Thread 104259713

So we all know Zen's "secret", they are now doing what Mousey does if you ever bring up certain confirmed info.

>>104259713 (OP)
>So we all know Zen's "secret"
What, that he's a guy? I have no idea what the fuck this is about and I'm not watching your shitty video essay.

>dramanig tears
Delicious, based zen.

>>104259713 (OP)
>jeez i wonder why people would get mad at third worlders trying to dox them for a few rupees
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>104259713 (OP)
Dude work on your thumbnails and buy an ad

>>104259867
>Dox
This is public info anon

>>104259867
>compiling old stream clips containing no personal information is doxing
Are you retarded?

>>104259713 (OP)
KEK, previously he was doing this through Vshojo, but he's still doing it now? Reminder that Zen would hate for you to know that he's a man, so he has been filing false copyright claims again and again against videos such as this one, which contain only old public stream clips: https://varishangout.com/data/video/13/13911-dac6793d3e133c380bb249a08bfc0473.mp4

>>104260260
We know your deep in the closet anon

if it wasn't his real voice, why would he strike down the video lol?

>>104259713 (OP)
>Zen got outed is striking everyone
>its one video from a guy who has 500 subs on youtube

okay buddy

did you get so butt hurt from getting made fun of on /xvsj+/ you had to make a catalog bait thread?

fuck your a pathetic sad faggot arent you?

>>104260348
>ESL
I accept your concession.
>>104260260
Kek

>>104260283
its okay to be gay anon, its 2025

>>104259713 (OP)
I reported your Shiori video to hololives harassment form get you next channel ready faggot

>>104260437
that is not a concession. I am an actual faggot and can tell you are deep in the closet. you can be gay anon, its okay

>>104259713 (OP)
Great thread mate. Keep it up

>>104259713 (OP)
>got ridiculed in /xvsj+/ so hard that he came crying like bitch and trying to make his retarded rrat with 0 proof a thing in catalog, of all places
jfc what a fucking loser KEK

>>104260282
0.02 rupees have been deposited in your account sir, thank you greatly for doing the needful.

Yeah everyone knows zen is a guy.
You're a bit late.

>>104259847
spbp

>>104259713 (OP)
>>104259782
>>104260201
>>104260260
>>104260533
"least" obvious samefag

>>104260513
It's understandable that your defense mechanism is to deny reality, you were likely naive enough to think Zen was a woman at some point, but you gain nothing from persisting in it now that you know better.

phasekeks are just jelly because clio can't afford to do the same thing

>>104259713 (OP)
>check channel
>doxxcity with IRL faces
This would get you banned even from /vt/.

>>104260553
>n-no only exactly one person is allowed to know Zen is a man, stahp

>>104259713 (OP)
>another dramafag youtuber making a bait thread so they can bitch about not being allowed to monetize other people's drama like the parasites they are
kill yourself

>>104260565
>It's understandable that your defense mechanism is to deny reality
Yeah the reality that you are in the closet and need to make it everyone elses problem. i am an actual gay man, its okay anon

>>104260553
"least" obvious seethe

>>104259713 (OP)
Zentreya LLC, huh? Where's that registered, and to whom?

little bro is getting mogged here and on /xvsj+/ lol

>>104260619
I know that you're gay, you're defending your favorite male vtuber after all.

>>104260628
most creative retort

>>104260633
oh trying to change the subject now that your getting mogged by anons, cope and seethe faggot

>>104260641
>>104260513
>Samefag desperate for (You)s
Here you go anon

>>104259713 (OP)
Leaving aside the gigantic faggotry of that clipper, I find more interesting that the Muso TNT shit still exists. Guess they are just copystrikers for hire.

xhey're seething pretty hard, huh?

So many fags in here defending a TTS homo LARPing as a woman. Vtubing really is dead and good riddance. I hope I'm not part of the next hobby you parasites touch.

uh oh
melty

>>104260721
uh oh russky melty

>>104260721
i hope you kill yourself

>>104260721
>doxxfag whining about parasites
Hmmm.....

>>104260721
nice try but no one cares about your 0 view drama channel

>>104260763
There's a higher probability of you trannies necking but go on

>>104260721
>get into degenerate hobby
>find degenerates
how could this happen

I'm assuming this is the same video that everyone has seen posted of supposedly Zen on camera (a woman) not knowing very, very basic details and people that have been in the Zentreya community for a long time while the guy who is on camera (Zentreya's "friend" supposedly) several times in just a few minutes makes corrections and has a lot more understanding and knowledge of the people in chat and what they're trying to say?
That's always a funny video to look at, you'd think Zen would have given his girlfriend even the tiniest amount of prep about his community, so it wasn't blatantly obvious to everyone.

I don't get how it's a surprise that someone using text to speech and a female model is actually a guy, like who would have guessed?

>>104260825
Zen fans just refuse to admit that they are fags. Life would be so much easier for him and his fans if they accepted this fact.

>>104259713 (OP)
all vtuber drama youtubers deserve a violent death
i don't care which vtuber the videos are talking abourt, they are all cancer and bitching about it on 4chan is double cancer

>>104260879
there has been people who have told you that they are actual faggots and watch zen. but you keep ignoring them because they can tell that you are deep in the closet

>check this tts vtuber out
>playing some kind of modded half life
>can aim
>bunny hopping everywhere
yea, that's a guy

>>104260825
Wait, that's it? And they use the same attack dog company they used to scrub the Ironmouse video to DMCA any retard posting it?
lmao, that's funny, there's a lot of ways to make that shit a nothingburger, of course the retards just copystrike anyone posting it.

