Thread 105438106

So, where is it? Did justice underperform that badly?

>>105438106 (OP)
It's hard to find/scout talents in the indie scene of vtubing after they raised the bar with Justice.

>>105438106 (OP)
>Mogs ALL of Saba's september streams

>>105438106 (OP)
Didn't they say they were slowing down how often they debut new Holos and are working on developing existing IPs at one point?

>>105438106 (OP)
They do this every time.
>Content drought due to everyone going to japan for fes/concert
>the only people still streaming are the newbies without 3D
>the newbies get 3D
>content drought until the next group is pumped out.

>>105438106 (OP)
Every notable talent in the indie scene keeps shooting themselves in the foot and Cover has standards. Standards that are harder to meet not because they're any greater than they were with Advent/Justice. But because there just isn't that many 'quality' vtubers out there that are willing to give up their indie independence.

>>105438106 (OP)
I have faith

>>105438193
They has already said that and released Justice...

>>105438106 (OP)
They're aiming for a winter/spring release so every single EN gen doesn't overlap anniversaries

>>105438297
tbf, they NEEDED the Justice debut after knowing about all of the upcoming graduations, I guess that's why it was rushed and not teased like Advent.

>>105438191
An un-archived stream that you can only watch live vs stuff you can readily just watch VODs of anytime. Yeah no, that's stupid comparison.

>>105438199
>Every notable talent in the indie scene
If they're notable in the indie scene already, they don't need Cover because their brand is already valuable.
So far both 1mil+ channels they've hired retired early after not streaming.

>>105438351
They hired Justice members 1 year before the gradutions.

>>105438438
You know there's a lot of time and factors that need to play out between deciding to leave and actually leaving right?

>>105438438
gura's last mv took more than a year to make

>>105438573
tbf, if they turned in their papers in like june/july and planned to leave at that point, it's entirely likely that the new debuts were completely rushed to make up for it.

>>105438106 (OP)
Cover puts more effort into odd gens, so they need some time. Once they gather all of them, they'll make EN6 their low effort gen soon after

>>105438573
You're just pushing your narrative at this point lmao

>>105438678
They didn't even wait a year between advent and justice.
It completely overshadowed Advent's 3D/anniversary and was an insane time to debut them.

>>105438667
Justice was hired way earlier

>>105438735
>You're just pushing your narrative at this point
Ironic

>>105438772
Those anons are purposely forgetting the whole "justice mission in far east"

>>105438106 (OP)
Never

>>105438772
Yes?
Anon, did you think people were implying they shoved Justice out like 2 weeks after hiring? Graduations or not they wouldn't have been set loose until they were ready.
I'm just saying it's possible that the debut process itself was rushed to get ahead of the graduations, which makes sense considering how the justice debuts were a bit less fancy than Advent or the other JP debuts.

On top of this, releasing them early would give Justice time to establish a foothold that could potentially ease the loss from the graduated members' viewers.

>>105438814
Gigi said that justice members were confirmed when they announced the fes (nov 2023)

>>105438106 (OP)
better question: where is JP7?

>>105438199
>because there just isn't that many 'quality' vtubers out there that are willing to give up their indie independence.
The amount of quality vtubers has gone down over time because even the large indies are too opinionated or fucking retarded with their decisions that they don't meet the requirements that haven't changed in ages. Not only that but the retards who don't respect changing personas that insist all content is connected means that any potential thing in any past iteration, even if they aren't a vtuber in those iterations, is still connected to your qualifications to join hololive.
Tldr, women are too retarded now to qualify for hololive.

>>105438410
There are a lot of indies in the "I can do this as a side job" range who would kill for a Hololive spot.

>>105439179
>Tldr, women are too retarded now to qualify for hololive.
lets also be real: the women who would join might as well pump and dump hololive.

>>105439234
>pump and dump the biggest corpo which keeps increasing its profits, and therefore your profits
Are you one of these retarded women

Another bait thread

>>105438106 (OP)
Hololive said they weren't going to accelerate and focus on what they had

>>105439696
>Hololive said they weren't going to accelerate and focus on what they had
Cover does want to create character brands so they can sell thousands of dollars of merch but I wouldn't take everything they say at face value. They had an 8 talent graduation wave this would be a hell of a year to put your faith in management. There is a good chance that EN5 will likely debut in the winter.

>>105440043
At least for EN, I think those graduations had been longterm planned and delayed until Justice had found their footing. So the current situation had been the longterm plan for a while now.

>>105439696
>accelerate
1 gen per year ( we don't have that) is not accelerated...

>>105438166
Is this post sarcastic?

>>105438235
Fucking Lua at a katy perry concert in her cute little uggs in 2007.

>>105438191
1 Gigi stream is worth more than 100 saba streams

>>105438196
It's almost like they should have a group of newbies ready for when the drought hits
and if Cover is reading this by newbies I don't mean more homos

>>105438106 (OP)
It’s pretty clear that Cover is focusing less on the international market and doing more stuff focused on the domestic market. I mean with the US economy magically cratering, the EU and the rest of the NA audience too poor to afford merch (SEA is even worse) that they are starting to pull back internationally and focus internally.

>>105442567
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h02554/
anon Japan's economy is not stuck in place anymore, relying on just the domestic market which is going through price hikes and other changes after decades is a risky and stupid move

>>105438235
I hate to break it to you but she's in the new phase gen

>>105441677
It's spin, it has to turn into a positive statement no matter what

>>105438106 (OP)
Oversaturated and Europe has too little paypigs.

