Thread 105473124

What are your thoughts on Shiori? Be honest.

>>105473124 (OP)
She's alright. Fairly entertaining in solo streams. Not good or bad in collabs. Overall, I'd throw her on when my go-to chuubas aren't live. Also, one of the top 5 best models in Vtubing.

I have no opinion on Shiori Novella of Hololive English.

I respect her collab choices.

>>105473124 (OP)
She didn't read my fanfic because I don't have an ao3 account so it made me feel bad.
Really like her model though.

She's got a great ass

I like her

>>105473686
Quote direct from today's stream
>Sorry I do not like Dinosaurs

Love the model.

Can't stand the streamer.

>>105473124 (OP)
childlike and kindhearted

Was my oshi and roped me along for two years then rug pulled and NTRed all the novelties.

>>105473124 (OP)
Top tier porn.

>>105473722
and yet she just cant stay away from him

>>105473273
This except I think she's also great in collabs.

She's cute, entertaining, and collabs with my JP oshi.

>>105473124 (OP)
A nice thick body to squeeze

>>105474117
>avoids including collabs with him in her collab playlist
lol
lmao

>>105473124 (OP)
She seems like she'd be fun to have sex with.

>>105474293
she has a hidden playlist special for his collabs, she still shows up in his chat and talks to him

I hated her before it was cool

>>105473124 (OP)
She should stop hiding her shioreos and have them out every stream

>>105473124 (OP)
She's fine. Watched her less after her meltdown though.

>>105473124 (OP)
I genuinely think Advent and Justice are the 2 best waves they've ever hired.

Everyone there just has great chemistry, a want to stream, and great kayfabe when they wanna have it.

one of the hottest models with one of the worst people behind it, just a malicious person overall. nasty.

>>105474948
how is she malicious lmao

>>105475179
You know why, it's just her talking to a male and that's it.

>>105473124 (OP)
Needs to do dick sucking GFE ASMR because her game choices fucking suck and it takes me too long to jack off when she's silent.

>>105473124 (OP)
Beautiful green eyes

>>105473124 (OP)
Waste of a model. Would be better in niji. Autistic.
That's about it.

>>105473124 (OP)
10/10 model being used by a 2/10 person who blatantly disrespects her fans and Hololive on a daily basis. Without Hololive or her sexy model, nobody would give a shit about her.

>>105473124 (OP)
She makes some retards seeth, beyond that idk shit about her or care really

>>105473124 (OP)
A real genuine nerd (compliment)

i haven't superchatted anyone since kiryu coco

shiori novella took my second superchat virginity

>>105475491
green? anon have you ever had your eyes checked?

>>105473124 (OP)
still best model
still watch her the least of advent

>>105475712
this but 7/10 model

>>105473124 (OP)
she is good...AT SUCKING!

>>105473124 (OP)
She's fun but horrific as background noise since she does so many visual gags or says shit that requires actual focus.
I watch her vods when I have free time so I can rewind when I miss something.

>>105473124 (OP)
Homo loving shitter whore. Hope she's gone soon.

At best, I don't care for her. At worst, I think going from kissing your fans at the end of streams to male collabing when you have an ntr kink is strange.

>>105477467
i dont understand why she gave out kisses but forbad chat from kissing each other

>>105473124 (OP)
I liked watching her before she collabed with jurtard and threw her fans under the bus

>>105473124 (OP)
Worst EN hire ever made
worse than Nerissa
worse than ERB
worse than Sana even

>>105473124 (OP)
I think she’s pretty cool, I don’t watch everything she does but she’s fun to see in clips and collab appearances from time to time

>>105473124 (OP)
I like it when she is solo streaming, but I hate her collabs. She should just stay out of collabs and stay a solo streamer, its where she really shines.

>>105473124 (OP)
>NTR "Here comes the choo choo train" girl
Waste of a model. Even more so since she brought that NTR shit into Hololive rather than leaving it as an indie.

>>105478401
nope, that's CC

>>105473124 (OP)
I feel bad for how hard she cucked her fanbase

Fully agree with >>105473273 in that it's one of the best designs I've seen in vtubing. Literally feels like the goth girl aesthetic fucking perfected and I doubt we'll see better anytime soon.

As for the vtuber herself, eh.
She's pretty normie and doesn't do anything particularly interesting, also has a shrieky voice that doesn't fit the design IMO. Ironically I feel like Nerissa's VA would have fit much better with shiori's avatar.

>>105478613
I think the juxtaposition between the model and the personality is endearing

>>105477909
If I were to make a very uncharitable guess, I'd say her reasoning would be that chat getting busy with chat doesn't scratch her ntr itch.

>>105473124 (OP)
>can't sing
>can't dance
>is only here to be another ollie

>>105473124 (OP)
I still remember her "4 guys I fucked then dumped" video

>jakarta wakes up
>thread goes from "she's ok" to cuckposting
color me surprised.

>>105473124 (OP)
Crass and generally very uninteresting, her voice does not fit her otherwise top tier model. I didn't care about her at all before her homo arc and I still don't care after it. She doesn't exist for me. It irks me that someone that has been around and streaming for so long in general is still just so fucking boring.

>>105473124 (OP)
I've put her in the same tier as Ollie and Lofi, therefor she doesn't exist to me. Nice model, but wasted on her as she was only hired to shill dabois.

