Thread 104443390

Why do people believe in Anykara more than Cover? Cover just celebrated its 8th anniversary with a big showing. You'd think that should have inspired confidence in the company.

>>104443390 (OP)
Dispite making roughly the same amount of money with 3x less talents, Cover doesn't pay out to investors nearly as much as anycolor. Cover pays talents far more rather than the investor leeches, which of course doesn't make them want to invest.

>people
Investors aren’t people.

>>104443390 (OP)
Riku will kneel down and gives investors blowjobs if it means keeping them happy
Yagoo tells them to fuck off if they star acting like greedy bitches

Niji has better payouts

>>104443390 (OP)
It's not a matter of confidence. It's the fact that not only you have little influence over things as a Cover's investors but there also isn't many way for investors to make certain profits off Cover or Hololive's success

>>104443636
It is about confidence.
No longer having the confidence in world expansion, retaining their talents, Holoearth, etc. What set them apart from Anycolor.

>>104443718
Pfft

>>104443435
>>104443491
>>104443539

Investors are a type of herd animal, easily led around and often spooked by the littlest of things. You basically need to treat them as livestock or they'll just graze on your company uncontrolled until there's nothing left.

>>104443390 (OP)
Anycolor prioritizes profits.
Cover prioritizes the product.

>>104443390 (OP)
Anycolor guarantees dividends so investors will most likely not lose money by buying their stocks. As long as they can keep the dividend promise, money will keep flowing in

This is why Cover stocks is called "fan stocks". The only people that actually buy this are fans who love Hololive and only put money in like another superchat. Every finance bros you ask will always choose Anycolor or Cover because they value the ones who can help THEM make money, and at this point in time Cover's 8 billion yen profit this year is not enticing enough to pull them in

>>104443390 (OP)
Anycolor could have easily spent at least 5 billion yen to restructure NijiEN and tried to captivate the Western market once more, but clearly the financial reports spooked Riku and as such he saved the profit for investors and let NijiEN bleed (proof is that NijiEN was barely promoted in Q1 when BtB debuted). Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Anycolor announces NijiEN closure by the end of this year and investors still continue to support them because their main money makers now are JP male livers. They have found their own Holo's golden formula and they will abuse it until the end of time

Anycolor is basically "too big to fail" at this point unless a mega nuclear yab happens like Kuzuha rapes his fellow co-workers and Anycolor protects him or any yabs that causes fans to quit and boycott, which affects profit. Though knowing sisters who would go attack ex-livers PLs, they would rather sell their souls to Riku than giving up their oshis

>>104444087
If by the product you mean holo earth lol

>>104444263
more like EN is a fucking tiny market that no one can capitalize on because america's music copyright is fucking awful and worse than nintendo's legal shit

>>104444263
All the money in the world wouldn't save Niji EN the brand is completely tainted, it would just be setting money on fire for no reason

>>104443390 (OP)
Cover spends money to sustain and develop VTubing industry. Anycolor use this success to make banks and convinces normie investors that this industry can make as much money as gaming ones or even tech ones if HoloEarth somehow succeeds

>>104444263
>Anycolor could have easily spent at least 5 billion yen to restructure NijiEN
Wow anon they should totally hire you
No seriously what the fuck

>>104444263
They don't need to spend any more than they already do, just keep hiring males until the fujos get bored.

>>104443390 (OP)
>try to sell investors on your weird metaverse game you spent millions on
>it completly bombs
>investors fuck off
What were they thinking?

>>104443491
That's not how it works. Funny that you're making up cope though.

>>104445211
Nijiseethe

>>104445052
>Investors fucking off is a bad thing
Nah good riddance. Less investors, less of their influence on the operation. I have seen them entering a company and leaving behind a collapsed one to leech on another one. Yagoo and the rest only cared about investors just enough to not break the Japan public listed company laws. And the beauty about Growth market is that most of actual investor vultures will not give a shit about the companies listed in this category so Cover sorta has more "freedom" in how they spend their money without the need of dividends, unlike Anycolor in Prime market where dividends define a company's value

>>104443390 (OP)
For investors, it's safer and better if a company is making a profit with minimal investment.
Livers have no base salary, or only 2%, or low-quality but expensive live tickets, etc...

>>104443390 (OP)
Retail investors are not necessarily vtuber experts, they are by volume probably ojisans looking to invest in something trendy in the tech sector, of which cover markets itself as being instead of more of a media company. They scrutinize earnings etc and also weigh things like sponsorships and so on.

>>104443390 (OP)
Brosky believes in modern capitalism.

>>104445995
Yeah I'm sure Yagoo loves not having enough investor money to burn on making shitty games and supporting his 2view drinking buddies.

