Thread 105654604

Thoughtsm

>>105662508
I can confirm :c

>>105654856
I hope not

>>105662508
Mine on the left

Good morning shoggas, qrd on the stream? Anything worth mentioning?

>>105662957
She wrote a goofy song about bees, played Fortnite as her husbando Jason Voorhees, played some more Yakuza 0, then read more of the girlslop novel. Nothing really controversial.

Wonder who got hit this time

>>105663470
Get a hobby, FF.

>>105663560
Banning p2faggots is a great hobby

>>105663611
trvke

>>105663470
Give an update if you know

https://x.com/CursedVideos/status/1951047594525814828
@all, thoughts? Your opinion is greatly appreciated and wanted

Reporting like this, several people across a few dozen messages. More might fall in the coming days haha lol

>>105663859
kitty just chilling

LOL Null spanked FF on farms by calling him an attention whore

>>105663859
Satan begone

>>105663980
Y so mad

>>105664134
That cat is diabolic

>>105664564
I don't believe it

>>105664593
all cats are diabolic

>>105664751
...

So where are we? Any closer to feet?

>>105663970
Null has spanked FF her dereking her regulars than Shondo has.

>>105663970
Null has spanked FF harder than Shondo has for dereking her regulars.

>>105664815
6:46:10 left approaching the 35,000 goal. (live2D costume vote).

They'll be a push to extend it a bit on Sunday into Monday but I expect the Shondothon to end on day 6. It's possible that all of the regular goals could be met but I doubt any of the stretch goals will be met. Feet goal appears to be improbable without a miracle. Sorry.

you faggots would have forced a month and a half long subathon back in the day.
Now all you do is try to namefag and argue with other namefags like a bunch of teenaged women. But you're all 30+
And if I didn't add this last part some faggot namefag would be pretending to be another namefag call me a different namefag
kill yourselves.

>>105665137
im sorry but I am jobless

>>105665137
You mad?

>>105665003
NBG is LTD, not FF.

I can't prove it, sorry.

>>105665003
>Shondo thread
>All he talks about is random community members
Josh should have banned him. Fucking retard.

>>105665137
piss and shit lel

>>105664751
A jew made this post

>>105665137
She turned off her regulars for the past year and especially in the last 3 months

>>105665305
>>105665137
samefag

>>105665137
why do you care?

>>105665510
i want to see the shonfeet ;_;

>>105665594
then pay up and stop blaming others

>>105654856
Better not. His fan base is terrible.

>>105659132
Her beta followers are stupid is why

>>105665662
His?

Shondo should play the I Spy Treasure Hunt video game where you are near the ocean and look for pirate treasure

>>105665618
>when there's no one to minimod and fight with in discord so you're forced to do it in /shon/ instead
fucking kill yourself noncium lmao

>>105666389
ayo the venti bussy lipstick guy?

Anybody else thinking that when the other day she talked about the rape corner in the bathroom stall in Yakuza she was talking from experience?

>>105666707
yakuza are so fkn lame lol, they are like a protected species that would crumble if they had to compete with literally any outside influence.

>>105666731
Anon are you ok

https://files.catbox.moe/bj0klo.png placed another cute shondo on the map

>>105666734
it's my professional opinion, the yakuza are sheltered and literally any shit gang of drug addicts would be able to destroy them. highly overrated. anyway, i guess i understand why people like FS are drawn to such a piss weak nation

>>105666777
Holy Sage-chama, I kneel!

>>105666777
any random gang would be obliterated by the police. the Yakuza's strength does not lie in their brutality, but in how deeply they are integrated into the fabric of society.

>>105666837
That is my point, they are not some awesomesauce crime syndicate, they are just random normies with a "vibe" which informs a "structure" that survives due to no competition. struggle breeds evolution and strength, and the japanese are very sickly.

Bro I can go down to the pub right now and look at a trophy katana from some nip officer, thats all the japanese culture I need, personally.

I love her!

the immigrants to japan are a good thing. it is their test, either they become stronger and remove the immigrants, or something else is born from the remains. they lost ww2 because they were isolationist, basically incel neets, for such a long time that they needed whites to introduce modern civilization to them. the woman called fallenshadow is a prime example of the zombie corpse that is post nuke japan. nothing traditional about them.

