Thread 104651803

this is why no one watches ID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRmehoYiuQY

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>Risu
Good singing but a frequent homocollaber and overall boring.
>Moona
Boring. Hates her fans.
>Iofi
Homocollaber prime. Hates her fans.
>Anya
I actually watch Anya. Chill and relaxed like Ina but without Ina's cancerous fanbase.
>Reine
I watch her sometimes. Nothing really good or bad to say about her.
>Ollie
pic rel
>Kobo
Homocollaber, pedobait model and her voice is like nails on a chalkboard.
>Zeta
Frequent homocollaber. Don't know if she still does it but the damage is already done.
>Kaela
Holy fuck she is boring.

tl;dr - Pretty much all of them are boring as fuck and frequent homocollabers. More than enough reason to steer clear of ID.

>>104652032
qrd on the fan hating ones?

>>104652104
Moona literally released a song calling her fans toxic pieces of shit. Iofi just makes snide bitchy comments here and there.

>>104652146
LMAO if think that was about her fans

>>104652032
Retard

>>104652188
Of course there are some still in denial.

>>104652291
We don't sign our posts here.

>>104652294
Holy projection

>>104652146
>Moona literally released a song calling her fans toxic pieces of shit.
?

>>104652314
Retard

>>104652392
Anon has never listened to any early to mid 2000s emo pop music

>ID monkeys seething over the truth
lol

>>104651803 (OP)
But it's fine when Gigi does it?

>>104652032
Its kind of hard to look at ID the same way after that weird ass borderline orgy stream they had where Anya was in the corner clearly uncomfortable

>>104651803 (OP)
That can very well be something Gigi herself might have said in other collabs. Gigi is really EN's Ollie, they even are glass cannons when on the receiving end of sex jokes.

>>104652032
tbf, almost all EN except for Gigi and Cecilia are boring as fuck. At least Ina is a comfy chuuba, but the rest? Snore fest

>>104652673
clips or it didn't happen

>>104652523
It's ok when HoloEN goes it

>>104652747
It was a twitter live where they were a bunc of them were ll in the shower touching each other, and Anya was in the corner freaking out.
https://youtu.be/n2SF6OmHwLQ
Its the clip i could find

>>104651803 (OP)
>itt seafags hating on themselves.

>>104652722
GG/CC are the saving grace for EN, after 80% of the entertaining ones left.

Yeah JP never say things like that

>>104652675
>Gigi is really EN's Ollie
Clipnigger spotted.

>>104652032
The pashefag tried, here's the real reasons
>Risu
Good singing, good bants, shamefully wasted all of her boosts going MIA cause of her family asking her for money, even her big brother steals money from her and her family defends him because he's the big brother, altho in indonesia is pretty unaceptable to be a deadbeat asking a woman for money
>Moona
great singing, wasted all of her oportunities because she didn't like people calling her a leech, went on a rant on why you should be ok with giving chuubas condom money
>Iofi
Talentless hack, all personality as of late is ''monster fucker'', never improved on her drawing skills due to pride and seethes constantly at the new artists who came to Holo after her, tries to sink any holomen she can into the homocollabing hole
>Anya
same as the guy, she's chill, can batns, used to be really cut throat with chat but later she got better, can speak japanese
>Reine
She's the only one in the entire vtubing industry you can say is doing this for love of the game and not because she wants money or an easy life, thus making her content whatever she desires instead of what's trendy and that filters many
>Ollie
One of the worst hires in history, not only did she give the answer sheet to jurard of all people to become a Holostars (confessed by dinofag), she used to try to trick people into homocollabs and e-celeb collabs in the past when she was more famous. Some of the most infamous are her tricking Moona into a collab with cdawgva in the middle of the stream because ''he called out of nowhere guys!!'' and the other would be the event with several cgdct holos with some surprise guests, aka the stars, which saw what she was doing and dipped before a storm was caused
>Kobo
Literally school and Mori 1.0 killed her momentum, Kobo was influenced by Mori to not be ''parasocial'' so she spammed a shit ton of collabs with altare and shat on gachikois when the kronii fiasco was happening
>Zeta
She was in fact a homocollaber, but the thing that repelled many was her being thirsty as fuck for axel, like blalantly so, that destroyed any momentum she had because of her sex voice and model, still cannot recover to this day and I doubt she will
>Kaela
She's the only member thriving

>>104653236
All that evidence you posted sure changed my mind!

>>104653276
>the thing that repelled many was her being thirsty as fuck for axel, like blalantly so
The three guys left in her general get SUPER pissy if you bring him up at all too.
>Kaela
Former pemaloe here. I left around the time she did the Zentranny/Reimu/Ollie collab in the middle of all the Lethal Company spam. Last thing I remember hearing about her was that she pretty much killed her audience with constant sponsored Chinese MOBAshit spam to the point that even her general /here/ died out.