>>104443390 (OP)
anycolor and cover stumbled upon a working formula during covid that made them big. anycolor decided to stick with what worked and have done so ever since.

meanwhile yagoo is still obsessed with making cover a virtual idol business first and foremost with a side of metaverse slop that is holoearth. thats to the detriment of fans who prefer their oshi to stream more and investors who still haven’t seen yagoo’s obsession pay off yet, don’t know when it would pay off and if it was worth neglecting the streamer focused model that got them to where they were in the first place.

fans, holomems and investors who are no longer interested in sticking around as fodder to yagoo’s obsession will move on

>>104443390 (OP)
I would've bought cover if they weren't wasting their money on holoearth

anycolor on the otherhand is just rubbish. I'd never buy it.

>>104443390 (OP)
Only one is willing to do anything for profit and it's not Cover.
Investors simply LOVE black companies.

>>104446440
>thats to the detriment of fans who prefer their oshi to stream more
Nice try nimicucks. I will still not watch your indievengers

>>104446731
Holoseethe
Go back to giving money to your oshi, oh wait that money just gets used to prop up the useless men in Holostars.

>>104446440
>streamslop
Nobody cares lol
Watch your whores

>>104446731
jp only so dont give a fuck about en

>>104443718
Holo earth is like the ultimate investor bait tho

>>104447183
Really shitty bait though and even the most retarded of investors have figured out that cover is completely incapable of making something like that

>phasecucks seething about Kino Earth again
lol
lmao

>>104446440
>thats to the detriment of fans who prefer their oshi to stream more
How? There's no evidence that even remotely suggests Holoearth development is impacting the girl's streams in any way. From everything I've seen it seems like the Hololive R&D branch is its own ecosystem completely unrelated to the live stream side of things.

>>104443390 (OP)
Because investors are clinically retarded
When they see a company have an abnormally good quarter, instead of assuming it will return to the mean, they believe that number will go up more and more each quarter exponentially and shit their pants when it doesn't

>>104443390 (OP)
Anycolor pays back to their investors 60% of the profit. It’s completaly unhealthy and meant to artifically grow the stocks, while investards will pressure others to do the same despite being retarded.
You are also a Nijisis desperately trying to justify your mental disease with stocks, so you will ignore this and not rope like the faggot you are.

>>104447797
That’s the sane market analysis. Now take an investard whowill just go “but it would be money to me” and you will see how these retarded ideas of “to the moon” exist. Modern ecomomy is a veritable mess catering to people who have no idea what a business needs.

>>104446440
Working formula being taking all the money and giving it back to the investors. It’s clear you are worshipping the company so fuck off /vt/.

>>104447970
Idolize talents like Vshojo, enjoy the implosion.

>>104445995
>I have seen them entering a company and leaving behind a collapsed one to leech on another one
Unironically this. Anything that prioritizes maximizing profits for investors is ultimately going to become a hellscape for the people working under it. It happened with VOIZ, it happened with IN, it happened with ID, KR, NetWORK, and then most recently EN. The only reason JP continues to find success is because it can run on the bare minimum support network that Anycolor offers all its branches.

>>104448052
>the only reason JP works is because it works
brilliant analysis holokek

>>104443435
does it really matter whether "people" aka investors believe in Cover?
the customers(viewers) are what really matter
customers keep the company profitable and everyone happy
investor pay you once then start pushing their shit on everyone

>>104448827
(me) also in Anycolor's case, they drain company resources(dividends)

>>104443390 (OP)
They don't. AC pays dividends to investors and cover doesn't.

>>104447970
financial illiteracy, emotional outburst rounded off by a reeeeee my echochamber kek

>>104443390 (OP)
Cover keeps going double or nothing before payouts, such as trying a round 2 with Dodgers WITHOUT Gura, the literal sole reason it did good the first time round
AnyKuro pays out before their projects

>>104448827
If you take a more holistic view of a company and what makes it successful over the long term you are correct. But investors are the people buying and trading stocks, and they are largely incapable of thinking more than 3 months ahead to the next quarterly earnings report.

>>104448473
uh oh melty

>>104443390 (OP)
Lose Gura = AnyColor wins instantly.
I guess we are back with AnyColor winning the vtubing mindshare.

>>104446440
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Most Hololive fans today were not even around during the era you think they need to go back to, and if they were, they see it as great how much more successful their oshi has grown to be since.

>>104449103
real hit was losing entire US merch market they were dominant in

>still cant break gura graduation resistance line
yep, another 500million yen to holoearth

>>104449103
true, but cover asslicker wont even acknowledge that though

>>104443390 (OP)
>8 MONTHS AGO
>ANYCOLOR 2,200 / COVER 2,201
HOLOFAGS : GET FUCKED KUROSANJI, YAGOO IS WINNING!
>TODAY
ULTRA MOGGED
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>104449652
I remembered how they were celebrating on 4chan twitter and r/kurosanji (#holoreddit2). But now stocks don't matter kek

>>104443390 (OP)
>Cover keeps reinvesting profits into the company
>Riku owns 40% of the stock
>Riku keeps using profits to buyback stock and pay dividends to mostly himself
>Stock price doesn't matter for cover because they haven't raised money or issued new stock since the IPO they're entirely self sufficient on cardgame sales alone
Here's the breakdown for people arguing in good faith. TLDR Riku is just gutting anycolor to enrich himself.

