Thread 104662430

>Year 2025
>2.7 billion Yen studio
>All those equipments
>Still have shit 3D trackings, inferior compared to Nijisanji's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCCpHhsl9qI
No wonder the investors are running away to Anycolor, wtf went wrong??

>>104662430 (OP)
Controversial opinion: Both Nijisanji's and Hololive's 3D stuff sucks ass and is shit

>>104662430 (OP)
>Niji has better 3D quality
????????????

>>104662430 (OP)
>Year 2025
>Nijisanji still hasn't figured out how fucking SHADOWS work

>>104662430 (OP)
>Niji organs get 3D
kek funny nijinigger sister

>>104662630
Nah that's a pretty normie take. Their models look antiquated at this point.

There are indies pulling off better 3d than they are, and doing it on pennies.

>>104662764
>>104662830
>>104662890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FninkqHKyS8
>Better hand trackings
>Better held objects trackings
Eat shit Holokeks, enjoy your floating grabbed items

>>104662630
/thread

>>104662430 (OP)
>>104662948
pathetic bait

>>104663013
So where's the shadows?
That's like basic shit.

>>104663084
Is shadows really that important? Even competitive gamers turn them off. Now imagine if objects have the wrong hitboxes, now that is some basic shit.

>>104662430 (OP)
>>104663013
>>104663121
>compared to Nijisanji's
be real nigger
imagine paying a ticket for picrel

>>104662630
Spbp

>>104662430 (OP)
lol real or google images?

>>104662430 (OP)
This wasn't streamed from one of those big rooms but a small booth they have been testing for a couple months now. They don't need tracking suits there, that's why the quality is lesser.

>>104663160
We don't talk about EN failures here, we talk about the JPs who has easier access to the full arsenal of the so great HoloStudio.

Also, here's your shadows btw, things you can search by yourself you know but admit it, you just want me to say it you masochist.

>>104663121
Graphics in video games and graphics in watched media like movies or youtube videos have different requirements. For example most gamers will turn off motionn blur,
Good shadows is huge for viewer immersion, and it SHOULD have been even easier to do than anything else.

Instead, all of the shadows on niji models are baked into the model itself, which looks very awkward in any kind of lighting or scene since light sources will never match up.

>>104662430 (OP)
Doesn't really matter much when western indies like Doki mog them with a much smaller budget

>>104663269
if your that strong enough to move goal posts, maybe you should do something helpful for your community.

>>104663160
Lol, are you for real? Is this the infamous Niji supremacy?

>>104663305
>Instead, all of the shadows on niji models are baked into the model itself
>Lighting works on both diffuse and hard lights
Uhh...
>>104663325
What goalpost? I'm here to criticize Hololive's shit tracking using Nijisanji's 3D quality as a reference point. You're the ones trying to centerize it around Nijisanji's 3D quality, I'm just playing along.

>>104663160
>>104663325
>>104663374
Catalog intelligence at work

>>104663269
this look like fucking dogshit lmfao

>>104663385
Holodrones getting real silent after this dropped lol

Niji3D Lighting O
Niji3D Tracking O
Holo3D Lighting O
Holo3D Tracking X

Niji wins, Holo loses

>>104662630
Yeah, it's kinda fucked up how much money these corporations burn on this shit and yet they're still constantly 2+ years behind on the technology.

>>104663517
zoom in further I can't see it.

>>104663528
Ah yes. Nijisanji's masterful 3D
As shown here in their 140 usd paid concert.

>>104663013
>>104663385
>>104663528
Man nijiniggers are too fucking funny

>>104663570
>>104663595
so obsessed, that is honestly sad.

>>104663570
>>104663595
>OP topic : HoloJP
>Holodrones : B... but NijiEN
See who's trying to move the goalpost here?

>>104663649
>>104663635
nijiseethe

>>104663185
Yes it was. They have only one studio.

>>104663683
>out of ammo, resorts to basic catalogshitter tier words
Niji wins again

>>104663683
sing a different song already.

