Thread 105354555

>I thought that if I make a lot of art for Sinder alone, why shouldn't I ask for premium price for exclusivity?
>Oh shit, Sinder actually agreed and dropped the bag for me for exclusivity, cash in and let's make shit up to Bao and other clients about why their art is delayed
>Umm, actually after talking with Bao, Lilly and other whore clan members i realized the Sinder cash bag is a bad thing and I don't want it anymore, I was "under pressure" from her to take the money
>Let's make a whole coordinated attack on Sinder how much of a bitch she is and how she "blackmailed" me
>5month later, Nano: umm, now i learned that when i ask for premium price for exclusivity to one of my clients and they agree, I should be able to say "NO", hehe
What do you call this women behavior?

>rakes in a ton of money
>still plays the victim

>>105354555 (OP)
400k for some drawings
Not even the real physical deal - just photophop shit
400 fucking k
How

>>105354555 (OP)
Just goes to show that if you're skilled enough at something, others will view you as a strategic asset, tear eachother apart, and instantly forgive you if they truly rely on your skills. To many vtubers top tier artists, riggers, video editors, etc can be more valuable than their own "friends"

>>105354627
Nano is Brazilian, and some people say it's in Brazilian currency, but even if it's still like $80k. For someone living in Brazil this is like an unimaginable amount of money she's making compared to what salaries and prices are in Brazil.

>>105354627
Sinder might be a schizo but she's a paying schizo and a deal is a deal specially if it's a paid one. You don't just back out of it just because "friends" tell you that's a stupid idea. You could stop and pay her back but adding character assassination is bad form.

Sinder pressured her to be exclusive. Payment or not that’s backstabbing petty behavior and still makes her look like a bitch.
Beyond all the other shit she flat out admitted to she just isn’t a pleasant person

>>105354555 (OP)
this is fucking insanity
and the whole thing will be swept under the rug

>>105354555 (OP)
lol what sort of retardation is this

>>105354806
>that’s backstabbing petty behavior and still makes her look like a bitch.
how, it's just business, exclusivity agreements are common

>>105354698
didn't know that. Yeah, that's how much a doctor makes in a year.

This drama has way too many words so I don't care

>>105354806
Learn to read reatrdo. Nano literally said herself that she was the one asking for premium from Sinder.

>>105354842
Ok and all the other stuff was business too then?

>>105354555 (OP)
>$3,951.00
Thats a typo right? Considering her starting is $10k? She meant $39,510.00?

>>105354863
Sinder still pressured her and went behind her friends backs

>>105354925
Why did you cut out the messages of Sinder pressuring her?

>>105354936
What pressure? She is a fuckin flee lancer artist making more than doctors and Sinder paid her tens of thousands on the spot.

>>105354983
That is the pressure lol

>>105355023
oh fuuuuck please no one ever pressure, I'd hate to have thousands deposited into my account instantly, please don't I'd hate that

>>105355023
Why are you a woman? Unless you're saying that nano's own free will pressured her to ask sinder for money in exchange for exclusivity.

Shylily and Nano already won in the court of public opinion. Facts don't matter and Sinder won't be able to drag them down with her. Vtubers like Deme and SquChan already ran damage control for Nano and Lily and only read sections of the document that looked bad for Sinder. Try as she might, Sinder can't overcome Lily's ironclad grip over a significant section of the indie vtubing scene.

>>105354698
1 dollar = 5 real so yes it was a shitton of money

>>105354871
She probably meant $3,951.00, just for the rigging.
In Brazil, we use commas to separate decimals.

>>105355072
Bruh sinder just proved she is awful person and that nano is not trustworthy. Her doc is 60% schizoing about silvervale

>>105355072
Au contraire. The court of public opinion is now open since both sides have said their part. Nano the liar, shylily the manipulative bitch, sinder the schizo and i'm throwing silver in the mix for no particular reason.

>>105355112
that is cheap as fuck... I heard some streamers saying they paid 20k for full rigging.

>>105355064
Not the point

>>105354806
>>105354887
> Sinder still pressured her and went behind her friends backs
Shitty of her to do that to fuck over her supposed "Friends" but also to keep it secret so she could continue to fuck them over without them understanding why.
>>105355113
>Her doc is 60% schizoing about silvervale
I don't watch any of these whores but I don't get what her thing about silvervale is.

>>105354555 (OP)
>artist drama
>+ ENwhore drama

>>105355147
I need to become a good rigger holy shit.

>>105355147
I remember some vtuber mentioning how nano is the best because she makes top tier stuff for somehow reasonable prices (probably because she's Brazilian and not American) instead of some artists asking for $12k+.
As I see it, Sinder knew how much nano is worth with her quality and price, so when nano asked for extra Sinder dropped the bag on the spot for exclusivity, and other vtubers got ass mad about it so they "convinced nano" that it is a bad deal and decided to get rid off Sinder.
Not saying that Sinder is some angle with her schizo obsession with silver, but the root cause of all of it in nano seems just like killing the competition.

>>105355138
>Nano the liar, shylily the manipulative bitch, sinder the schizo
All the big names are either staying silent or choosing to cherry pick the document to only put Sinder in a bad light while ignoring Nano and Lily's involvement. If no big voice chooses to point out that Nano is a liar, or that Shylily is manipulative than the public will continue to put all the fault on Sinder. Lily has the biggest voice and the most connections, so she and Nano will get off Scott-free. Very few are willing to actually read the document, so they need someone to tell them what to think about it. And all of Lily's friends have already told viewers what to think, she won.

>>105355254
the problem is that nano agreed for a really shitty amount. Exclusivity is expensive because you will drop everything to only carter to that person it will hurt you carrer in the long run too... I totally agree that nano only noticed it too late and wanted a way out.

>>105355237
it's A LOT of work. Like weeks to month of work.

>>105355361
All streamers are just self jerking circles with big dogs that everyone is scared of huh.
Reminds me of how hasan ordered Ludwig to delete the youtube video criticizing him, and now with the dog drama all the LA streamers are dead silent about Hasan. Guess vtubers are the same circlejerk with Shylily as the big dog.

>>105355409
twitch was a mistake

Okay, I read that dockey against my better judgment. Jesus Christ, Sinder really is a fucking schizo, huh? Silvervale should be scared she'll wear her face or something.
Crazy how she made herself look even worse

>>105355388
Ok, so even if that's true, that means Shylily and bao decided to pay her more (closer to what americans would ask for), and it's all about the money at the end of the day, and not Sinder blackmailing/pressuring nano to take the exclusivity bag?

