Thread 106099511

But how can she know what management is discussing when she's just a talent... Unless?

>>106099511 (OP)
Holy nijinigger thread

>>106099511 (OP)
Fubuki clique is on the attack

they're preparing the black stream

I mean if you asked about it, that's what they would tell the talent. I don't see the there there.

somebody clipped it. you can judge for yourselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_j1kUSBAM

she doesn't namedrop haachama, so there's a small chance it could be something else.

I think she's implying everybody else also knew about it since it's too vague to hide about but still signaling that the higher ups are dealing with it.

>>106099511 (OP)
Wasn't the Gamers wave all Fubuki's nepohires?
I'm nooooooooooooooooooticing

>>106099511 (OP)
You think their management didn't send a
>We are considering Haachama's case
message to every members?

>>106099511 (OP)
>mio is concerned about haachama and asks management what they are going to do about that stream
>management tells them its up to them and the talents can't really do much at this point
>mio tells that to her fans
>UUUUH HOW DOES SHE KNOW THAT ITS UP TO MANAGEMENT AND THEY CAN'T DO MUCH
Surely that implies she's management

>a hololive member breathes
>500 anti threads by discord sissies
>completely astroturfed drama

>>106099836
this, but phase members and holofans

>>106099682
Damn... I don't like where this is heading

>>106099895
don't ever reply to me again you vile subhuman

>>106099511 (OP)
MIO IS A WITCH, LOOK AT THE SPELL SHES CASTING TO STEAL MY SEED!!!

>>106099974
why is she sunburnt like that

>>106099511 (OP)
she's the management, dummy

>>106099511 (OP)
>But how can she know what management is discussing when she's just a talent... Unless?
She asked.
I know that's a difficult thing to imagine when the only thing niji management ever responds with is "shut up and do it anyways" if they respond at all.

so apparently everyone in hololive is management, evil, depress, a victim and hates everyone else but also a collective that bullies people
yep it's schizo hours

>>106100058
only people i know are hateful peeps in JP side are the girls from nico days, everything else is indog shitposting

>>106099836
>>106099951
>>106100041
>B-b-b-but what about Nijisanji????

>>106100150
If you can't see the obvious parallels, then I'm afraid you're too young to be on this board.

it was kind of a nothingburger. it would kind of weird to fire someone just because they opened up about family issues and being lonely.

>>106100150
post the discord link sissy

>>106099951
gonna cry?

Mio, like Fubuki, is the vtubing equivalent of a foreman. I don't think she is management proper, but those two are the link between the talents as a collective (at least jp side) and cover.
Obviously this can lead to politics, this is an issue among construction crews so I can't imagine how bad it is with streamers.

EN side it's probably Mori and someone else.

>>106099895
fuck off with Saga we don't need to give anyone else attention. Life is good enough that we can sit back and watch you all maul yourselves.

>>106100182
Didn't she say stuff about Shion though? Also she could want to leave, but Cover isn't allowing it because it would look bad with Ao and Nodoka leaving earlier, so she's doing things that make Cover look bad.

>>106100292
that's it
I'm revoking your street shitting privileges

>>106100182
She threw a lot of shit onto both the company and a bunch of holomems, desu.

Still, I think that they'll just tell her "what do you want to do? If you want to quit, you can quit, given you're dissatisfied. If you want to stay you're welcome to stay and take this symbolic punishment so we can bring some closure to this."

>>106100182
>it was kind of a nothingburger
nothingburger but enough for Cover's management stopped every collab stream and told holomems doing the damage control on twitter instead kek

>>106100418
the japanese called them management's lapdog

>>106100292
No, but throw up from your cuck breath.

>>106100512
again in english?

Huh, I've just realized that Holo EN really never had a menhera or anyone go full drama. Maybe they're more sane than I thought.

>>106100512
What damage control on twitter? Last year with Fauna's graduation we saw damage control, right now it's positively silent. You retards will literally just make shit up and insist it's real based on absolute sweet fuck all beside the lies you tell each other.

>>106100543
Why are you trying to kiss that anon, are you gay

>>106100614
You only think so because you believe GG is just acting like GG.

>>106100537
That has a negative connotation that is not necessary. It's a range, some foreman are borderline house negroes others are more on the worker side.