>>104663570
>>104663595
>The Internet quality was bad at the convention therefore Niji 3D bad
Maximum cope

>>104663649
>Here's this shit example of 3D which clearly isn't given professional touch-ups and is used in a free shitpost stream that's also being used as handcam
>OK, here's this shit example of 3D in a 140 dollar paid concert, triple that of holo 3D events like Dreamhack.
>G-goalposts!

>>104663802
okay, and?

>>104663802
Niji3D Lighting O
Niji3D Tracking O
Niji3D Shitpost O
Niji3D Concert X
Holo3D Lighting O
Holo3D Tracking X
Holo3D Concert O
Holo3D Shitpost X

Niji still wins, Holo loses

>>104663800
>>104663776
>>104663743
A different song? Sure.
This event ALSO cost 140 dollars to enter.
Meanwhile, the holo event was closer to 40.
How come Niji's quality is so consistently shit? Even when they're actively charging money to see it, they half-ass everything.

That watermelon? Me, if you know what I meanm.

>>104663917
>>104663887

>>104663160
LMAO I already forgot about this crap wasn't it just 1 month ago LOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL

>>104663917
This is just a remix of the same ol song lmao

>>104662630
/Thread

>>104663887
>>104663884

>>104664064
Got any more of them pixels??

>>104664079
I gotchu

>>104664064
>>104664172
>But enough about Hololive's abysmal tracking

>>104664261
Oh, like this?

>>104664314
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>104663570
>>104663595
Lmao holy shit this is embarrassing
Just stick to shitposting about stocks

>>104664314
>>104664360
>>104664400
>Least obvious holodrone samefagging
ok baby, let's not talk about Ollie's 3D model glitch in the All For One concert so the Nijisisters can't have their win amirite?

>>104664445
youtried.jpg

>>104664484
>Use photoshop and paste a pink box over the bottom 2 (You)s
>See? They're not me!
A baby can do that, try better!!

>>104663694
Did you not read anything that that comment said? Here, I'll repeat it for you
>This wasn't streamed from one of those big rooms but a small booth they have been testing for a couple months now. They don't need tracking suits there, that's why the quality is lesser.
And I'll repeat it again, this was in a small booth that they added to the studio that talents can use for silly 3D streams like the one linked in OP without needing a bunch of staff or tracking suits

>>104664533
Anon, I'm using 4chan x. You can see it quite clearly.
The fuck would I need photoshop for if I wanted to fake it? I could just unselect the other posts.
Jesus christ, not only are you retarded, but you don't even know how to shitpost properly.
Which makes sense. You're stupid enough to watch Nijisanji in 2025, after all.

>>104664716
Is this how Hololive's 3D team resolve the tracking issue? By shittalking their competition?
No wonder you guys stuck with shit tracking.

>>104664654
There's no "small booth". The stream had several people on it so it was clearly streamed in the big studio. Hololive 3D just sucks.

>>104664756
>>104664314
>>104664064
>>104663595
>>104663570
Is this how you keep deflecting off of Nijisanji's dogshit 3D?

Autistic thread

>>104664799
Anon the girls are constantly talking about the different 3D recording rooms.
Hell, Kiara was talking about showing them off to Mint like last month.

So what company is actually working on good/promising 3D tracking? Sony? Who?

>>104664948
No, we pretty much established that NijiEN failed. Now you holodrones are the one who keeps denying that the NijiJP side is doing alright and kicking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xWwFnUKA6g

>>104665114
Cygames

>>104665055
Read the post. Some "small booth" can't fit in 4 people.
Also the fact that Kiara says some indie from outside of the compamy can just walk in and use them shows they're not a thing.

ITT: Nijidisgraces in full power trying to deflect.

Go back to the kitchen niji ladies, internet is not for you.

>>104665200
NTA, but it is reported to Cover's investors. So yes, they are testing another way to use 3D without the tracking suits.
Thanks for being the tourist here.

>>104665200
>Some "small booth" can't fit in 4 people.
Anon a small booth can be the size of a room. It doesn't have to be closet-sized or whatever you're thinking of.

