Thread 104397190

Enna responds to the allegations. /vt/ was twisting her words yet again. Surprise surprise.

don’t know how anyone can take her seriously when she was bff with that wigger

just like vshoujo revenue, en market is negligible, en vtuber is negligible

>>104397190 (OP)
>enna uses the idiom planting seeds half a dozen times
>everyone else is twisting her words
yeah okay lmao

>>104397190 (OP)
Who?

More like she was being ambiguous as fuck so it was inevitable that her words would be misinterpreted.

People say Luxiem was when Nijisanji was ruined, but I say hiring psychopaths like Enna and Hex did far more damage to their reputation.

kek

>>104397190 (OP)
not buying it enna, you vindictive cunt

>>104397190 (OP)
hi emily! show some ass!

>>104397190 (OP)
I was just planting seeds..

>>104397190 (OP)
What a funny backtrack
>My excoworkers need to stfu about how bad they were treated while working here, I'm getting treated like a princess and they're fucking up my numbers and paycheck
to
>Oh uh that's wasn't direct at anyone, just don't interact with any rumors guys haha community positivity~

>>104397190 (OP)
fuck you Enna

>>104397190 (OP)
I'm still spreading those seeds from my dick and balls, bitch

>personal gain which can end up hurting real people
running low on chips huh? thats alright youll find someone who is lower in the hierarchy than you that has something you want then it wont be "personal gain"

>>104397190 (OP)
>worried about the negative enabling by our community
whoa it's almost like it was exactly what the native english speakers interpreted it as.
Ennaschizo's losing his touch, man. He could've easily reframed it as "sisters are so fucking bad that even ENNA is telling them off."
>inb4 "omg ur enna"
I'm just so fucking tired of all the fighting, man. I just want for Doki to be able to thrive and get googled by new people without the niji drama showing up halfway down the first page.

>>104397829
Honestly notHex has had zero drama since he left which is weird as hell to me

>>104399191
Sorry, but no. She's trying to walk back what she originally said.
Let's look at what she said on stream:
>But when people are going around planting seeds, even when they don't wanna be associated with us, when you're planting seeds you're hurting people
"Even when they don't wanna be associated with us" - who is "they"? Obviously she can't be talking about her community, because they DO want to be associated with her/NijiEN. So think to yourself, what sort of people "don't wanna be associated with us"?
You might think she's talking about ex-fans, but why would she be directing this towards ex-fans who wouldn't even be watching the stream? And with that in mind, look at her very next line:
>I see a lot of people exploiting that too, and using it to gain some sympathy points from the audience
Ex-fans wouldn't have an "audience" to "gain some sympathy points from". Who do you think does have an audience they could gain sympathy points from?

Yes, she did tell the current community to not engage in unnecessary bad threads/conversations, but that is just the wrapper around the candy.

>>104399753
Eh, looking back at it, it seems more like a way to reframe the situation and venting about the situation they put themselves in.
The only part I really cared about was
>just a kind reminder to anyone here, don't engage in unnecessary bad threads or conversation, don't go around arguing with people. It doesn't do anything.
As far as I'm concerned, this is the only command, and the only one I give a shit about.
They can seethe til the cows come home as long as the fighting eventually dies out.

>>104399906
Yes that was the only command, but you really shouldn't ignore everything she prefaced it with. She basically blamed people for planting "bad seeds", for "slander", for "speaking out". People who she herself said are:
>closer to us
>don't wanna be associated with us
>using it to gain some sympathy points from the audience
>coming to exploit that sort of thing. And you can really profit off that.
>have the platform to have that kind of influence
And many other things.
There's only one group of people who fit the bill of what she's talking about.

>>104400181
Yeah, I don't care. She said it to her chat, not outside of her community so I really don't give a shit what she says or thinks as long as they either leave us alone or try to find some kind of peace.

>>104400247
The fact that she's blaming "those people" for things 1.5 years later, shows that she herself has not found that kind of peace.
Not to mention she isn't even practicing what she preaches:
>if people have the platform to have that kind of influence, you kind of know what you're doing. You know whenever you insinuate something or plant seeds, it affects more than just you, it affects all of us
Maybe she shouldn't have tried insinuating anything herself. Maybe she could have just stuck with saying "there's a lot of hateful comments out there, please don't engage with them". But no, she couldn't do that, she had to pin the blame for things on someone(s). And that's what people are shitting on her for.

>>104400550
>shows that she herself has not found that kind of peace.
That's the thing
It doesn't matter whether they've found peace as long as they can act civil, like that time when Ryoma ended up matching with Doki that one night.

>>104397190 (OP)
tldr, but never trust what the bitch enna says

>>104397190 (OP)
Enna doesn't give a shit. She is part of the klique.

Is there a clip or something? What did she do?

>>104401646
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/104300470

>>104399301
It's as if it's their audience. Don't hear anything about them before or after Niji, but only Niji.

>>104397190 (OP)
what happened this time

>>104401668
So that's what that Nijislicker thread was about.

>>104401805
She blamed ex-livers for speaking out about their mistreatment for causing Nijisanji's viewers to fall. Also in members she recently called out Matara specifically. She's trying to "set the record straight"

>>104398967
>2019
We were so young, innocent and free back then.

>>104401839
thats hilarious

>>104401839
>Also in members she recently called out Matara specifically.
tl;dr on that bit?

>>104401972
https://streamable.com/7lmzez
>Matara said that Enna and Millie excluded her from the group
>these rumors are totally malicious and false
>Matara's random meltdown spreading these rumors caused a lot of damage to Enna and Millie

God I hope this is a preemptive damage control for some near future nuke.