>>105355491
Basically it all comes down to, Nano lied and Sinder died.

>>105354627
do you struggle with decimals or where the fuck did you pull 400k from?

>>105355474
you know what is crazy? This bitch was WAY BIGGER than silver will ever be and she was still schizoing because she refused collab. Like, dude you won, move on

>>105355430
This. We can't emphasize this enough. Nothing but cancer.

>>105355555
Americans use . for decimals, so yes he struggles

>>105355023
see >>105354581

>>105355197
>but I don't get what her thing about silvervale is.
she's a narcissist that was told no the first time in her life

>>105355361
I hate this whore so much it's unreal

>>105354555 (OP)
>sinder wasn't lying and nano really did put out the exclusivity idea
>the exclusivity that was the crux of all the accusations against sinder
holy fuck lmao
>>105354806
>Sinder pressured her to be exclusive
even nano says this isn't true now LOL

The stark difference of how quickly many periferal participants eagerly tore down one of their own back then versus choosing to ignore the situation now is really telling how shitty and fake they all are.

>>105355833
that doesn't mean sex, saar.

>>105355980
keep coping lil bro

>>105356029
https://x.com/djclancy999/status/1730706593245696080
i know for a fact because i am on the right and dan went home with me and we had gay sex all night alone.

nano lying whore
shylily manipulative schizo
sinder absolutely vindicated
silvervale

Bottom line is everyone should stop relying on cheap third world labor. None of this would be a problem if vtubers only hired american/euro/japanese artists and riggers.

>>105355973
Welcome to the world of indie vtubing(actually content creation as a whole). Remember Sayu? Everyone in the big indie scene was so supportive of her when she left for Niji, now they pretend that she doesn't exist. Funny that only Raoras RM supported her after she left

>hire american artist
>they get shot mid commission

indie vtubeing is full of deranged whores

>>105354555 (OP)
bitches with 0 real-life experience, the lot of them

>>105355980
>Twitch TOS literally has a clause that prohibits complaining that certain streamers get privileges for sexual favors
Yes, it does, lil nigga

>>105356211
>>105356071

>>105355409
>twitch has better networking bro
>the networking:

>>105356150
It's even more tempting with digital products, because it's pretty much tariff / tax free, you just pay some random like nano via 3-rd party payment operators, and she just send you art in a compressed file via internet lol. No need to deal with local laws, hiring people on the spot and so on.
That is why indie vtubers struggle with releasing physical products like plushies and half of it turns out to be scams.

>>105356242
With shylily having her queen bee status being ripped off due to being known as a manipulative bitch, who would be the new queen bee of twitch indies?

>>105356322
Nah, from what I can see 99% of people just decided it's Sinder fault, and upon seeing a 1000 words google doc they decided they don't care to read it.
There are like 2 vtubers even hinting that nano could be at fault and everyone else is defending her till the end.

>>105356452
I don't know where you're seeing these supposed defenders but it's obvious no one is taking nano's side this time specially after that self admission. Compare it during the dogpiling on nano's google dockey drop.

>>105354555 (OP)
Sinder has at least two boyfriends and people are funding her still?

She's brazilian? Thats explain the low IQ

>>105356071
>>105356225
he's bi

I don't know why vtubers like exclusivity to artists so much. Aqua/Sakuna trusted hers for years and then when he turned out to be a pedo she had to upend everything she had planned. Shouldn't make any one artist a huge art of your identity.

>>105356559
You can't call upon the unicorns in this court of public opinion. They only see this as catfight between twitch whores and they couldn't care less.

>>105356621
It's like asking for another artist to draw another saberface in fgo. It doesn't feel the same anymore. But if the artist is shitty as fuck like what we have here, they should be considered radioactive.

>Nano is PoS
>Sinder is PoS
>REDACTED is turbo cucked and PoS
There. Summary of whole drama.
Nobody should defend Nano, nobody should forgive RED or Sinder since they are still in cahoots businesswise and romantically. (nothing changed)

>>105355023
Low impulse woman, and nog, brained creature
>she's a huehuehue
it makes even more sense now

>>105355980
Deluded cuck.

>>105356825
Nobody should defend Lily either.

>>105356729
Eh Sabers drawn by other artists are still plenty popular, people aren't so picky

>>105357439
Saberface not Sabers you absolute plebian.

>>105354698
The 'real' economy is broken and the way to make money is to do wacky stuff like e-businesses or trading stocks. If you took out calls on Gold in the last 2 months I'd have 100%ed your money, tunring 70k into 140k ez.

>>105355764
No we fucking do not

>>105354555 (OP)
>actual apology
>doesn't need 1000 pages of fluff and schizo "speculation" to do it

Can anyone spoonfeed me on shylily being manipulative, I get nano being spineless but wasn't the shylily part of the document speculation for the most part?

>>105362453
Sinder noticed Shylily treating her differently. Sinder believes this was due to sharing information about V-Card. Where before Sinder was always able to contact Shylily directly, she now had talk though some community manager.
Shylily was upset someone would share info about V-Card before herself, Sinder thought she was it was her right as co-owner of GamerSupps. Sinder contacted GamerSupps about what the correct procedure is, and was told they had no protocol for it.

>>105362766
Okay so basically she has a motive

>>105362766
Ooh, so Lily already had Sinder on the crosshair for stepping out of the line and showing info of V-cards first, instead of the top bitch herself.
The more info comes out the more it looks like Lily just wanted to get rid off of the competition.

>>105355023
She folds that easily? Do you think she would suck dick under pressure?

>>105354555 (OP)
>dumb whores fight
oh no, anyways i know you are reading this you schizophrenic parrot macaco
PUT ME IN THE VIDEO!

>>105364575
he just got a 3-day for shilling himself lmao

>>105362766
>>105362895
>>105364209
Shylily was seething about Sinder being considered the Charizard of the game she created, especially since even the Gamersupps staff was telling her that, she's a literally insane envious woman.
https://youtu.be/sju9NXxseD4?t=2707

>>105364989
he got 3 day of what?

>>105362453
Sinder speculates Shylily wrote Nanoless' doc, or at least is a core author.

>>105362895
Everyone has a motive, which is apparently to usurp Sinder.
The problem is nothing in this document actually has any evidence past that.
Yeah, ShyLily organized the group, but at the same time ShyLily was one of the people fucked over by Sinder's backstabbing and used as a scapegoat to get out of another girl's concert.
All of the messages, as well as Sinder's own statements, support the fact that Sinder has been taking advantage of nano for years and underpaying her/wanting her to cancel other commissions for the sake of "we should be the only one with art by you."

