Thread 106284081

Nijisanji EN YouTube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@nijisanji_en/channels
https://www.youtube.com/@petragurin/channels

Twitter:
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World
https://twitter.com/i/lists/1415262975435231235

LazuLight:
https://twitter.com/EliraPendora
https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu

OBSYDIA:
https://twitter.com/Petra_Gurin

Ethyria:
https://twitter.com/MillieParfait
https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette

Luxiem:
https://twitter.com/Luca_Kaneshiro
https://twitter.com/Shu_Yamino
https://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma

Noctyx:
https://twitter.com/Sonny_Brisko
https://twitter.com/Uki_Violeta
https://twitter.com/Alban_Knox

ILUNA:
https://twitter.com/MariaMari0nette
https://twitter.com/AiaAmare
https://twitter.com/ScarleYonaguni
https://twitter.com/RenZott0

XSOLEIL:
https://twitter.com/D_Dropscythe
https://twitter.com/MelocoKyoran
https://twitter.com/Ver_Vermillion

Krisis:
https://twitter.com/VezaliusBandage
https://twitter.com/Tyrant_Vanta
https://twitter.com/YuQWilson

TTT:
https://twitter.com/ClaudeClawmark

Denauth:
https://twitter.com/RyomaBarrenwort
https://twitter.com/KlaraCharmwood

BY THE BEAT:
https://twitter.com/Seible_2434
https://twitter.com/KaelixDebonair
https://twitter.com/Freo_2434
https://twitter.com/ZealGinjoka

Teamup schedule for Nijisanji EN:
https://teamup.com/kstk7egnopr3xiqj4h

To watch streams at the same time:
https://niji-mado.web.app/home

Graduated Livers and Miscellaneous:
https://rentry.org/7k4s6man

Reminder to ignore bait, shitposting, samefags, discordfags, numberfags, tribalfags, and falseflaggers.

Previous thread: >>106271994

Both of them have a jungle bush

i miss claude..

>>106284081 (OP)
Save me sheeshfeesh!!!

real thread
>>106282890
>>106282890
>>106282890

>>106284081 (OP)
>betrayed by Pomu
>betrayed by Selen
>betrayed by Nina
>betrayed by Ike
Oh they must be seething KEK

>>106284127
he’s having gay sex rn btw

Catastrophic day for the unemployed

>>106284148
who's the top though

>>106284142
>KEK

When will nijien do another vrchat meet and greet?

Kadou

>>106284142
And he is the first male to do that
Good job Ike, now you can have these free ex-niji pussies all you want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cV-7ee5YGo
wilson needs to stop naming his stream titles like this because i'm THIS close to violently raping his shounen body

>>106284247
They don't deserve it

>>106284207
claude tops everyone by virtue of actually working out

>>106284142
>betrayed by Pomu
Now someone post that clip of her singing diamond city lights

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mikaru

>>106284276
>Elira and Finana completely disown DCL by not singing it during this year's Lazulight anniversary
>Mint says fuck it and decides to make it hers
Based Minto

>>106284256
Hey Silly~
Come here~
You know you wanna~~

>>106284255
Sometimes I forget Kuro still ass-kisses Nijisanji

>losing ikeposters after this
/nijien/ keep getting deader and deader

Nijikwab

>>106284321
unironically why do you keep repeating this

>>106284276
i'd rather post her following stream where she excused herself for choosing the song (it was strictly to make her fans happy) and said she'd never sing it again

>>106284321
>minto hates niji guys!!
>uhh she's just making dcl hers!!
Chat is this coping?

>>106284321
BAAAAASED

>>106284335
anti seethe

greetings travelers! please avoid using the words listed in the picture to avoid disturbing the local wildlife. thank you

>>106284323
it only works when willy says it, i'm not a slut for anyone but him

>>106284405
so are you gonna answer this?
>>106284386

>>106281156
Even if doki was in the wrong if this could get people to stop shitting on every niji I could accept this. It would however be very psychopathic if he did indeed give bari permission which explains why he aligns himself with doki. Just unsure why they're all like this. Not a single one of them has the morals not to grift?

He's breastfeeding feeding https://litter.catbox.moe/q118h0w4bo02hi2l.jpg

>>106284449
Damn how fucking bad is your dive grass team

How did it come to this?