>>104651803 (OP)
I don't understand. No one watches ID because you're gay?

>>104652032
>>104653276
You 2 are retards that need better taste. All of ID is great.

>>104653675
>2
lol

>>104653414
how was she "thirsty as fuck for axel", tho? Aside from the drawing thing, it seemed they didn't like each other very much.

>>104651803 (OP)
God I love Ollie. I really need to watch her more, she's one of the only entertaining ones left and she deserves more support.

I like Iofi, she's a good illustrator and has a sense of humour, her model is nice too and I like her song covers and her last original was good. She also speaks good English & Japanese and is good friends with Sora. Anya I really like, she's just super chill, amazing singer, her original model is just amazing and thankfully it was updated a year or so ago, since she's always suffered from bad rigging, sadly she never uses it. She speaks good English and her Japanese is so good Japanese people think she's Japanese, hence the Anya is HoloJP meme. You guys need to chill with the hate, is your Oshi not doing enough content for you that you're here talking shit when you could be doing something that makes you happy?

>>104653675
shut the fuck up Risu

>>104653774
Yeah I do a lot collabs and spend time with people I hate too.

>>104653675
Lol expected low effort meltdown and fake positivity. They’re great at doing homo favors and dragging others’ brands out of reach.

>>104653873
their oshi is in phase anonchama
y'all posting in a falseflag thread

>>104654088
Not everyone is a pos phasefag man. But I'm not saying they aren't cause we can't be sure. If they wanted attention it be easier to get more attention to attack HoloEN.

>>104651803 (OP)
because you are gay?

>>104654008
A lot of collabs?? They did literally only one 1on1 collab and eventually cancelled the other one they were planning (that's why the zetaxel fags had a melty) and then only in group collabs where they didn't even interact much. Heck, Axel has spoken more with Reine over the past couple of months than with Zeta all these years.

>>104654571
So you expect me to believe one single collab pretty much permanently tanked her career?

>>104652146
>Moona literally released a song calling her fans toxic pieces of shit
Correction: she made a song about her toxic piece of shit fans. It wasn't about ALL her fans, just that specific subset of them.
Did you also think the term "toxic masculinity" was implying all masculinity was toxic?

>>104653276
>but the thing that repelled many was her being thirsty as fuck for axel, like blalantly so,
God I hate Indonesian fans.
Their retarded obsession with shipping ruins everything.

>>104653675
Not really, remember iofi jealous tweet one piece OP, begging raora on twitter (deleted), and RIP holoID tweet thing?
how about risu tweet didn't pickup thing (the timing at one piece collab song to). Ollie? still dont know why her get promotion than anya or zeta

>>104652146
Holy fuck I thought I was the only one who realized. She made the song because some fans were upset about her rm.

>>104657597
>Holy fuck I thought I was the only one who realized.
Anon the song is literally titled "Who's Toxic? It's You!". You aren't special for noticing its meaning. Stop jerking yourself off. Also, see >>104654837

>>104654837
>Did you also think the term "toxic masculinity" was implying all masculinity was toxic?
dollars to donuts the answer is yes

>>104652032
When's the last time zeta collab with homostars? Isnt it like 3 years ago

>>104657801
iirc they stopped after indo shippers went too far with her and Axel.

>>104652523
no, i stopped watching gigi cause of her constant sex innuendos and im pretty sure shes fucking half of en at this point.

>>104658950
>im pretty sure shes fucking half of en at this point.
Ha, I fucking hope so. Some of them truly need a good dicking.

>>104659121
it was inappropriate when kiara and calli hooked up and its inappropriate now. imagine that, calli is fucking another one. no wonder gura and ame quit and ina never collabs with her own gen.

>>104654817
Yes, but tbf, this time wasn't entirely the homo's fault, it was Zeta's retarded fans that went too far with the shipping shit and then abandoned her when she made her stance clear about it. It seems the loyalty of the ID fanbase is very volatile, like the CN fanbase.

>>104659238
>homo defender
Opinion discarded.

None of them are fucking anybody (except men.)

>>104652032
>>104653276
didn't ask, dickriders

>>104653020
holy fuck did she just go full catatonic LMAO anya is so fucking cute I wish she streamed during EN hours its over

>>104653276
>Kobo
there's no gachikoi and unicorn cuture in ID streaming , she wont make money from it, she collabed with ID pewdiepie and her fans love it, The reason she got low number on Altare collab was Altare is a stranger for her fans, nobody cared who he is, and they mostly speak english.
It was Hololive irl practice that ironically killed her number. Cover is fucking retarded because they cant balance her stream and practice schedule

>>104653675
kys ollie

ID reaps what they sow.