>>106100658
they desperately want a drama to rival the black screen but with hololive

>>106099802
idk from the clip it sounds like her manager told her to address it

>>106099511 (OP)
Why are you people this retarded, why cant you just watch streams instead dramafagging, fucking niggers all of you

wow with all this "drama" happening now I will totally forget about Reimu's multiple scandals
how unfortunate

>>106100614
Cover might have got better at avoiding menheras. The so called vibe check that Mori mentioned.
I think the closest we got to a crashout was Nerissa with balatro and that was mostly on her chat being ass.

ID avoid public chimpouts (for most part) because they know how good they have it.

>>106099511 (OP)
fellow holokeks
maybe we should stop making false allegations against nijisanji since they all keep blowing up in our faces

>>106100497
>shade at holomen
>waaah you don't wanna be my friend
we've already been through this shit with her and matsuri.

>>106099511 (OP)
If management was discussing it they would have to tell the talents that so that the talents know to leave the topic to them and not respond to antis. It's management's job to be the authority that talents can deflect controversial topics to.

>>106099836
>Rushia confirmed by her friend to be in the hospital because of a suicide attempt
>Dramafags ignored this and focused on a Niji male speaking to a popular streamer on Twitter

But yes. It is Hololive that has to deal with astroturfed drama

>>106100182
To be fair, nobody actually knows explicitly why Mel or Rushia was fired, this is absolutely on that level from an outsider perspective. The only question is the difference on the insider perspective. If they are doing their jobs at all then incidents like this cause them to take a good hard look at everything overall.

>>106100182
I seem to notice you're forgetting the part where she says she was bullied by other girls because of her numbers, excluded and that management would withhold payments then treat her like trash

>>106100996
people know why Rushia was fired.

>>106100978
Psychotic parasocial woman having her marriage exposed to her fans checks herself into a hospital doesn't really stop the presses? I'm sorry nobody went with whatever angle you wanted them to. She literally says she was bullied later, but her example was time spot shit from Aqua. So what should the masses think of this in your ideal world? Get the pitchforks out for Aqua? I bet.

>>106101070
oh you're just schizo

>>106101083
What did green holowoman with husband write?

>>106101070
I don't mean to shit on her but I question the validity of that from the girl who went on a hiatus where she cut all contact and ghosted everyone worried about her but Hoshikawa.

>>106101070
I seem to notice you're twisting her words a bit there

>>106101083
>Holokeks still pushing that Rushia accused Aqua of bullying when that was a lie spread by a dramafag that she flat out said wasn't true

rormao. The screenshots themselves show that they were friends

>>106101185
Regardless of if it's Aqua or Matsuri she got upset over fucking timeslots. That and "my manager didn't talk to me over the weekend" are the major grievances you can blame on others for her suicide bait. Otherwise having a lie exposed will lead a BPD woman to suicide bait and check herself into a hospital yes. The phone toss stream was egregious at the time cause it sounded like she jumped, but after that it was pretty clear what she was doing.

>>106100778
>ID avoid public chimpouts
there have been plenty ID chimpouts

>did Hachaama break rules that EVERYBODY ELSE has to abide by?
Yes. This includes showing up in Kson's chat as her holo persona, which was not reprimanded by management and she continued on like nothing happened.
>are these rules clear and obvious not just to all of the talents, but also the audience?
Yes. Everyone knows the clearly established rules that she has deliberately broken, in as public a fashion as she could possibly muster.
>therefore the right thing for management to do is to continue ignoring Hachaama's spiraling attention-seeking misbehavior, otherwise brack company

>>106099682
thats the first time ive ever seen her that shaken wow

People here are a bunch of corpo worshipping retards anon, your not supposed to call out your corporate overlords, and anyone who leaves a corpo or has anything bad to say about them us a menhara sack of shit, like a-chanand mel are. How dare you imply our gods at covercorp could ever do anything wrong.

>>106101400
>Pretends the only bullying was overlapping
Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>106101641
Sister it was in 22. Rushia moved on a really long time ago, I guarantee you I've not been rolling in my bed for three years over a hospital check in. It's pretty clear you're using this vague event and an elusive bully X as a club to bash Hololive, that's all.