>>104665155
Well there ya go, just get their stuff.

>>104665200
NTA, stop being disingenuous faggot, we all know how well the actual studio with full equipment from their 3D concerts, you're trying too hard to say this random 3D skit is done with the same tech when there is clear difference between them on top of the talents already saying they got smaller booth that's easier to use compared to the usual studio because you don't need a whole crew to operate it

>>104665393
Then you run into the same problem as everyone else: It's fucking expensive. Unlike game giants like cygames or hoyo, they don't exactly have the kind of cash that'd let them upgrade shit constantly. That's likely why they're investing in this kind of new mocap. (They emphasized that it'd be cheaper, especially.)

>>104665281
>Holo's biggest star
>Floating objects
>Niji's nobodies
>Proper object handling
Who's deflecting now?

>>104665596
>>104665441

>>104665596
anon you can see the severe clipping on the vta dodger.
Hell, go check out the nijien 3D debuts if you wanna see some REAL awful tracking and object handling.

>>104665626
>>104663887

>>104665647
>NijiEN whataboutism again
Holy keks, not even denying the accusation at this point

>>104665693
>ONLY LOOK AT THE BAD EXAMPLES I POINT OUT. STOP CHERRY PICKING AGAINST MY CHERRY PICKS REEEEEEEEE

>>104665762
>"anon you can see"
>provides no image
What a great examples

>>104665693
Funny that you don’t even bother to reply to >>104665324 because it destroyed your shitposting.

>>104665693
EN uses the same studio and same technology as the rest of Niji though so what's the problem?
>>104665821

>>104662430 (OP)
Concert-wise I haven't seen any VTuber concert with better quality than Holo's (JP, EN, solo) yet

>>104663505
Nijiseething on full display

>>104665596
The fact that you don’t even understand the technical difference between these examples undermines your credibility.
Here’s a hint: why do microphones in Hololive never float around but instead stay perfectly 'fixed' to the hand?

>>104662430 (OP)
ok but ReGloss' models are pretty good
I think Cover wants to move that rigging/model tech to every mem after some more testing

>>104666128
shhh
don't bring up why thin, cylindrical objects tend to look fine.
It definitely doesn't have anything to do with the props involved

>>104665888
That's just trying to make Kinect, and we all know how that technology went, skip
>>104666128
Are you meant to say that it's because the floating objects are independent objects and not bound to the rigging like the mics? Boy do Nijis have better tracking for them too, just look at those bouncing balls
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/14h028Kygp8

Meanwhile Holos can't even properly track hands of the girls putting an armband on a watermelon

>>104666409
Their hands are floating.

>>104662630
Fpbp

>>104666409
>>104665441
Also like the other anon said, their hands are floating above the balls

>>104666409
they're hovering above the ball, anon.
You tried.

>>104666409
If you mean the latest Pekora 3D video, that was with their mocapless tech. You don't see any mocap gloves (just regular gloves) on their hands when they put armbands on the watermelon.

>>104666409
oh nyo

>>104662430 (OP)
holoearth

>>104666409
Oh, last I know Kinect has a hard time tracking multiple people at the same time, but I do not see that problem with Suisei, Towa and Nene’s stream.

>>104664314
>Pomu graduated because of niji shitty 3d quality
Pomu deserve better...

>>104666505
>>104666553
>>104666572
>>104666611
>>104666618
Yeah but that ain't 1.9 billion Yen worth of tech
>>104666721
I'm pessimistic honestly

>>104662430 (OP)
>No wonder the investors are running away to Anycolor, wtf went wrong??
nijisis really retarded
what make investor flock to anycolor is not 3D technology but buyback and dividend
like for real investor give shit about anything but money

>>104666814
Didn't Nijisanji brag about spending like triple Cover's amount on a 3D studio?

>>104667195
Never heard of that, really?

