Thread 106276922

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mori fat

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Twitch sites
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

beg cat

>>106276943
mori love

>>106276922 (OP)
oh this one was a bit faster

Just got home, watching Pekora
Also this is my wife

Holos I would date IRL

Anyone looking forward to FlowGlow anniversary?

>>106276999
>red and oily above anyone
GRIM

>>106276999
notRushia has nice tits

>>106276999
this looks SEA

>>106277046
How can you tell?

>>106276999
>all those ID whores above any JP or NA
Weird taste

>>106276999
>wife
>zeta
>lap+
Top tier bait anon you earn this (you)

>>106277056
>>106277059

>>106277056
Well all of ID is there and half of JP is missing. Also the graduated members and the anti Rushia shit

>>106276972
It made her feel things, emotions due to the intimacy of the art/writing, probably when she was feeling down in the dumps during her formative years (she literally talked about reading raunchy stuff not for the sex)

>>106276265
Eggie, you have to understand that "THEY ALL HAVE BOYFRIENDS BEHIND THE SCENES" is sadly a common position on Twitter and even on Reddit, the same way "THEY'RE ALL MEN WITH VOICE CHANGERS" is.

It's not cuckposting, it's just that Twitterfags are kinda retarded, just disengage.

>>106276999
>Zeta and Mumei
based
>Nerissa, Iofi, Shiori, Risu, and Sana that high
because of their models... right?
>Kronii, IRyS, Mori, and Biboo that low
BASED

>>106276999
>putting Rushia at the lowest tier
are you gay or something?

UH OH HOLOKEKS???

>>106276999
>Fauna
lmao

>>106277138
based

>>106277138
>CP
Korean shit right? For some reason they call ship/pairs/couple there specifically as "character pairs"

>>106277120
Kill yourself cuckling

>>106277138
biboo was a mistake

>ironmouse's manager has been throwing shade at matara a lot recently (mouse herself didn't say anything about her yet)
>matara found "something" out yesterday
Really makes you think huh

>>106277172
kawaiikawaii

>>106277197
Ironrat definetly had a part in the exploitation of V-Shojo, I swear to God, that fucking bitch knew.

>>106277162
I got my hopes up..

sex?

>>106277197
Google dockey from both side is cooking btw

>>106277230
sex sex sex

is this natty?

>>106277248
Cute couple

>>106277118
>Eggie, you have to understand that "THEY ALL HAVE BOYFRIENDS BEHIND THE SCENES" is sadly a common position on Twitter and even on Reddit
That's not even what that person was saying, just that the yuri baiting is mostly a show that they put on for the audience' sake and some of the talents have even been proven to have boyfriends, which regardless of our shitposts here is just the truth. It is sadly a fact that Fauna spent years in hololive doing yuri bait with Kronii and Mumei and whoever else while being in a relationship with a man. Replying to that with a /#/ cockanon shitpost is just retarded containment breaking.

>>106276999
>rejecting the most hetero

faggot

>>106277254
>popular takamori artist turned into a gremreaper artist
what does Kiara have left?

>>106277230
sex

>>106277248
uh oh!

>>106277285
Ina

>>106277285
mint and kaneru

>>106277285
>what does Kiara have left?
rope

>>106277248
KEK

>>106277261
i doubt

>>106277279
she's boring

Miko is getting fucked up by electic type

2Booty

>>106277279
She only drinks alcohol if suggested

>>106277317
>Iofi > IRyS
lmao, you are pathetic.

>>106277285
forcing big EN collabs at 6am for americans

>>106277261
>Nijibot
>Ever natty
rumao

>>106277248
kek

>>106277248
>insert samefag

>>106277369
Uh oh cuckling melty

>>106277352
the ultimate sex

>>106277383
24 hours no break

>>106277369
>insert green cock in tapir pussy

>>106277346
I didn't post the image, I agree that Iofi is worse. but IRyS is boring streaming wise and in general

>>106277403
Green cock in tapir pussy and green hat on cuckling head

>>106277403
Insert many things

Can someone tell me how far Pekora is from ending?

>>106277417
kek

>>106277403
Yeah, my green snapling cock in Nimi's pussy

>>106277197
>ironmouse's manager
She have a manager? Who?

>>106277444
Nice fantasy cuckling but she only thing she'll take from you is your money

>>106277444
Good morning randon

>>106277473
melty

what's with the nimiseethe at these hours?

>>106277248
laughing raora.jpg

>>106277494
>raora
oh i'm laughing lol

>>106277013
when?

>>106277489
Low hanging fruits

>>106277489
>Please don't call my homo loving whore out!
Don't like it? close the thread cuckling

>>106277275
Gay for pay is not a thing either, most of the interactions that people thought are yuribait usually amount to women being friendly with other women and more deranged shippers "filling in the blanks", that's why the ship ends up breaking, it is thought to be because they have boyfriends or something. Not to mention that the rrats about KroFau is that it broke because it DID end up being serious, but that's another matter.

The most popular ships are those where there is no thought of gay for pay. OkaKoro, do you think they're faking it? AmeSame, do you think they're faking it? Autofister, do think they're faking it? There is no financial incentive on the things that they do with each other.

>>106277248
>>106277521
Kek

>高一の時のやつ、いいねで秒
https://x.com/TosoSara14444/status/1985261042277183885

>>106277529
yea me

>>106277489
despite their best efforts, naplings still run the board and nimi is always on topic cause she's the best and most interesting vtuber