>>104260902
Yes because ALL of them need to admit they are faggots. They're watching a dude shake his ass for them and jacking off to it.

>>104260825
It's that, combined with some other sets of clips supporting it was his girlfriend doing the voice reveal. Even just that fake voice reveal should be enough though, literally has """"Zentraya"""" (his girlfriend) saying she's excited to 'become part of the community' (even though it would be HER fucking community), not get very common jokes and turn to him to explain them, and mispronouncing the names of regulars.

>>104260937
Doxxchads are the most oppressed people on the planet. It's public information after all.

>>104259713 (OP)
I hate this micropenis idiot. He is like the same tranny that went after gura years ago and lead a hate train only to be outted as a fucking lolicon herself. Pretty sure this dumb fuck has tons of csam hidden in his fucking pc.

>>104260937
Yep, by constantly taking these clips down of a once public stream they are only confirming its authenticity. Luckily Zen has a bunch of rabid horny faggots /here/ ready to defend him and suck his dick.

>>104260950
>watching a dude shake his ass for them and jacking off to it
You've thought about this a lot huh? Now hit me back with a "not as much as you" reply.

>>104260984
>Doxxchads
Nah, those faggots deserve to die. But that shit was way before vtubing, a lot of the erp faggots from VRChat deserve to be bullied.

>>104261029
Why are you so committed to defending this guy? You say you're gay and you enjoy watching Zen, okay, so why are you so adamant about trying to prevent others from learning that he's a man?

>>104261029
Sorry I've only seen a clip here and there where people just horny post about him so you'll need to fill me in on whatever else he does in his streams. Clips of him shaking his giant tits and ass seem to be the only things that go viral, so I'm assuming that's all you fags watch.

Is there even a single person on /vt/ who thinks Zentreya is a girl?

>>104260950
They pretty much do. Zen fans always hit back with
>yea we know
or
>It takes a man to be best girl
It's not a revelation to anyone

GodFast, you are an absolute mongoloid.
I don't even care about the subject here, but you are a weeb coomer trying to conflate it with some Christfagging. How fucking retarded can you be.

>>104261117
Then why won't Zen himself come out and admit he's a babiniku. He can finally cut off the TTS and just be himself. If his fags truly accept it then they won't leave in droves.

zentreya is based for nuking OP's income of the month

>>104261169
u tell me

>>104261109
If you've ever been to the /xvsj+/ general it's full of people who are that deluded.

>>104261169
idk I don't watch his content
What's weird is how this all seems to be news to you

>>104261169
I bet there are plenty of viewers who haven't seen the videos and still have the "it's totally a girl" plausible deniability.

>>104261169
I genuinely think they are lying when they say "yeah we know" or "so what". They actually don't believe it and just pretend to so people stop BTFOing them.
Plus it's obvious from the whole Grifterrat drama and his drunken meltdown that everyone actually treats him like a girl, with the same level of excessive "empathy" and kid glove treatment.

If he ever actually comes out of the closet his numbers will absolutely collapse

>>104260533
No one actually knows. But more importantly, no one gives a shit.

>>104259713 (OP)
It’s so weird how mad some people get when you call zen a man, like it’s not that deep bro just admit it

I'm so shocked

>>104261169
Imagine the indirect shockwaves on vtubers he's collabed with suddenly being exposed for not only homocollabing, but actively participating in the lie that they're not homocollabing by pretending he's a girl.

>>104261501
>We admit you are correct
>...you're lying
This is a new level of desperate dramafagging.

>>104261563
>No one actually knows
It's too late for that cope, anon.
>no one gives a shit
Yet you responded. Yet Zen hides it to this very day.

Must be a slow weekend if we're dredging this back up again.
The zenfags will obnoxiously passive aggressive about it and deny any denial on their part.
Everyone else will see the coverup for what it is, get mad that there's a coverup, realize it's been an ongoing thing for the better part of a decade and despair/try to rally people and fail.
Both sides will run out of steam, with nothing getting accomplished.

>>104261666
"No one gives a shit" means no one who matters. That means you, chud.
I truly don't give a shit about the off-stream gender of any of the streamers that I like. If I am entertained, I am happy. If whatever they're doing is giving me a boner, I am happy.

>>104261736
>"No one gives a shit" means no one who matters
So Zen doesn't matter, agreed. It's very cool and reddit that you don't care about someone's SEX, not a reason to deny that Zen's a guy though, so you're just coping.

hey OP there are hundreds of unsucked cocks here for you get to work

>>104261789
>so you're just coping.
Ironic.

People will believe whatever they want to believe anyway. But this situation just shows how insecure and fake Zen is, as usual. I don't care about Zen gender and I don't think it should matter for their content but please, Zen should just shut up about how they want to do charities and help others. It's all for communication and be seen as a "good person"

>>104261643
This is probably the main reason. He's fucked himself. If he gets outed as a homo in disguise he will become public enemy number 1 for every Unicorn friendly girl he collabed with and they will make it their mission to absolutely destroy him to save themselves. I guess it's true what they say, you eventually suffocate under the weight of all the lies you've told.