>>105666707
Yes

>>105667154
damn you really hate Japan and also have a really fucking bad read of their history

Q is like those pedo priests with a conversion fetish trying to entice japanese peasants, lol, probably just as weak and cowardly too

>>105665449
Wrong

>>105666777
If they get involved with shondo while in japan i'm crushing them

>>105667242
He's right in everything except the idea that them removing immigrants from their country would be a good thing. The system they adopted requires an influx of worker immigrants to be treated as third-grade citizens; without it, their civilization collapses on its own.

>>105667250
Jesse

>>105666916
See your thesis is wrong though because pettier gangs were historically suppressed by yakuza dominance, and now that the yakuza's fading away due to anti-mafia legislation, only now are those lesser (often foreign) criminals able to gain ground

>>105655628
she should play it again

>>105667242
japan lost ww2, the Eternal Anglo-Saxon won. why? because the parts of their culture not borrowed from china are that of retarded tree people. their entire way of war is inferior, they have no soul, or any driving fire. basically they would rather stay at home, safe, and do the same mind numbing autistic routine instead of raiding neighbouring tribes.
>>105667321
you can change systems whenever you want. there is always hope if you have fire. the immigrants will likely inspire some soul of cinder shit in the starved nip and they will finally grown up like Aryans did thousands of years ago. competition

When does she start today?

>>105667355
Those pettier gangs were just retarded drunkards, they don't compare to the cartels we have in places like in America and Mexico. If real gangs arose in Japan their police force would spare no expense in getting rid of them, bystanders be dammed.

>>105667394
exactly, i will rape fallen, the inferior japanese "man" would only do some shit like touch her butt like nina and that's only if she bothers wearing anything besides her incognito hoodie, whereas i, the white man, will just plant my seed in her like a real man

>>105667394
> competition
Why compete in the first place? You'd just be hurting yourself in the process.

>>105663930
>got so assblasted about being called an attentionwhoring faggot by josh of all people, that he started rage reporting everyone
LMAOOOOOOOOO you're such a worthless bum

>>105667651
Was nina groped?

>>105667785
no

>>105667831
how do you know that?

>>105667899
psychic

>>105667935
can you use your psychic powers to fix the situation?

https://files.catbox.moe/bgngqd.png i wish giru lewded shondo as often as she does with alice

The timer shouldn't count down while she reads that novel at night, or any of the other activities she does because goals were met.

The discord is about the bee gone

>>105668471
discord was a mistake

>>105667774
jesse

>>105668493
it's really convenient how she omitted the fact that the girl was unconscious, pernicious bitch

>>105668493
fucked up, I wonder if discord support would help her

>>105668493
should have kept quiet, tweeting that will just incite kiwifags to look at her Discord history to find more out of context things to report.

>awake
>doesn't announce stream first thing
Lying avoidant whore

>>105668699
the worse it gets the easier it will be for her to do something, it's a blessing in disguise, shondo will only learn the hard way
>>105668704
don't worry she'll be sucking your dick on stream for free all day anyway

>>105668775
These people hardly learn from being punished. They just see themselves as victims in the sea of ideological freedom
>wtf i can't be a pedophile? 1984
>discord, fix this! RAGEY

>>105668704
It's real, got a third email. Any idea who the other two I hit are yet? There were so many it's hard to keep track

>>105669083
i'm not on your side, kill yourself, you've done more harm to actual children in your internet crusade than she ever has

Are we gonna pretend that this isn't suspicious as all hell? That was his last tweet. He replicated something that Shondo would make on a kitchen countertop that looks just like hers and then he left.

>>105669083
she's actually the victim in this situation

>>105669197
reps

>>105669197
NGB = NotGrackleBones

>>105668493
Talking about kissing a defenseless little girl when she was sleeping even when you were also a little girl encourages that behavior, the warning is deserved and a ban should follow soon.

>>105669118
Meds? Also she has a wider audience than anyone here, by encouraging lolicons and entertaining it she might've directly played a role in loliless' actions
Meds (again)
>>105669197
I forgot about him

>>105669308
>>105669344
source: your ass
meanwhile the damage to her family with minors is very real and measurable

>>105669308
True

>>105669366
My source is that she did it and I want to do it after reading her little story c:

>>105669197
That's Michael. Duh!

i love her!