>So it seems that Nene's discussion stream with Pekora was a quasi-venting stream (which is not a surprise for those who even just casually watch Nene), in which she effectively asked for advice from Pekora, who is unironically a mature and professional senpai. And Pekora did excellently, including giving Nene some very good advice that she probably will listen to.
>In any case, I think it's been a while, but at the end of the stream Nene hit Pekora with a "what do you think about the current Hololive", and they talked about it for 10-ish minutes, during which Pekora brought up three interesting things.
>Firstly, she brought up a slightly different perspective, in that she thinks the current Hololive has a lot of rules and one has to confirm everything and it's certainly tough, but it's not so much that the earlier Hololive was more lenient or understanding or anything like that, but rather that there were actually pretty much no rules back then, and Cover is a big company now and so there are rules now, and it is not possible to "go back", whatever that might mean.
>Secondly, she acknowledged/emphasized that both talents and management are more or less in it together, and specifically that the recent-ish string of graduations hit not just the talents but the management hard too, and the mood of the entire company is darker than before. And she saw more clearly now how both talents and management have been trying harder to meet in the middle, at least generally speaking.
>And thirdly but definitely not least, Pekora brought up the aspect that Cover is ultimately a company, with everything that entails. Specifically relevant to the talents, what is perhaps most important for them to pay attention to is "interpersonal relationships", or rather "ningenkankei", which is a Japanese term with a whole lot of connotations.
>More concretely, from the talents' perspectives, it's less so about "management" as a nebulous entity, and more so about specific managers and staffs. For one example that even viewers can be aware of, the whole system of having newbie managers "trained" by working their way up from easier to harder-to-work-with talents is effectively extra duty for the talents too. And more generally, talents do have to care a lot about interpersonal relationships, particularly with the managers/staffs, and this is both just what working for any company is like and also unquestionably a mental weight.
>So, all in all, I guess Pekora did sense what Nene really wanted to talk about, and she approached all the questions from a professional perspective. Personally I think her answers were all quite insightful, and also she struck a balance between acknowledging Nene's (currently probably more on the negative side) opinions of Hololive while also explaining things from a bird's-eye view, which is very impressive.

>>106277450
https://x.com/__R0XY__

lol he is trying it again

>>106277577
You are the laughing stock of this thread

>Kiara didn't comment on or shill Biboo or Mori's songs.
>Always begs the others to shill hers
Now I understand why she has schizos

>>106277582
why does she post so many black guys

If Mori has lost weight it means she is looking for a partner now.

>>106277550
>Please don't call my homo loving whore out!
>Don't like it? close the thread
look who's the OP, retard >>106276922 (OP)

>>106277615
Isnt she busy with that gay nigga right now?

>>106277577
t. The two naplings spiteposting and exposed to be posting anti holo stuff multiple times

>>106276999
I stopped at Zeta and Lacunny, you're trolling.

>>106277632
Yeah she is thirsty for Gigi, but she is making a mistake because Gigi likes PAWGs and she is becoming less PA by the day.

>>106277138
Understandable

>>106277558
>Gay for pay is not a thing either, most of the interactions that people thought are yuribait usually amount to women being friendly with other women and more deranged shippers "filling in the blanks"
Come the fuck on lol there is absolutely a ton of cynical yuri baiting in HoloEN. Part of the fun of watching vtubers is to buy into the fantasy and play along so it is also retarded to be the epic redditor who points out that it's all fake and they all have boyfriends or whatever, but if you think takamori, baerys, bloodraven etc. are just natural interactions between friends you're just as dumb.

>>106277285
I don't think they've "turned" but this just proves that if your duo is receptive to each other and plays ball, artists will notice your synergy and will be eager to draw it seeing how fast Gremreaper is accepted and relatively lots of art of them are present

>>106277642
>falls for everything

>>106277634
Morp ain't the one following the orc out of hololive thoughbeit

>>106277044
plastic

>>106277671
she literally collabed with him multiple times, unlike Nimi

>>106277664
Did the schizo edits her in the orc's chat?

>matara was the one who snitched on vshojos money situation to possible buyers
>ultimately she was the one responsible for them going broke, and thats why they all hate her

Twitter keeps showing me this so you have to see it too

>>106277162
isnt it chinese

>>106277694
What collab?

>>106277664
Yeah I'm sure it's just a coincidence or falseflag that it happened multiple times especially since one of the prunes was for them spamming Nimi cute but it revealed they were shitting on Advent for muh favoritism

>>106277661
>cynical
>haachama revealed they still do it even when theres nobody watching

>>106277661
Kronii feeling up Ina's butt on stream was just a normal thing between girls ya know

>>106277578
Pekora the Wise. She understands a company is just made up of people and the nebulous "company" that some have in their head that has "conflicts" with talent is just a delusion. The problem really stems from staff/talent building relation together, and particularly, new staff that are learning the ropes in the company.

>>106277729
HoloSalt with Mori, Kronii, Vesper, and Magni

>>106277705
Nice english
>>106277730
Obviously, the more it happens the more likely its a falseflag you mongo. Do you lack the self-awareness of how your own posts come across?

>>106277248
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>106277748
That's not the orc?
What's the collab

>>106277730
>Nimi cute
>Advent favoritism
true

>>106277749
>the more it happens the more likely its a falseflag
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>3年レスのシンママなんてこんなもん
https://x.com/mogumimi1988/status/1985229078933504383
I love whores

>>106277768
it is, Mori collabed with a bunch of holostars, unlike Nimi

>>106277578
I unironically think that management needs to understand that without hololive they are nothing.
If all holos graduate tomorrow what will they fucking have? They will implode in 2 days.
But if cover magically disappears tomorrow even together with studio and all staff... holos will still be able to stream and even do 3D lives via 3D studios which provide these services and basically will be fucking thriving. It really feels like they just do not fucking get it.
On more positive not it's great to see Pekora giving out good advice to other members... She did it with vivi too which really helped

>spite liveposting
>stop liveposting when phase debut

Biboo 10 subs from 900k

>>106277811
melty

>>106277558
what about gremreaper? I don't think mori is faking it...

>>106277804
But she's not the one follow the orc out of hololive thoughbeit
>>106277819
That website is not accurate.

https://x.com/namikawa22/status/1976870977167606071
Deadbeats is this you?

>>106277830
sexooo

>>106277730
>Advent for muh favoritism
Where is the lie

>>106277578
Just seems like basic corpo shit yeah. A lot of the rules and regs cover had is because of the stupid controversies in the past. They really did damage. Esp the perms one

I cant get her to stick popsicle between her boobs without triggering filter
and here I thought grok is based

>>106277836
Oh that's another monster completely.

>If one of the halves catches feelings and the other just wants a good friendship, what then?

>>106277840
ESL holofag is back

>>106277785
Yeah bro because this thread definitely doesn't have a falseflagging problem, just ignore the avatarfag, selenfag and the bibooschizo. They definitely do not exist

>>106277840
I have 3 websites open anon

>>106277880
>holofag
Where do you think you are cuckling?

>>106277885
Thats selenfag you're replying to

>>106277888
They're all guesswork thoughbeit.