She made me question giving new hires a clean slate from their old persona
I'm scared to put all my trust in Raora and GG because of it

>>105479222
it's only fair, because omega collabs with females

>>105473124 (OP)
Her model is literally the only thing that carries her runt channel, she's probably the biggest waste of a good model in vtubing history. She has zero talent, has zero wit and relies on cringe one liners that always ends up falling flat and is absolutely dogshit in collabs.
She even has zero chemistry with her genmates and that just shows how much of a waste of a slot she is in an otherwise amazing holoEN gen. She's the only Advent member I'm not subbed to.

>>105473124 (OP)
graduation when?

>>105479019
>uh oh novelcuck melty

>>105478694
to me she was just being a hypocrite and still is but hey her fans are into her fetish with her so they found a place for themselves

>>105479575
Not my fault you got caught last time you made one of these threads Mr Jakarta.
>>105412968

>>105479521
She's gonna get tired of the backlash to her anti behavior eventually, just like ERB, who is likely to graduate soon.

>>105479611
I guess that's the only positive. At least cucks have an outlet of sorts.

I think she's fine, but I wouldn't watch her outside of collabs with my oshi. I find her conversation topics a bit too random and off-putting, and there's something about her voice that filters me. I'm also just not very partial to most oppai models, particularly in EN
>>105474649
>waves

>>105479453
The irony is Shiori wanted people to focus on her new "story" and not bring up her past but then she just ended up falling back into her old habits.

>>105479713
Both of those are doubtful. It's always the ones you really don't care for that end up being in it for the long run.

>>105479765
That's what I thought about Ame and she was the first Myth to quit, never say never.

I dgaf about male collabs or whatever, she’s not really my vibes, which means, for me at least, the cosplay content of her is better than her content.

>>105479713
Shiori is going to leave an easy paycheck anytime soon, she needs it to pay commissions to her friends anyway provided she pays them with money

>>105478922
its past 6 now

>>105479814
Fair enough, but I still doubt she's gonna abandon what amounts to a free meal ticket. Especially considering what she was sitting at pre-hololive. She's not FULLY retarded.

>>105479829
She made her audience like it too, which is funny

>>105480038
What some fellas will do for just a bit of pussy, I tell ya.

>>105479019
She likes cuckshit though? That's her whole brand >>105479829

shiori novella

she's a kind

sweet hearted girl

she's precious to me

i value her motherly warmth

>>105473124 (OP)
rent free in /vt/'s mind.

She's collabing with Jurard this week. That's what novelcuck like

>>105479514
This.
It's a little cliche but when I saw her debut I just clicked off after a couple minutes of listening. Her personality doesn't match her model at all, and her model is really, REALLY good. Easily the best design in her gen. Whoever decided to put the normie girl in the alt avatar is a fucking moron.

>>105480148
How is it rent free when she constantly reminds us that her fetish is ntr?

>>105480211
because you keep posting about it, instead of ignore it.
>THIS THING IS MAKING ME ANGWY RWEEEEEE
>types up another bait thread just to call other people gay

I'm a Novelite and I'm not ashamed to like what I like. I just self insert as Jurard.

>>105480328

well

i collab with females

it's only fair

>>105480328
rumao look at this pathetic novelcuck doormat

>>105480328
Based novelcuck

>>105480211
>How is it rent free when she constantly reminds us that her fetish is ntr?
Has she? Or are you just thinking about it constantly so anything she does is instantly NTR in your deranged mind?

>>105480328
I doubt Jurard would lower his standards to her level

>>105479829
Never forget.

She seems fine overall, but the "I'm so crazy!!" bit feels real forced. I don't get the sense that she's any more "unhinged" than I am.

>>105480751
Keep coping

>>105480328
Don't let them shame you king
Live your dream through the red dino if you must

>>105480030
She might be more entertaining if she was.

>>105480328
As an actual fan of Jurard, fuck you. This portrayal of Jurard is disconnected from the person that he actually is, and is just manifestation of your fantasies, painted by reading too much 4chan.
Here is what Jurard actually is like in actuality:
https://x.com/N2111021/status/1976519093093269508
https://x.com/rinjtrtwt/status/1966219812654494101

>>105480847
Who looked at all of this and thought "yeah, this is a great fit for Hololive"? Next they'll hire onlyfans girls and camgirls.

>>105481191
>friends with the doxx rabbit and helped sell doxxshit with him
>said how he wants to make fans purposely seethe by collabing with the girls on a members stream

>>105481191
What was his explanation for being the only person to stream over Aqua's graduation and then hide the VOD? Was playing Wukong really that important to him?

Novelites and whatever Jurard calls his fans really do deserve each other

>>105481234
they already did with noel and matsuri

>>105473124 (OP)
I've never watched her, maybe I should give a chance

>>105481191
https://files.catbox.moe/ssu5n2.mp4

This is your king? A guy who gloats about being closer to the girls than any fans will ever be, and he can use the hate marketing for his own good?

>>105480847
WTF wtf wtf

>>105481307
probably didn't care
Honestly more of the ENs should have since most of them have zero audience overlap or personal interest in Aqua.
If you didn't give a shit about Aqua, there were effectively no streams.

>>105481415
Can you point a timestamp in that video, where he said something bad?
for example, maybe:
"hololive talents are not who you think they are" is a frequently spread misinformation about it. If you actually watch the timestamp of it, you would realize that.