>>104261820
I accept your concession
>>104261858
>gender
least obvious samefag

>>104259713 (OP)
vshojofags will always suck his dick no matter what you do, he's info is all over on TG

>>104260615
Tranny chaser.

Has your seethe thread gotten you any views or subs OP?

>defending zen without vsj money
Literally doing it for free

>>104261789
Coping with what, chud?
I just said that Zen could be a hairy-ass dude - cis dude, even - off stream. I. do. not. care. I will still continue to watch at the same rate that I always have.

I don't care, why does he care? Everyone knows he has a dick, only retarded coomers might be in denial and they aren't people anyway.

>>104261992
cry more, faggot

>>104262019
I mean I'll still cum to her, especially when she does the foot wiggles. I'm apathetic as to whether the person who plays Zen has a dick or not.

>>104260260
just your daily reminder to ARCHIVE FUCKING EVERYTHING

>>104262100
I'm not a chud, so no, I shan't be doing that. If I did have a copy of whatever you consider to be DAMNING EVIDENCE then I sure as shit wouldn't share it with you.

>>104262007
>cis dude
Just lead with that you're mentally ill next time, then others can avoid the effort of attempting to reason with you.

>>104262176
But then how will I bait (you) into seething more? Not that it's particularly hard, but still.

>>104262176
>I, the chud who's going to absurd lengths to invade someone's privacy about something that has nothing to do with me, am the reasonable one
kys

This is the only board on this website wherein defending the honor of celebrities is considered normal and noble as a de-facto position - probably because it's the youngest board and the majority of its posters do not post on any other board and were only introduced to this site via this board.
This is why the entire rest of the site views this board with disgust and its users as extremely embarrassing to the rest of the site. I don't think the majority of the posters on this board are truly aware of this fact and how they are viewed.

>>104262154
>casts "your oshi graduates, brings down all her content and never reincarnates" on you

>>104262252
>babby's first containment board

>>104262241
>invade someone's privacy
>public stream clips
Zen is evil, you will never be a woman, and you're retarded too apparently.

>>104262252
If she were a stupid chud like the people trying to doxx her then I wouldn't be trying to defend her at all. Everything that I've seen of her suggests that she's just a cool person who likes to put on fun, teasy puppet shows for her audience. If she was involved in something like Collective Shout then I would probably be cheering on the doxxers.

>>104262252
boohoo the rest of the site filled with post-2016 election tourists and normalfags says mean thing about us

>>104262307
>Zen is evil
Evil how? For giving you a boner? How is that evil?
>you will never be a woman
Correct, I'm a cis dude.
>and you're retarded too apparently
I do not have whatever brain damage you've sustained that is causing you to care so much about this. Pretty sure that's the opposite.

>>104262360
>cis
>>104262316
>her
Goodbye samefag tranny.

Total Dramatuber/Doxxfag DEATH

I don't care about Zenfag but all Dramaleeches and Doxxniggers should be beaten and hanged.

>>104261169
Easy, because he's being treated like a woman, that gives him way more appeal. If he used his real voice even with a male model no one would know his name.

>>104261858
I was with you until the charity part. Even if it's for vain reasons, charity is charity.

>>104262436
We don't sign our posts here.

>>104259713 (OP)
>Ex VShojo member Zen or one of "her" fans cares about kayfabe and tries to protect it by reporting the channel for copyright infringement

>the utterly mindbroken russian faggot is still at it, hours later
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>104262436
I'm still here, bitch.

>>104262504
Porcelain Maid already does that schtick, and he's a pretty solid 3-view.
Zen has decided that she wants to keep her flesh person out of her brand. I see no good reason for why that shouldn't be honored.

>>104262267
I haven't watched any vtubers in a long time, have any good ones to recommend?

>>104262749
there's this one who's called Zentreya that you might have heard of, she's p good

>>104262719
>I see no good reason for why that shouldn't be honored.
doxxniggers just can't help themselves

>>104260283
Because you wouldn’t want false claims that hurt you floating around?
Whether Zentreya is a hyper feminine bimbo or basketball player from Detroit they’d obviously want it down

>118 posts and not a single pic of Zen's huge tits
Disappoint.

Imagine spending 5 hours desperately trying to farm drama then several more hours trying to advertise yourself on 4Chan for not even a whole dollar

>>104262904
here you go

>>104262868
>false claims
???

Hololive wins again

>>104263159
the fuck did they win

>>104262988
these idiots all think they're going to be the next The Quartering now that he's up shit creek with debt lol

>>104259713 (OP)
>The hypersexualized vtuber who refuses to use his real voice is in fact a mentally ill autogynephilic deviant
I for one am shocked at this turn of events. Absolutely flummoxed.

>>104263159
The dramafag making this thread also created "hitpieces" against Holomem.

>>104263251
don't care, penis hard

>>104259713 (OP)
>tranny vs dramafag
nuke /vt/

>>104259713 (OP)
>crucifix in name
that means he is filipino

>>104263344
nuke your genitals in the microwave, nothing good is ever coming out of them

>>104260283
"They got mad about the lies I'm spreading, that must mean that they're true" is some room temp IQ logic

>>104263428
>thinking about stuff coming out of male genitals
Extremely gay coded post tbdesu.