Enna and her filipino clique ruined EN vtubing.

>>104399301
Didn’t he encourage a teenage girl to cut his name into her arm? That shouldn’t be something you can just drop with your identity.

>>104402287
according to nijisisters it had nothing to do with hex, it was trolls who spread the tag and hex denounced it. idk who to believe since I don't know anything about him

>>104402075
same. I miss nijinukes

>>104402016
>i've always respected my genmates
They made a literal discord group to conduct meetings without her and called Petra the "4th member of Ethyria" when she joined Zuttomo.

>>104402016
She's talking about this clip

https://streamable.com/32zdvc

>>104402016
I guess this is a new angle.
Maybe if she's finally mellowing out/changing.
I hope that's the case.
There's definitely a difference compared to last year, at least.
It seems like she's gone from aggressively telling people to fuck off and that they're liars to differences of perspectives, which is still a lot better than before.

I just really, really want to believe people can change, man.

>>104402779
A psycho bitch is a psycho bitch

>>104401020
I love butts so much

>>104402863
Yeah, but if they start making real efforts to change themselves and make amends, I think that should be taken into account.
I just hope that's what's happening here.

>>104402016
>please disregard rumors
lol
>it feels really bad to know that some people will just say things and not think about it before they say things
yeah maybe the fried chicken and rap music joke shouldn't have left your lips in the moment, maybe some folks would think a little better of you

>>104397190 (OP)
>Not everybody does it for clout or some evil reason
Bullshit, they were all very obviously dramafarming, it wasn't even subtle

>>104403014
I'm sure some of them genuinely hate Njij

>>104402075
>>104402375
will it be from reimu or rosemi? or an out of left field dark horse like ike?

>>104403289
>Reimu
Most possible. Reimu wants numbers and it's an easy way to farm. Enna especially would hate it due her being a wave mate
>Rosemi
Unlikely, but her doing it would hurt more than Reimu, she has a small but dedicated community and a lot of good will.
>Ike
Total apocalypse. He was a part of luxiem and he easily had the 3rd most deranged fans in Niji behind Vox or Mysta. Ike coming back from the grave to shit on Niji would kill a decent chunk of whatever fujos still watch them and make recovery go from very unlikely it straight up dead even with new waves. Quilldren would straight up start harassing livers.

Did she ever think that it's not just nijien numbers went down but numbers for all old-ish EN vtubers altogether? People are getting tired of the same stuff and start looking for new shiny chuubas in this oversaturated market unless they're super-dedicated to their oshis.

>>104402332
it was 100% trolls and even the original person cutting hex into their arm was just a particularly deranged anti (without diminishing how insane it is to cut yourself for internet points, they were as shallow as cat scratches can go.) i used to hate hex with a particularly fervent passion as an ex-sister but he's just annoying shitty BFE, not an asshole or malicious
>captcha HPHSP fuckkk i want a halal snack pack

>>104397190 (OP)
The opinion of a cuck is not valid.

>>104403808
>Doki out of nowhere
20$ more for the NDF. When you don’t rope them, they eventually crawl back.

>>104403471
>>Ike
>Total apocalypse. He was a part of luxiem and he easily had the 3rd most deranged fans in Niji behind Vox or Mysta. Ike coming back from the grave to shit on Niji would kill a decent chunk of whatever fujos still watch them and make recovery go from very unlikely it straight up dead even with new waves. Quilldren would straight up start harassing livers.
As someone who used to watch Ike because he slid right under my Kinsey 1 limbo bar, I can confirm this.

>>104404437
>because he slid right under my Kinsey 1 limbo bar
what the fuck does that even mean...

>>104403014
I genuinely dislike them and felt betrayed when it turned out the nijisanji "family" brought my oshi to consider suicide.

That said, I've grown numb to them and as long as they leave us alone I don't care anymore what they do.
>>104404114
>not an asshole or malicious
Didn't he do his own black stream against zaion?

>>104404602
Your oshi considered suicide because she's mentally ill, if it wasn't bullshit on the work it would be taco bell getting her order wrong

>>104403808
No, because it's actually because of youtube fuckery. Look at the huge dip in Computer views after August 6th. That coincides with all the streamer viewership dropping.

>>104405021
It's getting close to two years.
Haven't you gotten tired of this?

where's the apology bitch?

>>104404510
I think he's saying Ike turned him gay

>>104397736
She was being ambiguous so that she could "clarify" her words like this if she was accused of saying anything at all. It doesn't matter what conclusion anyone drew from her, she would just revise it later and claim it was a misunderstanding.

The people she intended to threaten understood the threat. The people she intended to mobilize to brigade the victims understood what they were being asked to do. To everyone else it's just a misunderstanding teehee.

>>104405075
The entire industry is a sham. Streamers getting dough from fake views. Companies allowing fake view to prop numbers for head companies/stockholders that have never watched a single second of any content and never will. 401ks propped up by algos pouring money over those companies because number go up.

>>104405075
Because desktops have adblockers and you can leave it on forever. I wonder if they cull desktop users that stay, lets say 5 minutes after the stream/video ends on the page.
There is also a difference when watching a playlist and the "Are you still watching" popup appears. If you click yes the text will change to thank you and start continuing but if you click anywhere else the video continues without the thank you.