>>106284455
tch

>>106284309
He's such a good friend

>asian
>menhera
ike never stood a chance

>>106284342
We got mikaru and ririmu posters instead

>>106284449
>go away
kek

>>106284521
You see, NijiEN management had this idea to hire certain people for Ethyria and Luxiem, and the rest is history

>>106284549
i thought they were the same person

>>106284521
One fat bpd menhera whore had a melty about not being allowed to break the rules.

>>106284449
Every time I see this filter list I have a hearty laugh. Why would you even filter words like "protagonist"? The only thing funnier than this is knowing there's one retard who actually uses it unironically.

Ok, quildren, you do not belong here anymore, create your own thread and go away. Stop posting ike shit this ike shit that also, it has nothing to do with nijien anymore

>>106284386
>It was to make her fans happy
She actually said it was happier and simpler times then even made up a follow up tweet about it

>>106284569
It really, genuinely just comes down to that clique being a literal legion of doom-esque gallery of villains, huh...

>>106284612
this but Me

>>106284612
why do you hate myanon

>Say you’ll never come back to the internet because of your mental health.
>Disappear for six months with no updates for your fans.
>Return by sharing private messages publicly and claim you’ve healed
>Immediately stream with someone who caused a massive harassment campaign against you and your colleagues
That’s… quite the recovery arc. Ike should gave us the number of his therapist!

Do you guys still love me?

>>106284579
I had never seen the ririmu poster talk about mikaru streams

>the twitter quiildren that got infamously KWABbed is still silent even after Ike's return
oof...

>>106284646
But he's not collabing with Ethyria

>>106284646
Don't blame Ike Lennon. Blame Bari Ono

>>106284643
Real myanon dead, when you someone posting about amamiya, they are lolicon and a jp viewer

I'm going to Quill myself

>>106284490
hag cosplaying 16 and pregnant

>>106284646
>Anon fell for it
LMAO

>>106284627
>genuinely just comes down to that clique being a literal legion of doom-esque gallery of villains
But enough about dokimint!

doki, ike, and bari should do a group sudoku :)

Go make your xandu thread or whatever quildren oh btw change your fanbase name also make it Xander or something

So does anyone still have a positive opinion of Niji or Ethyria at this point? I'm not trying to insult you, but curious what the possible defense would be?

>>106284748
Mint should get a slutty gyaru outfit. I bet Ayamy mama would be delighted to make it.

Is the Bao and Shondo stuff that bad that they're deflecting this hard?

>>106284685
He used her as a shield and let her take all the blame and face the backlash. She ended up doing the hard part for him while everyone saw him as the victim. Honestly, I’m starting to feel bad for her instead

igg:)

>>106284748
I completely agree. I love gyarus. I miss Kotoka.

>>106284718
>"when I asked for food they asked me for my credit card"
Truly the work of a villainous mastermind

what if doki starts dating xandu

>>106284776
>>106284795
Mhmm, yes, yes.

not enough sonny posts

>>106284826
Won't even be a surprise

>>106284826
Little lore drop, Ike is straight

Thread is so bad that i can keep talking about Mikaru with myself and no one notice

>ex ens
>menheras and grifters
I choose to side with the good people

>>106284742
>Xander

>>106284779
The man stuff really isn't that bad, but they are deflecting off of Bao's ass hattery when it came from commissions and having them posted soon. I mean it made the SKEB Twitter iterating in English on its guidelines.

>bari still fucking dead
>dropped a menhera girlfriend for a more fat menhera chinese woman
Kek your oshi, does he have yellow fever? What about superior white people generation

>>106284748
Finana confirmed that she has huge tits, and it's hot.
That's pretty much it.

Kneel to me you fucking mother fuckers

>>106284864
I should do this but with the retarded cow

3thyria really uses this branch as their own personal dating site huh?

>>106284910
This is so sad bro.

>>106284864
Talk more about yoi yume

>>106284864
Holy based and snail pilled

Tell me more about the JP cow who plays retro games

I kinda understand why Fulgur stopped interacting with Millie now.

>nina poaching livers left and right
>reimu can't keep her upper and bottom mouth shut
>millie bullying members from the inside
>enna friends with kyo
ethyria is a mistake

>>106284910
I kneel

>>106284989
She eats a lot of beef

Mods please delete this thread it's clearly a shitpost

>>106284276
This shit is the same cope as:
>but Elira and Pomu went to Antarctica

>>106285009
how did Enna manage to be the best one

i get the apeal for mikaru and the cute cow but what about the other two?

>>106284724
The logic-based, combinatorial number-placement puzzle game?