>>104263179
being the least drama-associated/least obnoxious vtuber group by process of elimination

>>104262719
>Zen has decided that she wants to keep her flesh person out of her brand
his
>honored
What does that mean? If he openly said "yeah I'm a guy, but that's not the character I'll be playing", that'd be different, but he's deliberately lying so that people are tricked who would otherwise not support him (financially or otherwise). That is shitty behavior, why would you want to honor that? Where is the honor?

>>104263436
>He tried to hide something, so it must therefore not be true
huh?

>>104259713 (OP)
Yeah I'm sure this is a completely genuine video and not at all a desperate ploy for attention on your floundering dramafag channel

(What the fuck is a 304?)

>>104263495
His Shiori video is right there.

>>104263550
It doesn't really matter, the evidence for zen being a man is pretty solid.

>>104263516
Because her actual flesh person isn't in the fucking stream. She's never sold herself as anything other than Zentreya. If she told me one day that she was going to show me her "real flesh woman vagina" on her next stream and then showed me a penis instead, *then* I would be irritated.

>this thread
zencord going wild

>>104263639
>her
>She
You didn't answer. Why is it worth honoring someone's lies designed to exploit naive dumb people to get their money?

>>104263550
type 304 into a real calculator and then turn it upside down

>>104259713 (OP)
There are people who still think this ghoul is a woman? wtf

>>104263776
Are you talking about GFE vtubers?

>>104263778
Is he fuckin' 12 years old?

>>104263825
Answer, craven.

>>104263776
I did answer. You're just pretending like I didn't, as chuds are wont to do.
What you see is what you get with Zentreya. You're not sitting in the same room as her flesh person and you never will. You can watch or not watch. You can jack off to her or not jack off to her. You can pay the 250 bits to annoy her via TTS or save the bits for another streamers. She's not promising anything other than what she's delivering, which is a sexy model performed sexily.

>>104263776
Because in the end Zentreya is a female character being acted by a male and you watch the anime character and not the actor. You know most hentai you consume is drawn by a dude? Many of the most popular waifus are written by a dude. Now if you care about parasocial dynamics that much I won't argue against not following her, but jesus christ. If people watch Zentraya solely because there's a mute women behind her avatar deserve to get their money exploited considering her boring ass content.

>>104263862
Vtubing is inherently deceptive, so yeah.
It's worth to keep up the facade, that's the core of vtubing.

>>104263855
Mentally, yes. That's usually the age where you start taking your chud bible school lessons seriously.

>>104263303
Enjoy the aids.

Funniest part is that there's a portion of zen's fanbase that actively knows he's a man but is okay with pretending to buy the kayfabe just because they think the "virtual" zentraya is still hot and fappable so long as they're on stream.

>>104263937
See, that's the beauty of vtubers. STDs are impossible.

>>104263550
OH NYOOO SHE INSULTED CHRISTIANITY

I don't care about Zen's gender. But if Mouse, Henya, Haruka, and Ari ALL distanced themselves from her after she @everyone in her discord to say Ari wasn't her friend for no reason, and did a drunk suicide bait stream directly after to sic her fans on Ari, she's probably not a good person.

>>104263550
so this guy seems like a schizo from numbers

>>104263940
Theyvare jerking it to a 2015 skyrim mod with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgLdzd9HS_M

>>104263902
How do you think people would react if people found out zen was a man pretending to be a woman? You don't have to answer because we already know the answer from another vtuber that was already outed for that, Asria. Stop pretending the real person doesn't matter, no one fucking thinks like that.

>>104264013
>gender
It's "sex"
>her
Lmao

>>104264062
>You don't have to answer because we already know the answer from another vtuber that was already outed for that, Asria.
Literally who

>>104262719
>>104263639
>>104263902
>>104263912
vtubers are not characters and none of them act like they are. They are real people being themselves behaving spontaneously to things happening live in real-time, therefore the idea that they are characters is inherently impossible. No vtuber is a character and performatively treating them like one is absurd, fake and gay and nobody really believes it when they say this.

>>104264093
I think I explained everything you need to know about him.

>>104264062
MotherV3 did a voice reveal in 2023 or 24 and it barely impacted his/her numbers.

>>104264002
Christianity is the only religion that is allowed to be casually insulted and treated unseriously. You ever wonder why that is?

>>104264100
>No vtuber is a character
Not true, however, the only true character vtubers are the ones who are not livestreaming as their full-time job.

Ironmouse's sidekick Bubi, who only appears on-stream as a special guest for special occasions, is a good example.
Trickywi's alter ego Nouvelle is another.

It is just not feasible to improv a character for several hours a day, multiple days per week.

Real character vtubers are presented specifically as such and are reserved for their express character purpose.

>>104264100
>vtubers are not characters and none of them act like they are. They are real people being themselves behaving spontaneously to things happening live in real-time, therefore the idea that they are characters is inherently impossible.
She's a big-breasted dragon woman with gigantic anime eyes. Take your fucking meds.

>>104260260
Hes not a troon but still anal about keeping the secret, Idgi

>>104264021
He is, I remember him promoting his videos on there not too long ago (so much for "buy an ad" huh?)

>>104264221
Because Christians let it get that way. You have only yourselves to blame.

This guy had a coordinated hate raid with at most 25 people as far as I could see in his twitter live. Unfortunately that's more than enough to spam a board alongside a couple VPNs.