>>106101608
Nobody shit talks those two on the tower. It's kinda funny how it's only in drama threads eh.

>>106099511 (OP)
she is the company mommy
everyone who actually watches hololive knows this
she isnt management, but she will scold management if they fuck up
they are fucking up

I know for a fact my favorite japanese corporation has no internal politics, their employees told me so

>>106099511 (OP)
just remember, when something bad happening with holo, it's actually not so bad, and it's only dramafagging by nijicuckqueens / phasecucks

>>106099511 (OP)
>nooo, you don't have the authority to support someone with depression, this is not part of the corporate hierarchy, you haven't even sent a fax!
asian schizos showing their complete lack of basic humanity once again.

>>106101072
Because she was leaking information about staff members? Okay, so then why is everyone not fired. There has to be a threshold or line that only the management knows.

>>106099511 (OP)
They can at least drive her to the psych ward

>>106101608
A-chan is the corporate overlord in your example and most of the hate people are using Haachama to stir up is directed at specific talents they hate, not management at all. None of her complaints have anything to do with management because at absolute worst the stuff she says about management is the same shit all the supposedly evil talents say about management as well. At the end of the day if you take her at her word she had a melty because she thinks Towa is a shitter and shouldn't have had a second sololive before she had one. Which I think everyone would agree with except for all the people who like Towa. Towa also being someone who also hates management and also feels slighted. Which goes to show you it's all perspective and every single human being feel slighted in their own way while feeling everyone else is being treated better.

>>106102191
Twa paid for it out of her own pockets and the sponsorships she could attract.

>>106100418
The worst types of human beings in any industry

>>106100778
>Cover might have got better at avoiding menheras.

Since when? They only hired Ao 2 years ago, right?

>>106101526
Give examples of these "rules" the audience knows about, beyond showing up in the wrong chat

>>106099566
Who are the members?

>>106100614
You're forgetting that mori drama a few years ago where even reddit told her she was being a retard. but yes holoen is surprisingly drama free and the worst drama the branch had was fauna either being a retard or trying to unsuccessfully start victimhood drama which in the grand scheme of things is basically nothing and impressive.

>>106099511 (OP)
I recall that when the rounds were making their way during Chloe's graduation Fubuki was making tweets about how easy the talents have it after the issue of Chloe's voice being pushed. I think someone should look back on that.

>>106101083
Kek, this is never not funny

>>106099511 (OP)
mio and fubuki are corpo-rats, they own a significant amount of cover shares

>>106099836
>only some corpo simp from another rival company can criticize Cover
How is that coolaid going for you? Things have been showing troubling signs for a year and a half now. Don't pull this "no war in Ba Sing Se" shit. If you actually gave a shit about the girls rather than being able to call yourself a Holo fanboy you would want things to get better for the Hologirls.

>>106102568
Pretty sure that was Kanata who openly shat on Chloe in the eyes of the people here, and she was Chloe's closest friend at Hololive who didn't also want to graduate.

>>106102691
By removing members that make it worse for them like Haato? Oh wait no, she's supposed to stay at Cover so they can continue to profit off her because you're a corpo cocksucker.

>>106102985
You shouldn't spread malicious rumors when you have literally 0 interest or knowledge of the subjects of said rumors.
On second pass maybe you're confusing Coco and Chloe lol.

>>106103061
Are you saying Chloe and Kanata weren't friends? Kanaken?

>>106103006
Jesus christ your retarded. Vtuber fans are so fucking garbage. Funny how the corpo cocksucker is trying to call others bootlickers. Keep praying to your god's yagoo and rikiu you subhuman trash.

>>106103430
The Holodrone playbook involves heavy usage of projection

>>106103394
It's the "openly shat on Chloe" part that's the malicious rumor you fucking moron.
Born out of a manufactured rumor. Kanata showing her schedule for a single week and talking about it in a 100 question zatsudan must mean she's shitting on Chloe feeling overworked. 100 spammed threads about Kanata attacking Chloe later and... they have a live together and collab a bunch before the end with no trouble and good feeling.
Stop spreading lies.

>>106099511 (OP)
>no timestamps or even clips
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>106102481
>Fauna starting drama
The fuck are you even talking about? She only stated the minimum Cover even allowed her to say.