>>105481415
The fact he didn't get in trouble for this is something

>>105481191
Imagine being a fan of a self admitted holo-anti that used hololive porn images for his thumbnails in the past kek. that faggot went full mask off in his members stream that he only joined homostars just to pester the girls with his hate marketing crap and got furious that management didn't let him be on the same travel bus as the girls.
and then you wonder why hololive fans dislike the homos and their fans.

>>105481415
>>105481576
>The fact he didn't get in trouble for this is something
It is because 4chan created a misinformation narrative about it, that is disconnected from reality of what he actually said. Thats why he didn't get in trouble

>>105481610
from what I've heard even homo fans don't like Jurard so it makes me wonder what kind of a people his fans are

>>105473761
>speech bubbles are lemons
kino

Not my type of comedian/ humor. But she seems savvy during collabs, which makes it interesting to watch when she shows up out of the blue.

>>105481610
Bro, this reads like a rant of an aunt who watched too much fox news. Turn off the 4chan cable, buddy
Could you cite some sources?

>>105481628
that dino faggot admitted shortly after his debut that he had Ollie help him cheat on the application interview and he wasn't punished for that either. it just shows the homos get favoritism from management since their yagoo's pet project.

>>105473124 (OP)
homostar whore

>>105481653
same fans who like shiori apparently

>>105481653
>i heard, he said, she said
Jurard is well liked in the Holostars fandom.

>>105481653
his fans are literally mostly holo-antis and drama tourists, that's the kind of fans he was trying to farm early on with his hate marketing.

>>105478482
CC is fun to watch and actually talented. This bitch is just a retarded whore. She's more of a Twitch thot than a vtuber.

>>105481677
This. I enjoy her in GAGA or the Fanfic Club collabs, but I wouldn't watch her solo

>>105481566
>1:51
He talks about idol culture. I'm gonna be honest I think he has a point. The parasocial schizos on this board have become so normalized.

>>105473124 (OP)
I have none
She's shown up in a couple collabs and sounds like I imagine what's her face the crazy one in MHA is like

>>105481784
This. easiest way to spot a twitch thot vtuber is if they often talk in canned responses and shitty meme one liners. ERB is very much the same as her in that regard and they both always stand out in collabs where they are unable to hold a proper conversation flow like other holos.

>>105481845
Thanks for actually checking out the source! Which many people fail to do

>>105481901
>7:34
This is what >>105481415 is talking about, but the wording here is pretty bullshit and obviously spurred on by jealousy.

>>105481306
Source? The last time someone said something like that, and i asked for a source, no one responded.

>>105480847
I refuse to believe these are true just because there is no way someone would be stupid enough to put all of these out for the public to see and then join hololive

>>105482057
It just shows how dogshit hololive's recruitment has gotten through the years. They used to be impeccable but now they let trash like this slip through the cracks.

>>105482057
Considering the NTR ASMR was a bait and switch meme about pulling for a character in genshin and not getting it, you can figure out how seriously she took it.

>>105482057
There are even worse examples anon. Yes it happens.

Is /vt/ the only place where Shiori has a mostly negative reception? She seems well liked everywhere else.

>>105473124 (OP)
I will never understand why such a sweet, kind, unique person gets so much shit on this board. Obviously you can't know a streamer for real but she's always so friendly and considerate to her colleagues, she engages her chat, her streams are creative and fresh, she warned people out the gate to "respect her collab choices", what the flying fuck do you want from her?

She was apparently very sweet at the Meet and Greet at NYCC as far as I've heard

>>105482238
>sweet, kind person
sure

>>105482219
Pretty much, most people who dislike male collabs will just not watch them and that's that.
Going on a crusade and acting like it actively ruins Hololive is a /vt/ thing entirely, they'll try to show you proof about people on youtube comments and xitter also hating her but it takes one or two clicks to make a link between those posts/comments and /vt/.
This whole culture war from both beggars and /vt/ (it's not even unicorns, it's /vt/ specifically) gets so fucking tiring to the point where I just decided to ignore it and enjoy whatever the fuck is fun to watch.

>>105482238
I can agree on "unique" but it's not the good kind of unique.

Fucking S-team doing damage control and ruining the thread

Whore who ruined Advent.

>>105482219
Congrats on finding out other places are filled with toxic positivity, people don't really say what's on their mind outside of /vt/ because they'll get dogpiled by delusional zealots if you dare to say anything other than unconditional positivity about the talents.

>>105482238
baiting people with kisses and then rug pulling them with a surprise collab is certainly a choice for a "sweet, kind, unique" person

>Supposed literature nerd
>Literally never did anything book related outside of her debut
Earned my ire over that alone really.

>>105479514
Shiori doesn't have a filter because she's not insecure and afflicted with neurosis (and maybe she's had a brush with the tism, idk) so she fires out whatever comes to mind. They're not all zingers but I have definitely enjoyed a lot of Shiori's little jokes quite a bit. I think this is an overblown criticism.

Also of course she's not going to seem relatively witty when some of the EN hires have been literal comedic geniuses like Gura or Gigi. Also you're just flat out wrong about her not having chemistry with her gen. Basically go suck a bag of dicks

>>105480328
Based

>>105482001
A lot of the things people write /here/ about that menshi are heavily exaggerated or interpreting some very generic statements in weirdly specific ways that say far more about the mental illness of the people "transcribing" them than what he actually said.