>>104264313
being yourself but just dressed in a costume doesn't mean you are a character. It just means you are wearing a costume.

>>104264520
Not within the context of a suspension of disbelief anon, that's the entire premise of Vtubing. We all know that Pekora isn't really a rabbit princess from peko land with a speech impediment, but we play along for the sake of entertainment. Just because Samuel L Jackson walks out in a trenchcoat and eyepatch doesn't mean he's Nick Fury, but if he's in the context of an entertainment medium, he would be able to assume Nick Fury's identity by having the audience suspend their disbelief within that context. Yet Samuel L Jackson isn't really a government super agent ordering super heroes around. It's the very basics of acting and movies, anon.

>>104259713 (OP)
Zentreya isn't a person, but a brand. Hopefully people know, and just don't care. Parasocialism makes me sick, but so much of that makes the world spin, so meh.

>>104264678
>For tshe sfakge of enterffgtainm?ent
Ifz ofnly she wsas enterxtainsifng

>>104264520
When you want to send a message to Zentreya and not get banned, do you address her as "the flesh person currently driving the pretty 3D model of a lady with large breasts, who's real name is X and who lives at Y", or do you show respect and address her as Zentreya?

>>104264694
There's a person behind the brand, and that person has made it abundantly clear that she doesn't want her flesh person in the conversation. Unless it comes out that she was trying to get Planned Parenthood defunded or some shit there's no reason to doxx her.

>>104264760
>her

>>104264678
I don't believe that you really believe that a vtuber and Nick Fury are comparable, you are just saying this for the sake of the argument because it's vaguely convenient for you to pretend a vtuber you like is a character when they face criticism but they are being real when they do something you like.
A person turning on a webcam and live reacting to a chat, talking about mundane things and their daily life for several hours in real-time but just with an avatar and putting on a voice is NOT the same as Samuel L Jackson acting as Nick Fury and to pretend it is comparable is just disingenuous and I refuse to believe anyone actually really believes this.

There is no 'suspension of disbelief' in vtubing because most vtubers are not being characters, and conspicuously people only ever start treating them like characters and saying 'they're just a character' in response to criticism - but otherwise people treat them as actual people that they are personally invested in most of the time who they take at face value as being themselves.
I refuse to accept this slippery playing fast-and-loose with definitions game that anons here play to defend celebrities that they like.

Vtubers are NOT characters and they are NOT acting and you don't really believe it when you say it.

>>104264760
If he's a man and you acknowledge that fact then why do you keep calling him "her"

>>104263917
For me there's a big difference between lies of omission and actively lying though.

>>104264100
Based and common sense pilled. Vtubers don't play characters, not fully. It's 95% just a real person with 5% character lore at most. It's ridiculous to assert you shouldn't take anything seriously that a vtuber says or that it's clearly kayfabe when the lines are deliberately blurred.

>>104264840
Yeah, her. This all you got, chud? "Wow, that guy insists on addressing people the way that they want to be addressed kek"

>>104264872
I acknowledged no such thing, chud.

>>104264855
They aren't all character, that's true. The bad ones aren't. If you could replace the anime avatar with the face cam of any other women (even good looking) you lost the essence of what made vtubing popular in the first place and the fact you're putting words into my mouth and telling other people what they believe even when faced with definite proof is mesmerizing. Improv theatre is an art that existed for hundreds if not thousdands of years and the fact you just recently discovered that e-thots can wear anime suits and pretend to be vtubers doesn't give you any credibility either.

>>104264329
Zentreya probably trooned out in the time since that stream happened. Some of his simps have said he broke up with that girl in the video as some sort of failed gotcha, and in current year one reaction to getting dumped is trooning

>>104264196
They already knew.

>>104261563
we knew even before the creation of vt, faggot.

thank you pippa for bringing these people here

>>104264100
Go make this argument in a Nimi seethe thread and see how people react

>>104260615
Worst part is that most retards trying to gain clout /here/ keep forgetting that most successful /here/tubers dropped /vt/ and 4chinz in general the moment they got big. Meawhile, these retards never move on and believe that constantly posting here will make them relevant.
These not-self-shilling-at-all threads are always a good laugh because you can see how desperate they are to stop being an eternal 2view.

>>104265260
Proof next thread as always, right anon?
Calling someone a tranny a few thousand times isn't gonna magically turn a dick in an axe wound.

>>104264355
could also be because of humility and guilt.
Christianity is not the only path to Truth, anyway

>>104261858
They didn't distance themselves after the fact. Henya hadn't talked to Zen for over half a year, Mouse and Zen had a complete falling out after Mouse sided with Gunrun at the end of June.

Ari and Zen had their big fight a few days later because Ari refused to drop mouse, and Zen admits herself that she is incredibly vindictive. It wasn't until a few hours (and drinks) before the @everyone that they had their final fight.

>>104262577
Creators asking fans to donate to charity through them is 100% a scam. Otherwise they'd tell you to donate directly.
If Gunrun didn't steal ironrrat's money she would've found ways to profit off it

>>104265740
>>104264013
Ah Beans, Quoted the wrong one.

>>104264760
It's a brand. Who gives a fuck about the actual taxpayer behind it. That person could not give two fucks about you.