>>105438106 (OP)
en5 already happened though

>>105438106 (OP)
It's not Cover's fault hoes can't get past the vibe check , The latest Twitch whore Google dockeys is proof of that

>>105438235
SAG HEX

>>105439190
yeah those indies aren't "notable" which means they aren't total sellouts

>>105438106 (OP)
>Foreign Expansion : Done
>Multiple time zones : Done
>Multilinguals : Done
>Singers with good voice : Done
>Unicorn friendlies : Done
>Homo collabers : Done
Aside from shutting up the peeps who kept asking "NEW GEN WHEN?" what other problem is in dire need of solving so bad they need an EN5?

>>105450324
>Aside from shutting up the peeps who kept asking "NEW GEN WHEN?" what other problem is in dire need of solving so bad they need an EN5?
The lack of actual streams.

>>105438191
Saba fell off. It's that shrimple.

>>105438191
wait are you comparing saba's streams during the cull to an unarchived celebration stream post-cull?

>>105439179
>Content is connected
I could name three things right now that FWMC literally copy+pasted from their old persona to their new. What the hell are you talking about?

>>105438191
holy based, maybe next time she will spend a little less time traveling to Sweden

>>105451334
You literally just proved my point doxxfag

>>105450324
>Multiple time zones
All gradually consolidating to Japan Time.

>>105451500
NTA but it wouldn't need to be "doxxing" if corpos weren't anal about barring talents from crediting themselves.
Thank god THAT shit broke with Niji last year.

>>105451581
Which is also NA primetime, honestly can you blame them? Kiara, ERB and CC streams at yurohours gets bad ccv and barely any supas from yuros.

>>105451782
If you support ERB or CC you deserve what you get.

>>105451699
Doki and that incident are uniroinically why it's so hard to find talent for EN5 btw
EN vtubing is dying because every indie of that caliber have been retards in public over the past two years like other anons have said

Cover appears to care a lot about subs, and Justice has been struggling there.
I don't think it's a lack of streamer thing, just cover being afraid that the fan interest in vtubing in the west is somewhat drying up.

>>105451782
>>105451581
Shiori streams at like 9-10 pm for euros consistently.

>>105438193
Yagoo said in two different investor briefings that they're primarily focusing on their current talents over debuting new talents for this fiscal year. Do not expect any new debuts for any branch until next year at the earliest.

>>105438106 (OP)
Gens don't appear until the previous one does their first Holofes you fucking dumbass

>>105452933
Advent and Justice?

>>105438106 (OP)
EN1 - 2020
EN2 - 2021
EN3 - 2023
EN4 - 2024
Going by this pattern, EN5 will be in 2026

>>105442117
Or maybe don't have all your talents wrapped up in projects at the same time

>>105438410
it's not nearly as valuable as a holo and never will be

>>105453421
Doesn't need to be.
It just has to be worth not giving up to a bunch of suits on the other side of the planet, along with most of your income.

>>105438191
>it's already been two months since the last sabadoob collab
Please doob, come back

Cover already said in their last investor call that they're planning to focus on existing talent for a while

>>105438106 (OP)
>Did justice underperform that badly?
It's not looking good to be honest, Gigi is carrying them

>>105454700
wasn't gigi's birthday/500k in sept

The number of people watching vtubers isn't increasing.

>>105441677
No.
Just look at Justice and what they can do and how much they improved in just one year in things they weren't specialized.
They're incredible if you think about it we have:
LIz with her vocals (so VA and Singing)
Cece with her creativity, rigging, playing instruments and tech stuff
Raora with her drawing and design skills
Gigi with her creativity, shitpost and RP expertise.

I'd rather have a new actual JP gen rather than dev_is and EN.

>>105439261
The profit increases as the restrictions tighten. Building a fanbase for a couple of years in Holo before getting out is the ideal situation. Any longer risks the chance of stream burnout from the horrible corpo structure.

Before the end of the year, EN5 will be announced.

>>105449428
why does it sounds like you're shooting cursed spell that makes the target sag?

>>105454700
>Ruze
>Hakka
How the fuck are the homos making that much? Arent they all 3views and 2views?

>>105457373
Just don't listen to everything they say on this board.

>>105438106 (OP)
if they had underperformed they would've rushed to shit out a new gen.

>>105439163
Probably in Japan.

>>105454700
Surprised that people are honestly that dumb to SC the holoen channel.
>>105457373
They got some actual dedicated fans. But for Ruze he had his birthday in Sept and I think that minecraft event was then too

>>105456254
People will see what they were doing as a pump and dump then which would cause them to abandon the streamer. If you are going to pump and dump any corpo do it to niji, get a fanbase, have increased numbers as an indie, then move up to a better corpo.

>>105457634
>for Ruze he had his birthday in Sept
Nigga please, birthday or not, he is a fucking homostar, those numbers are nonsensical for a 3view.

>>105462664
>bro crashing out because he got a reality check

>>105462664
Hakka and Bettel are not 3views nigga.
Ruze no idea, I just see their numbers on Holodex anyway.

>>105462664
>those numbers are nonsensical for a 3view.
anon? Are you okay? They've always had those kinds of numbers. Bettel's usually up there, too.
Even Jurard gets pretty high now and then.
Their merch sells decently well, too. Female fans tend to buy fucktons of physical merch to show off on itabags and shit.