>>105669395
ok i concede, fair

>>105665137
the retardation /here/ has nothing to do with the support of this subathon, are you retarded? i don't want it to end either but get real anon.

Why did FF report Shondo to Discord?

>>105669579
She didn't play Fortnite with him

groomed ahh b itch shes running into traffic again playing ds3 after the thread complained about it

>>105669653
jesse

What story are they taking about in chat after yakuza?
What made bro laugh? I was asleep

I woke up hateful today.

>>105669653
she literally said on stream that she'd be playing it again later in the subathon.

Every single regular here is a NIGGER and should be sentenced to DEATH.

>>105669915
D: that's not a nise thing to say...

>>105669915
What'd i do? I'm just a sensitive young man...

>>105669915
d first ^_^

>>105669915
Starting with you Shondo!

this new account is an excuse to allow discord dms from groomers
get your dms in

A new account can be reported or ban evading

>>105670035
You should be shot in the head.

>>105670067
My head is empty so you are just wasting bullets

>>105670124
are oyu human or are you dancer?

>>105670151
A dancer thanks for asking

>>105670170
you are cancer

>>105670198
I am dancer not cancer

>>105669083
>it's pedophilia to kiss someone a year older than you according to kiwifags

>>105670238
No, but it's pedophilia to shlick it to that memory 15 years later.

>>105670331
>i made a thing up so i'm in the right actually

>>105670403
Let me guess, you also think lolicons are not pedophiles?

>>105670403
why else would she share that story? don't pretend, we know what you are.

Whats the point in deleting the Discussion channel when the guy reporting everyone is a regular in the Subscribers channel?

>>105670429
Why yes, I do believe things that are true

>https://x.com/Retromancer64/status/1979934766401990782
Missing the best part of the stream

ltd got what he wanted

>>105670439
>we

>>105667785
She said yesterday that she was touched on the butt twice

>>105670525
With how packed trains in Tokyo get that is quite normal

>>105669197
he tweeted multiple times since then and was chatting in the discord until earlier this year

why are the discord channels being wiped?

>>105670429
>>105670439
lol as if we needed any more evidence this general is infested with you faggots

Recently I have realized how little she gives a shit based on how she says things that she wouldn't if she did actually care about me.

frozenstein wants to win

>>105670615
Removing evidence, you can report the whole server btw

>>105670615
so people can't report old messages

>>105670574
There are no newer tweets than that, I guess he must've deleted them.

you guys are just paying for my future irl wife to live better thanks

LTD won

>>105670706
replies are still tweets, retard

>>105670525
I'm going to lose my mind in japan
Anyone touching shondo gets his wrist broken

Dewd had this orchestrated so people couldn't keep bringing up old messages he sent in the Discord to prove how much of a snake he is like with what happened with the shock collar argument recently.

she could have deleted her old messages, kept the channels and started using a new account

if she actually cared about "you guys getting targetted" the community would look a lot different

>>105671038
and the faggot still spam reports everyone else in the server. good one

>>105671135
dont notice

>>105671135
it's better this way, i fight my own battles

>>105671135
she should also care about herself too, none of us want her getting screwed over either, but she has a jesus complex and gets validation from being caused problems

Deleting the messages is not good enough, the end is in sight

>>105671150
dont call ff a faggot like that

>15 hours
Just let it end already, i don't want her whoring herself out with feet

>>105671271
same, she'd never post a 8k professional picture of her ass in lingerie but foot freaks get onlyfans material because she's been groomed into accepting it

Shondo should kill all niggers, which includes 99.99% of this thread.

each day i wonder why i am even here

>>105671271 (me)
>16 hours now
Man...

>>105671375 (me)
>20 fucking hours now
Bro??

Shes going to cap the subathon before feet

>>105671515 (me)
>21h reached
>40k goal reached
Bro IT WASN'T EVEN A MINUTE FROM THIS POST

This is actually disgusting

>>105671549 (me)
>22 hours now
I hate this
She's gonna have to think od new goals matbe

>>105671589
Not as disgusting as your face

>>105671595 (me)
>23 hours now
Vile freaks

>>105671672 (me)
>26 hours
Man...

>>105671672
>>105671735
You are a disgusting NIGGER. You should be killed ASAP.

abcs won

This is disgusting, the good part is that I will be able to train Shondo with the shock collar

she should unironically cap the subathon soon

>>105671735 (me)
>28 hours

did she miss the direct donations? she is still going through gift subs

Antis lost
Husbands won

There's so much "winning" yet no one gets laid except Michael. Funny that.