>>105482219
She is definitely not well liked everywhere else, Shiori literally went on a banning spree on her own channel and twitter just because some of her fans dares to question her reason for hiding her homocollab with the dino faggot after the fact. Only reason you see it here and not anywhere else is because that whore and her fans can't do anything about it here.

>>105482101
Well, that's hard to say actually. If she didn't take it seriously, why delete the video then? If anything, it would've proven that she didn't think it was anything more than a joke. However, deleting it implies that there is something more there.

>>105482431
You're right but this place is filled with people arguing in bad faith and rampant contrarianism and pessimism. An equally terrible shithole on the other end of the spectrum

>>105482607
I'd love to see some of the "questioning" comments you're talking about. I have a feeling it was a bit more than that.

>>105482607
You also can't delete other people's posts on twitter, yet I only saw maybe 2-3 people even post anything about it and they were all blatant containment breakers except for the one guy who was going to "leave quietly" (and proceeded to have a melty)

>>105473124 (OP)
niche, super fucking sex model

>>105482654
it really wasn't. Maybe someone has them saved but pretty much anything that wasn't 100% yes was getting banned.

>>105482431
/vt/ hates everyone. I don't think this place actually likes VTubers. Especially EN ones. Only HoloJP with a few exceptions.

>>105473124 (OP)

unbelievably amazing pure SEX model, mediocre talent

>>105482471
I forgot that she literally hid what the stream was until like the day beforehand, that's fucking brutal.

You have to be a total kissless virgin INCEL to care about male collabs and be mad she isn't your girlfriend. This is neckbeard shit.

>>105482654
It wasn't more than unless you're also a toxic positivity freak that can't fathom someone saying anything other than absolute praise no matter what she does. There were many more grounded comments that weren't even negative, they were simply asking why hide the collab and they got deleted and banned instantly. It just shows Shiori is complete and utter trash both as a person and a streamer.

>>105482654
There were definitely some people being ruder than necessary, but there was also a shit ton of members who were just voicing their dissatisfaction with the fact she didn't trust them enough to not hide what the collab was until the last minute. Much like most malecollabing-related dramas that got big outside of /here/, it was more than just the fact that someone with a penis was on screen.

>>105473124 (OP)
isn't this the girl who didn't go to FES earlier this year, ditching advent's debut at the show, and had kaela fill her spot because she didn't give a shit?

>>105482936
She had surprise collabs that she didn't reveal until the day of the stream with the girls before, why did those not cause any drama if the issue wasn't just that there was a male involved?

>>105482936
she was abundantly clear in her debut that she would be collabing with whoever she wanted

>>105482876
>streamer collabs with a coworker
>WAAAAAAAAAAH I HATE YOU YOU BETRAYED ME I WANT HIM TO DIE I'M GONNA KILL HIM
>message deleted
>Why are you banning the long-time fans?

Anon if you were ever surprised that she'd collab with holostars, then you NEVER watched her and have no right to complain.

>>105482979
no she wasn't lol. She literally could've just say "I'm going to collab with holostars at some point" and that would be it but she didn't do that. She made a statement that could be interpreted in different ways and that was dumb as fuck on her part.

>>105482999
All you're saying here is that you're a retard with zero reading comprehension if that's what you picked up from that comment.

Why are you guys so mad that she collabs with men? You aren't dating her and never will. You're just a bunch of incel virgins that haven't even been on a date and therefore hate women. Quit pretending these women are your girlfriends. It's weird, parasocial shit.

>>105482974
Examples? I don't recall that happening with any other collab stream except BRICK.

>>105473124 (OP)
I don't think about her at all, I'm being honest

>>105483015
What a manipulative whore

>>105483046
Don't have the exact schedules on hand because it's ben well over a year, but she did it previously with ERB, another with Kiara and I'm fairly certain there was at least one other.

>>105481653
>I've heard even homo fans don't like Jurard
You've heard wrong. Some people didn't like him around debut, but he's been generally well-liked for a long time now. Jurard had some rough moments early on, but he grew up a lot and is mostly just focusing seriously on projects these days. He gets a bit immature sometimes, but he's come a long way from those first few weeks.

>>105483046
look at her schedule this week

>>105483015
Her exact words were "with whoever I want", you don't need any clarification further, there is no 'interpretation', zilch. The idea that she NEEDS to specify that she will collab with men so that her neckberad manchild audience won't throw a tempter-tantrum is fucking insane. If you watch >>105481415 Jurard himself even says he thinks it's funny that her audience gets upset and thinks of him as "competition" like he even has a chance as well.
Absolute state of >>>/vt/

>>105483134
nope, stop being a woman and just say things clearly. It makes things easier for everyone.

>>105483182
How much clearer can you get than "with whoever I want"? Why do you think she needs to add a caveat for men? The jealousy and parasocial schizo behavior here is way too normalized.

>>105483134
Look at the difference between her and ERB, faggot.

>>105483040
The comment was disingenuous to begin with.

>>105473124 (OP)
dogshit voice
dogshit personality
sounds and acts 250 lbs

>>105483202
and "with whoever I want" can mean lots of things. Family members? Indies? Normal streamers?
There will always be some people who will give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't mean homos.

There would be no problem if she just made it clear from the start. It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

This thread is full of seething incels

>>105483130
What about it? If you're talking about "?????" then that could be anything. The problem with the "BRICK" collab is that it wasn't in question marks, and it was named "BRICK" the entire time on that schedule. When people asked what it was, she just straight up ignored them and didn't say a word about it, only putting up the frame and staying quiet until the stream went live.

