Thread 104348382

So...

>>104348382 (OP)
Well she was right.
The project was a graduation and redebut.

>>104348382 (OP)
>Join company
>Make a million bucks phoning it in for 2 years
>Tell everyone you're working on a HUGE project it'll take forever to finish
>skip out on regularly showing up for anything for 2 years
>the project is actually just your portfolio for your solo career
What the FUCK was her problem besides being a fake/ironic weeb

>>104348494
it didnt take 2 years because of her or anyone else involved, cover were the ones bullshitting her around, a common abuse tactic, niji does it too

>>104348531
There is no evidence Gura was even working on a project, other than her graduation and reincarnation.
Ash Again? Maing an original song takes 2 years of ghosting?
Cover was blocking Gura's project? Well what was it? Nobody can tell.
If everyone else is making contents but Gura isn't, it is her own problem.

She lies as naturally as she breaths

>>104348650
>Ash Again? Maing an original song takes 2 years of ghosting?
Anon? That's probably what it was.
Reminder that "It's not a Phase" which is a generic song was ready for ages and had to be delayed more than a year due to cover nonsense.
Ash Again was a much more ambitious project than that.

>>104348650
Be thankful there are NDAs.

But doesn't matter anymore. She's free. Cover is no longer leeching off of her.

>>104348531
so this is it, you waited two years to roll out the "holo is just as black as niji".
you know you could try and just make niji look better instead of dragging everyone down with you.

>>104348723
I mean she was right and then Jap got removed from the EN branch

>>104348494
I can’t fault her for getting a massive paycheck while doing minimal work.
But the way she lied to the chumbuds for 3 fucking years is absolutely fucked up in my opinion. I wrote her off after the first 2 two times she said she was “coming back” and only came back for a week.

>>104349131
NTA, and Holo definitely not "as black as Niji" but corporate nonsense is definitely a drag and likely leads to burnout when every step of every project needs 15 business days for a suit to okay it or not, and then potentially fucking things over at the end.

The difference is that in Cover's case, it's likely incompetence and poor communication while Niji is actively malicious and uses it as a control tactic.

>>104349222
Damn Cover.
Should have just let her cook. Instead of blocking her every move. They really hated the girls not collabing with Stars.

>>104349222
She never lied; "I'm doing what I can when I can" was a hint her graduation
She doesn't owe you anything
She is better off as Saba

Subhuman holodrones got what they had been asking for (Gura's graduation), yet they are still whining. They are the worst, and I hope they all kill themselves when their favorites graduate and/or Cover goes under.

>>104349143
this.
2024 was the rebound year from Cover's mismanagement. But where is JAP now?

Gura later changed that to 2025 will be an interesting year. She was right again.

>>104348382 (OP)
pebbleseethe

>>104349409
I agree and I put most of the blame on Cover. But like Gura could have been honest and said “Yeah this is the new normal. I have to be in Japan a lot so expect just a few streams every month.”

By saying it’s a project, and she’s almost done, almost done, almost done… She literally lied to her chumbuds and made them think she was ever going to come back and stream normally again.

>>104349624
>She literally lied to her chumbuds and made them think she was ever going to come back and stream normally again.
Chumbuds who watched her membership streams knew her beef with management. She openly expressed her sadness, like them cancelling half of her 3D Live. Long delayed merch release for it too. And that management was posting on her Twitter account as her. They knew she was no longer happy. No Chumbud expected her to return as before without Cover changing. Some signs of hope, like them letting her use the Pal World mod, but the final months became obvious she was leaving.

>>104349856
Well either way I’m glad she left and streams more frequently now. Seems like it was the best decision for her and her fans.

Gura, Fauna, and Amelia wanted to stay on Hololive, but they also wanted a special niche carved out for themselves so they wouldn't have to participate in "idol activities" or travel to Japan constantly.

The branch of full time streamers.

However, the management wouldn't tolerate such lazy bitch behavior, so in the end they had to part ways.

That was the best choice; Hololive is about the idol journey and a group effort.

>>104350073
>lazy
Going on your own is far from being lazy.
Being a yes man is lazy.

>>104348723
That wasn't wrong, though

>>104349856
>>104350113
kys lying coping faggit

I like how the narrative now is apparently that Gura spent 2 years not streaming so that she could have enough time to craft a song whining about how people were upset she wasn't streaming.
>Sorry guys, won't be wishing you Merry Christmas again this year, too busy writing another stanza about how BURN IT DOWN TEAR IT DOWN you wanting me to wish you Merry Christmas makes me feel

>>104350113
Jumping ship with a golden parachute and a huge established fan base is also lazy.

They could have started from scratch, but instead, they chose the easy way out, leaving all their fans, friends devastated and damaging the company's reputation for no reason.

>>104350147
Cover was lucky that Gura didn't leave in 2022 when Senzawa posted the "Uh Oh' tweet. They made millions off of her.

>>104350200
KEK
Okay that was pretty funny

>>104350230
>Jumping ship with a golden parachute and a huge established fan base is also lazy.
She brought a significant portion of that fanbase to Hololive. It's hers. As we all know, most Chumbuds only watched her, not Hololive.
Hololive owes her more than the other way around.

>>104350200
She did not spend two years; they blocked her graduation with several sabotages: the first Ash Again MV (likely ghosted by management blue homo style), Full Color, Myth 3D that took 4 years, the Vampire Girl cover that was cancelled, her dream city pop 3D live that was postponed despite the fact that she had visited Japan multiple times in 2023, and god knows what else.