>>104402287
>>104402332
He's done more sociopathic things
>Prey on mentally ill sisters by calling himself a counselor/therapist, and later on suggesting them to traumadump through streamlabs so he gets a bigger cut of the donation
>Threw Sayu under the bus when she was terminated by conveniently weaponizing his alleged past trauma
>"Joke" about flushing his friend's goldfish and Grandpa's ashes
>Explicitly support Elira's black stream
There's probably more I don't remember

>>104405563
When he was hired he didn't even know what Nijisanji was, and walked around minecraft vandalizing other people's builds. He would horn his way into Luxiem collabs where he wasn't wanted, clearly trying to get as much money as possible.

>>104405075
Most likely adblockers don't count for views anymore

>>104405563
Don't forget his whole persona and even his voice was a ripoff Corpse. Even his oshimark and fanname were copied from Corpse.

>>104405075
I think it's a combination of youtube changing their algorithm again and their recent ID verification and restricted mode being automatically toggled for some people.

>>104405626
He had chinese subs for his debut video, that's all I ever needed to know about him

She's a pedophile.
Not a lolicon or shots on, a genuine pedophile.

>>104405534
>>104405686
Could definitely be because of people with adblock no longer being counted yeah. But it just helps highlight that it's not a case of "EN vtubing on the decline" - the people are still there and watching (as evident by things like superchats, chatter counts, and Likes being unaffected), their views are just not getting counted anymore.

>>104405344
"Fake views" are more likely to be done by phones, not PCs. Phones consume much less power and take up much less space, so they're the #1 choice of viewfarms.

ITT: fagoons seething about BPDbird getting worse numbers than most of NijiEN now

>>104405913
Because NijiEN is getting botted by viewfarms, hence why their viewership has been completely unaffected

>>104405964
>Th... THEY'RE BOTTED
Typical fagoon cope

>>104405913
She escaped Kurosanji and can pay her bills. That'll always be good enough for me.

>>104405901
farms you can range ip ban. It's the thousands of "honest" fans that open it and leave it on the 2nd monitor.

>>104406089
2nd monitor views wouldn't be counted either, because their browser window wouldn't be focused.

>>104406040
>8hr Elira stream
>Over 3000 "people" watching
>Only 280 people seen in chat over the entire 8hr stream
>Multiple instances of 0-1 chat per minute
No, they're botted

>>104406778 (me)
Forgot to attach pic

>>104400785
I'm still surprised that Ryoma hasn't been fired yet or otherwise bonked for having been put in a match with her.
I mean if they do fire him or "graduate" him instead of letting him leave with an actual graduation, they will cite that bit of random matchmaking as a reason for letting him go, as if he had any way of excluding Doki in particular from being randomly selected by the game's servers beforehand. My surprise is that it has not happened YET.

>>104406608
Can a website check if the browser is focused? they can't even check if the tab is muted. What they can check is if it's minimalized or not the active tab.

The API provides properties and events to determine if a webpage is visible or in focus. The key property is document.hidden (returns true if the tab is not visible, e.g., minimized, another tab is active, or the browser is in the background).

These methods only detect if the tab/window is active, not what specific app or tab the user is focused on outside the browser.

>>104405913
Go back to twitter ry.

>>104398217
enna did nothing wrong you tourist. You are in deep denial of the fact the girls you defend are mentally ill selfish bitches that throw everyone under the buss for personal gain.

>>104405964
Finana didn't get bottled this week (besides hundred line and her sexo 3.0)

>>104404602
>brought my oshi to consider suicide.

first of all if your "oshi" is a bpd menhera then you are also mentally ill. She is a selfish attention whore that suicide baits for pity and to victimize herself when she's in the wrong. That's why she's still alive with no ill effects.

>>104402629
>schizo autist not getting jokes
kys. Youre acting like they were some group of villains, seriously. Autistic people need to lose internet access.

>>104402950
>joke
>autist having a melty over jokes

>>104407235
>>104405136

>>104397190 (OP)
>enna
WHO!?

>>104407235
two years of nijiseethe

>>104401839
>Enna
>Matara
Both are lying bitches it's a given. Anyone believing Enna at this point deserved to be manipulated by her.
On the other hand people are just less aware of Matara because she knew how to shut her mouth when she became the roach. It's almost like everyone forgot why she became a vtuber to begin with when she specifically stated the reason.

>>104407662
These ravings by Enna are occurring at the same time several other girls are leaving the company. It seems to be a *warning* to them of some kind, or an attempt to intercept whatever they might say ahead of the pass.

>>104407662
I saw clips here and there and vaguely remember her being liberal/kinda left. I'd rather that the people who do political content be hardcore well-read Marxists, which ain't for everybody, especially in a streaming context. Most of the people who do it only fire up OBS once in a while because they know it ain't going to pay the bills. Matara's just a nice cool lady who wants to play video games and chill

>>104407418
Yes you are in denial for 2 years and still think poor dookibird did nothing wrong and everyone were meanies to her for no reason since she is such a nice person that is easy to work with.

>>104407662
>manipulated by her.
The only one who got manipulated are delusional fagoons. "Oh no i almost died, my coworkers made me overdose on Ibuprofen, save me!" Enna did literally nothing wrong, other than make some jokes that made autists mad.

>>104407929
that's cool and all but what does that matter in 2025? She's no longer at your branch and thus you don't have to work with/watch her anymore
What exactly is your goal here?

>>104407925
Enna often grinds her stream to a halt to rant about far-left political topics. Pride Month might as well be her version of christmas.

>>104408096
What's your goal? Youre still acting like they're some group of criminals, when the reality is that they are not mentally ill divas like Doki, they're literally just quietly existing and making fun content instead of constantly trying to create controversy, like Doki still does.