>>106277880
reddit Midwits are /here/ again

>>106277855
They toned it down days ago, the whole nudity stuff in the video generatio was a oversight due to the release being rushed because Sam "give me money" Altman lives rent-free in Elon's head and if he has something Elon needs to have it too

>>106277830
SEX

>>106277891
you're the cuck watching holos collabing with the homos lmao and then paying the homos salary to keep them employed

>>106277983
>REPOST
>IS
>PROHIBITED
Anon is a criminal...

new Raden merch
https://shop.hololivepro.com/en/products/juufuuteiraden_letsgotothemuseum

>>106277991
>watching holos collabing with the homos
??? I have not watched a single homo collab.

>>106277632
>she is looking for a partner now.
ya me

>>106277991
>n-no you
Pathetic cuck

>>106277671
no but she's following fagni fleshie RM

>>106277996
You wouldn't download a Suisei, would you?

Mihoyofags are pissing and shitting themselves because they ported a Honkai character who was considered Lesbain Jesus into HSR, but the trailer is with the male MC and now they're seething.

>>106277578
The art thief and the hacked rom user

>>106277807
ligger

>>106278045
We already knew that from her debut?

I guess you were right. She lost 333 subs as it was 1 sub away from 900k

>>106278059
>Mihoyofags
You mean a loud minority on twitter

>>106277983
>AI training prohibited
Don't do it grok anon, it's not worth going to jail over this

Will Mori stream later. I can't wait for another 100k

>>106277865
I don't think gigi has realize that mori caught feelings and isn't ready to handle the fall out.

>>106278074
Only the channel owner have the correct counter for subs.

>>106278018
Mori and a bunch of other holos are homocollabing lovers >>106277550 so who do you watch to be in this thread then?

>>106278059
And why are you bringing your shitter drama in here ? Go to /v/ for your culture war

>>106278073
Im taking about mori

>>106278059
Mihoyofags only care about yaoi

>>106278122
>who do you watch to be in this thread
hololive?
HOLOTHREAD
HOLOBOARD
HOLOWEBSITE
HOLOWORLD

Reminder its ok when JP does it
https://x.com/daydidipsie1986/status/1985217753385726004

>>106277807
The post was a great insight and then here you are shitposting about graduation
Jesus, can you just lay someslack so we can aleast have a discussion /here/?

>>106277865
Wonder if this is what happened with Kronii and fauna

>>106278148
>supporting Holopro
cuck lmao

>>106278125
Morp is still going strong as the KING of EN, despite your best effort.

>>106278149
>1986
>that tight
I love Japan

>>106278171
What's a better alternative?

CC trying to sex up my rock wife again

>>106278149
vtubers?

>>106278223
Im watching streams yes

>>106278172
>botted whore
>king of EN
lol
lmao

>>106276999
https://www.reddit.com/r/okbuddyhololive/comments/1omrswa/members_i_would_unironically_date_irl/

>>106278218
FWMC>morp>rr>cc

>ARC Raider
>Another Looter shooter game
MEH

>106278243
And the nijisissy revealed himself
It's just too easy

>>106278237
>>106278121
>>106277830
qrd on this meme

I suppose today it will be EN Gold for Gigi.

Strong start for both her and Saba

>>106278216
ex-holos, at least a cut of your money or the ad revenue won't be taken from Cover and given to homos to keep them working and collabing with the holos, and getting messages/meetings from jurard

>>106278289
twintail day or something

>>106278218
SHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

>>106278299
Paying for the lifestyle of a girl's husband? No thanks.

>>106277120
>Nerissa
Nerissa is the typw of girl that you need to shower with affection, will baby trap you and if you don't say that you lover her atleast 50 times a day, she will stab you while saying that she loves you

I think we can all agree that male vtubers just shouldnt exist, they dont bring anything of value

>>106278243
that's the joke, the king of EN engine

>>106278299
And other lines that aged like milk

>>106278299
nice try I'm not giving my money to randon

>>106278320
she seems whiny, annoying, and boring

>>106278299
>p-please watch my indie whore holoGAWD
You beg like a phasepagger

You guys really love samefagging don't you

>>106278353
>>106278374
>>106278393
>1 min

>>106278396
What I really love is dunking on retards begging people to watch non-holo itt

>>106278396
sisters don't have content, all their corpos are dead so all they have left is pretending to be the people they hate

>>106278289
AZKi AZKi Kiiiii

*NOVEMBER 3RD FINAL EN TALLY*
>22,672: Saba (Indie)
>13,387: Elizabeth (Hololive English)
>12,366: Calliope (Hololive English)
>7,302: IRyS (Hololive English)
>6,788: Bijou (Hololive English)
>6,788: Nimi (Indie)
>5,971: Meloco (Nijisanji "English")

Three 5view streams for the podium and a draw. Gold for Saba and her second outfit reveal plus karaoke. Silver for Elizabeth and Justice's second Girls Night, and Bronze for Calliope's unarchived karaoke.

>RANKING PER POINTS (Gold = 3, Silver = 2, Bronze = 1)
Saba = 6p
Bijou, Calliope = 4p
Gigi, Elizabeth = 2p

>>106278326
vedal is the only exception

JP really likes that duck tarkov game? is it actually fun

>>106278066
>>106278166
you both might be seriously braindead

>>106278418
>this dogshit board can register posts instantly
Dyrbi

>>106278466
It's single player tarkov

>Pekonene 197,098 views
>Fubuki 223,013 views

did Pekonene really get 50k viewers?

>>106278469
great job mr. ligger representative

>>106278471
Give it up.
Everyone disliking his ligwhore is one person

>>106278461
Not even a vtuber

>>106278454
NOV 2025 EN GOLD
11/1 - Saba - Halloween 3D VRChat: 14,060
11/2 - Calliope - Devil May Cry 4: 112,767
11/3 - Saba - Archived Karaoke: 22,672

PER COMPANY
1x: Hololive English
2x: Indie

PER STREAMER
2x: Saba
1x: Calliope

>>106278535
NOV 2025 EN SILVER
10/1 - Bijou - Halloween 3D VRChat: 8,815
10/2 - Bijou - 3D Live: 39,726
10/3 - Elizabeth - Girls' Night: 13,387

PER COMPANY
2x: Hololive English

PER STREAMER
2x: Bijou

>>106278289
>girl holds hair like twintails
>looks embarrased
>it's cute

>>106278433
>all the biggest antis eventually had to become holofans
explains selenfag

>>106278445
Phasecuck.