Marie if you're reading this you are playing the game wrong, you don't need to say the truth or even post proof, just say he's a pedo with even the slightest most shitty subjective proof like him being a lolicon and say you had bad experiences with him IRL or that he started dating Bari when she was underage. Also do it right when he's in the collab so he can't respond to it in time

>>106284622
uh, no? one "PoorProPlayer", esq., wrote "Reminded me of simpler times as vtuber fan." (nothing about happiness) in one superchat, which she read. she then attempted to justify it by saying it was a last-minute inclusion, that it was "truly a little treat" for those who woke up early to go watch her (the concert started early in the morning), and also that "it's not a song that [she] will sing probably ever again".

>>106285044
She definitely isn't. Ask yourself the real reason Hex and Kyo left.

>>106285044
she's bad, but at least she keeps it to herself

>>106284989
Despite being cannibalism she is the top skillful with instruments in yoi yume

>>106284583
Be nice to Millie

What did we learn this year, /nijien/?

>>106285080
Marie has a history of being a pedophile defender and harrassing the victim so she doesn't have the credibility to be dropping false pedo accusations.

>>106285080
She can't because she fucked a little boy too

>>106284276
>>106284386
>>106284622
Real Mintodachis know that she actually enjoyed her time in NijiEN at the start and only grew to hate it over time as management got worse, and also she enjoyed Elira and Finana as her genmates. Even though Finana never paid her back for the trip to that Genshin convention.

>>106284864
ok but why mikarun is so bad at videogames?

>>106284795
>split, pierced tongue
I'M LISTENING

>>106285129
That corpo friendships are fake

>>106285129
too many kids on the internet

>>106284864
i wanna talk about rube but im dying

>>106285030
no this one is >>106282890

>>106285129
luxiem unity is worse than TTT

>>106284724
Ok marie

>>106285163
>only grew to hate it over time as management got worse
her poor bento man...

>>106285052
Cat loves playing minecraft, for salamander she has a sex moaning
https://files.catbox.moe/u2vaby.mp4

>>106285182
This is funny considering the oldest members of nijien are the ones causing all those problems

Kadou mikaru is not THAT bad at videogames, just a little retarded

>>106285230
all kids to me

>>106285129
Never trust your wavemate , they might backstab you right after they graduate

>>106285129
Vox licked Reimu's asshole

>>106285229
Holy lewd

>>106285129
we truly are in the chinese century

how would nijisanji look if ethyria never became a thing?

>>106285188
That's the real thread

>>106285229
miku is also a singer too, with the collab ban lifted now I'm sure she will start doing more dam karaokes with others.

how things turned out after graduation tier list

>>106285179
>i could make friends so it's all fake!!
it's like that kid who sat alone during lunch.

>>106285129
we are the bad guys all along...

>>106285129
Selen won

>>106285085
Retard, she was in some convention, there was no superchat. It's a song she probably won't sing again because drama grifters hate it when she implies she's still friends with NijiEN members. You also flat out ignored her follow up tweet about Lazulight

>>106285301
body looks like that of a child but then shes got massive double Ds

>>106285301
Holy Sexkaru

>>106285296
I'd move Vivi down a tier honestly

Just fire the entire branch and pretend it never existed

>>106285129
I’m getting too old for this shit.

>>106285324
>nijitroons lost ike and are now coping that Mint totally doesn't hate niji despite claiming that she does hate it in the last thread
L M A O
M
A
O

>>106285296
Wose will be back....I still believe...
Kotoka straight up disappeared off the face of the earth and I'm so sad about it.

Yeah, Mikaru is kinda like an oppai loli

MarieFD in itt right now, say something nice and supportive to her. Let her know that we are on her side.

Idios soon

>>106285129
Ethyria and Luxiem were a mistake

molesting my cute shounen otouto but it's justifiably provoked for using lewd language in his stream title

>>106285342
kind of just wanted to put her with Kunai desu

>>106285394
no

>>106285377
please understand, they need more allies because they keep losing one after another

>>106285394
She caused this issue.

>>106285080
Good strat but nah I hope she's working on suing both him and his menhera ex for damages and harassment.

>>10628504
She has the most rotten personality, but through various circumstances she just doesn't commit any tangible yabs that people can tie her to besides just saying unfathomably mean and cruel shit and hiding behind "teehee le dark humor"
Not a stacy like Reimu so she has no catfights and probably got rejected by every male in Niji
Not a retarded monkey like MiLLLie so she doesn't have meltdowns in public
Not menhera like Nina

>>106284646
>someone who caused a massive harassment campaign against you and your colleagues
When did you stop hitting your girlfriend?