>>104265815
Well, a scam can be like if I sent money to someone's paypal and they gave me a "trust me bro" wink wonk. If it was a donation link that goes directly to the charity, then I wouldn't consider that a scam. This is a situation where everyone benefits, including the streamer who can use it as clout to push future merch and sponsorships, etc.

>>104265046
>her

>>104259713 (OP)
All streamers are grifting fucks who only like you for your disposable income. It's just business, at the end of the day. How you choose to spend your income is up to you.

>>104266049
see, even in your scenario it's not egalitarian. The word grift gets thrown around a lot in these parts but streamers + charity are just pure grift and greed

>>104265388
Proof is already in this thread>>104260260, there's even a summary for ADHD zoomers >>104260952. You knew that already though, but you're desperately trying to convince new people that open this thread that no proof has been posted. Too bad anon, you're too late.

>>104264760
>>104265072
>>104265046
>>104265072
>>104261736
>>104262007
>>104262154
>>104263902
weak LARP, not very convincing. Try again next time.

>>104260553
shut up zentreya, stop acting like a woman.

>>104262055
Says the Lia avatar.

>>104259713 (OP)
I stand with Zen

>>104262320
2016 was 9 years ago, retard.

>>104264100
>vtubers are not characters and none of them act like they are
clueless retard LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>104264013
henya is a worthless nijisister and an ungrateful cunt who faked her mom's illness to hide from uncomfortable questions

>>104264855
>brings up fucking hollywood as a counter-example
be gone, tourist, we don't care for your western slop and will never do so again

>>104265944
She doesn't need to care about me on a personal level for me to care about her safety and privacy. Neither of us care about most people on a personal level, because that's impossible.

>zentreya is a male playing a female character
Yep
>zentreya has to go on webcam and drop trou and wave his penis on stream so that I can be happy
???

Can doxxfags please explain themselves for a moment here?

>>104266265
>2016 was 9 years ago, retard.
And yet most of them still make several thousand posts a day here whining about "woke" things, as if that's the reason why their lives are shit and not the lack of class consciousness.

>>104266519
Here, I'll do it for them. It's internalized homophobia.

>>104266519
Here, I'll do it for them. They're self-hating homophobes.

>>104266519
zentreya is a man princess playing on twitch for money

>>104266523
Get a clue that no one wants your leftoid politics and fuck off, twitch tourist.

>>104265388
>someone posts proof
>it’s deleted
>delusional zen fans ask for proof again

It never ends

>>104266523
while sucking the dick of a billionaire celebrity themselves lmao

>>104266547
You're on a board that calls male vtubers faggots and pests. Of course there is going to be people who have something against someone they think is a male pretending to be a female.

>>104266658
No. This is a leftoid board now.

>>104266663
Maybe take the hint and stop harassing someone who's done nothing to deserve it?
Like, show us proof that she's worked with someone like you. Should be even easier to produce. That would *actually* hurt her reputation.

>>104266674
"Accuse others of that which you yourselves are guilty" and all that

>>104266417
how fucking retarded and illiterate are you to not see that I was responding to the example that the anon I was replying to used? Dumbfuck

BASED kill all dramafags

>>104266921
I don't care about your excuses, stop advertising the enemy

Zen is never going to come out as a man, because if he is a man then his "clingy" behavior with his female friends goes from being "aww, zenhera is yandere ~" to "this creep is a sexpest".
People quickly glossed over that stream, but Ari said that Zen was controlling and obsessive, and even that drunk stream where he threatened to kill himself was classic abusive behavior "if you leave I'll kill myself" type.
Even the fact that he only goes after 2 views is odd, given there is an obvious power dynamic there too

>>104267014
unserious LARPing retard. Stop talking like that, you sound ridiculous and make whatever cause you think you are championing seem laughable and like some autistic nerd LARP when you talk and act like a dramatic videogame character like you are doing.

>>104267177
I'll never watch your (hollywood) slop again, shill, not even if your buddies ban vtubers and anime in every country on the planet

>>104267103
>Even the fact that he only goes after 2 views is odd
Zen goes after collabs with literally everyone, only 2views will drop everything to show up every time.

Also ari complaining about controlling and obsessive people means nothing when she immediately went on to spend the next month building a rapport with mono on michis offline subathon chat.

>>104267298
NTA but you are mentally ill.

>>104266117
there's also the clip where he forgot to change his mic to tts in a game

>>104267342
>Ari being forced to defend herself after Zen's public callout
>Said that he was in fact a creep
>But that doesn't count
Okay dude. also funny that so many people with numbers quickly drop his ass, but only the 2 views who are dependent of him stay.

>>104266117
>You knew that already though, but you're desperately trying to convince new people that open this thread that no proof has been posted. Too bad anon, you're too late.
I honestly don't care beyond /vt/ calling tranny everything they don't like, I wanted to see if I was wrong or if it was just /vt/ being /vt/. Turns out it was just a guy roleplaying, that's not what a troon is anon, but it's still lame people got scammed.

>>104262719
Doing it from Day 1 sets the expectation.
Admitting it many years later, you don't get that same benefit.

>>104267633
Wut, I didn't call him a tranny. The original post here >>104260533 just called him a guy.

>>104267700
Oh yeah my bad, confused a few posts.

>>104267748
You're right that many are calling him a tranny too though. It's not that I don't understand the leap to that (guy pretending to be big titty woman online and making sexual content), but I think it's more likely it's just a guy who saw the money in doing that.