>>106099511 (OP)
>made up bullshit twitter screencap thread
how is this even still up?

>>106103430
Learn English you dumb monkey.

>>106099511 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_j1kUSBAM
manager told me about situation yesterday
oh no mio is the EBILLL clique to know
REALLY ???

>>106099682
I don't doubt that a talent or two also have managerial duties of some sort or are mouthpieces for management (I'm looking at you Fubuki) but that clip isn't evidence of jackshit unlike what OP's image seems to imply. It's literally someone asking what's up with a coworker and management saying we're still figuring it out and nothing more.

>>106101608
ESL pro league post

>>106104166
So you admit she wanted to start more drama. At least he gave an out she was just a retard.

>>106108439
>reading the Cover approved graduation notice is "trying to start drama"
Fucking retard.

>>106099836
>talent has a 6 hours long mental breakdown stream which includes accusations of ostracism in her company
>"ehm, completely astroturfed!"

>>106104083
The stream was linked non-stop

>>106103006
>just Stalin her teehee
You lazy malicious motherfucker, neck yourself immediately. What management should be doing is expending effort to make the girls' jobs and lives easier.
Nijification of Hololive came from an unexpected source - the fans.

>biggest drama since Taiwan is caused by some menhera off her meds
>said she feels isolated, but often ghosts people
>accusations of preferential treatment for sponsorships, yet sponsors often decide who they want in the end
>despite being completely unmedicated, these are the most unhinged accusations she could make
The most surprising thing about this whole shit show is that there is, in fact, nothing happening in the garden.

>>106099511 (OP)
>Elira
>Woman-child who abuses her power
>Mio
>Grown professional who recognizes how she can fill the gaps between management and talent

>>106109890
>It's ok if only we have talents as managers

>>106101070
God I'm sor tired of this.

BEING IGNORED IS NOT BEING BULLIED. IT IS NOT THE SAME. STOP BEING SUCH A FUCKING WOMAN.

Bullying is by definition "positive" behavior and ignoring someone is "negative" behavior. This is EXACTLY why woman are obssessed with abusive men, because they're addicted to "positive" responses. They absolutely despise being ignored.

>>106110054
Excluding somebody from group activities is bullying.
Creating fake narratives about people is bullying.

>>106110384
No it isn't. No it isn't.

not saying management is right or wrong, but it is annoying that the same hag colleague does this performative shit every single time

>>106110384
Are they actually excluding her or is she just too fucking autistic to ask? If she ask to be a part of a collab with those members and they exclude her then yes, that's really bad, but if she stays in her corner alone hoping for everyone else to reach out to her while not making any effort to reach out to others then that's her own problem. They are adult women, not kids in a playground, if she wants something she should be open about it and communicate with the others instead of expecting them to do everything for her.

>>106099511 (OP)
These are literal fandead lmao

>>106100614
Unironically the closest EN has had to this kind of yab was the Mori lean episode

>clique narrative again
So you vtuberantis are using the same attack vectors you used on Niji on Holo now?

>>106111083
Ike...

>>106110466
NTA but if your definition of bullying is the typical highschool chubby tall kid gripping you up by a locker to take your lunch money, that's not how bullying works in Japan.
In Japan it's a lot more methodical and underhanded. You get excluded and isolated from many activities. They don't declare it either. They'll just stop talking or just move elsewhere. You basically don't exist. But behind your back, they'll say all sorts of things about you and basically sabotage your image, which then makes other people not want anything to with you because you'll become guilty by association.
>THAT'S NOT BULLYING
Considering how prevalent social media is now, how high the suicide rate is over there and how extremely common this is, yes, it is bullying. In western culture, when you stand up to the bully, they usually fuck off or suddenly start being friends with you. In Japan, you can't stand up to it because it's groupthink and extremely passive aggressive. It's hard to fight against that.
TLDR: Western bullying is confrontational. Japanese bullying is extremely passive aggressive and very similar to office bullying. If you think it's not that bad, you've never experienced it before.

>>106108505
Funny how they all used the same notice but only she started drama with it.

>>106113122
Nothing you are saying has anything to do with Japan, it has to do with being a woman. That exists anywhere that women exist. The fact that it's impossible for men to be bullied in that way proves it's not bullying.