>>106278567
OCT 2025 EN BRONZE
10/1 - Gigi - Halloween VRChat: 7,688
10/2 - Gigi - Accessory Reveal: 22,055
10/3 - Calliope - Unarchived Karaoke: 12,366

PER COMPANY
3x: Hololive English

PER STREAMER
2x: Gigi
1x: Calliope

>>106278575
This is why holofans must become indiefan in return!

Meanwhile in liggerland the grifter wars rage on

>>106276999
>>106278247
Ofcourse reddit list lmao

>>106278569
It's hot when hags do it

>>106278326
Yes
>nothing of value
One could argue that they are a net negative

My lower back suddenly started to hurt, now I cant recline

>>106278613
Aaaaaaaieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee so much text

>>106278607
i mean, hololive won't last forever. yagoo will retire one day and holos will graduate as they get older and wanna start a family with me

>>106278613
I aint reading those shitty long tweets
>not worth my time

>>106278613
>predebut
Opinion discarded

>>106278655
>hololive won't last forever
This is loser talk

>>106278613
I ain't reading all that

>>106278655
when they retire we get new talents and you have seen what happens to talents who retire.

>>106278613
>women saved me
>I must stand up for men
stupidity kink

>>106278689
...Is pekora and nene getting jiangshi outfit because they're already dead inside?

ok

idk much about merryweather guy but since kobo can stand by herself even with male collabing i guess its okay?

>>106277885
Those are obvious ones while the nimi posters are actually watching the stream and live posting. A lot of effort to falseflag that doesn't even pay off if they don't get pruned when they can just post a Nimi picture like selenfag if it was that angle so I don't think it's a falseflag

>>106278689
I love China now

peko is really struggling with the screaming retard

>>106278741
It's not okay can't you see men are suffering

>>106278666
>>106278673
well vshojo literally died out of nowhere in a few days, so who knows what big plot twist could happen

>>106278760
It doesn't matter what you think, let the white people think for you.

>>106278218
>>106278248
Where is Gigi's support of Biboo's song? She jumped on reaper cock right away but nothing for Biboo

>>106278793
It took them half a decade to die

>>106278396
What else they gonna do except timelooping the same thing for 3 months.

>>106278613
Predebut?

Don't look its a whore https://x.com/kukubimao/status/1985333134343504383

>>106278793
It didn't died out of nowhere.
Just like gura the writing was on the wall.

>>106278834
>the same thing for 3 months
Qrd three months ago?

>>106278760
>while the nimi posters are actually watching the stream and live posting
ok and?

>>106278814
So not coping napcucks like you

>>106278864
heh da wall

>>106278886
melty

>>106278870
Yes and they got pruned a few times revealing they were holo antis. One too many times

>>106278886
>>106278918
>1min

>>106278918
what about holo posters being nimi antis?

https://x.com/HoshimaruHyoshi/status/1985158525333442616

well that was fast

>>106278935
No shit? I'm replying to people that replied to me

>>106278947
Justified self-defend

>>106278947
>unironically just used "what about" not even as a joke
Napling is really mad getting caught shitposting about holo while also liveposting, huh

Here come the melty cuckling

Pekora should sleep,her focus is obviously failing

>discord bros desperate for people to believe their falseflag
why can you never be subtle? is it the skin colour?

>>106277795
thats messed up

>>106278821
What do you mean, did Biboo support Gigi's I'll Still be Here?

>>106278947
It's morally right to shit on a retard that overlaps EN concerts, is no longer in good standing with her former gen and interacts with dumb and dumber instead

>>106279002
They fall for
THE
MOST

>>106279002
Naplings think if they falseflag enough, we'll believe it

>>106278989
>Matsuri : 272k vod
>Biboo : 267k vod

>>106279010
Bettel x mint collab when?

>>106278613
TOTAL HOMO GENOCIDE!

>>106278956
so like I said >>106278947
>ok with "napcuck" shitposting
>>106278886
>but no holo anti pls
>>106278918

This is my favorite EN

>>106279056
Yeah? This is the holo thread

>>106276922 (OP)
Kiara whore mogged by mori

>>106279018
She showed up to her birthday stream that counts

>>106278948
16 likes out of 772 views in 14 hours, I guess the pebbles hate it?

>>106279009
I can save her

>>106279080
But they are on the same side, napnig.

So who has the February sololive slot?

>>106279088
I literally just saw it? Its ok.

>>106279056
Napcuck isn't shitposting though. The LLD made it canon that naplings are cucks.

>>106279074
Op says number, maybe you should change the title to Holonumbers, then you can properly kick out all discussion that isn't Hololive

>>106279022
Nimi isn't holoen. who cares if she overlaps something she's not a part of anymore. Gigi and Kiara overlapped Nimi and Saba's debut.

>>106279090
I don't want her to be saved, the kid is the problem there.

>>106279131
Newfag or nijinigger
call it

>>106279135
It wouldn't matter if she didn't lie about supporting and watching the holos on the stage after she left. The rest of her friends and other ex-holos watched it but she had to stream some shitter kusoge instead of watching her former genmates perform. Very bad look. No wonder they don't talk to her anymore.

>>106279074
Saba won EN gold tho

>>106279063
Can you create one with biboo

>>106279158
Nah I'm neither. You'd rather not change the thread to Holonumbers because you want to shitpost about any drama that gets posted here. You want to have an excuse to shit on anyone not Holo.

>>106278689
Can you create one but all towa

>>106279199
So just a tourist then.

>>106279175
She overlapped day 2 , didn't overlap day 1. You need to cry more.
>B-but she said
How many times have a Holo said "we should collab again soon" and then it never fucking happens

>>106279177
Only after dodging biboo's concert thoughbeit

>>106279177
Only the actual tally really matters, Saba is never winning that. Unless she has her own 3D live I guess.

>>106279177
>karaoke + outfit reveal gets destroyed by mori playing dmc

Doesn't matter what you say overlapping the biggest event of holoEN make her a holoan thoughbeit.