>>104667286
It was like last year after their stock tanked or something.
They talked about how they were expanding the size of their 3D studio and how it would cost like triple Hololive's and upgrading their recording booth (specifically mentioning that they even bought a KU100!)
It was hilarious and memed to death for like a month.

>>104663385
Wake me up when Anycolor put 200 livers into a single 3D studios. Can't wait for a stuttering mess!

>>104667420
Tbf no studio in Japan can do that. Cover's studio can track 23 talents in a single stage and that is already impressive by itself by industry standards.

>>104667632
Cover’s maximum capacity is 10, as stated during the Hoshimatic project. Anything beyond that would require multiple sessions.

>>104667722
In the video where they showcased the new studio the narrator said they can record 23 people in an endurance test. I guess to be able to do that they need all the staff, but the company is understaffed.

Cool, so what kind of shows and concerts have they done recently?

>>104664314
This is why they make long hair hover in the air when they lower their head.

>>104663635
>Obsessed
Said the nijjers that started a thread to shit on holos kek

>>104664948
You keep asking but never seem to post your own evidence of your own?

>>104664445
Wasn't that not in their JP studio? They were literally in NY.

>>104662430 (OP)
Nijisanji's physics is miles better than Holo

>>104668215
Practically 1 3D live/week these days

>>104662430 (OP)
>>104663694
Holy retard

>>104663917
>>104669972
ok now, you can post better 3D of holo than this, i will wait, holobronies

>>104662630
Fucking japs and their aversion to use technology that was made after 1990

>>104670092
0:19 The shoulder fabric is literally floating over the back. Great physics, indeed.

>>104670404
post holo's physics then

>>104662430 (OP)
>>104662630
Being big means you move slow. You have one big capital investment that improves the status quo and than years of stagnation. When it comes time for an upgrade it's not to what's currently best, it's to what's proven and reliable. The time to upgrade is also slow, by the time it reaches an actual stream it's "cutting edge" from 2 years ago.
Niji 3Ds were amazing... in 2021

Japan has always been like this, they are top of the foodchain when it comes to hardware like audio, ball bearings, cars, trains, shimano bicycle products, etc etc but they have always been complete dogshit when it comes to software and its implementations

>>104671807
This is exactly right.
Hololive does have an advantage over Niji here, however.
Hololive is funny and I enjoy watching it.

>>104671889
Isn’t this VRChat?

>>104670092
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc2owX4GFwA&t=478s

>>104672151
Uh, could you not, I have a narrative to puch and that can't be done with your truth telling !

>>104672171
Is that fucking UE5?!

What the heck are you guys talking about, Hololive has the best streaming tech ever, best physics engine too: https://youtu.be/eUWJWuOupy4?t=17

>>104672662
La+ is an alien

>>104662430 (OP)
>>104662630
Case in point I recently stumbled upon this clip from a small agency and wondered how come they have better camera direction and 3D models than hololive
https://youtu.be/wCy57xKDesA

>>104671889
IRyS of the Boreal Valley

>>104669972
Do you even know this talent's name?

>>104662430 (OP)
No

>>104664799
Holostars are using those small booths for months at this point. Originally there was a cap of 2-3 person that they can track but apparently they improved the number of people.

https://youtu.be/06hLyvgUwSQ

>>104676675
How lazy are you? You could find out by the filename....Sophia Valentine https://www.youtube.com/@Sophia_Valentine

>>104662430 (OP)
>All those equipments
>equipments
Come on dude try a grammar checker or smth fucks sake

>>104662430 (OP)
Are you sure Niji 3D is better than this? Where's your Unreal Engine 5?

>>104662948
>There are indies pulling off better 3d than they are, and doing it on pennies.
can they track 10 people at once?

>>104662430 (OP)
That's not worth 27 million dollars. Someone somewhere in the organization is stealing.

>>104683990
Yep, this shit costs like 500k at most. Hololive is a bigger scam than Vshojo.

>>104683990
>>104684140
Tell me anon. How much does Vicon VK26 camera cost?

>>104684233
Not a lot.

>>104684317
I will answer for you. 9 million yen for a single camera.