>>106285342
She's a consistent 500 ccv but now without giving Niji a cut and gets to do whatever content she wants. Pretty successful.
Also she's seemingly deeply embedded in the Pomudachi clique so it's odd she never collabed with Mint, probably too shy. She interacts with Oimo so fucking much.

>>106285296
>hell
I know you guys don't like her but I always enjoy her recent asmrs.

>>106285394
Thanks for the shit storm.

>>106285394
You jobbed to Dookie and Sissy Ike, you like all my respect

You will be surprised how everything miraculously fixes itself the moment ethyria is gone.

>>106285394
killyourself marie

>>106285129
Luxiem three ever...

>>106285296
wose and ike will join s rank soon

>>106285442
>>106285044

>>106285377
>Mint totally doesn't hate niji
unbased! how could she still that stan that black company!!

>>106285457
Prostituting herself with cunny ASMR sounds like a pretty sad fate but I forgot that she likes doing it

>>106285462
you first bari

>>106285442
>besides just saying unfathomably mean and cruel shit and hiding behind "teehee le dark humor"

>>106285457
No you don't. She's practically a two view and had to resort to porn for money

>>106285457
Ehh, it's alright. I still just end up going back to Nene.

>>106285342
True but that's kinda her own fault. I'd also move Reimu up a tier once the drama is over with. She already had sponsorships and merch lined up so I'd say that's doing pretty good.
I'd consider moving Nina down a tier because her stream stats have been sliding downward due to constant breaks, lack of quality content and her only solution to stop the downward slide is to try to get former livers to stream with her

>>106284864
mikaru is pure sex

Wonder how zeal feels that ike is a biggest faggot than him.

>>106285499
>Prostituting herself with cunny ASMR
if Mint could pull off a loli voice she'd be doing it too.
I think only Finana is autistic enough to feel ashamed of being a cunnytuber.

>>106285524
I just like earlicking and just just keeps them coming.
But yeah Nene's new 3d is also absolutely delicious.

>>106285444
>#whereisselentatsuki and faggoons shitting on the livers never happened
retard

>>106285449
Mint rarely interacts with anyone who isn't at the same level of success as her or higher. There are occasional moments where she'll allow a 3view to be "graced" by her presence but most of the time if it happens it's at cons that aren't streamed and add a layer between her and the 3view

>>106285394
what does vox's cum taste like?

>>106285449
They interacted on twitter just a few days ago, they're probably just both too shy to set up a collab

at this point i just want someone to just nuke it all and post everything and i mean literally everything, you can even use a scapegoat like ike did and then disappear on the surface of the internet or just killing yourself and everything will be settled

>>106284918
The cow is also cute

>>106285603
>Mint rarely interacts with anyone who isn't at the same level of success as her or higher.
fag

>>106285631
Rosemi will be the leaker

>>106285631
I just want to see names of management, is that too much to ask? Tell us who’s the EN director during 2023

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Selen
Holy fucking kek

>>106285603
Weird claim to make when she's been trying to form an idol unit with a 2view/low 3view, not to mention having collabed with a couple of 2views a couple weeks ago

>>106285662
>>106285699
Cope, it doesn't count.

>>106285603
Keeping this shitpost out of her actual thread but Emiliya is going to be constantly begging on her knees to get collabs and con appearances with Mint, since she's still a low 3view even after her doki moment a month ago.

>>106285296
>Nina S tier
Aren't her views kinda mid?
Also I think Kyo deserved Hell tier, I mean the guy had to fucking stop vtubing after spending thousands of dollars on his model because he flopped so fucking badly, and start dramafarming, absolute embarrassment.

Why are there wisps itt?

>>106285631
It's all managements fault.

>>106285662
who are you trying to say is small here because monii works with both holo and niji professionally and camila is a 4 viewer not sure on who mimi is tho.

I'll never understand why people think it's worthwhile getting so worked up over entertainers one way or the other, none of this matters to our lives. The only truly upsetting thing in my eyes is that I'll never see Koto-chan's tits in 3D

>>106285739
Cute childish anon :3

>>106285662
not to mention her playing through Battleblock Theater with Beribug (a 3view)

>>106285752
A consistent 1.5K is way above the others and she is good at whoring herself

>>106285603
she hangs out with that one lady bug vtuber and that brown idol girl

>>106285804
she had to sell her soul to vshojo for that.