>>106113181
Ike...

it might be over for pekora next if this war keeps going on

>>106113181
>The fact that it's impossible for men to be bullied in that way proves it's not bullying.
Genuine question, have you ever had a working job in your life in an office? Like seriously, have you ever been in any corporate environment in your life?
Do you genuinely believe it's women that just do this shit? This shit happens in Japanese highschools all the time and especially in the workplace.
Do you genuinely believe a man has never offed himself because his image got completely sabotaged and basically got his life ruined? I literally knew an autistic guy became depressed and suicidal because his co-worker who had a lot of connections never liked him and would spread so much shit about him. It's really not that simple, anon. You'd understand this if you've lived it.

>>106099511 (OP)
I don't get why Rushia was terminated for such an inconsequential yab while Haachama is literally trying to bring the company down with her like Fauna did

>>106115782
Noone like her lol.
Rushia AWAY!

>>106113122
This is how bullying works all around the world bro. It's not just a Japanese culture thing.

>>106099802
>>mio is concerned about haachama and asks management what they are going to do about that stream
still can't believe holokeks unironically believe the whole "family" shtick, she doesn't care about haachama enough to be """""concerned""""" about her

The fact that Mio didn't immediately put everyone's fears of termination to rest by clarifying whether she's staying or not just tells me that we're very likely getting the worst case scenario. That's way too ominous of a response to be a coincidence.

>>106115782
>Set up a deadman trigger to bring down the company
>inconsequential yab
?
Haachama might've been a menhera but at least she didn't say anything outrageously damaging. Even the "excluded" accusation was prefaced by a "other members didn't do it intentionally but I still feel..."
That's not to say she won't be terminated, though, just that she might have a tiny chance not to

>>106113310
Pekora has slowly been building her faction from the remnants of Aqua's. She's been collabing more with Noel, Lamy, Taso, and Azki. She's also been gaining new recruits like Bibi, Neko, and Raiden. Soon she'll be able to stand up against Miko's tyranny once again

>>106110384
>Excluding somebody from group activities is bullying.
This didn't happen to Haachama, btw. She had plenty of collab offers. In fact, she was going to collab with Biboo just recently (which she ditched because she "forgot about it")

Hololive will be dead to me if she's terminated.

Yeah she's fired, and the decision management are working on, the one they need the talents to keep out of, is how to announce it

>>106116118
>le no one likes me
>people reach out to her
>continually makes things difficult for everyone
>le no one likes me
Why is she like this?

>>106099511 (OP)
Bootlicking whore

>>106099836
holodrone cultist deflection post

>>106116104
>Raiden
Some people out themselves so easy.

>>106113310
What faction is Watame in?

>>106099566
Hololive≠Kurosanji

>>106100418
Mio is not management but definitely in a very respected position internally. Kinda like A-chan lite.

>>106100001
Dim purple light

>>106118403
Military rations

What happened with Haachama?

>>106116076
How can they do it unintentionally when she said that they would exclude her from collabs when she had bad numbers?

>>106113310
>Holo vs Holo fanfics
cringe

>>106099713
Mio and FBK are friends.

>>106116189
depression

>>106115995
I’d be concerned too if a hag just spent the last 5 hours shitting on me indirectly

>>106099511 (OP)
>twitter screencap "trust me bro" tier
>still up

>>106127279
>JANNIES JANNIES TAKE IT DOWN AIIEEEEE

>>106127545
>please please just let me post off site screenshots of people who arent vtubers

>>106127655
They're talking about vtubers. It counts

>>106120084
She's gonna have a bad time. MRE's don't come with potato chips!