>>105354555 (OP)
Yeah I'm not reading that

>>105354555 (OP)
The Nano shit was kind of a crux issue of the whole thing, why didnt Sinder instantly fire back with this; instead of waiting 5 fucking months and burying it in a google doccy containing mostly irrelevant bullshit?

>>105355402
I dont agree with riggers charging 5-10k for a month. The argument they make is that it's lower than minimum wage (it isn't because they aren't working 9 hours on rigs every day) and full rigs only take about 1 week on a steady work schedule.

>>105369145
did you ever watched someone rigging? This shit takes a long time... Sure you can get a holo rigging in one week but good ones takes time.

>>105369274
How many hours?

>>105354555 (OP)
The fact that nobody gave that artist shit for how she behaved just proves people are fucking retarded. It was incredibly unprofessional, yet almost everyone was on her side going "she just poor girl uwu, wen big stweama asks for thing, how could she say no?"

>>105369274
I've seen an amazing rig be completed in 3 days. Granted they worked on it for 3 days straight, but 99% of artists are just lazy and overcharging.

>>105368596
>we should be the only one with art by you.
Well duh, that's what exclusivity is meant for which by the way, nano herself offered to sinder and was duly paid for it.

>>105371437
>duly paid
>4k and a fig
And if you're telling someone "we should be the only one with art by you" then that's you justifying an exclusivity deal, retard

>>105371437
But that's not what happened.
She wasn't actually offered an exclusivity deal.
Instead she was given a blacklist for basically pennies. A blacklist of Sinder's friends+stalking victim specifically.

Sinder admitted she's still with Red. If you're still fighting her battles for her, you're a cuck.

>>105371893
Some of us just want to see them fight it out more.

>>105371893
I don't care about Sinder in particular, I hate shit like the hue and kraut pulled

>>105371536
>he rolled with the liar's attempt to confuse the value with decimals
3million? 395 thousand? Why did you assume it's 3.9 thousand tho? Anyways, the end result here is she got paid for exclusivity
>>105371711
You didn't even read OP

>>105371893
i don't give about sinder, i just hate how nano is getting scott-free when she is one of the pillars for all this mess. If she had said NO this drama would never had happen.

>>105354555 (OP)
From Sinder's Doccy:
>There were only four people Red ever explicitly asked Nano not to work with, with her agreeing not to.
So she still backstabbed four people, three of which were her friends. It doesn't matter that Nano gave her exclusivity later or what an idiot she is, it doesn't matter who poisoned Nano against her or how, it doesn't matter how much Shylily may have had it out for her, she still admits to the one crime of substance she's been accused of. Everything else is a distraction.

Now, in that same paragraph, she claims she wasn't aware of two of them and that was all Red, but that's still two backstabs, even if you don't hold her responsible for what her manager does for whatever reason.

>>105372539
>requiring the exclusivity deal to be honored is le bad
Why are you a woman?

>>105369389
>Granted they worked on it for 3 days straight
72 hours is 9 days of 8-hour shifts
Most riggers are not working on a single commission at a time
They are not always doing the work on-stream so you can see it

And the time it takes can vary wildly by the rigger's experience, workflow, level of quality/detail, and the amount of work commissioned (e.g. toggles, animations, VBridger rigging, etc.)

Take Laimu's rig, that level of detail and precision in tracking doesn't happen quickly.

>>105372616
You don't specify not to work with four specific people if you already have an exclusivity deal. Cleary the backstabbing happened before then.

>>105372875
>Excusing artists for being lazy

>>105373788
nigga why don't you try your hand on it?

>>105373722
>backstabbing
>backstabbing
>backstabbing
Jesas fucking christ woman. Why are all your arguments revolve around just this one concept even going the extra mile of assuming/creating scenarios with no proof. The other party is as guilty of backstabbing with the added bonus of dishonoring deals and dogpiling to execute character assassination like a bunch of queen bee cliques.

>>105372875
Anon, I do appreciate artists. But one month for a rig is absolutely bonkers. Especially if it it five figures and the one working on it is Brazilian.
Sinder basically paid for Nano's house.

But turns out that Nano is just another mentally ill western artist.

>>105374123
>scenarios with no proof
She fucking admits to it in her own document. According to her, it happened. You can claim she was backstabbing shitty people, or that the result would have been the same without the backstabbing, doesn't change the fact that she consciously and intentionally fucked people over, some of which were supposedly her friends. That's the whole case against her, conceded by her. None of this other shit matters.

>>105374288
Show me a single statement on that document on sinder admitting she backstabbed others. Not the speculative type. The direct, character killing type like what shylily and co. did.

>>105354555 (OP)
Sinder should just sue Nano.

>>105374146
>But one month for a rig is absolutely bonkers.
It's really not, especially for a high-quality one
The top riggers currently will take a month minimum
You have to understand that they are working with hundreds, sometimes thousands of artmesh layers.

The only high-profile rigger to ever make quick work was KevinX, who you might recall got into some hot water when called out for basically slapping all of his models onto a pre-made template without clarifying
Most riggers are doing each rig entirely from scratch, tailor-made to that model

>>105374638
My oshi has one of the best rigs out there. She rigs new models off stream within one or two weeks tops while streaming consistently three times a week.

>>105374786
Like the other anon said, if they're taking 1-2 weeks, she's skimping on the details.
Also it's a completely different beast when you're using somebody else's art and somebody else's character. You have to make sure you're giving them what they want and not some cookie cutter dogshit like KevinX did.

>>105374596
no vtuber will ever sure another vtuber, no vtuber will ever sue a corporation, it's just a sad fact of this industry where everyone is so deathly afraid of doxxing themselves

>>105354555 (OP)
I just hop into this thread not reading anybody just to say that this shit was relevant ages ago and now I've learnt this girl spent the last 5 months screenshotting discord endlessly just in an attempt to save her image on the internet lmao. Just grasp this level of terminally online mental illness.
I'm glad I never ever once given the slightest attention to english "vtubers" and never will, you people who care about these whore I genuinely have pity for you, you are in stuck inside of Tartarus without even knowing it. Don't bother angrily replying to me because I'd make things even sadder for my end, you poor soul.

>>105375607
tl;dr

>>105374487
Search the document for the quote:
>There were only four people Red ever explicitly asked Nano not to work with
Really, that paragraph, followed by an apology, should have been the whole of the document, as none of the other shit she bought up has any baring on that event.