>>105671902
Probably, there were too many

>>105671845
She isn't buying a shock collar, she is buying a dog collar.

>>105671902
her feed only went up to about 20 minutes into the hour

>>105671914
>>105671940
so the guy that donated $2000 is gonna get ignored?

>>105671926
The same thing

>>105671959
dogs had collars before electricity even existed

>>105671974
We live in modern times

Shondo be my little jewish maid wife
>>105671878 (me)
>29 hours
Yeah okay
>>105671909
>Husbands won
The marriage is already long dead shoomfie

>>105671955
probably

Guys... I'm starting to find her voice annoying...

>>105672033
Because the superchat reading part of the stream is her fakest persona, where she has to pretend that she isn't disgusted with her viewers.

Her being jewish made me hate jews more since i had actual exposure to one
She's very stereotypical

>>105672021 (me)
>31 hours
Absurd

>>105672060
It is really disgusting how much of a fake voice she makes when doing that I had to tune out

Well guess she's getting stretched after all
Let's see what she says while drunk to get herself banned again

feet are almost certain at this point

>>105672187
Estimated time for it? I have to go to sleep in 3 hours or so...

What's the number even at at this point?

>>105672228
Currently at 33 hours

>>105672172 (me)
>33 hours
Sick freaks...
>>105672233
+46k
>>105672263
That is not what i asked

>physical doujin merch (sfw)
Absurd

>>105672263
33 + the extra hours that shes adding for beating each level of the hype train + all the hours she will add in the next 3 days of streaming

seems those stretch goals are getting hit after all
no way she doesn't with 3 extra days added to the counter

>>105672336 (me)
>some signed for extra
Fucking lol, this is insane greed at the cost of fomo
This sucks

Subathon ending thursday or friday?

I remember Shadow from time to time and I come here to see what's going on. Is she having a real subathon?

>>105672297
>35 hours hit
>50k goal reached
This is sad

>western artist I've worked with before
Time for Pettan to cuck everyone twice

>>105672383
why are you being such a seething faggot grow up

>>105672427
go to her stream and check? retard

man I hate feet fags

>>105672446
I have principles

ABCs:
>"I gave up on being a husband"
>Btw here are 400 gift subs

>be artist
>draw porn
>get commissions for porn

>>105672452
I'd rather not be logged in someone's chaterino, I was thinking that maybe she's doing a donathon or whatever it's called.

>>105672434 (me)
>now at 37 hours

>>105672534
Not all porn artists start off as porn artists
Some resort to porn since it's what gets them commissions
If they stopped doing porn they'd end up broke

Rather broke and principled than rich or well off and with no dignity

>SHE HAS MONEY IN HER BANK ACCOUNT
It would be so funny if she got another month ban after the drinking

>I live in a place where houses are cheap
Unironically not true

>>105672651
Not a single person with money has ever said that.

>the banks are so evil
Yeah, and who owns the banks? The jews.
>>105672591 (me)
>near 39 hours
Ok dude
>>105672694
Proverbs 28:6
>Better is the poor who walks in his integrity than one perverse in his ways, though he be rich
Written by King Solomon btw

>>105672527
all fags that say this just do it to try and be "not like the other guys"

why should a financer care about someones personal problems?

There is literally no way that what she just said is true.
>"No, you cannot be thrown out of your house for missing just one mortgage payment, as lenders almost always start a long, multi-step process that gives you time to catch up
. Typically, lenders will first contact you to offer options like payment plans or deferrals, and they usually do not begin foreclosure proceedings until you have missed several payments, often around three to six months"

>>105672627
they're retarded for doing something they hate

>>105672830
why would a lender want to go through expensive legal processes on a shitbox house just because a debtor was late on a single payment?

>>105672811 (me)
>42+ hours now, with a promised free 8-9 hours
Wild

https://x.com/SevensSecondAcc/status/1979936623383962080?t=FYSm9kKn3eZIG6oHYltkkQ&s=19
Naur..the kiwis got Sevens

>>105672627
she acts like all artists prefer drawing sfw content when that's absolutely not true

>>105672945
Lol

>>105672811
>Written by King Solomon btw
A king from 3000 years ago had less luxuries than a burger flipper today. Even kings had to sweat, deal with smelly people and either ride uncomfortable animals or travel at 15 mph inside a bumpy carriage.