>>106285516
she had over 400 viewers on her asmr today

>>106285782
this fanart went viral and i can see why, it's really cool

Man I haven't even been on /vt/ in like a year, just wanted to say sorry guys this is gonna suck bad.

I wonder what myanon feels about all this

>>106285868
go back

This timeline should have ended at the start of 2024 but you chose to keep going. Why?

>>106285882
pretty sure he was an active doki hater so....

This time for sure, am I right?

Ok but how this drama affect Mikaru?

>>106285920
Was he? Based, I like myanon now

>>106285930
we will see in about 20 mins.

>>106285868
Eh, my oshis are living their best lives so all this drama is pretty inconsequential. Sucks that Ike is such an asshole though.

>>106285930
She's a snail, she's immune to drama

Rosemi won
Niji lost

>>106285296
Wose will be back she loves the game too much kotoka is gone gone though

>>106286031
I can live with this

>>106286031
Doki won

>>106285928
Yes, this time Niji will make out of it unscathed... right?

>>106286031
Mikaru won

>>106286031
Rosemi won
Everyone else lost

imagine wilson streaming and he's thirsty from all the sweat yelling at vanta is generating but he forgot to fill his water bottle before stream except there are oneesan wilsoneer tits(mine) conveniently within grabbing distance and on the stream you can hear faint sucking sounds half-filtered by his noise cancellation for 30 seconds and then he just resumes streaming like normal and nobody questions it

>>106286036
shes living her best life

>>106286031
Ike won

>>106286031
Mint won

elira won
https://youtu.be/G6ObTUd0Tz8

>>106286031
Kadou won
Mikaru lost

>>106286083
The people who care about drama already left. All that's left are core audiences that just want to watch their oshis.

>>106285324
i'm talking about her silent hill f stream where she explained this, as was the topic of discussion that began here >>106284386 and as was evident by context.
your argument of "they're friends but they're not allowed to talk about it" falls flat on its face when you remember she was once on the other side, and she knows very well what her words lead to, and yet she prattles anyway. plus, if you watch her, you know she's very attentive to other people's sensibilities and feelings, so there's no way she wouldn't have thought of that herself if she actually cared. enna's spiel about complaints and how they should be handled comes to mind.
then again i know more than most. i remember being in /lazu/ when they found elira's alt following pomu's alt, only to then go completely unused after liking a couple of her tweets (likes were public at the time!), and elira having made another recently instead of continuing to use the old one.
>You also flat out ignored her follow up tweet about Lazulight
out of respect, yes, as it only makes the case worse. the idea of "the place (where our happiness won't fade away)" being actually outside of nijisanji en has been something that wisps have been meming about more or less openly ever since she came back. her asking "did we go to the place?" has exactly the same force behind it: have "we" (her and her fans) reached the place?

All that matters is that NijiEN lost

>>106286031
noone cares about whoresemi anymore LMAO

>>106286135
She's busy licking holo's boot LMAO

>>106286162
How many times will you repeat that while keeping tabs of ex-livers in this thread?

>>106286031
maria won
mint lost

>>106286204
Damn, Kiara won

>>106286204
>She busy getting some Holos pussy
Ftfy

>>106286204
Did they fuck?

>106286171
didn't read lmao

>>106286209
"world" tour

>>106285825
The highest CCV she's ever gotten is 500 directly after dramafagging. She averages 100 and doesn't stream anymore because when she does, apparently nobody shows up. Not a single person watched her live

>>106286208
Fatbot keeps tabs for us

>>106286209
and a "ching chong bing bong" to you, sister

>>106286172
the losing competition

>>106286204
I want to lick Kiara's boot too...

>>106286250
>>106286171

>>106285930
NyunnyunNyunnyunNyunnyunNyunnyunNyunnyunNyunnyunNyunnyunNyunnyunNyunnyunNyunnyun

>>106285900
>you chose to keep going. Why?
Because I knew that better things always lie ahead.

>>106286262
So this: >>106286261 is fatbot?

>>106286209
Ok but wheres mikaru here?