>>106279175
she didn't overlap the first day, there's a VOD for day 2 she could watch later. why take 2 days off instead of streaming for her fans that care about her more than the concert, like me?

>>106279239
>A fucking paid concert

woah what? pahse is having another gen?

>>106279215
The day her former genmates performed yes. Can you explain why they don't interact with her? What's your cope there?

>>106279256
>>106279250
Cuckling...

>>106279215
Honestly it just sounds like you watch the wrong vtubers

I need to move country
https://x.com/kana3941/status/1984872025438241137

>posting holoan in the holothread
>hurrdurr why the hate
Cuckoldry truly rot the brain.

DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>106279239
This. Unironically. Dooby went there in person. Saba probably watched it online. The rest of her indie friends like mint and hyuni and Ashton were watching it
Nimi..

>>106279260
>The day her former genmates performed yes.
Was she supposed to know what days people would be performing

Why is it so easy to rile up the local napling. It's like free (you)s for hours

>>106279315
>the cuckposter unironically wrote this

>>106279315
I'm not a Napling I just like shitting up the thread with devils advocate because you retards won't stop samefagging regardless of whether or not I respond

>>106279326
Another one
It's just that easy

>>106279239
>Gigi overlapped Nimi's debut
>Kiara overlapped Saba's debut, with fucking expedition 33
the holos were way worse, retard

>>106279250
>takes days off to do laundry and send emails
>taking off a day for theonce a year concert to watch "friends" perform is too much
I guess caspur and randon are her true friends now

>>106279315
The naplings never got over this thread being /uuu/2 and are still struggling to cope

>>106279306
You think they wouldn't tell her?
Why wouldn't they tell her??

>>106279337
>I'm not a Napling
lol
lmao

>>106279345
The concert has way more work put in and is worth more than their indie "debut"

>106279345
>bro really thought his random indie stream is as important as holoEN's concert

>>106279350
she took off the first day, retard

>>106278613
Daily ligger drama fest. How do ligger fans even deal with this type of nonsense every single day?

>>106279384
Caspurr get down

it replied to me

>>106279184
just do it yourself https://files.catbox.moe/1pmppe.mp4

>>106279337
Sure thing napcuck

>>106279359
Like someone used to said
>WE ARE NOT FRIEND

>>106279359
>Leaking confidential information
Lmao

>>106279306
Just watch both days like any fan of hololive does
She is really a fan of hololive right? :)

>>106279389
>concert didn't even sell out
>brats bought more tickets than the amount of people that wanted to go
>even tried giving them away for free last minute
"important concert" lmao

>>106279446
She quit.

>>106279480
nice threadreading

>>106279484
So is she a fan of hololive or not?

Warning this nigger pisses you off for reasons you can't explain

>>106279484
That doesn't answer the question

>>106279304
>Saba probably watched it online
>was busy playing Sekiro
burn it down, tear it down.

>>106279301
Seems to be doing alright. Last I checked it was pretty close to 900k views on the Gachiakuta anime YT channel

>>106279543
>playing Sekiro
lol

>>106279566
Code?

>>106279515
hes a fat fuck that will steal your pizza

>>106279554
Yeah not bad. I thought it would do worse because people already heard the song so the surprise factor isn't there

>>106279403
"Indies" are not a corporation, fans of one don't (and shouldn't) have to defend or watch other indies just because they're indies

>>106279635
didnt you already posted this?

>>106279605
>fans of one don't (and shouldn't) have to defend or watch other indies just because they're indies
You're missing the nature of their objection: these particular ones are not "fans of such and such indie girl", they're "haters of corporate vtubers"

>>106279653
I didn't

>>106279635
Does this fag still live off vtubing? I know hes a 3view and its possible, but someone actually gives him money?

>>106279665
grim

https://x.com/nocontextholoID/status/1985169546614075477
https://x.com/nocontextholoID/status/1985169546614075477
https://x.com/nocontextholoID/status/1985169546614075477

Don't look its a high school girl https://x.com/shiryohost/status/1984777727149555866

>>106279711
>someone actually gives him money?
the one in the picture, yes.

Kiara wants to kidnap a Japanese masseuse
https://x.com/takanashikiara/status/1985284222173823208

>>106279774
Kiara is so autistic...

>>106277285
she should quit holo lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/wZrwhMzM-m0
https://youtube.com/shorts/wZrwhMzM-m0
https://youtube.com/shorts/wZrwhMzM-m0

>>106279570
>>103913782
>>103917289
>>103942617
>>103970594

>>106279828
Nah keep her away from sabadooby. She can have Nimi though

>>106279833
>this is the fastest I've seen Ina move
Kek

>>106279774
nobody cares

>>106279899
Kiaraschizo lost

>>106279899
I care

>>106279858
The fact that you think she can even play sekiro is lol worthy

>>106279774
>tries to take holomem to austria
>tries to take a jp massage lady to austria
kiar...

>>106279828
fuck that, don't threaten to torture the ex-holo fans...

>>106279921
That's for the Maldives though

>>106279774
Yellow fever can't be contained

>>106279915
I'm not even that anon or someone that hates Kiara but that is a very boring tweet and probably some shit she's said a million times by now in her streams

>>106279920
she liked it cause of rhythm game autism or whatever

>>106279980
Funny that sounds just like what kiaraschizo would say

>>106279980
I don't care

>>106279986
That's what she claimed but then she gave up on it like everything else she does

>>106280002
No I think they would say that they do hate her anon.

>>106279980
yeah but it's /#/ so what if the jp massage lady was actually a gigachad man touching up Kiara

https://x.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1985285147353354535
https://x.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1985285147353354535
https://x.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1985285147353354535

I have something to say, listen up.
.
.
.
Kiara

>>106278575
>explains selenfag
No the fuck it doesn't. Do you people have the memory of a goldfish? Did you forget how he tries to deflect to holo and ex-holo/niji "yabs" every time something happens in cucksanji? He was doing this just a week ago when the Reimu x Bari docky wars were happening

>>106280054
Funnily enough Kiara also praised some dude in Europe or Maldives or some shit who gave her a great massage and she wanted to go back to him

>>106280060
>Hololive member talking about their husband on main
yikes

>>106280077
lol he did it yesterday even

>>106280061
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I like the short version of the Gachiakuta song better because I have adhd

>>106280061
Yeah i want her to sit on my face while she makes fun of me in german

Who are (You) watching?