>Lender contact: Your lender will likely contact you, but there is a grace period before any formal action is taken.
>Repossession steps: Most lenders do not begin the foreclosure process until a borrower has missed four or more payments or is 120 days late.
>Legal action: If a lender takes legal action to repossess your home, you will be notified through the court system, and a possession hearing will be scheduled.
>Judge's decision: At the hearing, the judge can make various decisions, such as an outright possession order or a suspended possession order, which allows you to stay in your home on specific terms

I was told all the oilers left, what the hell is this?

>>105673008
>Even kings had to sweat, deal with smelly people and either ride uncomfortable animals or travel at 15 mph inside a bumpy carriage.
the alternative would be being poor and having to walk the entire distance. they were comparatively better off

>>105673032
scam train and she said that she would add an extra hour for every level that she beat compared to the record so everyone is unloading

>>105673052
No, the alternative is getting an uber.

>>105673099
ye olde assyian uber service

>>105672917 (me)
>44 hours
Horrid

>>105672527
Wow you mean the groomer tried to be manipulative when he felt cucked by a fictional character? I am so shocked!

>>105672527
600*

>>105673148 (me)
>46 hours
Watch https://youtu.be/OK9f4Mc1Gxo @shondo

>>105673297 (me)
i'm trans btw if that matters

I can't imagine being a lurker for so long and shilling out so much

>>105673321
No i'm not...

anyone who didn't donated now is a faggot

>>105673297
I'm a cradle orthodox but I don't buy into miraculous icons and I think clergymen who fake miracles are well-intentioned scum.

where was the collar talked about?

I FUCKING TOLD YOU HAHAHAHAHAH RETARDS

mouz with another genuine question about her leg size and if it'd fit her anorexic thigh

I remember her bringing up the collar, I think last year, but I don't remember her saying she'd put it on her leg.
Might just be bad memory
yonose

>If I deliver electric shocks to my leg it will be safe
Lol irl, heart attack stream incoming

>>105673517
he really likes asking questions like that, he must be a med student or something

>>105673521
i kinda remember her saying it before at some point

Shock collar bros we are so back

>>105673521
I remember her saying that she could never get one with her family.

>>105673736
another shondo lie

g roo med b i tch will do whatever dewd wants

>>105673740
Basically she was worried that Shadowmama would call her a pervert if she bought a shock collar.

I don't want to be shackled to my computer for another week. This sucks.

>>105671959
>>105671992
Shock collars are illegal in the UK. She either buys a regular dog collar (still pretty hot), a BDSM pet play collar, or smuggles a shock collar from one of the countries she will visit this year.

>>105673757
>i have to post about myself now!!!

>>105673767
She is a pervert for buying one

>>105673767
she is a pervert even if she doesnt buy a shock collar

>Rape Me by Nirvana plays
>"I'm a bad bad girl"
kek

the sekrit mod klub spreadsheet

>>105673767
she literally is tho

>>105673879
kek actually true, he wrote the incel cookie manifesto

>>105673879
rare retro clapback

>>105673908
All history will be gone soon

>>105673879
kek dewd cucked

That's why he has to signal about the shock collar now

My hatred cannot be contained.

W inis for worrying about her. She's the greatest friend out of the barbies (on average)
>>105673297 (me)
>60 hours now (i got muted for 11+ minutes)
It's over...
>>105673368
Miracles are God's way of reminding people of His active working presence, plus the church has always venerated miracle working relics and icons... you do you, though. Personally, i think they are a great help to one's faith.
Plus, you can always go see for yourself. After all, the motto of the Orthodox Church is "come and see"
>>105673879
Tuff

>>105673973
yeah he has pestered her about it for years so he desperately needed it

I am kind of concerned about her using a shock collar, given her health, but I have to admit the idea is pretty hot

qrd on today's drama? just came home

holy, what happened to the timer?

>>105674032
kiwiniggers reported shondo for talking about kissing a 12-year-old girl on Discord, she decided to wipe the discord server to avoid that happening again.

>>105674075
Antis want Shondo to die using the shock collar

at least this was archived

is the p2w channel gone?