>>106286325
>better things
>EN still didn't had a better moment for nijikoshien than Pomu winning it for Kagami back in 2021

>>106285662
The key word in my post is "rarely"
If you compare that to how many sloppy sisters collabs that she's done, how many times she's collabed with Nimi, Dooby and Hololive members, and etc etc you'll see that collabs with 3views and people who aren't on the same level are rarely done in comparison to the others
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLONZBVo0tPY8-3VcEbqNvrac162mfwO_0
>>106285699
The idol unit she was "trying to form" was when she was in vshojo, they would have been propped up to 4view. Afaik she's done 1 collab in total with the other members excluding Beribug? I might be wrong though feel free to fact check me if so
>>106285821
No not really. She occasionally does stuff with Beribug but even that's way dwarfed by the sheer amount of collabs she does with content creators who are bigger or equal to her. Afaik she has never collabed with the brown girl outside of a convention one time

>>106286325
only 3 girls...

>>106285631
You know how they have an archived version of an older Discord server? They should release the logs to that one.

>>106286375
Retard didn't watch koshien this year

>>106286317
KON MIKARUUUUU, NYUNN NYUNN

>>106286171
Your argument that Mint has never talked about being friends with NijiEN members falls flat when Mint outright said she was hanging out with them in Japan when she found out about the mgs collab

>She knows what words lead to
She literally cannot stop doomposting then deleting shit on her alt

>Elaborate cope about how her singing the lazulight song and referencing it in a tweet means she actually hates lazulight
Mental gymnastics

Schizo that calls everyone fatty is at it again.

>>106286375
now name one moment that isn't pomu related.

>>106286325
Lets go Baseball
https://youtu.be/596gApfA_f4
https://youtu.be/596gApfA_f4
https://youtu.be/596gApfA_f4

>>106286403
>collabs with 3views and people who aren't on the same level are rarely done in comparison to the others
Because 3views don't usually ask her for collabs, but she accepts when they do.
Mint did a fucking convention with Phase Connect why would she limit herself to only collabing with big vtubers?

>>106286403
>proof that Mint does things with 3views/2views regularly
>IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE...IT JUST DOESN'T OK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Pure nijishart cope

>>106284748
Everyone is busy having the biggest melty of the year so you can have one rare good faith reply, as a treat.
Le bulli accusations aside I never liked Millie, something about her has always irked me. Everything she says and does feels performative or fake or something like she constantly feels the need to justify herself or insist she's a good person, I don't really know how to explain it. She was also the most obnoxious about zuttomo and tiny things jusr our me odd like her orisong that has Nina in the music video but Petra instead in the song. I think dramamonkeys do see passive aggression where there isn't any in some of the stuff she says because both she and they are barely fluent in english though.
I like Enna, she acts like a bitch but a lot of people have said she's one of the nicest people behind the scenes and she's blunt and genuine yet always nonchalantly doing kind things like it's nothing like the tributes she did to her grandmother and her fan that died. I liked Nina but Matara's vibe isn't for me, I don't really have anything specific against vshojo but I hate twitchfaggot culture and she leans heavily into it. Reimu always pissed me off but that's just because of her personality and not her character, granted I don't have the energy or interest to even bother forming an opinion on last week's soap opera.
Still watching Doki, still watching Mint, still watching Elira, still supporting NijiEN as a collective, having free will is nice and more people should try it.

>>106286439
That's just fatty deflecting

>>106286373
Finally a good liver beside Mikaru and Ririmu

>>106286261
she still streams. she doesn't stream from this account

>>106286438
>Mint outright said she was hanging out with them in Japan
proofs?

>>106286171
>the idea of "the place (where our happiness won't fade away)" being actually outside of nijisanji en has been something that wisps have been meming about more or less openly ever since she came back
Literally never heard of this on 4chan. So do you need to take a break from Twitter or are you making things up in your head?

>>106286403
Nijicope

>>106286438
>when Mint outright said she was hanging out with them in Japan when she found out about the mgs collab
lolno she was hanging out with HoloEN girls. Mori was the one that told her about it.

>>106286403
didn't read lol

>>106286475
Stop being reasonable. Join a side of the hate mob right now.

>notIke collabing with Doki
>Mintdachis have to make this all about themselves instead
Why are Pomies such attention whores?

Resistance:
>Doki
>Mint
>Matara
>Kuro
>Ike
>Hex

Clique:
>Elira
>Vox
>Reimu
>Millie
>Enna
>Uki

???:
>Rosemi

>>106286474
>Regularly
M8 it's 3 streams out of 36 all of which were done in the past month.

>>106286475
>>106286526
why reply to yourself?

>>106286553
How many times must it be drilled into your head? Poumdachi's own this thread.

>>106286553
Ah ah ah nijishart, stop projecting we all know it's you who is deflecting from yet another ex-organ confirming that niji is a black corpo.