>>104259713 (OP)
>they
Who is this 'they', OP?

>>104259713 (OP)
...Zen's a guy.

>>104267647
"admitting" it kek as if she had any obligation to tell you anything about her flesh person's gender in the first place
why don't you just admit that you're scared shitless of any possibility that a dude *might* have had something to do with your boner? you can't correct the problem (you being a little bitch) until you admit that you have one

>>104268140
>she
>gender

>>104267509
It is funny but only when you realize that this is a case where literally everyone else is wrong because most english vtubers are western women. These girls have a 3 year shelf life before they burn out doing something retarded and get piled on by rabid wolves, while zen is a pillar of stability that keeps trucking along with her revolving ensemble cast.

>>104268260
You realize that this description fits Harvey Weinstein, right.

>>104268198
Yes, very good chud. "She" and "gender" are in fact both words that were used correctly in that post.

>>104267780
Being a poser is worse...

>>104268377
>correctly
You've given up on refuting the proof entirely. I'm thankful that you continue to double down, it convinces more people opening this thread to pick whatever position is opposed to yours.

>>104259713 (OP)
tranny (zen) melty

>>104268481
Probably. If there ever comes a point where he's forced to own up to the facade, I think he'd claim he's a tranny since the backlash would probably be lesser.

>>104268504
Sounds more like this dramanigger is having a melty because his video was removed.

>>104268495
I never engaged with your "proof," chud. In fact, I've consistently pointed out that your "proof" does not matter. Zentreya decides how she is to be addressed, not you or anyone else.

>>104263204
>The Quarterpounding
People still take him seriously after unironically went
>You will own nothing and be miserable
?

>>104264221
>>104264002
>>104264355
>>104265580
Christianity is the path if you want to be a pedo though.

>>104268365
You do realize that weinstein raped no one and a bunch of whores got on their knees and willingly sucked his dick for money and favors, right? Hundreds of them didnt regret it for decades, until he was removed from his position of power and they no longer had industry leverage through him.

>>104264329
>I have no idea why he would want to keep it secret when 80% of his fans jack off to the model and blindly hope that he’s really a girl

>>104269015
Catholicism isn’t Christianity, retard.
>supporting
Description is not prescription, a concept so basic that you would have to willfully ignore it because not even the dumbest retards would mix it up. And yet here you are.

>>104269131
Uh oh, the christian pedo is upset his cult got called out for protecting pedos.
I'm sure we can clear this all up and the bible has a passage condemning a grown adult having sexual relations with a child.
You just got to cite it.
Because if there isn't one, well, that's not good given all the passages that support it.

>>104269131
>Catholicism isn’t Christianity
amerilard protestautist cope lol

>>104269015
>Christianity is the path if you want to be a pedo though.
The Church of Satan constantly attacks the Bible and Jesus Christ. They avoid directly attacking the Talmud or the Quran so it sure feels like Satan worshippers have a deep hatred for the Son of God.

>>104259713 (OP)
godfast the most incel nigger cuck on this earth, good, fuck him

>>104269482
So satan is anti pedo?
You're making him look better and better.
Also this >>104269423

>>104260721
cry about it more maybe it'll make it change this time

>>104260721
Queer people are everywhere. They were here before you were born, and they'll be here long after. You will never escape. Seethe harder.

>>104264760
Doxxing someone would be giving out personal information. A person's gender is not, lmao.

>>104260201
Ah, so it really was just a compilation of stolen content, so Zentraya did nothing wrong. Thanks for admitting it, you can stop posting now.

>>104263548
>If I invert your example of retard logic, it's still retarded!
>This is me making a point somehow!
Anon... go back to fucking elementary school and start way-the-fuck over with education, you are completely and utterly retarded.

>>104264760
It's a man, not even a tranny, what a smoothbrain woke faggot you are. If you are going to a pathetic simp, at least to a woman faggot.

>>104263602
Is this evidence in the room here with us?

>>104270113
>invert
Anon-chama, your reading comprehension reps...

>>104270150
It's already in this very thread, yes.

>>104269015
>listen to what some people literally calling themselves the church of satan have to say
lolno

>>104269851
they're only less than .1% of the population and they're gonna be even less than that in the coming years if they keep insisting on acting so uppity and obnoxious about themselves

>>104264013
>her

>>104270124
I'll simp for whoever I like, chud.
>>104270382
You really think you're the only ones with guns, don't you? That's precious.

>>104264013
The only friendship ending that matters from that lineup is haruka and she doesn't stream anyway

>>104259713 (OP)
Ironmouse I understand because it involves loved ones not involved in this entertainment industry. Zen probably benefits from all this controversy, lmao. Trannies are desperate for a win, rather than support someone who is actually transgender and not just some straight guy ripping off the mentally ill.

>open thread
sorry, I only watch Hololive
>close thread

>>104259713 (OP)
There has been discussion about zentraya being a dude for years here

does anyone have the video saved?
I can't really base my opnion of off anything without having seen it

>>104271384
What was the ironmouse one?

>>104265222
>Probably trooned out
Post proof or kill yourself

>>104271662
Ironmouse has been a vtuber for a very very long time. At the start of her career, she was very open about past relationships and more. When she got more popular, she tried to scrub all of that from the historical record to avoid turning off potential fans. There is a specific video, which is a compilation of her from that time speaking very openly about *things*, and that video will still get you banned on here if you share it.