>>105375388
Anon... just stop coping

>>105375698
wrong. read the dokky. canceling the models was ultimately Nanos idea. and she did not even comply with Reds requests

>>105375749
aight. put your money where your mouth is.
post one of these "1-2 week rigs"

>>105375811
go ahead and tell me how Nekrolina has a bad rig

>>105375882
Anon, it's not a bad rig, but it's also nowhere near the same kind of quality or fluidity that's expected of the higher end riggers.

>>105375810
No, Red demanded, and Nano complied, end of story. There wasn't an exclusivity deal until years later. Read it yourself:
>There were only four people Red ever explicitly asked Nano not to work with, with her agreeing not to. The first was Spite at the start of 2023. Red asked Nano himself and he told me about it after. I lied about knowing this in my apology since it was never mentioned in Nano’s or Spite’s documents. Bao, Cotton, and Silvervale were all part of their exclusivity deal in January of 2025, and each for Red’s own reasons. I was only ever aware of and in agreement of asking Nano not to work with Silver anymore. Red never told me about the other two. I am not guilty of him using his free will to push his own agenda and express his own feelings to Nano, but I understand that as my manager, everything he said to her, or anyone else, is my responsibility whether I knew about it or not. Although they were friends, it was unprofessional of him to talk gossip and work interchangeably.
Though there may have been others Red demanded and Nano did not comply to.

>>105375985
Looks better than most large indies to me when watching it move. The only thing missing is vbridger

>>105375882
Here's another example of a time consuming, high quality asset.
https://x.com/hamsterCrumbs/status/1756413726008426652

>>105376026
Nano asked for a deal of exclusivity, Red gave her what the deal would be, Nano accepted

>>105376071
Again, you don't specify individuals if you already have an exclusivity agreement.

>>105376026
wrong. Nano decided to work for Silvervale. Nano also was the one who had the artist melty. Read the discord messages instead of quoting the summary

>>105376057
sorry I should've been specific. That was Saba by Cillia. I looked up Nekrolina and it's a fine model and rig, but it's not really the same kind of project as the higher end ones like I posted.

>>105376098
So you're saying Nano didnt ask for exclusivity?

>>105376057
sorry I should've been specific. That was Saba by Cillia. I looked up Nekrolina and it's a fine model and rig, but it's not really the same kind of project as the higher end ones like I posted.
Gotta say this model is really, really cute though. Love the tail.

>>105376068
that isn't just normal rigging Anon. that is artists flexing, which usually comes at an extra cost, because it takes extra time. Nanoless was also charging extra for Sinders hand toggles. Just because one can upgrade things, doesn't mean that a basic model takes more than a month to rig

>>105376127
That's not a summary, that's the actual document.

And Red goes onto say himself in regards to Spite:
>This was the 1st of 4 total times, with 3 different artists, I had ever specifically asked anyone to not work with someone else, which are all presented in this document.

He specifically asked Nano not to work with specific individuals, most of which were supposedly Sinder's friends. Again, the only thing of substance she's actually accused of, she admits happened.

>>105376272
Anon, those "flexing" rigs are what people are paying thousands and willing to wait months for.
Those are the ones we're talking about here.

>>105376232
Later she apparently did, but that doesn't mean Sinder (or Red) didn't attempt to fuck people over.

>>105376308
the document is part summary, part commentary and mostly screencaps Anon...
They even marked the important points in yellow on the screencaps...

>>105376339
So Nanoless, with a lot of work, saying she wants to drop all of her work and screw people over, asks for exclusivity, and Red said what they would pay out for that and the deal. So NANOLESS made the decision to screw people over, not Sinder.

>>105376424
Don't forget the dozens of pages of "speculation."

>>105376453
It's fucking wild seeing even Sinder's fans going all DARVO

>>105376264
It is a cute model!
Just saying that if an amateur can rig like this, I would expect a full time artist to do a way better job within a full month.
But that value ain't there

>>105376321
Wrong. We were talking about a basic model rig with 4 arm toggles as stated within the document

>>105376453
No, Red specified the individuals she wasn't to work with before they had an exclusivity agreement. There's a world of difference between Red demanding specific individuals be blacklisted, and Nano later agreeing not to work with anyone else at all.

>>105376453
correct. and then Nano went to Lily with crocodile tears and Lily went for the throat. part from wanting to protect her friends, part from being jelly

>>105376502
I dont give a flying fuck about Sinder, shes already been burnt alive and literally does not matter. I also dont know what darvo means. But what I believe is that the people who did wrong things should be brought to justice as well, and those people are currently Nanoless Shylily and the people Shylily got to dogpile on Sinder.

>>105354555 (OP)
lying

>>105376543
never once did he make demands. learn to read.

>>105376503
Sure, if they were working on the same quality and only that one single rig for that month.

>>105376628
If you don't care about sinder, and all you care about is being "brought to justice" then Nano already was.
Hell, she was forgiven by the actual affected parties. You're just virtue signalling like some kind of twitter warrior.

>>105376638
Oh, I'm sorry, her biggest client just "asked" her not to worth with four specific individuals.

Just goes to show that as long as you're useful and in demand, people will forgive you.

>>105376678
Has Nano been dragged over the coals by the entire indie vtuber scene? I sure haven't seen that being posted on /vt/ as it assuredly would be. Not only that, but Shylily and her gaggle of gargling girls who dogpiled on Sinder sure haven't. Where is the justice?

>>105376694
thank god the dokkie has the context for that so people who actually read it won't believe that baby Nano was just ESL and did not understand that Red was holding her family at gun point. boo hoo. get real.

>>105376696
This. She makes art that vtubers want, so she gets the pass until she starts diddling kids

>>105376814
Again, it doesn't matter what kind of idiot Nano is or what she did later, the fact remains that Nano was specifically asked not to work with four specific individuals, three of which were Sinder's friends. That's the only real accusation laid at Sinder's feet, and she and Red admit it happened.

>>105376768
>Has Nano been dragged over the coals by the entire indie vtuber scene?
That's not justice, anon.
That's just being an unruly mob. The whole point was to right the wrong that happened to the affected party, not to burn everybody to the ground, retard.

>>105376628
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

>>105376924
If this is the big issue for you then lmao at your life my dude

>>105376925
What I want is for the same thing to happen to the parties who did the initial public lynching. At this point, eye for an eye, I dont fucking care if the world goes blind.

>>105376969
It's the only issue of significance in the "1000" page document. Other than cheating on her BF, it's the only thing anyone's actually accused Sinder of doing, and the only thing actionable in terms of business. Backstabbing and being a shit friend.

>>105376978
So you don't care about what actually happened and just want to be mad at people.
You belong on twitter.