>>105483249
Unless you yourself are jacked you don't get to dunk on people for being fat

>>105483279
>and "with whoever I want" can mean lots of things
Are you hearing yourself? It means one thing. Whoever she wants. That includes all of the above. It is that simple. Are you ESL or just being pretentious? You either don't understand what this means, OR you're just being disingenuous because you feel like she owes you some kind of apology.
>There would be no problem if she just made it clear from the start.
You
Are
The
Problem.

>>105483202
>>105483279 (me)
also she didn't collab with them for a year and a half so some people I guess were convinced that she didn't mean homos.

If she did mean homos then isn't it strange that she pretty much ignored them for a year and a half?

>>105473124 (OP)
I used to love her, she was my favorite member of Advent and I'd watch all of her streams. Then she moved all of her streams 6-8 hours earlier and I haven't been able to watch her since.

>>105483386
In that same debut stream she also outright said it takes time for her to get to know people, at the same time she had her first homo collab she also started collabing a lot more in general.
It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together if you're not arguing in bad faith.

>>105483233
Do tell toxic positivity cuck, what comment that criticizes her do you not consider as disingenuous?

>>105483386
You're overthinking something she didn't even gloss over. The difference of time it took has more to do with the relations of her and the co-worker, schedules, etc, more than anything else. It happening in the first month or the first year is absolutely inconsequential. And she's been very vocal about shyness and having difficulty organizing collabs in the first place. I think you're just trolling atp.

dumb bitch who ruined her life with guys who pumped and dumped her number 56075450

>>105483386
You are arguing with a delusional faggot, just ignore them. No what what you will say he will always try to twist it in her favor and defend that whore even if she told him to humiliate himself publicly on cam for her entertainment.

>>105479713
You're delusional if you think ERB is going to leave a job that can get her serious music industry connections because the same people whose opinions she's been disregarding since debut continue to send her the same dumb tweets and comments, in dwindling numbers with each passing month. People barely even bother to fake outrage about her collabs /here/ at this point.

>>105483560
Where is the delusion? The only delusion I see is getting upset over a collab. She's not your girlfriend and never was. Neither is she Jurards. Jealousy is always rooted in insecurity. You get upset because you think of him as competition. It's just fucking sad, man.

>>105483579
What collabs? That bitch is completely isolated in her own twitch corner and barely has any presence at all so she's easily forgettable.

>>105483466
Nah, you're just giving her the positive interpretation of her words and I am not.
Again this would not be a problem if she made it clear like ERB.

>>105483579
ERB was already famous before joining Hololive

>>105483134
her thread used to defend her against 2 more weeks posters but it actually happened so yeah

>>105473124 (OP)
Judas.

>>105483648
She was "famous" in the sense that Mori was "famous" before Hololive. Only with a very specific audience.

>>105483647
>positive interpretation
>whoever I want
You are looking at it through a negative interpretation. If you feel that she needs to spell it out so you won't get your bubble of insecurity hurt I suggest turning off your computer and growing some thicker skin.

>>105483319
/2mw/

>>105483647
See? I told you you're just wasting your time with that faggot. Shiori could tell him to go kill himself and he'll tell you she actually meant something else.

I hate you parasocial incel losers so much

>>105473124 (OP)
this bitch got railed by 4 guys and it still wasn't enough to satisfy her thirst
https://files.catbox.moe/840hcp.mp4

you must really hate yourself then huh

>>105483884
femcels
do
not
exist
retard

>>105483751
>>You are looking at it through a negative interpretation
There would be no need for an interpretation if she was clear. Leaving things for interpretations only makes things worse and heck I was never even a Shiorii watcher at all. I bailed on her after her debut but lots of people didn't and defended her just like >>105483726 said.

There were lots of disappointed novelites or whatever they are called when the collab was confirmed and all of that could've been avoided and she just specified what she meant with that statement.

Either she was ignorant of how Hololive operates and what it's culture is or she was just dumb (probably both).

>>105483461
>Do tell toxic positivity cuck
And you're still not arguing in good faith.

>>105483950
they do but the definition is a bit different. They can get sex but can't get or stay in a relationship.

>>105483991
Knew you'd instantly fold from that question, I accept your concession

>>105483995
again. they don't exist because it's so fucking easy for even the ugliest, most mentally ill woman do date above their league. women will never know the utter loneliness of a short, ugly, autistic male (of which they'd reject anyway)

I like her. She's a dopey retarded woman who likes dorky shit. Perfect example of an actually attainable weeb girl in the west who isn't completely poisoned by social media.

I don't know why I expected this thread to be anything other than thirdie incel seethe yet again

>>105483995
>They can get sex
Anon, the whole point of an incel is that they want sex and can't get anyone to give it to them (without money, at least). If you remove that from the equation you're not describing anything remotely close anymore.

>>105483965
>I don't even watch her
>but NOO "whoever I want" isn't clear enough, you NEED to spell it out
Fuck off with your devils advocate parasocial nonsense you stupid twat.

>>105483965
>if she was clear.
She was clear.
"Whoever I want" is "whoever I want."
There is no "whoever I want but not boys eww gross" or "whoever I want but ONLY women"
>I was never even a Shiorii watcher at all.
Obviously. She brought up the holostars at least once a week, so why would any viewer think she wouldn't want to collab eventually?

It's why the "long time members" are so hilarious. They claim to be long time viewers, but they never watched a stream?