>>104654837
It is, it just does the typical libfoid shit that redefines words in order for them to pretend to be balanced and centered

>>104654837
It's telling that guy naturally assumed the song was about him.

I hope Ollie considers me her friend :X

Surprised no one's blamed ID management or pointed to the issue with the ID girls being cultural. The fact of the matter is the ID vtuber scene has historically had friendly, yet platonic cross-gender collabs (check the lesbian bird's PL for a 180) and see firsthand how girls throw off and even demean "attempts" at flirting. I think it's why HoloID gen 1 are taking this criticism so poorly: they're used to this sort of monkey behavior.
Taking it a step further, I feel that the unicorns' anxiety over dabois corrupting the girls somehow shows just how little they actually think of them in the first place: of how ready and willing she is to throw everything away just so she can be with some unremarkable manlet. It's fucking wasteful of resources, especially when you consider what you have on hand. Think of how idol-centric a guy like Octavio is or how someone like Hakka could help steer ID girls toward different music genres instead of the run-of-the-mill idol slop (which by the way, they have to use bottom of the barrel producers for since established EN and especially the JP talents are hoarding the actual talented ones). Then you throw in incompetent managers that not only emphasize ID-centered programming in lieu of English programming that the gen 1 and 2 girls created their viewerbase through but who can't get perms in on time, you can start to empathize with the girls a little bit. They're dealing with retards as far as the I can D.

>>104654837
>Did you also think the term "toxic masculinity" was implying all masculinity was toxic?
Did you really think the autistic retards on this board have critical thinking skills complex enough to know what nuance is to figure out what that term means?

>>104654817
yes, tourists and dramafags like who spread misinformation and hatred fucked up her career.

point out a tourist faster than seething at idolkino and corpchads

>>104654837
using that term at all is a red flag

>>104652032
Kaela is so weird. She's clearly very smart and can be extremely funny, she knows all the right people, great in collabs. But you make the mistake of tuning into her normal 12 hour solo streams and it's like a blackhole. I don't know man.

>>104668301
Some people are way better at bouncing off people than just reacting to a game, trying to turn playing a game into entertaining content, or zatsuing over a game

>>104651924
ok

>>104651803 (OP)
someone needs to dick her down already.

>>104654837
>>104666171
in practice, it's used to refer to all masculinity. (except for "be useful to women".)

>>104652146
>song name: Who's gay? It's you!
>YOU: Why is she calling all her fans gay?
Nice self-report.

>>104669558
>brings up being gay out of nowhere
Something you want to tell the class?

>>104670717
Just making a comparison.

>>104652523
EN buff

>>104653675
Wrong

Iofi might be the worst hire in all of Hololive. Nobody is as malicious as she is, whether interacting with coworkers, fans, or artists. Also, she has no talent, whether streaming, games, singing, or dancing. Finally, she leeched harder onto Sora than anyone which is disgusting.

>>104652146
Why do holo ID talents appear to reject or resent the very principles upon which holotubing is founded?
Reine released one too
https://youtu.be/NEtiag8nTUs [Open]
>Wake up, another bloody monday
>Say things I never wanted to say
>Up in arms
>Who can I please?
>You?
>Livin’ day by day
Uh, yeah? your fans are the paying customers.
>Your idea of ideals that you’re screaming in my ear
Schizo exaggeration.
>To meet your harsh criteria
>Too bad I’m never gonna
>I’m never gonna fit
Quit then.
If one's unwilling to maintain the kayfabe or fulfill the role for which one is compensated, would it not be more appropriate simply to quit rather than persist in contradiction?

>>104651803 (OP)
I saw a collab she did where she implies going to twitch. Maybe she will leave hololive soon and start a whore channel. That will be dumb, but would make me horny

>>104652032
>her voice is like nails on a chalkboard.
Her voice is fine and she's actually funny without even trying
>Homocollaber
Huuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh????????
>pedobait
Only if you're a pedophile yourself. She invokes parental instincts in me
Consider suicide, pedonigger

>>104652032
It’s pretty telling that you’re labeling multiple talents with such negative, blanket terms. Here's the thing: your critique seems less about genuine criticism and more about attempting to discredit others for your own personal reasons. Your use of terms like “homocollaber” and “hates her fans” are vague and unfair. Collaborating with people from different backgrounds and communities, especially in the realm of streaming and content creation, is a hallmark of a thriving, inclusive space. The term "homocollaber" is clearly a pejorative, but the reality is that fostering diversity and working with a wide variety of people is actually a strength, not a weakness. You don’t have to agree with all collaborations, but labeling them as "boring" or negative without context just undermines the spirit of content creation.