>>105377061
What actually happened is that Sinder was retarded and gave power to someone who shouldnt have it, lied about that, and then was attacked by multiple people based on lies by Nanoless, with Shylily organizing a massive smear campaign behind the scenes with multiple other large streamers to get rid of competition, and then Sinder panicked again and said some stupid shit incorrectly and which wasn't true, and proceeded to lose everything. If Sinder lost everything, so should everyone else involved. That would be true justice.

>>105376978
Here we see the average pyrocuck

>>105355254
Brazilian here, I grew up consuming them and know first rate how shitty and money grabbing influencers have turned out to be over here (a very big one made north korean + soviet propaganda recently (castanhari), over a decade ago he made his career being a anti-estabilishment artist, but now he is a paid bad-actor by the very estabilishment).
So this "american bad, latino/hispanic good" aproach you trying to bring here won't work for brazilians who lurk on international communities (instead of shilling our stuff on portuguese-speaking places).

>>105377051
You are fucking retarded. Sinder was basically considered a crossbreed between Judas and Hitler before she dropped the thousand pages. But it turns out that she is just a normal jerk.
If anything it is magnituded worse to drop out of context bs to start a smear campaign and nuke someone of the face of the internet.
If you can not see how the punishment is excessive and cruel compared to Sinders transgressions then you are beyound help

>>105377051
This is one of Nanoless many lies that was disproven by the unedited screenshots, you can literally go back to read her doc and see that every single accusation she made was a complete lie, trying to imply that the problem was a deal that lasted a month and excluded three people, of which only one was actually her friend, is being retarded on purpose. Like you said, go back to twitter, retard.

>>105377272
Well, if she's been backstabbing her friends by proxy and her friends want to dog pile on her about it and let everyone know she's a shit friend, that's their right.

>>105377325
>every single accusation she made was a complete lie
You know, except the only accusation she really made, that Sinder and Red both admit happened.

>>105377272
No, now she looks like someone who obsesses so much that she writes a 1000 pages doc, an act of no sane person

>>105377479
>person loses literally everything
>they shouldn't try to defend themselves!
bro... I hope you never get into an incident with the law because if you do and don't admit guilt you're a hypocrite

>>105377479
muh 1000 pages
This is the only real criticism about it that gets repeated ad nauseum. And that argument is pathetic

>>105377462
>only accusation
There's another one here implying Nanoless wasn't the one who proposed the deal in the first place, seems like there are a lot of false accusations despite apparently only one being there. Let me guess, you think Sinder saying that she was a bad friend to Bao because Red got between them and had her excluded from working with Nanoless for a whole fucking month to be some kind of admission of some terrible crime? Again, you can try lying with the retardes on twitter instead of lying about something that is easily disproven.

>>105377585
defending or apologizing never took anyone that much. Even Bunnys all cards on the table was short and wasn't talking about less issues. Sinders manifest is not a normal defense by any stretch

>>105377721
It's even funnier since most of the pages is evidence like links and screenshots.

>>105377732
Read the doc again. Nano canceled Bao herself because she overbooked her calendar

Because being part of a smear campaign from the biggest indies in the vtuber scene is not a fucking normal situation, you absolute retard.

>>105377776
Sinder literally just dumped text logs for two thirds of the document

>>105377732
Both Sinder and Red admit to asking Nano not to work with four specific people. Sinder claims she was only aware of two of them, which is her only saving grace and is pretty flimsy, especially given she's still standing behind Red. Nothing Nano has said really changes the fact that happened.

Again, Sinder's only been accused of being a bad friend, which she wholly admits to. In most other fields that wouldn't be such a huge accusation, but when you're peddling love, demonstrating bad character goes a long way.

>>105377837
I know, I'm not talking about, I'm talking about Red including Bao in the exclusivity list he made with Nanoless, which is literally the only accuse they have and it's only from Red and it was proposed by Nanoless in the first place.

>>105377776
>>105377856
You really want to compare the scale between Sinder and Bunny? You'll lose that one

>>105377920
context is important. Nano literally asked for names

>>105377920
She admits to being a friend for reasons mostly unrelated to Nanoless doc, including not doing anything about the beef Red had with Bao. If you think that deserved or justified an attempt to destroy her career based on false accusations you're again a complete retard.

>>105377981
Lmao what, these are literally the biggest indie vtubers, the ones involved with Bunny are fucking nobodies compared to Shylily alone.

>>105376768
The only thing Nano really did wrong was go public and frame the situation so poorly, and she's probably suffered for that as I doubt how many people want to risk being cancelled because they made the wrong suggestion to her or told her the wrong thing in confidence. What Sinder did, or allowed to happen, on the other hand, was full on conscious betrayal, which tends to bring on higher PR consequences than simply being an idiot.

I suppose, in some countries, Sinder could sue Nano for ruining her business, but again, the only thing Nano actually accused her of she admits happened, so, in the US, it wouldn't go very far.

>>105377245
kk eae men
This whole Sinder deal and knowing this Nanoless person from "her previous works", that is, before I knew it was a "she" and a brazilian like me too, made me believe she might be the sort that contributed to brazilians canceling Gato Galatico (someone who started as an animator on youtube) by associating his family and his "picture drinking milk" to "nazifascism" and that his family "deserves to die" (he called out a very big leftist "brazilian hasan piker" influencer, and his whole mindshare, orbiters and stuff, attacked him).

>>105378098
>Susu a nobody
Ok buddy, I'm talking about the number of accusations which is what the length of the doc should depend on

>>105378146
>the only thing Nano actually accused her of
Bait is too obvious.

>>105378019
NTA, unironically, Red was having a hard time dealing with so many womenchild.

>>105378019
>false accusations
but she admitted to them

>>105377985
If you mean asked for what specific individuals Red didn't want her working with, yes. We wouldn't be having this "conversation" if Red hadn't named specific individuals to blacklist.

>>105378146
Nano lying started this whole shebang. Shylily manipulated things for the dogpiling and character assassination to commence denying someone's career and reputation. Now that the truth is out retards like you would repeatedly scream "backstabbing" like this damaged them like what nano's lies and shylily's whore clan did to sinder.

>>105378538
>Now that the truth is out retards like you would repeatedly scream "backstabbing" like this damaged them
But it did.
Which is why people said it since the start.

Dunno what you expect to happen from these "debates" either. The most important thing from all of this is that Sinder is a shit friend and can't be trusted with anything. No matter how much you scream or whine, people aren't going to just suddenly want to work with someone willing to sabotage her "friends."