>>106280194
Waiting for my girlfriend Gigi

>>106279506
She hasn't talked or collabed with any Holo or ex-holo in months. What do you think? She's obviously bitter at Cover.

>>106280194
I am watching Anime

>>106280194
no one's live, waiting 6 hours for maybe nimi

Did Twilight really use a 3rd account to post homoshit?

>>106280194
Riona

>>106277275
Fauna is a bad example because Kronii obviously took the yuribaiting seriously.

>>106277285
Raora. I don't understand why firepussy isn't more popular. They are the only couple that has actually kissed.

>>106280194
Riona

>>106280216
she isn’t your girlfriend mori

>>106280194
Riona mourning her duck

>>106280240
Worse

>Dokibird is collabing with notIke
RRATS!?!?!

>>106280248
>>106280290
>>106280331
Flowglow is a success, I am watch Pekora

>holos that supported Biboo's 3D live or song in some way(retweet, chat, comment)
>Mori
>Ina
>Hakos Baelz
>IRyS
>Shiori
>Nerissa
>Fuwawa
>Mococo
>ERB
>Raora
>Cecilla

>Holos that haven't shown any support
>Kiara
>Gigi
>Kronii

Kronii was on vacation so she gets a pass but what is the orange holos problem with Biboo?

>>106280218
>last was the Kiara cosplay tweet 2 months ago
>Saba and Dooby barely streamed
>nimi and holos are both busy with their own shit

>>106280382
Noticing a pattern

oh, Doki and Ike fucked, lucky him

>>106280356
Yeah and also playing SF6 and Apex (see>>106280334), 2023 never left baby

>>106280414
>He apologized
AIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE

>>106280414
GOOGLE DOKIKE

Nijisister meltdown in progress

>>106280382
calm down, pebble. why are you trying to make more enemies

>>106280414
Get ready for the nimi and shiori spam

>>106280392
Saba and dooby replaced her with another green lmao
She was even streaming the same day so she could've joined REPO

>>106280392
Remember when Saplings attacked Kiara for calling Fauna out for cheating on AOE? Now they are forced to prance her twitter mentions, lol.

>>106280442
>asking permission to queen Doki to please let me have a career

>>106280414
>>106280442
Welp if shit ITT goes nuclear you know where the fuck it's coming from

>>106280465
what was Nimi's crime against Sabadoob? I don't get it

>Ike apologized
So, he knew that Niji were in the wrong?

>>106280382
I hate kiara

>>106280414
He's handsome irl, isn't he? Embarrassing for Doki.

>>106280414
Who is ike/xandu again? Someone remind me if this guy graduated or not
If he didn't graduate he still supports black company

>>106280382
>Gigi
>haven't shown any support
check the BBGG collab anon...

>>106280382
Why are you lying?

>>106280414
>Apologizes privately to Doki
Why didn't he apologize publicly? What an asshole, don't trust him for one second Doki.

>>106280504
I don't care about his looks, he fucked Doki, he's the lucky one

>>106280522
it's kiaraschizo

>>106280382
Kronii wasn't even on vacation even she was in panic mode because she got stranded with Korea worried for her parents

>>106280497
>>106280518
>>106280522
Ok I missed that one. So it's only fucking Kiara who pretends Biboo doesn't exist

>>106280516
He was a blackstreamer who Elira used in the blackstream because he was friendly with Selen and it was emotional blackmail.

>>106280414
Grim as fuck

>>106280489
We don't know. Maybe they felt insulted she hid her bf.

>>106280414
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
>DUST OUT THE APOLOGY FORM, NIJISISTERS!

>>106280567
So did he end up graduating? Kind of a lame apology if he still supports the company

So, how are Nijisisters gonna run damage control?

>>106280382
this is why we hate kiara

>>106280516
>If he didn't graduate
He didn't just graduate anon, he fucking vanished. Straight up disappeared. A month later he issued a final qritten goodbye with no graduation stream. All we know is that he unfollowed Ethyria on twitter before it happened.

Only a week ago he dropped documents alleging he was bullied out of the company by Ethyria.

>>106280555
Why was she worried? First time I hear of this.

>>106280603
He not only graduated but all traces of him were erased from the Internet (channel, VODs, clips)

Still, participating in the Black Stream will be his legacy

>>106280603
hes the one that graduated and erased everything from his channel

>>106280589
Probably because the bf is fucking Randon
Lime also did a LLD so it can't be only that

>>106280604
I don't know, but it's embarrassing for Doki that she forgave him without a public apology.

>>106280636
>>106280638
>>106280620
Fair enough then

>>106280561
it's weird because Biboo has no problem with Kiara (call in for birthday or others events)

>>106280646
I shitpost Nimi all day and your Randon rrat is retarded

>>106280622
Kronii is very protecive of her parents and she doesn't let them travel without her usually, but she thought the issue with her visa would clear so she told them to go, turned out it didn't clear and she was worried for them until she heard they made it ok

>>106280603
Bro, he was basically terminated, deleted all his social media for a while, then she ex-gf (Bari) had a spat with notReimu, he gave Bari the ok to drop a Google dock on her which exposed that exposed Vox grooming his fans and dating Reimu. Where have you been?

>>106280561
I dunno whats her problem, but she treats Biboo pretty coldly, doubt Biboo notices or cares but it is what it is. Self absorbed I guess.

>>106280620
God damn how much influence does Ethyria have over the branch? It's just Millie and Enna right?