>>105484090
You're being just as parasocial trying to defend her, she's not gonna fuck you for being her white knight little novelcuck

>>105479713
>She's gonna get tired of the backlash to her anti behavior eventually, just like ERB, who is likely to graduate soon.
Nigga all the homocollaber survived the onslaught. It's the perceived unicorn ideals that graduated and fired.
It's extremely strange when people say this shit without pattern or proof. Almost like a false flag really.

sorry guys

>>105483991
lmao the novelcuck couldn't provide any proof

>>105484133
>she's not gonna fuck you
Hilarious coming from someone who gets upset she collabed with a male. This is a self report and I hope you know it. You are talking about yourself right now.

>>105484133
>she's not gonna fuck you
NTA but the fact that you think this is somehow an "own" is just plain funny.
Is this the most scathing comment you can imagine? That everybody else must be as obsessed with fucking the streamer as you?
Might as well say she'll never shine your shoes or forge you a sword.

i collab with females

it's only fair

>>105484169
I never said I was upset with males, you just did though, This is a self report and I hope you know it pathetic little novelcuck.

>>105484193
>I never said I was upset with males
>complains for an hour that she needs to specifically mention if she will collab with a man
The disingenuity is baffling, you're clearly becoming undone. Just close the thread and fuck off. You even admitted you've never even watched her, you're just here to complain and whine.

>>105484183
It's such a weird argument. Stupid fucks talk about this shit all the time because a chunk of the fags here are entirely here because they are so deep in it they can't fathom their girl not sucking them off daily.

>>105484193
>I never said I was upset with males
ah yes, you're simply upset that she didn't write a 2000 word essay describing exactly who she would and wouldn't collab with.

>>105473124 (OP)
I don't watch her, but she makes the unis and the people who unironically call men "males" and women "females" conversationally seethe so she's a-okay in my book.

>>105484223
You are talking about yourself right? I literally just got here and saw you white knighting for someone that doesn't even know you exist as if someone offended your wife. Maybe you should take your own advice.

S-team trying their best to make Shiori appear likable at all

>>105484080
incel yes, Femcel is more about relationship and not sex.

>>105484265
Femcels aren't real, women just refuse any man that isn't Chad

i met shiori in real life

she's cute

she's a bit gloomy, but i like her character

>>105484260
>saw you white knighting
NTA but anon, making fun of hypocritical seething SEA shitters is not "white knighting."

>>105484291
the outcome is the same. No relationship.

we played chess together

>>105484260
>as if someone offended your wife.
Notice that you use this terminology. It shows exactly what kind of headspace you're in. You can't be fucking normal and think of everything in relationship dynamics. You use the term 'white-knighting' whilst also saying that you just got here and thus admitting you don't even know the context of the argument you're replying to. I'm tired of weird parasocial freaks chimping out at idols because they talk to men. It's just fucking gross. If that's white knighting then pass me the sword my nigga.

>>105483965
>>105484093
>She brought up the holostars at least once a week
novelites hlgg even numbers were convinced it was not a homocollab untill it actually happened

>>105484265
>>105484291
>>105484080
sex is $20 incels could get it if they want

i love my crush, shiori novella

i want to meet her again in real life

>>105484300
That's not what it looks to me, dude seriously sounded offended someone dared to say something about someone that doesn't even know he exists, it's just pathetic.
And then he has the gull to tell people to leave the thread instead of doing it himself, the projection is strong with that mindbroken cuck.

>>105484300
Also NTA it's worth to make fun of these retards in these absolute useless threads

I'm just pointing out that it's funny that this thread was extremely slow before SEA hours started

i want to play with shiori novella in real life again

i want to feel her presence again

>>105484322
Case in point, instead of leaving he's now just having a melty because I called him a white knight and parasocial.

>>105484337
it's not the same

>>105484354
90% of the parasocial chimpouts are from third world SEAposters.

I don't watch her often but when I do she reminds me of the 'goth' girls back in high school years ago. Not the archetypal goth, but the posers, who are unhinged spastic self inserters like her. Real nostalgic

shiori novella does have a good body, and face, and aura / personality in real life

>>105473124 (OP)
Without her model, nobody would care about Shiori. Nobody did before, and nobody will after she leaves Hololive. She's more known through fanart than her streams and clips.

>>105484370
This is just bait. She's not your girlfriend and she doesn't need to send you a handwritten letter that she will stream with men. Get over it dude. Stop being such a loser.

>>105484399
She's not your girlfriend either but you're defending her as if she was, you have no idea how pathetic it looks dude you are just a parasocial freak that can't handle the fact there are people who simply don't like her as a person and instead of leaving you are projecting your parasocialism on others.

>>105484399
nta but sure she doesn't need to do that but then she should expect a pushback.

>>105484433
>telling other people they are weird for chimping out at her streaming with men
Ah, yes, I am the weird one.
Carry on, kek.

>>105484444
Why should she expect a pushback for doing a collab with a guy when she specifically said in her debut that she would collab with whoever she wants? This is toxic idol culture.

i want to meet shiori novella again in real life

but we both have busy schedules

you guys need to find a different woman

>>105484478
and saying "whoever I want" is not enough. Nerissa knew it, ERB knew it, Shiori somehow did not (again dumb or ignorant).

>>105484502
It's plenty enough. You shouldn't have to compensate for those kinds of people. They can go find a GFE chuuba if that's what they're after.