>>105378538
She didn't lie about being asked to blacklist individuals. Both Sinder and Red admit that happened. That's the only reason ShyLily has the ammo to call her a shit friend, but whether or not she chose to do so, or whether or not Nano eventually took on exclusivity, is irrelevant to the fact that Sinder betrayed people, at least through Red.

Just because the Democrats are out to get you and framing you a villain at every turn does not mean you do not appear on the Epstein flight list. [engrish]

>>105378605
Sinder is shit but that doesn't mean nano is faultless innocent little bitch like with your statement saying
>The only thing Nano really did wrong
>>105378670
>attempts to derail thread with /pol/shit
Go back

>>105378794
>Sinder is shit but that doesn't mean nano is faultless innocent little bitch like with your statement saying
Oh I wasn't that anon, but either way the main difference between Nano's actions and Sinder's actions is that she realized things were wrong, stopped, and then actively apologized to affected parties, as well as worked to make amends.

Sinder just blamed everything on her boyfriend (who she's still with)

>>105378841
She realized things were wrong and then actively threw sinder under the bus while lying to them, she didnt apologize

>>105378893
Tho who? Sinder? You want her to apologize to Sinder?

>>105378841
The main difference is that Nano's lies cost the career and reputation of sinder while sinder's "backstabbing"/list of name was part of the exclusivity that nano herself started.

>>105378893
I know it's difficult to understand what an "apology" is, but just know that if Sinder even attempted to right her wrongs with the people hurt instead of doubling down all the time, she would've been allowed back and potentially even regained some trust with time.

>>105378945
As a start sure, also to Shylily and every other person involved. I also want Shylily to apologize for organizing a hate mob.

>>105379003
Ah yes. Forgiveness is needed in these trying times where vtubers will hold hands and sing Kumbala unlike the last time where they really need to take that 1 person down.

>>105379077
Yes, anon.
But in order to get forgiveness you need to actually admit you did something wrong and work to right it, like Nano did.

Again, not by blaming everything on your boyfriend, claiming you totally had no knowledge of what was going on, before writing a 1000 page dockey trying to drag everyone down with you.

>>105362453
Shylily said on stream shortly after that nano came to her before everyone else and that she got in contact with several others to discuss what to do

I am sorry but if Sinder was far too stupid and just screwed up her 2nd chance instead of just apologizing, address nanoless part and when she will return streaming all in just 3 pages then she doesn't deserve to continue Vtubing.

Glazing her BF while Bao and Silvervale do actual lewd content on Fansly isn't helping her case with me either.

>>105354555 (OP)
>Nanoless used that to play both sides against the middle
okay, but how does that make
>Cinder does GFE while having a boyfriend she flirts with on stream
okay?

>>105379648
Bao hasn't done shit in months though. Silvervale only ever did some nude art iirc too

>>105379648
>>105379709
Red manages her content too. Everything points to a based degenerate.

>>105379709
Well Silvervale has like a 3 minute blowjob audio for tomorrow. Bao still releases lewd content even if its rare.

>>105379648
>>105379868
>Bao and Silvervale do actual lewd content on Fansly
I'll be right back.

>>105354627
The last two 0 is decimals. it is 4K.

>>105379709
Didn't bao just do a masturbation 3D stream? How long ago was that?

>>105380079
>he fell for >>105380082
the lying latinx decimal confusion tactics

>>105380532(me)
I've fat fingered that one.
>>105380079
>he fell for the lying latinx decimal confusion tactics

>>105355361
Yeah all the big indies are scumbags, remember vexoria and her friends sent their fans to harass a vtuber and her artist, doxxed said vtuber, and swatted her all because the chick had a model they didn't like, and faced no consequences for doing this disgusting shit.

>>105356621
>vtubers like exclusivity
its closer to patronage
At least in holo (or I guess jp in general), artist mama got first offer for new projects related to their children.
You can see the same things with how jp VA voice the same character for decades

>>105355138
>The court of public opinion
ah yes
>pyrocucks
>pyrocucks
>people with a brain
>pyrocucks
great court of public opinion

Anyone with half a brain who read Nano's original doc back then realized the whole thing was a lie. But nowadays everyone just waits to get spoonfed which ever narrative makes them feel good about.

>>105381107
She didn't lie about the only thing Sinder was accused of, blacklisting specific people, according to Sinder and Red.

>>105380908
If you see more opinions in favor of sinder then that means the majority is leaning on the hard truth than the repeated "backstabbing" being parroted by the whoreclanfags

>>105354555 (OP)
All the women involved in this entire ordeal are retarded, except Shylily, who just recognized it as an opportunity to poison her competition

>>105355072
>Sinder can't overcome Lily's ironclad grip over a significant section of the indie vtubing scene
This, Shylily is an incredibly evil woman who will be getting away with this, there's nothing anyone can do to stop it

>>105381397
I recall a major accusation being that Sinder manipulated Nano into exclusivity.

>>105381403
That's what you call it when you ask an artist specifically not to work with one of your friends, and Sinder admits that's exactly what happened.

>>105381403
Anon it's an anonymous board. I could spam 50 posts and you wouldn't know it was me unless I got banned. And even then if I changed my IP I could continue.

>>105381500
Getting an exclusivity contract with Nano wouldn't be a problem.

Telling her to deny her services to specific individuals, some of which are supposedly Sinder's friends, however, is.

>>105381503
What do you call it when an artist comes to you and asks to specifically not work with your friends?

>>105381503
Your proof for this "backstabbing" is a list of names that nano herself asked for when nano asked for exclusivity. Do you have other proof beside this flimsy one?

you don't see these dramas in hololive. but you know they 100%. imagine all the juicy undiscovered hololive drama. secrets coverups corruption

>>105381549
Red asked Nano not to work with specific people before that happened.

>>105381580
Sinder's own Google doc.
>Sinder: There were only four people Red ever explicitly asked Nano not to work with, with her agreeing not to.
>Red: This was the 1st of 4 total times, with 3 different artists, I had ever specifically asked anyone to not work with

>>105381645
>whataboutism
Go back

>>105381655
lol no he didnt, Nano asked to go exclusive to drop all her jobs and Red gave what the deal would be

Only thing I'm getting out of this is Nano and Red should be shot dead

>>105381580
Red asked if she'd be willing to exclude specific individuals before an exclusivity contract was on the table, and gave names when she asked who.

>>105381713
Not according to Sinder and Red. Search the doc.