>>106286567
>Kuro
>Hex
>resistance

I wish raiders at least pretended to be intelligent

How come it's everyone with confirmed mental issues that say they were bullied?

>>106286603
>>106286607
Take a shower, you two.

>>106286567
Rosemi doesn't give a fuck about drama and is busy naming characters in Tekken instead

>>106286651
>no argument
I accept your concession nijitroon

>>106286649
Shino got bullied???!?!?!

>>106286553
You have to understand, they are just as insecure and unhappy as their oshi

>>106286649
even i make fun of retards

>>106286567
Da wose will be on Doki's side
We will see

Resistance:
>Doki
>Mint
>Matara
>Ike

Clique:
>Elira
>Vox
>Reimu
>Millie
>Enna
>Uki
Grifters:
>Kuro
>Hex
>Twisty

Da wose:
>Rosemi

>>106286682
being a fatass isn't a mental issue anon.

>>106286468
Mint did a concert where they heavily promoted her and has since then basically ignored members of PC who used to be in her friend circle. The one stream she had with a phase member she didn't even have a POV for or link anywhere on her channel.
Just face it, she's a massive numberfag and literally always has been. She cried when finana overtook her in subs, she got embarrassed when /here/ called out her numberfagging in membership and claimed she "accidentally deleted" the post
Even now she cries because she has less than 500k subs and therefore can't get any sponsorships (even though literal 2views can get sponsors)

Rosemi is on nobody's side and you're all falling into her trap

>>106286690
but enough about cuckdreds

>>106286588
If you reach back to August 14th she has done 5 collabs til this point. She mostly does solo streams. 3 of the 5 not being with larger streamers would be the majority of her collabs being with people smaller than her. She primarily focuses on solo streams and that's okay.

>>106286505
Remember when she was complaining about management not telling her about a Konami collab and said she had to find out about it from another member?

>>106286518
>Mori knew about the scrapped NijiEN mgs collab

I wish you could pretend to be smart, at least

>>106286630
Kuro loves throwing shade at niji

>>106286709
Shes kinda retarded

>>106286710
>things that never happened
*yawn* get better material nijisharty

>>106286681
why would I argue with someone who is mentally ill?

>>106286651
Pecking order.

>>106286682
by my dick

>hey guys I'm back
>collab with Mint and Dokibird next week!
Your reaction?

>>106286710
she locked a cover with nimi behind 400K subs she was 5K or away and it took her 3 weeks to get it while spamming about it.

I love how mintfags always end up outing themselves as the ones who keep coming to shit up the thread. It's not gonna make your oshi any less lonely and depressed btw

>>106286763
Kuro quite literally said he wouldn't be talking about Niji anymore with his final statement being that they're improving and doing better

>>106286825
Wake up from my dream

>>106286759
>management not telling her about a Konami collab and said she had to find out about it from another member?
Why would she assume it gonna be about her?

>

>>106286825
Laughter because another one betrayed nijikeks yet again

NIJI EN won

>>106286734
Even 5/36 is pretty low and yes while she does primarily do solo stuff it's also not an exaggeration to point out that close to 90% of her collabs are done with content creators who are on an equal level to her or higher.
She is primarily concerned about her numbers

Insulting Pomu won't help you when another liver quits and unloads more dirt on your oshi's.

>>106286839
>Mintfags
It's quite literally just fagoons wearing a Pomudachi mask. Just like how it was before Selen got fired

>>106286475
I feel the same about Ethyria they all came off as really passive aggressive. Matara was unironically too professional for them, when there were disagreements she would try to be upfront and they would deflect and gaslight her. I feel like if Elira just never got her friends into Niji it never would've fallen apart like this. It also felt like they baited fans into getting mad way too often. Like we can talk about Millie/Enna getting "misunderstood" or "taken out of context" to stir drama, but they usually knew what they were doing and just wanted to farm controversy without thinking how it would affect their coworkers.

I still don't hate Elira(or Finana for that matter) because my oshi Mint had good times with Lazulight, but Ethyria was a fucking mistake(except Nina obviously).

>>106286825
scrap my fanfic and write another one

>>106286822
A grown man acting like he's fighting a war lmao.

>>106286900
Hey so how many collabs did Elira had with some random 2view in the past month? Oh right NONE. Because Elira is a huge numberfag that never collabs with chuubas that have lower ccv than her.

lotta bait today

>>106286698
Im pretty sure shes just a neutral party and is nice to whoever is nice back to her. She follows people like Mint but still replies to Ange and shit.

