great platform for organic collabs of all the branches.

>>104251409
It's amazing how JP always ruins these things every single time.

>>104192074
Cover doesn't have a school nor university retard

>>104194740
>>104197916
>you can't take lessons from years ago
Holy big retardedness

>>104253954
They have a training program for manager clearly and that's what's being discussed in the OP, how is that hard to understand?

>>104191245
No, EN girls wanting to cut out the middleman and make all the money are why they left. Too bad they are too retarded to run a channel without managers.

>>104224385
>upper management literally telling lower management to fuck off and let the talents do what they want
>black company
Nijiseethe is unreal sometimes...

>>104205882
Best reply in this thread

>>104205882
>If staff knew how to make good content, they would be content creators, not staff.
We all know this is never going to be fixed because management by nature is full of sociopaths with main character syndrome just trying to climb the corpo ladder and hit retirement. Just think of any normal job and then imagine management actually helping employees below them and contracted workers to accomplish tasks instead of just trying to grind them into dust to increase ROI.

>>104193894
Who said that?

>>104231473
>>104231679
retard newfag

>>104194777
>this has been said on stream
Name 3 who did say it

>>104217780
>>104235229
>>104235635
>>104241845
>>104245954
>>104218579
>they wanna make sure all the future EN hires are gonna play the game Cover wants them to play KA move to japan, do lots of recordings and such, participate in 3D stuff after you move to Japan, etc. Keep them busy with enough things and other nonsense to where they lose consistency in their schedules and content output
The article explicit goes against this you professional retard

>>104256603
No it doesn't.

>>104238400
>japaneses are not xenophobic
>Shogunate were from Chinese ancestry
>Yakuza are/were from Korean ancestry
>Their tech is from Western culture
>Their urban design is from American blueprints
>Their fashion is from European stores
>Japs pretend none of this is true and it was all from their own mind
Nothing makes more japs more furious then being shown how little they contributed to their own "ancestral" culture
Hell, even the legendary O-katana's "muh sacred nippon tamahagane jacketed form folded 10 thousand time-a-ruu!!" was from some buck toothed Chinese blacksmith

>>104256674
>Shogunate were from Chinese ancestry
wrong
>Yakuza are/were from Korean ancestry
also wrong, but they already believe Koreans are all criminals
>Their urban design is from American blueprints
which is why Japs are riding around in F-150s on massive street grids with no sidewalks
>Their fashion is from European stores
Their fashion industry is distinct from Europe

Black company??!

>>104211613
She's next.

>>104258486
Yes