>>105674305
It's above discussion now

>>105673879
i've been reading everyone's thoughts on this and i've been trying write out my own regarding the Cookie Dilemma. i'm personally a bit torn on this issue because i want everyone to have opportunities for things like this but this feels like a case where it's not only exclusively limited, it may even be temporarily exclusive as well for something we've considered special to us for years.
Disclaimer:
i wanna preface this by saying that this privilege isn't exclusive against me, so that isn't where i'm coming from on this issue. there's no FOMO on my part :joekek:

what feels specifically unfair about it is that the M&G is already a privilege that some of us get to have with you. and it's a case where you're already making those same people who are going happy because they get to see you. it was the point of going in the first place for a lot of shondophrenics.
and so i don't agree with the POV that UK/Vexpo goers are suddenly losing out on something if you don't do them at the cost of this fairness because of what i mentioned above. and to me, it feels like that POV is also coming from the fact that it IS your cooking and that it IS special.

The Main Problem:
my feelings on it are mixed because what makes it special was that the idea and fantasy of having our wife's cooking was something that we all shared as "being nice to have but can't have" due to our dynamic with you. and this is in a dynamic of admiring the cooking you show us and even you indulging in promoting this fantasy in us.

but now that fantasy is just not a fantasy for very select few people in a privilege that is definitionally exclusory to the rest.

and while i know we are trying to shy away from catering to FOMO, this is a case where i feel like FOMO is only a small part of that, because it's not just a fear of missing out. we've had an idea dangled and fawned over for us, for literal years now, only being given access to select few.
now the idea is here and i think there is some pretty understandable ire against the idea when it's suddenly an exclusory thing.
i genuinely think that this was not an ok thing to do to your regulars and while this may sound harsh, it feels like being led on to what was assumed to be only be a fantasy with you.

i struggle to be happy for those select few because, even in my position where i can eventually obtain them, it is still unfair exclusion. and honestly, it's not an easy thing to protest because i'm aware there's select few are immediately excited about this and my goal isn't to trample on that happiness

Conclusion:
while the idea is nice, i do think it's an honest mistake even if one done out of love and earnestness. and while it's a forgivable mistake, i want to at least offer some constructive feedback, since we rarely have issues like this come up and i empathize with some who are emotionally upset about this decision and may not know how to express it. i appreciate being heard out, so thank you and i apologize for the lengthiness of this. :shadowwoozy:

>>105674323
i don't see it

>>105674345
kek what a loser
the cookie tasted great c:

>>105674380
owned

i joined at the start and i couldve sworn she just hit the 35k goal.
i had to get up and just got back
next goal is 60k. what the fuck happened i unironically thought the stretch goals wouldnt be reached

>>105674380
it's now in the same section as the watchalong channel

>>105674345
>there's no FOMO on my part

>>105668493
Shondo is based kissing girls at that age!!

>>105674402
>>105674423
oh i had to add them through channels & roles for some reason

>>105674403
sub train happened

>>105674403
twitch scam train and she said she would add an hour for each level we beat her record so people went full retard with gift subs. also frozenstein donated $2000

What fucking site is Link talking about?

>>105671093
unless this is the last time shes ever streaming, thats nowhere near worth that money >_<

>People in the Discord that have sad lives and nothing better to do
Damn Shondo, be better to your husbands

Hello, I reported Shondo and without people pity donating, feet would have not been reached. Idk who my 4th victim is. Glad Bapy got hit. Shame it wasn't longer.

>>105674536
What did he say?

>>105674571
thats nice faggot hope you enjoy the couple mins of acknowledgement of your worthless existence you got out of this

using a viewers tool to help manage the stream is bad

>we are now living in the age where twitter's hivemind is now implemented officially across the internet
>lolicon is slowly being treated like real child abuse
shondos days are numbered and im not joking the slippery slope is happening

>>105674618
Shondo was going to link one of her spreadsheets but Link asked her not to because "he had his site on there"

>>105672033
its not a very pleasent voice mister i agree!!

>>105674571
You are a filthy NIGGER and you should be killed ASAP!

>>105674571
why are you posting like we give a shit

>>105674571
You nuked her dicksword and didn't put her through 1/10th of the mental hell I've put her though.

>>105674571
You are doing God's work anon, remember to keep reporting

>>105674571
Based FF

>>105674642
lolicon isnt child abuse!! \>_