See: >>104405021 >>104407662

>>104408031
Enna was almost certainly the one bullying Doki

>>104407662
What the fuck are you even talking about? Matara is notorious for running her mouth about Niji as roach bitch for over a year and a half. Their is assloads of clips of her bitching and bitching and bitching and she said she'd stop bitching after a year of it and then continued so regardless and even bitched after said year with Kuro. After the vshojo situation, she bitched about niji again! She bitches about niji as much as sayu has at this point! At least sayu finally learned to shut the fuck up. Make original content! Not your content is being ex niji and bitch all the time.

Enna is in the top 1% of posters on /vt/ and stirs shit every single day

>>104408172
It's funny to me how those people have memory-holed all the time Enna made fun of the whole vtubing industry itself, including her own fans.

>>104408204
That's exactly the joke. What I'm telling is that the current Matara right now is pretty tamed compared to what she used to be before. So she flies under the radar as "just a bitch bitching" when she's in fact much, much worse.

>>104408159
That's pretty based, actually. Still never watching Nijisanji again, but I always suspected that Enna was salvageable

>>104408172
anon, pretty sure those aren't dragoons and have no connection to Doki.
Dragoons moved on. Doki moved on.
Ennaschizo's gonna ennaschizo.
Everyone I cared about left.
Go have fun and do your own thing. Sure, there's still some residual bitterness, but just hurling accusations and smears isn't gonna resolve anything. The only way to heal is to just let things go, run their course, and fizzle out on their own, like Enna is saying.

>>104397190 (OP)

I hate this weaponized therapy talk that millennial aged adults use. Its so fucking cringe

>>104408307
>Enna made fun of the whole vtubing industry itself, including her own fans

so she was joking, autist-kun? Im sorry youre easily offended and schizo like dokibird

>>104402016
So uhhhhh, why didn't her chat move at all in the entire 5 minute clip? This is from a stream, right?

>>104408204
"Hi raiders! You might find my voice really similar to another streamer who was really popular, but I'm a bug woman now lol"
>OMG STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NIJISANJI REEEEEEEEEEE

>>104408370
Oh right, sorry. It was all just a joke. Please proceed with your thread.
Maybe we can have this discussion later in another thread when she makes another one of those funny jokes that seem to have consequences.

>>104408359
Doki "move on" because she won, she got immensely rewarded by being loud drama queen. Nobody was gonna give a shit about her if she didnt convince her she's a victim and that someone else is to blame for her mental illness.

>>104408386
It's from a membership stream where she's showing the assets for her upcoming cover, which is why it's censored in the middle.
She's been working on this cover over a year, and many of the people featured are no longer in the company. She said that in some cases, she can keep them in, and in other cases, she has to cut them out, but isn't allowed to tell us the difference between the two cases.

All this reminiscing about graduated livers, she suddenly started ranting about Matara and her claims of being excluded.

>>104408422
>jokes that seem to have consequences.
what consequences? from schizos that dont even watch her?

>>104408448
If it was from a stream, wouldn't people be talking in chat during this 5 minute speech? I would have expected, like, at least 1 heart emoji message during the speech, but instead it was completely static.

>>104408431
So... what, are you going to somehow "expose" her by calling people names on an anonymous message board?
What would that even do? Let's say you expose her as insane. Will that bring the fans back or something? What about the others who left citing similar issues to her? (often in much greater detail)

It seems to me that the best thing you could do now is prove to the scene that she was lying by not behaving in ways that supported her arguments.
Support the livers. Show up for events. Buy merch. Spread clips of them doing good things or supporting the company or something.
Any of that would have far better effectiveness at repairing their reputation than just taking down a menhera that got away, don't you think?.

>>104408705
that would involve going outside and getting a job, anon. deffo asking too much of a nijisanji fan

enna is a trans prozd

>>104409065
The similarities are uncanny lmao

>>104408705
Sister, this is Wendy's. We are yelling at eachother because we have fundamental disagreements on truth, what are you going on about?
And no, what you suggest has no effect on "repairing reputation", clearly, because the more people repeat the false narrative the more people believe it, that's why it needs to be denied.

>>104409065
An asian fattass? I think someone else fits him better

>>104409291
>And no, what you suggest has no effect on "repairing reputation", clearly, because the more people repeat the false narrative the more people believe it, that's why it needs to be denied.
How? If the entire argument is that X lied, wouldn't you have an easier time proving that they lied by proving it's not true rather than attacking their character?
If you show people the truth, then they won't believe the lie anymore, right?

>>104409818
>If you show people the truth, then they won't believe the lie anymore, right?

Wrong. That doesnt even make sense. It's like saying flat earthers will believe earth is round if you show them that it is, but that's not the case.

When are you gonna show us "the truth" anon?

>>104409906
Anon, I think you've lost the plot here.
I'm just saying to stop randomly attacking people and repeating smears for years when that energy would work better spent actually supporting the oshi.

>>104409946
>oshi
cringe. You know you can enjoy something and support people without making it your identity? I dont build a shrine for Enna, i'm not delusional, maybe you are.

The truth is that Niji girls have suffered a lot of consequences because of Niji antis and they still do, including Enna. And people still do spread false narratives and lies about them.

Easy for you to say "just ignore it and go be a fanboy", that is not going to change anything.

>>104410123
Eh, I tried.
Nijiseethe.

>>104410153
And there it is, youre just trying to silence people who push back against your lies. How about you go fuck off and support your mentally ill oshi.