>>105381759
Read the doc, Nanoless is the one who approached them first

they should do a cage match. sinder and red vs lily nano and silver. winner takes all

>Sinder PoS
>Nano PoS
>REDACTED cucked PoS
Case closed, Sinder and Pyrocucks can go die in their irrelevancy corner without any collabs or friends once she comes back

>>105381759
What part of exclusivity did you not understand? You are even telling me that these are mere suggestions by red. Is that your great proof?

I didn't find Sinder's 1000 page doc to be credible and I still find the stuff about Silvervale to be a huge stretch with Sinder still coming off as a schizo stalker. Admittedly I didn't read the entire 1000 page doc but I read significant portions, skimmed most of it, and did not watch any summaries/drama tubers.

It's a bad document; it was padded out and struggled to tie arguments together. Even now, knowing for sure that some of it is true from Nano's confession (and fuck that "I learned an important lesson about saying no" bullshit, at least apologize properly and take a long break), I still feel the sheer length and meandering was a way of camouflaging how weak it was. Chat logs varying between between huge contiguous sections and individual lines without context, was a dead ringer for cherry picking evidence.

>>105381775
So what's this?

>>105381864
You don't ask to blacklist specific individuals when you already have an exclusivity agreement.

>>105381669
Well, we are discussing 1000 pages of whataboutism, none of which address the core accusation against her, and further, admit to it having been done.

>>105381887
years ago which was not part of the convo in January of 2025, did you read that?

>>105381912
Nano called it "exclusivity" herself. We are using this term to simplify things for people like you. It does not matter if the list is 4 people long, 1 person or all other vtubers.

>>105381876
Only part I can give credit for is that Sinder managed to convince me that Nano was also an asshole who hides behind ESL-shield.
Atleast Sinder managed to destroy one of her enemies partly now.

Silver, Spite and Shylily parts are just schizobabble BPD-speculation and honest stalker behaviour, didn't convince me that any of these people did anything wrong.
Nobody is obligated to answer your schizo DM's or shout your name anywhere, or collab with you.
RESPECT IS EARNED, NOT DEMANDED.

>>105381952
Please. Spare yourself from making a fool out of yourself more and just go back.

>>105381957
You're kidding, right?
What do you think happened between then and 2025?

>>105381957
lmao and so the goal posts move again
Piss blood schizopup

so tl;dr nano suggested SHE wanted exclusivity and was pulling red/sinder's leg about it and then turned around and accused them of pressuring her into it. she told that to lily and silvervale whom already didn't like sinder for various (justified or not, either way interpersonal) reasons, so when nano came out with her doc lily and silver joined in on dumping on sinder?

>>105382065
>>105381887
Nope

>>105382065
You forgot that the manipulative bitch shylily orchestrated the dogpiling and character assassination together with the liar nano.

>>105382104
>Schizopup the fanfiction

What I find funny is that the shylily defence force all showed up at the same time, when India woke up.

>>105382104
ShyLily wouldn't have had any ammo for that argument if they hadn't ask Nano not to work with specific individuals.

>>105381998
And Red specifically says it is not exclusivity, he wanted Nano to deny specific individuals, some of which were Sinder's friends. As Red himself states, that's very different from an exclusivity agreement, that would just cover everyone.

>>105365492
b&

>>105354555 (OP)
Shylily literally mindbroke this girl into destroying one of her best friends, and then got her to self-destruct

Shylily is legitimately saturday morning cartoon evil

>Sinder simps
>ShyLily antis

>>105354555 (OP)
Nothing will happen. She's still a top vtuber model artist so people will continue to pay her money to make more models some of which look a lot like Sinder's old models kek

>>105354555 (OP)
Anyone who isn't a sheep and who assigns responsibility to others fairly should have known Nano fucked up too. But it doesn't matter since no one sane will stop watching a vtuber just because Nano did art for them, either.

Could anyone make a list of vtubers involved in this sinder incident so that i can avoid them forever?

>>105384065
The liar Nano
The manipulative bitch Shylily
The schizo Sinder
Silvervale because fuck silver

>>105375540
I thought you could sue as a John/Jane Doe. Can you not?

>>105384065
I have some good news for you, there is already a list.

>>105371893
Lily still has a clip on her channel of her talking about wearing her 'manager's' underwear. They all have boyfriends.

>Anon go watch the indies.
>The indies in question.
Ewwww this gave me the ick for all the name evoked.

>>105386109
never liked numi always knew she was a lying bitch.

>>105354555 (OP)
I side with Sinder for staying by her man. I will not be watching her though because she is dating a male.

>>105384065
Just scroll down and look at all the blue check marks who dogpiled on Sinder when she released her original dockey. This screenshot only contains a tiny section of those who joined the hate mob after instantly believing Nano's lies. There's way more if you scroll down.
https://x.com/SinderVTuber/status/1916587357626605610

>>105386656
Vei said what Sinder should have done. It's the opposite of what she has done.

>>105386656
I knew camila was an idiot for using a clip of Wicked. The whole point of Wicked is that Elphaba isn't remotely evil and got demonized for no reason because of the color of her skin (green). That's why at the start of the movie Glinda looks nervous that everybody is celebrating her death like it's the end of some great evil, because she knows that isn't true. It's literally the worst possible comparison you could make if you don't actually support Sinder.

>>105386833
Camila's weird in that she'll instantly farm any drama that marginally pertains to her to the maximum degree possible. I know she's friends with Michi, but she literally released an entire cover against Gunrun when VShojo collapsed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jIEVop4hA

>>105386656
>a bunch of vtubers with clout ganging up on one woman even though they are not directly related to the incident
Disgusting as fuck I'm just glad that I never watched indie in the first place

>>105387016
I just hope that michi survives the mean streets of the indie scene.

>>105387543
I could even predict their next move. They will deny responsibility saying that "we don't knew nano lied that time" or something like that.

>>105386109
Holy fucking shit Pyropups are seriously just goddamn SISTERS.
What a fucking callback.

>>105387588
Nobody cares about Nano or knows who they are. It'd have more impact if they throw Shylily under the bus to cover their asses. It'd sate the dramafags and give everyone a clear place to direct their anger.

>>105354555 (OP)
Stop hiring twitch artists for models. Especially once you get big.

>>105386109
>all vedalverse fags

>>105388051
So many indie whores leeched off vedal just to gain more attention

>>105388165
Like 90% of all the vtubers that leech off of vedal are know only because vedal collabed with them or raided them out of nowhere. If not for that they all would be 10-20 viewers andies.
Sometimes I wonder why vedal makes so many no name random vtubers famous out of nowhere, maybe established big vtubers are bitchy and he wants to create his own vtuber circle?