>>104684359
That still doesn't add up to 2.7 billion. Cover is scamming the talents and investors.

>>104684400
They have more than a 100 cameras as reported. Do the maths. And that is just for the cameras and not the other equipment for music recording, chroma key studios, etc.

>>104684483
That's still not 27 million dollars worth of equipment.

>>104680464
Very, thanks.

>>104684584
>27 million dollars
You mean 20 million dollars. 1 dollar is not 100 yen, illiterate anon.
Besides, they have 200 of them in the whole studio, as reported last year.

>>104684753
The dogshit quality doesn't match the supposed cost so clearly they didn't buy the equipment they said they did.

>>104684753
ok well that only accounts for a bit less than 2 million dollars. that doesn't explain over 90% of the budget went to.
and do you really believe processing audio or video cost that much? people can do that shit on a macbook.

>>104684791
>”It is not 27 million dollars worth of equipment”
>”Ok the camera costs a lot but still not 27 million”
>”Ok, it can cost like that but the equipment is not what they said”
Anon, you can see the fucking cameras there and compare it to the VK26 Vicon has

>>104684858
>Bit less than 2 million dollars
>A single camera costs 9 million yen
>100 multiplied by 9 million is 900 million yen or more than 6 million dollars
>Recent reports have 200 so they spent 12 million dollars on cameras.
This board has become shit if people can't do simple maths.

>>104684950
They clearly bought chinese knock offs.

>>104684858
>and do you really believe processing audio or video cost that much? people can do that shit on a macbook
Can you people stop arguing with him now. It's obvious he is just pretending to be retarded and baiting to waste your time. There is better ways to use your time.

>>104685035
This the top mocap camera from their competitor.
You are retarded if you think anyone is paying more than this.
And hololive's quality is incredibly low grade shit compared to what you see from game studios.

>>104685059
I'm just trying to prove a point. Hololive is pretty suspicious. Their talents are great. But all this money and their streams don't really improve on much compared to the average vtuber.
Asians are known for incredible amounts of corruption when they have control of someone else's money.

>>104685213
Nijisanji is using Vicon too.

>>104685289
More like being retarded. You can’t do math and you know nothing about motion tech industry.

This is who buys the $9000 mocap cameras from optitrack.
>>104685363
>>104685313
You are a dumb nigger. QED.

>>104685395
And guess who buys Vicon?

>>104685541
>NASA, Dreamworks, ILM, Warner Bros
Lmao, >>104685395 got BTFO

Amazing. It's like they are competitors.
And I know you got that vicon price from reddit you fucking faggot. They don't advertise it publicly but there's no way it's 10x their competition or they would have no customers.
You don't get a (you) for being a redditor.

>>104685720
>Amazing, it is like they are competitors
NTA but were’t you the one trying to flex who buys those cameras? You got blasted again for trying to one up.

I'm pointing out 90,000 USD for per mocap makes no fucking sense. They have a competitor that sells it for 9000
You get your information from reddit. You already lost.

>>104685932
Even holofags know Cover is scamming and lying about the cost. They didn't even get the cameras they claimed they did.

>>104685932
>>104685999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgT6XY6ldj8
A low end 10 camera Vicon from old generations cost him 50k dollars.

And why are you thinking that 1 dollar is the same as 100 yen?

>>104686173
NTA you are throwing shit at, but bear in mind that it is 1.9 billion in equipment, not just the cameras. Since Cover bought 200 cameras obviously they got it as discount price.
Now to the >>104685932 anon, you are forgetting all the extra equipment that comes for the studio. The KAIROS system for each studio, the music equipment that all major music labels have (including high end microphones, recording booths, engineer stuff, etc.)
Those things costs a lot too.

>>104686330 (me)
And since Cover stated and has their own in house equipment to make their own music label for tens of talents they definitely spent that amount.

Itt: nijifagji humiliation ritual

>>104687395
At least post webm like this>>104669972
>>104670092
to prove your point, holobrony sea-kun