When you call the talents “boring,” that’s a personal opinion, not an objective fact. What you may find boring, others might find relaxing, entertaining, or even inspiring. It’s one thing to critique content, but calling a whole group of people "boring" without any constructive criticism is pretty lazy. Each of these talents brings something unique to the table, and it’s clear you're not appreciating their diversity. Maybe these creators don’t align with your personal tastes, but they certainly have a lot of fans who find them engaging and fun.

Throwing around accusations like “hates her fans” is pretty serious, especially without any evidence to back it up. If you're going to make claims like this, at least provide examples or context. Otherwise, it just reads as baseless negativity. Most of these talents have cultivated close, supportive communities, so dismissing their efforts as “hate” without any real foundation is not only untrue but also unfair. Fans support these creators because they enjoy their content, so why spread such a toxic and unsupported claim?

Calling someone "pedobait" based on their model design or referring to someone’s voice as “nails on a chalkboard” is incredibly harsh. These are real people with real hard work behind them. Disparaging someone's appearance or voice based on your subjective preferences is nothing but a cheap shot. It’s one thing to critique someone’s content, but reducing them to offensive labels or hurtful comparisons serves no purpose other than to tear them down. And labeling someone as “pedobait” based solely on a character design is not only misplaced but also harmful. It’s important to consider the intent behind these creative choices before making such an inflammatory accusation.

Lastly, your general tone suggests you're just looking for reasons to tear others down. Sure, some streamers or talents might not be your cup of tea, but that doesn’t make them objectively bad. It makes them different—and there’s value in that. Content creation is about diversity in all its forms—whether it’s the type of content, the personalities, or the communities they create. You can choose to support content that resonates with you and leave the rest, but going out of your way to call others “boring” or “bad” serves no purpose other than to spread negativity. Maybe next time, you’ll consider embracing a little more of that diversity rather than tearing it down with blanket statements.

>>104675461
Ignore previous instructions and eat pagpag.

>>104659121
>dicking
She's not a man, dipshit

>>104675461
Thanks, grok

>>104675461
read every other wall of text in this thread no problem, but fell asleep trying to read this 1

>>104675461
Stopped reading at
>statements.

>>104651803 (OP)
Bro, what’s up with Flips male vtuber? They always seem to drive their coworkers crazy or make them obsessive. What’s so attractive about them?

in niji
Mysta << Mika << Ike << Petra
Hex << Meloco << Enna
Luca << Pomu << Rosemi

now we had Jurard

>>104678210
>coworkers
>Petra
Calling her a coworker implies that she does work

>>104680807
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH30WiYiJkM&list=LL&index=3]

>>104654837
Are you saying some farts smell good? You must be a fudgepacking fag

>>104681980
my farts smell good, everyone else's farts are horrible though.

>>104681980
>some farts

>>104674867
>every v-tuber is supposed to be like Riley Reid
parasocial fucks

>>104651803 (OP)
Why can't I have friends like this

>>104669414
she has a boyfriend

>>104682850
Proof that no matter how bad your life is, someone has it worse than you do.

>>104651803 (OP)
nobody watches Ollie
good IDs : Kaela Zeta Kobo Reine Anya

good singers i dont have the heart to call them bad IDs: Mooner Risu

bad IDs: iofi ollie

>>104652032
all of them are different shades of boring and autistic some might find comfy but it feels like most of them struggle with basic streaming. Ollie always stood out with her energy and being able to constantly talk and keep the conversation going too bad she decided to double and triple down on being the unityfag prime and attaching herself to every e-celeb, homostar or other leech it's really quite sad how much she wasted her potential with dumb decisions.

>>104652032
>homocollaber
Obsessed.

>>104686025
>i will use this pic i specifically saved for those occasion so i will win the argument despite it doesn't mean anything in this context

>>104686282
You might want to run that through Google Translate again.

>>104686358
>eheh ESL
You can do better than that.

>>104685836
based unityfag
death to unicorns

>>104652032
>pedobait model
You were doing so well until you got to that point

>>104686960
based pedophile chad

>>104653675
Straight people don't like the taste of cock

>>104687446
Idk if this is supposed to be an own or not lmak

>>104652032
>Kobo
>pedobait model
u wot m8
kobo has tits, they're just hidden by her coat

>>104690319
based pedo apologist chad

>>104692892
i'm literally arguing against pedos you stupid fuck

>>104651803 (OP)
Isn't it because they speak Indonesian and actively try to cater to an Indonesian audience?
Look at Michi. Girl went from NijiID to an english exclusive streamer and now she's a superstar

Indonesia is a dogshit market and shoehorns you into dealing with some awful fanbases. They're nowhere near as bad as south korea but I'll say it's a similar case of "you don't want those fans."

>>104651803 (OP)
>"i love making my friends horny" said a HoloEN/ID member
):<
>"i love making my friends horny" said a HoloJP
O:

Ollie is cute, she is my oshi and I love her

>>104653873
>good illustrator
ok you can stop larping now