>>104271803
Aaaah yea I know that video thought it was something new that came out.

>>104270330
Then Zentraya is a woman. and OP deserved to get take downed.

Zentranny lol

>>104262868
Objective, immutable truth is not a false claim you fucking nigger

The problem isn’t just Zen lying about being a guy. His fans excuse his meltdowns and clingy behavior because they think he’s a girl. If the truth came out, the same actions would look manipulative and creepy. That’s why people stay in denial, admitting it means admitting they’ve been covering for him all along

>>104272021
nthPBP, the cognitive dissonance is limiting the spread among people who find out, while the DMCA abuse is limiting it among people who don't know yet.

>>104260260
Kill yourself Simon

>>104271803
Oh you mean the one where she admits to having a daughter and pawning her off to her mother so she can go pretend to be a animegirl on the internet?

>>104265356
>people
lol, lmao even.

>>104272186
Belmont?

I thought vshojo is dead, who's paying for all these shills itt now

>>104259713 (OP)
I remember watching the clip of Zen almost shitting himself. The way his model got up and moved and then scuttled away way the most man-like thing I’ve ever seen la 3D model do.

Seriously, go watch the clip.
The fact that anyone ever thought a real woman would use TTS instead of their actual voice is absolutely insane to me.

>>104271579
The guy making the videos is absolutely schizo and was collabing with the Nazi Miku vtuber. This thread only got so many posts because he was also very loudly and openly Christian and Christians are offended when you raise a mirror to them to show them how they behave.

i can't believe people actually thought this troon was a woman.

>>104269015
>church of satan
Their founder Lavey renounced it and asked God for forgiveness on his deathbed because of the fear of punishment lmao

>>104273519
Debunked.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/anton-lavey-final-words-church-of-satan/
Meanwhile the Anti-Christ is asking you for $15 to help him get into heaven.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fundraising-email-heaven/?cb_rec=djRfMl8xXzFfMTgwXzBfMF8wXw

>>104261169
Because Americans can’t comprehend the babiniku concept, they shout about trans and liberal agenda while creating another front for their shitty culture war

>>104273174
not techically a troon

>>104273719
I appreciate seeing someone else fight these retards, but your effectiveness leaves something to be desired. You remind me of me a decade ago, back when I thought I could talk them out of it instead of realizing vicious mockery is the only thing that actually has any effect.
Besides, the Satanic Temple is the cool one, the Church of Satan hasn't really done anything of note.

>>104259713 (OP)
>twitter keeps showing that tranny on my feed even tho I clicked the option to not show posts from that account
>check profile
>500k followers
Fucking hell bro, do people really what that tranny that doesn't even bother to use a real voice? Vtuber with literal voice changer, are you kidding me???

Is it zen or one of his fans trying to derail the thread with religous debate?

>>104273936
It's less about reaching out them with reason, and more pointing out how they're wrong to any third party readers who haven't drank the kool-aid
>Besides, the Satanic Temple is the cool one
The Satanic Temple is how I imagine old 4chan would a religion, part trolling the powers at be, part actually doing some good community service

>>104259713 (OP)
the more he strikes it down the stronger it becomes! he cant keep running from this

>>104259713 (OP)
oof

>>104261169
Money

>>104272359
I couldn't find it. Next time post the title of the clip

I wouldnt care if zentreya was a guy, but it's the fact that he or she is clearly trying to be dishonest about it because it would hurt their views. There's plenty of babinikus and a lot of korean/japanese crossdressers sound and look like hot girls.

>>104263550
What's even the point of making these videos when it's obvious nobody at all is interested in them.

>>104281695
>nobody at all
>have a thousand views
it's only 'nobody' relative in scale. From the POV of that guy it probably feels good to make a video like that and get any views at all. There are at least a handful of people in existence who agree with whatever his views in those videos are and who the videos appeal to, otherwise truly nobody would find them.

>>104259713 (OP)
Why are novelites like this, dawg

>>104259713 (OP)
If a VTuber is using a fake voice and you are not prepared for that VTuber to be a man, and it turns out they were, then honestly you get what you deserve. Either you're smart enough to realize this yourself and you decide to either watch or not watch Zen regardless, or you're not smart enough to realize this, in which case it's unlikely that this kind of shit will change your mind. So why bother trying to convince retards anyway? It's a fruitless conversation, you're just wasting your time with this shit that's already played out over and over again.

>>104281982
you know what DMCA the shit out of him now lol

>>104259713 (OP)
Zen is a grooming weirdo. I hope eventually everybody comes out and exposes him.

>>104271445
It's okay when hololive does it though

>>104281982
I'd be shocked if this guy was a fan of vtubers at all, let alone an honest to god novelite.

>>104281982
How is posting the word homo on youtube not an instant ban

Can someone please tell me what the unicorn/pill emojis that this nigga is spamming on twitter mean? Is it an oshi mark

>>104281982
>>104282041
>>104282927
>>104283143
>this is who calls you a parasocial unichud incel
You beggars should be spending more time watching clips to support Da Bois

>>104283863
>>104283863
>>104283863
>>104283863
>this is a guy who quotes a bunch of posts at once and replies with something irrelevant
DUHHH POTATO! SHOE!

>>104283863
What the fuck are you talking about retard

>>104272227
o7