Also, worth mentioning that Cover not only didn't want her to graduate, but also desperately wanted her to be in the Dodgers collaboration, they'd kill to be able to postpone Gura's graduation for a bit.

>>104349500
>She never lied; "I'm doing what I can when I can" was a hint her graduation
No, I don't think Gura was considering graduation in 2023 and it wasn't until 2024 that she made that decision. The "would you follow me in my next life" question was likely around the time that Gura finally decided that she no longer wanted to work in Hololive. Cover really messed up since it took years for Gura to completely lose hope and 2024 was an indication that many talents no longer liked the direction of the company.

>>104351067
Oh, she absolutely did, as Cover had become IPO corposlop by that point

>>104350949
>My source?
>I decided it within my own mind, then immediately convinced myself it was true.

>>104348650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRBdAekb_Ww
Fuwamoco confesses one of her songs was in limbo for 2 FUCKING YEARS, what now?

>>104351439
This whole thread reeks of projection.

But people know, both holofans and outsiders know that middle management has been shitty. anyone who's been /here/ since Myth debuted knows about it.

>>104348785
And the mix and auto tune is still so fucking terrible

>>104351585
This. People who only came here during the Advent Debut don't know about how resourceful and creative MYTH was to circumvent all the handicaps COVER gave them.

>>104351585
I agree but I think she stayed because they offered her a massive paycheck to continue being the Holo EN shark mascot, not because they wouldn’t let her leave.

They should’ve just let her stay in her home and stream, but they wanted her in Japan half the year being an ambassador and a mascot.

>>104348723
that's the manager using her account, not her

>>104351709
the best thing she could've done is to shoulder some projects on her own, involved others to help her out, but alas, she seems to be distant when others describe her.

Gura is a traitor simple as

>>104351898
Gura is already dead anon

Have some respect for the deceased

>>104351521
Did Fuwamoco stream less then 3 times a month for 2 years?
It's one thing to be pissed off that your original song is not coming out, it's another to be a fucking lazy ass

>>104351709
>but they wanted her in Japan half the year being an ambassador and a mascot.
Which still in no way excuses her lack of giving a shit for TWO FUCKING YEARS. Let's not pretend her ambassador work took so much time out of her day, when in reality it was mostly just Cover adding artwork of her in other things, and her making an appearance like once in a blue moon.
No amount of "management bad" explains her shitty behavior and complete disregard of her fans.

>>104352607
>>104350949

>>104352607
>Let's not pretend her ambassador work took so much time out of her day
Also considering that her usual partner in these assignments is... you know... churning up songs and covers like a factory.

>>104349131
Casey Edwards was the one who said it, not me or Gura you fucking gorilla

>>104352190
it's a question of whether you're willing to let the company make you their bitch
They refuse to release the projects you care about and invested your time and money in until you do every shitty thing they want you to do
That's why everyone who thought they could make it alone left while those desperate for the company to keep them bent over and took it

>>104352190
>Did Fuwamoco stream less then 3 times a month for 2 years?
They didn't stream as much as Gura during her first two years.
If they decide to leave, then can compare with Gura's latter years.

>thread is about Saba
>MUH Gura
>MUH Black Company

seriously, getting "can't stop talking about his ex" vibes in this thread.

>>104351898
>Nijicoded word
Figures.

>>104353274
>Thread is about Gura.
You are the retarded one projecting ex vibes

>>104353460
>gura
>saba is in OP Picture.

>>104353287
No idea what you're talking about bub

>>104352190
>Did Fuwamoco stream less then 3 times a month for 2 years?

>>104348650
She was working on Full Color, but then some backroom corporate shenanigans happened and so she started working on Ash Again and released it days before her graduation. I could see that taking two years, especially considering she's not as serious about producing music like Mori and Suisei.

>>104348789
No I will not be thankful there are NDAs you fucking homunculus, unlike you I want to know information.

>>104353274
>>104353480
There really is no point being coy about distinctions, especially since they both share a thread.

>>104348531
why would Cover want Gura their biggest talent by one metric at least out of the group and not even affiliate? Why would they push her on constant hiatus for 2-3 years straight? None of that was in their interest even under retard like Omega and we know he was out for a long time. It's all chuumbud cope nothing more, perhaps Gura was just to retarded to actually get anything from management because it requires talking to them or something.

>>104348789
>leeching

she was a 1K shitter before holo and would never be anything more with her weird attitude

>>104354454
she got lucky with the model. If she wasn't, saba won't have the same EXACT Archetype.

>>104349856
everyone had some issues duh perhaps she was extra retarded about producing it, was she using external studios or what?

>>104354476
No, unlike the others, she got discouraged easily.The safeguard that prevented her to quit early was Ame, once Ame left, it was not a question of if, it was a question of when.

>>104353100
>If they decide to leave, then can compare with Gura's latter years.
So you agree with him that Gura stopped streaming because she wanted to leave, not because she was busy with anything.

>>104350302
she was a small memestreamer before holo, most of this 800K subs came from shitpost songs and never cared about her

>>104354835
Like what I said, she lucked out with her model. Even Mumei worked harder.

>104353480
Too retarded to directly engage with. Do not.

Gura sucks
Saba sucks
The end