>>106280622
her whole family is being targeted by the korean yakuza, that's why they have to move all the time while in canada

>>106280676
Biboo has no problem with anyone but I don't think Kiara cares for her very much for her. She talks about Nerissa and Shiori from Advent instead but rarely biboo if ever

>>106280561
Fuck kiara

Reminder that Gigi is a Nijisister

>>106279635
Friendly reminder that holostars was, still is and forever will be cover's biggest mistake.
>huge money sink for almost a decade
>the embodiment of leeching
>the personification of missed oportunities
>waste slots in the studio schedule taking space for things that matter like the girls 3D anniversaries or birthday events
>the main cause of fan division/conflict
>a proxy for holoantis
>destroyed sponsorship deals because homomanagement gives those deals to those fags when no holo is specified and no sponsor wants to invest on those shitters to promote their stuff
>nothing of value generated in 3 years, in the beggars own words the most memorable thing from homostars is the salt collabs and nothing else
>at least one of them is a fucking anti
>they debuff holo girls whenever they interact
>they debuff projects where they are included
>the shame of the company as they have to hide them in their financial reports
>damaged girls's careers
>took Fauna away
>gave a bad year to Mori and Kronii
>caused a civil war inside the branch
>inflicted huge amounts of stress in most of the EN girls to the point several of them went into long hiatus or considered graduation
>Dev_is was a branch designed initially to collab with those fags and it tanked those girls numbers so hard that Suisei and Marine had to intervene
>hlzntl was a project designed to boost those fags and again make them collab with holos, got so much backlash that the project got shut down instantly
>not gonna mention merch
>not gonna mention concert tickets
Net negative branch and will always be until it's disolved, the only correct thing cover has done regarding these fags is giving them their own buses and hotel rooms far away from the girls.

>>106280750
Reimu got cheated on by Vox and tried to get with Ike on the rebound. Ike's girlfriend went crazy with rage and got management to fire her. Ethyria excluded Ike from everything because Reimu was angry about his girlfriend standing in her way. Ike is generally a very nice guy, but was bullied so badly by Ethyria that his mental health went down the drain.

>>106280476
Fauna didn't cheat tho? They brought up holo mentions for some reason, and i think your post is copy and pasted from before

>>106280711
It's like a less intense version of Gura/Biboo

>>106280861
Yeah thats how I would put it. Maybe she cant find anything in common with her and doesnt feel like trying either, same as Kronii and Biboo desu.

>>106280646
>the bf is fucking Randon
Nimi married a gay/bi man?! and they're cheating on her?! I guess she should divorce and marry me

>>106280414
So this completely exonerates Elira and Vox from all fault and makes it obvious they did it because management told them to do so.

>>106277578
>nothing about the matome sites talk
>nothing about that last awkward "redirect/raid" exchange
Meh, sanitized cherrypicked Discord translation

>>106280414
Niji was a fuck fest, who would've known.

>>106280928
Kronii did collab with Biboo in smaller groups with Kaela. Also visited her handcam stream and gave her a massage irl but I do wish they had an actual 1:1

>>106280750
Full archive links btw
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/106204598/#106215478

>>106280943
kek not even fucking close

>>106280414
Nijimelty incoming
Brace for nimi spam

>>106280959
qrd?
if you want to dramabait then tell us what we're missing

>>106280646
It's not impossible, but it's a hard sell. Randon is not vegan, he's probably gay and he's not her type(her last 2 bfs were Asian stem nerds), Randon is black.

>>106280986
Why would Ike apologize if he wasn't forced? And why would it be only him who was forced? Use your brain a little retard.

>>106280943
Elira you aren't off the hook you fat cunt
Stop posting here

why is the Kiaraschizo mindbroken today?

If the nijisisters are going to crash out again, can they falseflag and deflect using a different oshi besides my adorable fishwife? Yesterday was pretty crazy.

>>106281113
He literally got bullied out of your shit company you fucking retarded pig, by your organs

>>106281104
>vegan
anon...

>>106281149
>today

>>106281104
Randon is bi and probably hispanic/white not black but yeah she does have a type

>nukes Vox and Ethyria with leaks
>comes back from total disappearance just to side with Dokibird
lmao this nigger nuked niji harder than the coward Mint ever did

>>106281152
Yesterday was the jeetkaneer

>>106281167
He quit. If he was bullied out he would have returned to vtubing immediately, kind of like what Fauna did when she was forced out of Hololive.

I need a nap

>>106281149
bro nobody likes kiara here

>>106280382
I would be embarrassed to support a sub 40k live desu

>>106281230
OK napling

Live by the Luxiem, die by the Luxiem.

>>106281212
Yeah keep trying you piggy

>>106281231
the nobody, is only you kiaraschizo.

>>106281149
Mori exposed botting herself again
Shiori continuing to be a runt

>>106280761
>Biboo has no problem with anyone
I remember when this moment happened and I thought Kronii hated Biboo for being loud and annoying I feel the same, she even shut up for a bit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl75K5sMpnU&t=7149s

>>106276922 (OP)
kiara mogged by mori

>>106281261
No one cares about this high school drama. Notice how everyone stopped talking about it once Bari shit herself and revealed she was just a psycho jealous yandere?

>>106280285
She goes through pairings as if they're underwear. That it happens so often ends up lessening the appeal because even though they kissed, the idea that it's just for show will be more prominent in the viewers head. And yuri baiting usually is for show, yes, but you can't make it too obvious.

>>106281231
>>106281284
bro you can't fool even yourself

>>106281305
No? It stopped because the google docky got taken down by anykara

>>106276999
>shiori NTRvella
>hell yeah
yep this is a filipino list

>>106277949
>They toned it down days ago
but recently i saw ryza oneshota, is a handjob a toned down?

>>106281287
I don’t think kronii hates her but she isn’t as close to biboo like the rest of promise

>>106281355
>leak shit illegally and add some slander
>get your stuff taken down
woowwwwwwww

>>106281305
In your own little deluded world where you can retreat and pretend that your organs are not vile cunts fucking each other? sure
She never retreated, and the nigga coming back right after it prove that he let her leak all of it kek

>>106280684
Why? Is she afraid of schizos?
>>106280832
>Still in denial.
She did cheat.

>>106281104
>he's probably gay
he wanted to hatefuck Nagito from Danganronpa 2

>>106281403
goalpost = moved

>>106280285
There is no tension and no fun for shippers if they straight for a kiss

>>106281287
Yeah, Biboo has no problem with anyone, some like Kronii and Kiara I guess do.

>>106281250
runts like kiara and biboo should stick together then

>>106281425
That has never stopped anyone from talking about it. We were still talking about the Haachama yab even after her stream was over and deleted. No one cares about your attempt at "drama" and that's a fact.

Kronii got mad IRyS screamed Biboo's name instead...

>nijipig damage control
>in a dead thread on a dead board
lol

>>106280414
>>106280442
This confirms one of two things: either Reimu/Marie never tried to reach out, or she did, but Doki ignored her.