>>104410193
Yeah you'd like that wouldn't you nijinig?

>>104410123
It's not false if it is the truth

>>104410213
Yeah you should fuck off, why are you here posting pretending to be well-behaved when in fact youre the problem?

>>104410193
Your oshi is a corpo. Building a shrine to Enna would be more sane than seething about someone who hasn't even worked thete for nearly 2 years.

>>104410250
Your oshi is someone who succeeded only by being an ex-corpo and perpetual dramaqueen, and the way you support her is to keep shitting on nijisanji for 2 years.

>>104410235
Because the sins of the nijiniggers have yet to be washed away

>>104410193
I mean, I am.
That's kind of the point. We just don't care anymore about Nijisanji and rarely if ever mention them. I pretty much burnt out my anger against them months ago and now it's just kinda numb. If you wanna be chill, I'll be chill. If you wanna be annoying, I don't mind digging up my old niji folder and proving you wrong.
It's been nearly 2 years of seething instead of actively improving their company and fan culture and at this point I think you just get high off of attacking people.

>>104410282
Yes
Nijiseethe about it

>>104410282
>Yes, my oshi is a company that's privately held by a trust-fund baby, not the talents who actually entertain people
You're not as obnoxious as a Hololive unicorn, but you are more pitiful.

>>104410359
nijiniggers' brown-stained souls will never be washed clean

>>104407163
Fauna was not in NjiEN.

>>104410359
>>104410408

What about that "that energy would work better spent actually supporting the oshi." ??? That doesnt apply to you.

What about "show people the truth, then they won't believe the lie anymore" schizonig?

Your imagined "sins" are not real, they are product of mentally ill fans of mentally ill vtuber.

>2 years of seething instead of actively improving their company and fan culture

Let's not pretend like it wasn't the niji antis that were the cancer, harassing the livers and their fans and still do, even your commentary doesnt acknowledge any responsibility on your side at all. And when your false narratives are pushed back suddenly it's annoying to you? You participated in making remaining Niji girls miserable, and now you want peace? fuck off

>>104409065
head like a fucken potato

>>104410609
>What about that "that energy would work better spent actually supporting the oshi." ??? That doesnt apply to you.
How? Dragoons have spent this whole time coming up with fun events and creative things for our oshi, or participating in the ones she makes. Hell, we recently just finished a game jam with over 240 dokibird related games.
>What about "show people the truth, then they won't believe the lie anymore" schizonig?
We have. We've shown that Doki is a kind individual who can get a bit bratty or dumb, but overall just wants to vibe and support her friends. She's been spreading that this whole time when she interacts with new communities.
>Your imagined "sins" are not real, they are product of mentally ill fans of mentally ill vtuber.
Eh. It's kind of hard to wipe away the black stream and the termination notice.

>Let's not pretend like it wasn't the niji antis that were the cancer, harassing the livers and their fans and still do, even your commentary doesnt acknowledge any responsibility on your side at all. And when your false narratives are pushed back suddenly it's annoying to you? You participated in making remaining Niji girls miserable, and now you want peace? fuck off
but anon... Can't you see the hypocrisy here? If anything, Doki's acknowledged her own mental issues multiple times and has had therapy, medication, a new support network, etc. to get into a better place mentally. Hell, she even did a little stream early on talking about the benefits of joining a corpo, even throwing out possible excuses for Elira's excessive favoritism. She's stamped out any attempts at aggressively attacking the other talents in her name, and has steered clear of them as best she could. Every wound on Nijisanji since that day has been self inflicted.

If anything, you should be feeling empathy since your entire paragraph describes what nijisanji and its fanbase did to Zaion and tried to do to Selen.
Only they didn't even want peace.

>>104410609
Someone has to hold the nijiniggers accountable for their sins

>>104410609
Same energy

can millie's soul be saved?

>>104410939
who?

>>104410862
>black stream
black stream was cringe and tactical mistake, doesnt change the the fact that the substance of that stream is the truth, and it came in response to Doki's sperging out and spreading rumors about many livers that still persist, even though that's all they are.

>Doki's acknowledged her own mental issues multiple times and has had therapy, medication, a new support network, etc.

Then why are people still acting like she was bullied and that other livers made her suicidal? Youre still pushing false narratives.

>nijisanji and its fanbase did to Zaion

What does that have to do with Niji fanbase? That's just twitter freaks. But yes she had it much worse than Doki ever did.

>>104411112
And they shall be punished for it

>>104411112
>and it came in response to Doki's sperging out and spreading rumors about many livers that still persist
that's the thing. She never did. All the rumors came out because of both the termination notice itself and the subsequent black stream. If you can find any notices from her beyond "yes what they said was true" and "I really hope they didn't mishandle my documents considering they were commenting on things they shouldn't know," please let me know.

>Then why are people still acting like she was bullied and that other livers made her suicidal? Youre still pushing false narratives.
Probably because they didn't read the termination notice itself and lack context. Even in the termination notice it states how her issues with the others was management's fault. They only shone the spotlight on themselves with the black stream and ended up implicating people.
>What does that have to do with Niji fanbase? That's just twitter freaks. But yes she had it much worse than Doki ever did.
I wish, man. I somewhat keep tabs on her and it seems even now she has people watching her like a hawk so they can use anything they can to knock her down further. It seems like she's the go-to option for them to punch down on.
She's doing better and has slowly been recovering, but it's clear there's real, permanent damage to her psyche, reputation, and overall online presence. I want to say that it's eased up a bit at least, but the harassment is definitely still an issue.
I honestly don't know if that's been the case for anyone in Nijisanji since Selen's termination, but if so, I feel bad for them too. I seriously just wish none of this ever happened and that the facade of everyone being friends was real.