>>105484449
I'm glad you are seeing how that comes off as you projecting your parasocialism on others, hope you get over your pathetic delusions of white knighting random girls on the internet.

>>105473124 (OP)
She threw away something special because she has a cuck fetish and got horny then became very spiteful. I don't like her.

>>105484542
You do realize that you getting upset over her collabing with men is exactly that, right? I hope so. The idea that it's "white knighting" to call out your schizo attachment issues is beyond silly. "With whoever I want" is clear enough. Get a grip.

>>105484525
No it literally is not.

> They can go find a GFE chuuba if that's what they're after.
She didn't say that she was going to collab with males and was giving novelites kisses as far as I know. That's plenty enough for the gfe people to watch her. All she had to do to avoid it is to make her statement clear.

i wish i could just say that shiori is mine, but her feelings for me could have changed recently

>>105484337
whores are way more than $20 and are illegal in most of the USA, plus who wants to fuck some blown out whore that deep down hates your ugly ass and has zero attraction to you plus you have to wear a condom

>>105484593
>with whoever I want
I don't know what you were expecting, kek

>ITT
>2 retards argue in bad faith from both sides somehow
>1 namefag is roleplaying
>all the novelites are still on tower
I remember when there used to be fun threads on the catalog...

>>105484311
Women date out of their league all the time

>>105484585
I never said I was upset with her collabing with males though, you did. You are just projecting your insecurities on others and lash out at people who simply don't like her for other reasons without realizing that you are projecting your parasocialism on them.

>>105484644
>you did
Where? Quote me. You're just making shit up, you weren't even in the thread 15 minutes ago.

>>105484354
A lot of Shiori hate posts are spammed by one SEAschizo who tries desperately to pass himself off as multiple people.

>>105484502
>>105484093

>>105484478
If she didn't want the toxic idol culture, she shouldn't have joined Hololive

>>105484686
well what can I say to you. I guess let's just agree to disagree.

>>105484686
Not only are neither of those posts mine, I was disagreeing with the person in the first reply. Buy some glasses before accusing people of random shit.

>>105484711 (me)
>>105484686
also if it was enough then there would be no backlash and no one would mind her homo collabing but that was not the case so interpret that however you want.

>>105484653
Literally in the first sentence of your previous reply dumbass, you have this weird hyperfixation on her collabing with males and then inserting it into any comment about her that didn't even mention them at all. It just comes off as you projecting your insecurities onto others and then act all white-knight-like to show how "normal" you are while you are probably just as parasocial as the bogeyman you're calling out if not even more parasocial than them.

>>105484617
you just said you wanted sex, if you want anything more then fucking say it
spell it all out exactly what you want
you wont because you know it makes you look like the little bitch you are

>>105484775
You jumped in the argument when the other anon stopped replying and then act surprised when you get treated as if you were them.
Take a fucking hike you schizoid.

>>105484790
how about I rape you

>>105484796
You really want people to stop talking about Shiori huh, Parasocial freak? It's hilarious how you idiots always try to overcompensate your insecurities by projecting and lashing out at shitposters and trolls in these threads kek.

>>105484837
I'd ask where you get that impression but it is painfully obvious you're just here to troll and project your own insecurities on others with reddit armchair analysis.

Reading this embarrassing thread and realizing that you can't criticize vtubers or you will be called an incel. All you had to do is just explain things jeez idk in the way normal humans do when they are like yes I will be collabing with holostars. Blaming schizos for every negative comment against your oshi or whatever she is to you is naive. If you want to keep watching a dishonest person who can't even respect her fan base be my guest

>>105484901
>"whoever I want"
>dishonest
This is why you get called a schizo. Where is the dishonesty?

>>105484871
I mean just look at how over defensive your replies are and how you want me gone all the time, if you weren't parasocial you would've left this thread a long time ago kek. I am merely having a good time making fun of grandstanding parasocial retards like you because it's always hilarious to me how oblivious you are to the fact you are the same if not worse as the ones you criticize.

>>105484901
>If she doesn't explicitly state "I will collab with Holostars" immediately when she debuts, I will seethe endlessly about it if she ever does
>But don't call me an incel for doing that, that's cringe!

>>105485024
>want me gone
Where is this being said? If you aren't the same person who said they don't even watch her then why even engage in the argument? You use the term "grandstanding" as if you aren't just here to argue in bad faith because you have nothing better to do. You misquoted who you thought I was and decided to carry on anyways. Talk to yourself, retard.

>>105484924
I'm not even the same guy you were talking to. You are just being an ass, even more than that pathetic since you can't get over people not liking her

>>105485082
That's exactly the problem, you're just stirring shit because you're bored.
>since you can't get over people not liking her
That has nothing to do with it. It's about people like >>105484901 >>105484502 and >>105483279 being toxic incel freaks who thinks she owes them an apology for streaming with a guy.

>>105485047
I don't want to have sex with her or anything else so you aren't even using the word incel right lol. She has weirdo fans like you but yes everyone else is in the wrong and you are right

>>105485061
You just did the exact same thing kek, thanks for proving my point I accept your concession.

this whole thread is literally just two guys going
>no u
>actually no u
at this point

>>105485139
Have sex, incel.

>>105485125
if that is what you got from my explanations then I guess you're just retarded.

>>105485149
I hope your day gets better, parasocial freak :)

>>105485174
The only parasocial freak here is you.