You Niji fags are so fucking desperate for there to be an issue, aren't you. Fuck off

>haachama is literally bullied because she's retarded, breaks down crying on stream
>VOD privated, collabs cancelled, Fubuki is the first one to be in the scene holding a gun to her head forcing her to apologize
>now Mio and the other clique girls are brainstorming how to spin this in a positive manner
>this is a nothingburger according to brown people

>>106130788
Jannies will ban you for racism

>>106123384
That's not what she said. Or more accurately, you are merging two different things she said together.
She said that while the girls don't do it intentionally, she still felt excluded / left out. She only talked about the "collab" bit later when she mentioned a girl rejected her collab invite because she had lower numbers. She didn't specify, though.
Case in point: on very quick look through Haachama's channel, so far this year she has collabed with 19 unique members (some of them several times) on 26 collabs (some collabs resulted in multiple streams which I only counted as one). If you count big collabs (with more than 5 people), those numbers will go up even further. That isn't someone who got excluded from collabs. In fact, she collabed with more people and more often than your average Hololive members do

>>106130557
Fubuki appeared in chat before the 4 hour mark.
It was past the 5 hour mark Haachama really started unraveling. That's when she did her lifestory traumadump.

>>106130557
>phasefaggot

>>106131534
For how long was fubuki in the chat?

>>106115782
?
Fauna?
I don’t keep up with EN, but this sounds like a big yab people would have heard

>>106118403
Whore clan.

>>106129983
>The Holodrone cries when the eyes are on him

Hololive was not and will never be as bad as Niji. This is 100% guaranteed. However the sheer amount of denial, salt and deflection here is real. Actual cult behavior.
Management and groups can have cliques and problems without being inhumanly evil.

>>106100978
hey, the Niji suicide attempt got plenty of coverage.

>>106100978
she has those pretty often. they might not be big news anymore.

>>106134878
Kill yourself, Mafu

I don't trust anything she says. She said on stream that she was off her meds and that her parents put her in a mental hospital where the doctors tortured her. Also the talk about people in the shadow wanting to kill her or that the people on the streets where stalking her... Sorry to say it but she is a lost cause

>>106100978
>Rushia confirmed by her friend to be in the hospital because of a suicide attempt
Yeah, I'm sure it was totally legit like Delta's

>>106136804
>Uh, she was lying
T. Holo manager

>>106102125
Your stupid post is wrecked by the fact fubuki was in that stream's chat supporting her

>>106110029
That's not what he said ESLchama

>>106131215
Great and informative post, thank you anon.

>>106102150
>then why is everyone not fired
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>106113514
None of which is happening to Haato so this shit is irrelevant.

>>106136747
>you're crazy
This is an easy way to dismiss people even when they have a real point. Which should be kept in mind too.

>>106138305
Haachama literally said people would dismiss what she's complaining about by calling her crazy too

>>106099682
holomembs shouldn't protect the management it should be the other way around

>>106101083
traduce i don´t speak takataka

>>106099511 (OP)
Mio has a mother type position, especially to the girls who have been there a long time
She regularly hosts parties or goes and cooks at peoples houses
She’s also usually the one to address big news about graduations and such, make of that what you will

>>106118403
Proud member of the mighty Did Nothing Wrong clan

>>106138439
Do you agree with her?

>>106140060
Yeah, it's the number one defense right now for Hololive

>She was hospitalized so she's crazy. Don't listen to her

>>106140430
You can change it to Selen and now it sounds rational huh

>>106140495
>Selen Selen Selen
Obsession

>>106140430
Well, they aren't wrong

>>106140746
No, that anon is right. That's exactly what happened. I don't think Holo plays it the same way. Or at least, I hope they don't.

>>106140853
They don't, at least on places like the tower or in generals.
I guarentee you're going to see some "we gotta HATE and kill haato! purge the unclean livers" among the falseflaggers on the catalog here.

>>106140845
But they are because it all lines up

>>106130557
They're firing Haachama. Even she knows she's probably getting fired

>>106099511 (OP)
>Mio updates
>twitter faggotry

>>106100614
Shiro and her (homosexual) manager banning anyone making noise about the boys collab
Nerissa blocking her fan base making noise about her support for the boys on twitter

>>106100614
Are just pretending Kiara doesn't exist now?

>>106143974
Based damage controller keep up the good work deflecting

>>106118742
Correct. Hololive is worse

>>106099511 (OP)
>vet employee has a grapevine to management movements
Shocking, innit?

>>106099511 (OP)
>another twitter screencap with made up shit

>>106144205
Kiara might rant now and then, but she has never gone so far as having a meltdown on stream. She is more whiny than outright menhera
The closest to a menhera outburst was Mori during her lean arc and even she was still sane enough to keep it at passive aggressive level