>>104411207
>>104405136

>>104410123
>cringe. You know you can enjoy something and support people without making it your identity?
You shouldn't invalidate your opinion by admitting that you're a godless tourist with your very first sentence

>>104411342
The opposite. I watch many vtubers. "Oshi" on other hand implies youre a stan for a single vtuber, a fanatic and a zealot. In fact i watch hololive more.

>>104411525
>In fact i watch hololive more
Sure you do, nijinigger. Sure you do.

>>104411328
No

>>104411306
>She never did.
She literally said she did. The termination notice specified that Doki told Niji that they should be legally liable for being "harassed by other livers" (according to her). This was twisted into "niji said she was bullied" - no they fucking didn't.

Since the beginning they just said what her claims and accusations were, and Selen just admitted "yes i made those accusations and it was bullying".

>>104411912
>Bullying from within
Can easily refer to management.
Everything else past that is things Nijisanji divulged, not anything she divulged. Nijisanji just chose to make it public thinking it would benefit them - it did not, and in fact made them look worse.

>>104411964
Enna is a bully though. She's been bullying people since elementary school. Her audience are all cucks since she bullies them so much.

Here, they're talking about Selen btw
https://streamable.com/j1sjns

>>104412057
That's not bullying. She's joking, she's joking about Selen being a diva that keeps causing drama. How is that bullying? How is Selen the victim there when its about Selen causing problems for others, which she did while at Niji and especially after leaving Niji.
You can't even acknowledge the truth there.

>>104412136
Bullying a suicidal person.
Btw enna pretended to be suicidal for views, meanwhile she's ganging up on harassing an actually-suicidal girl

>>104412144
First of all its not their responsibility to be her psycho therapist, they dont know and dont need to know how suicidal she is.

And let me give you a life lesson for a simpbrain. When it comes to suicidal girls like that, the victim is always the people that she affects, not herself. She is just suicide baiting for attention and make herself a victim because she really isnt one without it.

>>104412136
In my opinion it is not a form of harassment

>>104412180
>She is just suicide baiting for attention
the hospital confirmed visible marks on her body from an attempt

>>104412445
its 100% suicide baiting, more than once, no permanent damage, in presence of parents, bpd. And you know doing suicide doesnt mean youre in the right lol.

There was no evidence, she should do a handstream and show the "marks" kek.

>>104402075
It's a post-apocalyptic wasteland already, every talent worth a shit left. There's literally nothing left.

>>104412679
Enna claimed to be suicidal while flirting with multiple dudes, going out with friends every week, and being the center of attention of NijiEN.
Selen was sheltered, isolated, alone, and withdrawn. She never went out to see people, her content was clearly suffering. She never openly claimed to be suicidal either.

Which one do you think was actually depressed, and which one was farming clout?
Selen? Or the girl surrounded by giggling sycophants as she mocks Selen?

>>104401668
>No matter how valid your experiences are, if you're planting seeds, and making other people suffer, or feel bad from what you're saying, you're literally doing the same thing that happened to you
>you're literally doing the same thing that happened to you
So is she just straight up admitting they shat on anyone who didn't submit completely to Elira and the clique?

>>104412743
>Enna claimed to be suicidal
That's completely different and not baiting anything and not causing any drama or blaming anyone. Pay attention little bro.

Selen openly claimed she has bpd (as Doki), and her feelings of isolation stemmed from her mental illness, same for her persecution complex. Harmless concern for her issues, advice or criticism were interpreted as harassment and bullying by her.

>Which one do you think was actually depressed, and which one was farming clout?

Selen was actually farming clout and being loud and trying to get pity and being a victim, and it worked. It worked too well in fact.
But yes she was depressed, but that doesnt mean everyone else is responsible for it. That's not how it works, ever. Her mental issues are not everyone else's problem. Why is she special and only her mental state needs to be considered?
Why does she need to be babied by everyone? When is her turn to consider how others feel, no she never cared because she was always a diva.

>>104412905
Selen was actually depressed....for real. Like not a joke.

Enna was using her "depression" as an excuse to abuse other people. She loves mocking, shitting on, and humiliating people, and her excuse for doing this is "I'm so depressed". But that was always fake, she just wanted the excuse to be a piece of shit. She's been using that her whole life to justify abusing people around her.

>>104412957
Lmao, you are just casually dismissing everyone else's emotions, what gives you the right to invalidate everyone else's experience? Just because Enna is not loud and obnoxious about it and isnt causing drama and offing herself every day and complain about everyone, doesnt mean her feelings are not valid.
She just didnt want to make a big deal out of it.

Which is much more respectable than making a big deal out of it and making it everyone else's problem to deal with.

>Enna was using her "depression" as an excuse to abuse other people.

Selen was using her "depression" as an excuse to demand more and expect special treatment and break rules. She blamed everyone else, Enna did not. Somehow in your mind Selen is more justified because she "was depressed fr fr".

>. She loves mocking, shitting on, and humiliating people,

holy shit youre autistic. You simply dont understand humor, she is cute and funny and ironic alll the time. Autists like you seem to only understand laughing for no reason all the time. Enna is actually really kind and mature when she is serious, not throwing autist babyrage like some.