>>106281489
you're assuming people are not talking about this thing either.

>>106281403
>illegally
Did Beri have a NDA with niji?

>>106280382
kiara was flying to japan

>>106281287
Didnt Kiara complain about loud noises and Biboo stopped speaking for a while and use drawing on screen? I think it was AmongUs collab or something

>>106281568
Based kiara

>they didn do nuthing
anybody that stayed in nijiEN after the selen shit is garbage person lol

NOTHING beats Niji drama. Your indie drama is all well and good, your Holo drama is piddlesticks. But Niji drama, that's the good shit right there.

>Ike knelt
Soon that bitch Elira and that faggot Vox will kneel too

>>106281084
NTA but nenechi did a bit of containmentbreaking and referenced a matome meme and mentioned knowing it from there while pekora pretended to not get it and the awkward raid is overexagurated but nenechi couldnt raid pekora probably because pekora isnt subscribed to nenechi

>>106279041
>VOD cope
I thought only chumbuds did that.

>>106281407
>She did cheat.
How can you cheat on someone you're not in a relationship with?

>>106281548
It's very easy to look this up and see that leaking private conversations with the aim to defame is illegal. Bari could be sued.

>>106280285
another Kiara fling forgotten like Korone or when Nerissa was known as the huge KFP, now Nerissa is just for bloodraven and maybe shioraven twitterfags

One of the funniest things in my opinion is how much Ike hated Luca. Actual visceral distaste, could barely even tolerate listening to him talk.

>>106281644
NTA but the conversation is about cheating in AOE

>>106281615
>2325
kek

>damage control
>deflection to Haachama
>deflection to PekoNene nothing burger
Yep, it started

>>106281623
VOD views isn't a cope though. It's objectively the best metric for viewership performance.

>>106281611
ike never stood up dude he was just filling space in that black stream.

Kronii and Biboo don't have much in common, except for Kaela.
But Kiara and Biboo...

>>106281615
I get the impression Nene gets menhera because she spends too much time reading anti sites and this just confirms that lmao

>>106281713
Both are Asian

jwu, qrd on the niji yab?

>>106281713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lcWaRmz4lk

>>106280414
lmao that's crazy
to be fair he barely said anything during black screen stream and clearly was not comfortable being there

>>106281623
Whats the cope? Or are you saying a bunch of people are going and watching Biboo's 3D live vod and no one is doing the same for Matsuri's. To the point where Biboo's is about to catch up to Matsuri's.

>>106281769
content warning was a great arc it even got Gura to come back and stream for a bit

>>106281645
>Bari could be sued
Good luck pulling this shit if she's not jap lol

>>106281407
>she wanted elephants so she chose the elephant group at the start
>chat liked the elephants, and wanted to spam them even
>fauna didn't do anything chat specifically said, just what she wanted
cheating doko? reading chat was happening with kiara's team as well i think.

>>106279578
Yeah?
boruto villains look dumb, and the art style just makes it worse

>>106281615
>>106281728
no wonder some of these girls go crazy, they're addicted to being retarded and browsing places that essentially hate on them.

>>106281615
nobody could raid pekora she had raids off or whatever setting youtube has

>>106281489
>We were still talking about the Haachama yab

>>106281198
swedes know how to play both sides

>>106281769
yeah, there is more interaction between the two of them than between Kiara and Biboo ...

>>106281568
Biboo needs to fix her voice to be more appealing same with kiara lol but she must pander to the lolicons i guess...

>>106281854
Mori referenced numberfriending on stream last night
She was the most confirmed /here/ of the ENs but we now have her blessing as THE MOST

This one nigger has been deflecting to kiara v biboo ever since doki forgave Ike.
Coincidence?

>>106281870
oh then its even less of a yab than the nijinigger is trying to make it out to be

>>106281615
kek 2325 is what she really should've asked

>>106281645
No names were revealed in the leaks, good luck trying to tie them to any of your organs sister

>>106281401
Holy fuck Bao The Whale is such a stupid moron.
Not the one you are thinking of, this one is from Canada you wouldn't know her.

>>106281932
what did she say?
also sometimes it's ok. it's mori, she may have been dumb before but she clearly always understood what these places are about and not to take them seriously, clearly not so much some JPs like nene.

>>106281932
timestamp?

>>106281932
Stop coming /here/ mori

>>106281945
korone a while ago also wanted to raid pekora after I think ENs raided her and couldn't... pretty sure she later complained to pekora about it lol

>>106281665
And it's funny that there are both sides of that in the google docs, Raziel and Beri, their respective contemporary girlfriends

>>106281703
>objectively the best metric for viewership performance
>Mori's DMC VOD views
are we counting natty performance?

>>106281401
Really nice way to kill your first argument (male V-Tubers are all groomers) by having a second, completely idiotic and fucking retarded one

>>106281929
Why hasn't grok turned this into them all kissing yet

>>106281665
Does that fag still day pog every other sentence?

>>106281930
Pfft, I would rather she change nothing. Much more important and popular girls like Biboo.

>>106281198
Mint had been hurting from vshojo rug pulling everything she's ever dreamed of so please back off and let her leech Hololive in peace

>>106282024
Not just male vtubers, male content creators.

>>106281944
ya it's selenfag, exact same posts and retardation

>>106281816
the final SNOT collab...

>>106282069
My wives

>>106281932
>isreal

>>106281979
She was responding to someone asking whether it mattered if they looped the Topic or MV of her music
>>106281983
Unarchived you can see the reaction /here/ and in /hlgg/ when it happened though

>Mori is /ourgirl/
What do we do with this information

>>106282069
>>106281929

>>106282178
figure out a way to get her into gigis spats

>>106282178
Nothing since it's not even new information

>>106282108
Kek we always loved mori here anyways so I doubt she had seen any nasty stuff

>>106282044
that's fine, just means i'll never watch biboo or any collabs with her

>>106282217
Mori she is already taken please give it a rest

>>106282178
how new?

>>106280414
https://x.com/ug_haruP/status/1985405119496638480

>>106282223
Im sure she cares.

>>106282220
>we always loved mori here anyways
newfag

https://youtu.be/3cEUPoPXz7E
holy mecha kino...

>>106282266
IT BEGINS HAHAHAHAHAHAH