>>105387016
that was pretty funny.
she only auditioned, got told "no" (didn't get ghosted or anything) and made a grudge song in the wake of the downfall

>>105387679
They already have Sinder.
Since, you know, her friends don't want to be backstabbed by her again

>>105388328
Doesn't really work after Nano came clean about Sinder not really doing anything wrong. Also, it's not like burying Shylily is going to suddenly bring Sinder back to prominence, that bitch is never recovering.

It's just smart for everyone involved to turn on Shylily.

>>105388359
>Doesn't really work after Nano came clean about Sinder not really doing anything wrong.

>>105356825
/thread

>>105388359
>Sinder not really doing anything wrong
lol, lmao even.
Sorry that Lily banned you pookie. No one's gonna drop her though.

>>105374638
>one guy is smart enough to use a template
>everyone else is too retarded to think of that and starts from 0 each time, wasting a lot of time instead of making a template and then using and modifying it
>the smart guy got in trouble for not being a tryhard retard

>>105354555 (OP)
>What do you call this women behavior?
winning lol
shes just using the strengths given to her by virtue of being a biological woman. its part of her kit. you dont complain when zoners use projectiles, do you, anon?

The fact that there are STILL pyropups after the first and now this google dockey shows that there is no hope for simps.
And the lack of morals or conviction is why women hate simps so much yet fawn over them for money.
This goes for all simps not just sinders.
Get some fucking self respect, jesus christ man.
Hit the fucking weights. Stop giving Egirls your wallets.
If they weren't rewarded for bad behavior they wouldn't be able to keep fucking doing shit.
I could not image the self disgust I would feel at myself if I found out my VTuber Oshi was in a secret manager bf relationship the whole fucking time and then they got a scummy artist to betray said Oshis OWN supposed friends and cancel their shit and talk badly about them behind their back and you STILL stick with her and say;
>omg but i still love you, i forgive you, keep cucking me please, i'll even defend you on anonymous imageboards
How the fuck are you retards still supporting her after a bf reveal. Neutered worms. No spine. It's no surprise they see you as nothing but wallets. Even the fucking BOOBROS were less cucked than you "people".

>>105390037
I used to like Sinder in collabs, as she made for a very good straight man routine and mother hen among the girliepops. But I've never listened to any of those girl's GFEs, they are pure comedy (hell, other than maybe Yuzu none of them are remotely attractive to me). It was funnier when their mean girl act was part of the comedy, rather than factual, so this whole thing has kinda ruined the lot of them.

Regardless of what Nano has brought to the table, it doesn't change the fact that Sinder and Co asked her to blacklist specific vtubers, which is a dick move, to say the least. Her friends had every right to dogpile on her at that point, but they didn't need to go nearly so hard. Sinder's clearly someone who shouldn't be trusted (and I wouldn't do business with Nano either), but I suspect the Pyropups are actually turned on by that. Evil sells, and it isn't exactly off brand for the hell hound, though I suppose she's lost her "mothering" card which also seemed to be part of her brand. Still, if she plays into the evil, she'll do fine. ...assuming she doesn't get nuclear doxxed by an angry fan, which is just as likely to happen to Shylily at this point, since Sinder opted to blame the whole thing on her and Red, rather than simply apologize and excommunicate.

None of this should have ever gone public, let alone be released as several thousand pages of Google docs, between the lot of them. You don't need to alert the whole fucking world when one of your friends pulls a dick move. In this scene it's irresponsible and dangerous, and if some crazed fan finds assaults one of these chicks, I hope they are all held liable.

>>105386833
You're a little slow huh? She said this about Wicked herself https://xcancel.com/cumilq/status/1975874316324794815#m

>>105390037
The whoreclan simps are worse because they are a bunch of yes men even when their favorite whore's accusation hang upon the statement of a lying latinx.

>>105390986
Kek. Thanks for the good laugh. Never saw someone doing a 360 this disgraceful. Even the replies are pointing out this bitch's hypocrisy.

>>105386109
>Buffpup
How was involved again? iirc she came in, shit on sinder pretty hard, then left. But afaik they had no real interactions prior to that?

>>105391220
Part of the whoreclan and was summoned to dogpile who readily agrees because she's a bitch

>>105354555 (OP)
So all of this was self-inflicted because Nano couldn't say no to anything? And that makes Sinder a monster somehow? What?

>>105391400
You now realize the absurdity of the dogpiling and character assassination that happened 5 months ago

>>105391400
>And that makes Sinder a monster somehow?
The whole "yes i was paying artists to not work with my friends then feigning surprise to their faces" part she admits to over and over again did that as well as the other times she fucked people over
Pyropups are laser focused on nano because the blame shifted maybe 25% off sinder for one of the multiple instances of her behavior that was outlined in the original doc drop (we didnt outright tell her to cancel bao we just kept encouraging her to for months)
Its like if someone got pulled over for drunk driving, the cops found an open container, weed in the glovebox, a kid in the back and tried to fight the cop then 5 months later we find out it was actually kratom in the glovebox instead of weed

>>105393042
The problem with your argument is the dogpiling rely on nano's dockey as crux for their witch hunt. Now that it's found that nano lied on that document, the whore clan's banner falls apart.

>>105386178
Her's didn't have schitzo one-sided beef with her friends

>>105391400
Yeah, Nano trying to exit by going public, playing a victim, and starting the whole smear campaign was peak female retardation. Just say in DMs that you're tired of their games and are quitting.

>>105395239
https://www.twitch.tv/shylily/clip/ThirstyAgreeableMacaroniHassaanChop-pFq4Nr4MZLQO53W7

Hello Ships.(???)
You're wearing my underware again.
Still.
Still! Oh.
Yeah.
I thought you...
I didn't take it off.
Oh, the mic isn't muted.
Ha?
The mic wasn't muted.
Hello. Hi. (reverb)
Good job.

>>105376272
>more advanced rigging takes more time and costs more
It's almost like that's what we've been telling you

>>105376503
Lina might not take commissions for rigging but that does not make her an amateur rigger
That model is not the work of an amateur

>>105395567
I saw clips of her from like a week ago about her openly saying how she might accidentally get pregnant, and if she does she might as well pop out 10 kids once she has one. Then when chat was question marking her she said chat is jelly because she gets laid lmao. Cucklily indeed.

>>105389596
No, it was that he was charging custom prices for what was essentially a YCH rig
In other words, a fucking scam
He would even edit the art itself in order to make the model fit his rig, which lead to his trademark "PVC shoulders" and on one Ironmouse model deleted shading details including her cleavage

Kevin's a fucking hack who got what he deserved