>>104413065
>Just because Enna is not loud and obnoxious about it and isnt causing drama
Are you kidding? She caused a ton of drama. She shits on her fans every day.
>She just didnt want to make a big deal out of it.
Then how come he repeats "I'm depressed" every day alongside the stories of hanging out with her many-many friends? Seems like the depression thing is pretty fake. A lot of things about her are fake.
>Selen was using her "depression" as an excuse to demand more
She was singlehandedly carrying the branch by funding all the events out of her own paycheck. Even then she wasn't demanding more, only fair and equal treatment.
>You simply dont understand humor
Is it "humor" to pick out loyal superchatters and dress them down for being incels? That's highly abusive. Is it "humor" to call her stepmother a devil who should never have married her dad, and insult her to her face in English because she doesn't understand it?
At a certain point it's not "humor" it's just being a abusive bitch. She laughs like a villain as she does evil things.
> Enna is actually really kind and mature
How come the other day on stream she told a story intended to humiliate her aunt, about how she viciously screamed at her aunt for being stupid? What was that all about?
She often uses her stream as a platform to humiliate people when they can't argue back. It was so bad her dad had to intervene and tell her to stop trashing his family in front of thousands.

>>104397190 (OP)
Extremely female comment

>>104413163
>Are you kidding? She caused a ton of drama. She shits on her fans every day.

Youre just autistic and dont understand it. Why misrepresent her if you are not her audience? Her fans are not complaining because they understand her humor. Youre completely misrepresenting her.

>Even then she wasn't demanding more, only fair and equal treatment

No she wanted to ignore rules and threw fits when things couldnt go her way. If she was satisfied with what other talents got, then there wouldnt have been any issue or drama in the first place.

>Is it "humor" to pick out loyal superchatters and dress them down for being incels?

Tell me youre just a clipnigger without telling me. Hell you probably just look at thumbnails.

> It was so bad her dad had to intervene and tell her to stop trashing his family in front of thousands

Enna has good relationship with her parents, unlike Selen. That should tell your autist brain something.

>>104401020
analoutte

>>104413065
Don't you know this is Ennaschizo you're replying too?

>>104406778
>Muh chat numbers
Classic cope. Along with the cope graphs that Doki also has. Her birthday stream was a complete flop even though she included an outfit reveal

>>104402016
...is that a citation? With zero Reimu mentions as part of Ethyria, 4-person group? interesting...
>>104403471
Can confirm, quildren turned on each other a few times in the past at the drop of a hat, they would just dedicate months of their time into harassing everyone involved. t. semi-frequent Ike fan, I liked watching him nerd out about sonic and nier
>>104405021
Hi enna

>>104406778
Who is this even for, investors? Elira was a 3view even before the black stream fiasco, jrpgs don't leave many people as active viewers for long. I would know, I watched a lot of her nerding out in XC3 for hours, and it was always less than a thousand people watching outaide of the very first one

>>104400181
And half of those people got paid to do that.
And yes even outside of Nijisanji ex corpos will milk the shut out of their experience by only mentioning the bad things fir views. We know that.

>>104397190 (OP)
Lmao I'd say management bonked her and that's why she responded to this comment, but it's clear these retards aren't being managed in the first place. If they were they'd have taught her to shut her fucking mouth, ignore the negativity, and stop spinning the rumor mill every time she gets bored.

>>104414063
yeah its always her fault, not the people who are the ones actually starting rumours that demonstrably hurt her.

>>104408535
chat plugin probably broke, happens a lot

enna please stop samefagging this thread and get busy figuring out what you're gonna do when your black corpo finally cuts your failed branch off

Holy shit, a live nijisister in the thread, don't spook her!
Oh well, it's probably one of the talents at this point anyway. Probably not Reimu though.

>>104413445
Are NijiEN streamers so boring that people don't even want to chat with them?

>>104413568
This is to show that NijiEN is botted.
Lets compare to a JRPG stream she did before the black screen stream.
Here's P4G Part 14 (finale wasn't until Part 16, so no finale buff here)
7 hour stream, roughly 2000 peak ccv, but 1300 people seen in chat (this is normal)
Again, compare that to the stream I posted before
8 hour stream, over 3000 peak ccv, but only 280 people seen in chat (this is not normal)

>>104414511
Man. Good times. I was tempted to go watch her reaction to the P3R ending at some point...
Also, goddamn, I'm surprised how much audience overlap she had with Pomu/Selen, as her usual jrpg crowd was cut down in like half or even more. And those are usually the most devoted ones, too.
...is the black stream still her most viewed video? that's hilarious

>sister repeating the same shit over and over
>turns thread into seething about doki almost two years later
sad

>>104414569
a lot of her long time members dropped her during the black stream and moved to membering doki instead

>>104397190 (OP)
>Niji EN is pure cancer since their gen 4 (Enna, Millie, Nina, Reimu)
>A ton of yabs between fans and the talents, between talents themselves, talents and management, merch drama, etc. happens
Enna:
>Heyz YALLZ, YALLZ IZ ALL HATERZ MANE. DEY BE TRYING TO SET US UP MANE! DONT BE LIKE DAT YALL!

>>104414644
I watched that live, too, yeah. Historical shit right there.

Enna, you can't continue being this shortsighted by seething about a former Niji talent to this degree. Before you know it, you'll be out of the job. Instead, try to be half as smart as Elira is, who is currently worming her way to the top. That way, when Nijisanji cuts off the EN branch, she'll still be in the company as a manager for oversees relations. Why you'll end up being a bitter 2-view at this rate.