>>105485125
>>105485163
Not either of these two anons, just chiming in to say that holy shit this is the most retarded argument I've seen in a while, somehow both of you manage to get the entirely wrong point form each other's arguments.

>>105485125
I'm the same person who made the long post about this embarrassing behavior. Talking to you is giving me a headache. You are just repeating the same thing that you have Said to other people that are "incels"

>>105485195
>You are just repeating the same thing that you have Said to other people that are "incels"
It's hard for retards to grasp that she isn't your girlfriend and doesn't owe you an apology.

>>105485195
That little parasocial kid's been calling people incel left and right thinking they're all the same people, just let that retard drown in his sorrow he's even worse than the ones he's crying about.

>>105485131
I'm not even a fan, I'm just laughing at the idea that people calling you an incel is somehow more cringe than going on rants about a content creator not giving her fans explicit notice in her very first stream that she was going to be in a discord call with a man like two years after she debuted. How dare she not be totally specific about her plans!

>>105485236
>criticizing toxic idol culture makes you worse because.. UHH.. it just does, okay?
Log off.

>>105485243
yes that is the purpose of debuts. Setting expectations.

>>105485277
You might not believe this, but plans often change over time.

>>105485195
Case in point, he's so angry that he can't fathom he's just a shithead pretending to be normal when he's just a pathetic little parasocial white knight for some random internet girl that doesn't even know he exist kek.

>>105485291
then you shouldn't ban people/members for simply asking about the change

>>105485308
Sucks that you got banned. You're probably better off if you're still seething about it. Move on.

>>105485236
I wish that vtubing didn't get weirdos like this lol.

call it
gaslight me into thinking ill get something good

>>105485320
Special Week

>>105481306
Bro, why do you guys like to generalize one person's behavior to an entire ethnicity? just because doxx rabbit is a flip doesn't mean jurard is a doxxer too. if jurard were really a doxxer like you say, he would've recognized Bae when they met in irl instead of trauma-dumping and embarrassing himself in front of her.

>>105485131
>everyone else is in the wrong and you are right
>everyone else
Her numbers didn't drop at all since the collabs started, and hell, they might've even increased.
These alleged unicorns apparently don't watch streams, nor do they buy merch, so where exactly is this "everyone?"

>>105485338
i hope you get ass cancer

>>105485277
She did. She set them extremely clearly.
She went off for a few minutes and clearly laid out her plans
1. She wasn't going to collab much
2. She only collabs with people she's had time to know beforehand and likes
3. She'll collab with whoever she wants.
4. If you can't handle these points, you should probably leave.
See, the problem is anons think "leaving" means "flooding her channel with comments calling her a whore for talking to a man on stream"

>>105485443
KEK

>>105485372
Your boring me its not about numbers its about how you treat people. If you can't even understand that then there's no hope

>>105481306
Don't you think it's unfair to generalize an entire group based on the actions of a few? It would be like comparing all white people to Hitler or all East Asians to Kim Jong un which wouldn't make sense or be fair.

>>105485458
She treats them fine, anon.
You twisting her words and setting false expectations isn't her "mistreating" you.

>>105485447
Nope. Not gonna explain it for the tenth time.
Nope.

>>105485510
>No you see "whoever I want" doesn't mean "whoever I want" it actually means "specifically not Holostars"

>>105485510 (me)
>>105485447
fuck it, last time.

If she did set expectations extremely clearly then there would be no backlash and no disappointed people.
The outcome is that there was backlash and there were disappointed people therefore her statement was not clear enough. The result speak for itself. It's that simple.

>>105485571
>"i will collab with whoever I want"
>"ok"
>collabs with whoever she wants
>wtf why are you doing this

>>105485492
Bro I read the comments of actual fans of her saying they were gonna go. You actually are a disingenuous person

>>105485599
yup, not clear enough.

>>105485571
>"regarding collaborations..."
>"i will be collaborating with friends and people who may be potential friends"
>"now this is possibly quite rare"
>"simply because i have to study people"
>"i have to study characters to understand them"
>"the more likely- the more often you see them the more likely they have reached friend status"
>"but you won't really know unless i mention so"
>"so please respect those around me, okay?"
>"you wish to be a good boy for me, don't you? or perhaps a good girl?"
>"i will not tolerate disrespect after all"
>"so please be kind! kind to each other, okay?"
>"i just want all of you to have a happy ending"
>"and i wish for all of you to simply smile"
>"and if i'm not the one that can make you smile that is okay"
>"i just want you to be happy, even if i may not know you personally"

How much clearer does it need to be? It's pretty fucking explicit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwGAcKnE-y4&t=2550s

>>105485608
>actual fans of her
>just ignored the dozens of holostars mentions and references and raids she did every week
>somehow still surprised she did a collab
>But you're the disingenuous one

>>105485720
NTA and I agree with you, but she didn't start doing raids until after the collabs.

>>105485694
how much clearer? Simply watch Nerissas or ERBs debut to see.

How many more times are we going over this loop that goes nowhere?

>>105473124 (OP)
Burned down half her fan base and ruined her general threads for no reason at all
Such a shame

>>105485779
Probably however many times bvtm needs content for his monetized twitter

I think you guys should kiss

>>105473124 (OP)
how the fuck is this a 300 post thread already i cba reading

>>105486095
Because 2 guys kept going on a loop and somehow both managed to be in the wrong and reached no conclusion

>>105486134
just another day ending in y