>>104444087
The product:
>graduation rush
>1 in 69 gacha
>icecream cones

>>104449815
Holofag worshipping yagoo again

stocks don't matter
Niji's international expansion was shut down so we made fun of you
now we suffer the same
but in your case it's especially funny because it was a self-inflicted wound

>>104449815
I mean this is a huge Cope when Cover themselves say they are trying to enter Prime market.
So it means they value their stock price.
Reinvesting profits to HoloEarth is dead money since nobody believe even die hard fans on that shit.

I'm an investor as a means of ensuring I have enough money to retire on. I'm invested in about 20 companies and know very little about all of them.
I also only check them about once a month to make sure things are in line with the market. The day to day operations don't come into play.
Expecting investors to dig deep may be asking a little much. Any color is just a big company and is not likely to dissolve.

>>104449955
Show me your portfolio of niji stock
I'm pretty sure you have 0. As soon as Riku moves to sell his stocks that stock price is crashing hard, which will be happening in the next 5 years because that fags goal is only enriching himself no matter what.

>>104449197
>Orange Man was a Nijisis all along.
Sugoi

Holofags huffing that cope like its going out of style.
Anycolor utterly crushing cover in every metric, love to see it, pure karma over the Selen shit if we're being honest.

>>104443435
Holoseethe

>>104443390 (OP)
Because Nijisanji is more popular and successful than Hololive in Japan. That’s all that matters.

Niji is simply better no matter how much the holodrones cope about it

How the fuck is Cover's revenue bigger with half the talents

What the fuck are you niggas doing over there

>>104443435
This is just cope because fans could easily just invest in Cover

>>104443491
>Are talents going to make shareholders only shows ?
>We'll think about it in the future
>The future
They actually thought about it

>>104452292
that doesn't matter, the only thing that matter is anycolor has bigger stock number than cover.

>>104445211
>that's not how it works
>Yagoo told the greedy investors they will not be lowering the talent's pay so they can earn more money
>Not too long ago told the investors there will not be any stock growth because he will be investing heavily on the talents and to fuck off if they don't like it
why lie?

>>104446383
Here's where you're retarded, yagoo needed the money to keep the company afloat in the past, now they don't, if investors sold their shit and fucked off, it would be the greatest thing ever
>If they fuck off the company could go bankrupt!!
Before? maybe and is a HUGE maybe andalso mean 3 months after the investors first came in, but now? yeah right, you would need a selen shock in the JP side featuring either pekora, suisei, marine or miko to make a huge dent on their profitability. Stocks have always been meme money, case in point is orange man making old rich people seeth

>>104447892
Holoseethe

>>104449652
>>104449781
It’s always like this when AC has bigger stocks. You’ll see when it’s the reverse they’ll make a huge deal about stocks again.

>>104449652
they're probably the same anons tbhdesu

>>104449815
>Cover keeps reinvesting profits into more nepohires and HoloEarth
FTFY
Seriousy why does half the company work on that abortion of a game?

>>104443390 (OP)
Why do you idiots keep talking about content as if investors should give a shit about it?

Daytraders are stupid soulless chuds and trying to figure out why they do anything is a waste of time, they're all on the re-education camp list at best

>>104443390 (OP)
Anykara is investor focused.

Cover is talent focused.

It really is that simple. Cover treats their investors like subhuman troglodytes... which all investors are. Ankara moves heaven and earth to increase the ROI of their stock encouraging more buying.

Stocks are fake and gay so don't think about it too much the market is irrational.

>>104453380
>Cover is talent focused.
lol
lmao

>>104453406
>nijiseethe

You just know some seething nijinigger will bring up traitors like Mel or Chloe soon to attack Cover. Actual subhuman behavior.

>>104453380
>Anykara is investor focused.

>Cover is talent focused.

>It really is that simple. Cover treats their investors like subhuman troglodytes... which all investors are. Ankara moves heaven and earth to increase the ROI of their stock encouraging more buying
That's why I still followed them until recently, when they proved that they're willing to treat marginalized groups the same way that they treat investors.
I just unsubbed from everything Hololive. They fucking knew better than to have a sponsored TERF wizard game stream two years after the fact.
A preemptive go fuck yourself to all of the chuds spamming "YWNBAW," Chartlie Kirk's final seconds gave me a boner and we all know that you're too bitchmade to follow his example

>>104453406
If not, what are they?

>>104453505
¥¥¥ focused

>>104452292
damn

>>104452970
Cover doesn't give a fuck about their stocks or investors so it doesn't matter. On the other hand, AnyColor's *only* strength and biggest focus is in their stock so, well, when it suffered, it's a good time to laugh at them
Different attitudes. Different focus.

>>104453852
Both of them are money focused you retard, just different approach.

>>104443390 (OP)
Stock buyers don't give a single shit about fundamentals, not the majority that determine price. They care about buy backs and dividends. They care that the number is going up.

>>104453981
lol

>>104453441
holoseethe

>>104453981
>it came to me in a dream