>>104412136
>selen causing problems for others
2 years and you still lack awareness. That's almost impressive

>>104414119
It is, in fact, entirely her fault for lumping those people together with those who had, in her words, valid criticisms about the company she works for, yes. Again, if she had any kind of management that gave two shits about her well being at all, they'd have taught her not to even bring it up in the first place, but in the event she did, to at least not bring it up so carelessly.

>>104415214
You shit on niji for not giving "talent freedom" to selen etc and now you criticize them for giving enna too much freedom in what she is talking about? stick to one narrative buddy

>>104407352
>Autistic people need to lose internet access.
that's how you kill vtubing

>>104415247
It's not talent freedom, retard, it's PR training.

>>104414894
If they could they wouldn't be nijisisters

>>104414439
>Same thing applies to Doki
>Less comments happening during a big collab

Numbermonkeys are seething so hard they resorted to numberfagging the chat

>>104397190 (OP)
Dunno if people have had experience dealing with toxic individuals and bullies after grade school but I have and...
...that's exactly the kind of communication they do.
I'll now believe any rrat about any black stream.

>>104415247
>You shit on niji for not giving "talent freedom" to selen
Nobody ever said that.
We shat on Niji for ignoring her HR claims, maliciously depriving her of resources, and barring her from hiring an assistant (yet it was ok for luca apparently?).
Not to mention their complete inability to get anything done on anybody's schedule.
Oh and the whole emotional abuse stuff. That's pretty bad too.

Wow I've never seen live Nijiseething like this since nyfco

>>104404602
Lol lmao even

>>104407385
just like the Nijiautists having a melty about rosemi enjoying a nice meal at McDonalds

Can somebody post the Enna is a whore jackbox stills please, this thread is going nowhere fast.

>>104412057
just noticed, Nina didn’t laugh like those 3 stooges

>>104405344
But enough about hololive

Why are fagoons deflecting so much today

>>104415663
Let's take a look at a solo stream then.
Here's a 6 hour long Elira solo stream, with over 4000 "people" watching, but only 290 people show up in chat the entire 6 hours.

>>104415827
>she was one the first to get a 3.0, even before Elira
>she had way more outfits than Elira and Luxiem combined
>she whined enough so she could getter old manager who was supposed to manage xsoleil, instead they got a newbie and people what on anycolor for that
>they always let her do these big events, the only time it didn’t happen was when she pre-emptively announced the fall guys tournament when they didn’t had the rights yet, then she went menhera saying she would stop doing events (she didn’t) and people blame anycolor for it
>that wasn’t the only time she fucked up and blamed someone else without owning up to it, yet she never got suspended unlike others who got for less
>she clearly ignored when the manager asked her to old back on releasing her cover and yet she did so anyway, threw a tantrum, lied about not knowing why and told people to pirate it instead of saying she would check what was going on

Amongst other fuck ups from her. But suuuure she’s a saint

>>104422143
What, you expect to everyone talk in chat?

>>104422298
Not everyone, but I would certainly expect more than 290 people to have said anything in chat over the course of 6 hours.
Here's an actual unbotted Elira stream with views-to-chat ratio that actually makes sense
>~2.5hr stream, ~800 peak ccv, 319 people seen in chat

>>104417255
There was no melty. Rosemi was asked nicely to take down the McDonald's ad, and she did. That's all that happened. Only chuds pretend otherwise.

Fagoons are really mad at the Minecraft announcement. They’re trying too hard to deflect

>>104411112
>Then why are people still acting like she was bullied and that other livers made her suicidal?
If somebody has a bum leg and you straight up throw them down a flight of stairs, it literally didn't happen that way and they're just being dramatic about it. Good to know

>>104422256
>But suuuure she’s a saint
No one is saying she’s a saint or a martyr, retarded sis.
tournament prize came out of her own pocket. also afaik outfits are paid out of the livers pockets too. she’s also retarded at handling her own money, that’s why she always blows it on her model and tourney. idk about 3.0 model but she's the most subbed girl back then. Her own shit doesn't really matter because it's a fact that Luxiem are always biasedly favored and manager Elira on the other hand, keeps getting all the sponsorshit deals before the drama >>69009739

>the year of our good lord 2025
>caring about NijiEN
>caring about a vile human being like Enna
What they deserve the most is to be ignored and to fade into obscurity

What allegations? Citing her exact words in a stream isn't an "allegation" you dishonest nijinigger.

>>104423049
Pretty sure brush ups are lottery-based, it's why Vivi got hers like a week before announcing her graduation

>>104423310
Heck, Finana literally got 2 "3.0"s

>>104423049
>anyone who doesn’t like doki is a sis
Rent free, I can tell you my top 3 disliked cunts are mouse doki and kson

>>104423563
>doki
>vshojo
>china's #1 most wanted
Boy, isn't that a surprise, sis?

>>104423049
>suuuure
You typed all this shit and you’re not a woman?

>>104423691
>>104423563
*meant to this

>>104407925
No such thing as a well read female marxist in vtubing. All you get are retards like clara calling for assassinatng people who literally just want to debate differing ideas respectfully.

>>104397291
Mori?

>>104422637
You must have missed all the "NOOOOO YOUR SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE" and "Please educate yourself" replies she got, not that I expect a sister to be able to read coherently.

>>104428262
No anon-kun you don't understand. If you don't see screeching psychos dementedly demanding an anime woman take down a harmless McDonald's shitpost as a simple nice request, you're deliberately pretending. Don't believe your lying eyes.

>>104397190 (OP)
Notice how she doesn't respond to the allegation that's she's been impregnated by me, because she knows it's an undeniable fact