>>106286917
Stop deflecting mintcuck, you're not fooling anyone

Boring EN topic, it's always the JP topic that's more interesting and relevant.

>>106286970
watch my jp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH7Kb5CScn4

>>106286898
The Cuckqueen reward

>>106286868
>with his final statement being that they're improving and doing better
Why the fuck does he think niji needs his words of approval?

>>106286900
You're throwing stones from a glass house accusing others for their preferred way to stream, which is often solo, when you have members like Scarle in Niji EN. Vtubers don't need to spam collabs, and as I said from the collab partners the majority aren't in parity to her viewership.

>niji drama happens
>nijifags deflect onto Mint/Mintdachis
Like clockwork

>>106286930
>Zaion
>Twisty
>Zaion
>Nina

>muh victims

So it's just the False doxxcord raiding. Glad to know

Mikaru won and bigly.

>>106286836
You act like that's not a numberfag thing but that's literally a massive numberfag thing
>I won't release this until you sub to me!
is her way of trying to get people to subscribe. She's been complaining about her lack of subs for a while and even went on a rant that I'm pretty sure is clipped at this point, about how sponsors will overlook you if you don't have subs. Which may be true but is also a rather dubious claim when channels with fewer viewers and fewer subscribers can somehow manage to get sponsorships.

>>106286989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln1ab6EA-4A
better pov

>>106286971
Still a good image.

>>106287014
How can you argue Twisty and Nina weren't victims?
Twisty literally got sexually harassed, went to management about it, and then in response they fired her.

>>106286960
She needs to collab with ex livers someday so she has to pick a side

>>106286930
baffling graph

>>106287032
Elira did the same thing btw which means elira is a huge numberfag :)

>>106287026
Shino wonner and biglier

>>106286971
>

>>106287084
mint is ass mad that doki got all those subs while she hasn't even gotten more than her old account.

>>106286970
nijien is garbage, anyway keep posting yoi yume, this is yoi yume thread now

>>106286949
This would be more believable if she ever collabed with people outside of en. Even inside EN, she has a lot of doubts that people actually want to collab with her but has collabed with members like klara who has a lower CCV and sub count.
During the enchanted collab she often stuck around members like Maia who is smaller than she is

>>106286373
>>106287026
>>106287117
bros please im trying to win too...

>>106284207
claude power bottom

>>106287139
the only ones assmad here are nijicuckis KEKKYPOO

>>106287049
>Twisty claimed she was sexually harassed in a discord filled with fans she was grooming, accidentally had everything she did leaked to False then went to him , changed her allegation to it being someone else that sexually harassed, management found out through people spamming reports to them then she was fired for being a racist, misandrist transphobic cunt who called her fans pedophiles

FTFY

>>106286917
If they watch Mint enough to give detailed info on her streams and activities, then they're Wisps. Doesn't matter if they're also Dragoons or shitposters, that's just the audience Mint has cultivated for herself.

>>106287032
>Which may be true but is also a rather dubious claim when channels with fewer viewers and fewer subscribers can somehow manage to get sponsorships
There was literally a thread about vtubers hating the viewership decrease on Twitch because it changed how much they got from sponsorships. >>106262991 It's more than getting the sponsorship, but getting a good price for it as well.

>>106287160
Mikaru big and round mikarus

>>106287146
>klara
branchmate, doesn't count
>maia
literally a member of her clique, doesn't count
See, I can do it too :)

>>106287007
Nobody is saying anything about her spamming collabs or anything like that. What's been said is that the collabs that she does choose to do are often with members who are of the same level of popularity if not higher.
None of that is throwing stones in glass houses

>>106284674
yeah (:

>>106287185
These "wisps" just revealed that they don't watch member streams or even know what mint is talking about most of the time

>>106286930
Rosemi is literally Satan

>>106286817
#pomurainpuff #holoen #nijien

>>106287206
Except I never said the collabs that you listed, never count it or didn't count. I just pointed out that they are dwarfed in comparison to the numerous collabs that she has with content creators who are bigger or of a similar level. And you're not really disproving that. You're trying to shift the focus away from that by poorly attempting to strawman the argument

>>106284826
i'll do 10 minutes of why couldn't it be me sitting and screaming in a puddle then be happy for them

>>106286930
mysta is rebecca's victim

You still seething about Pomu/Mint just confirms that her leaving hurt you and your branch much more than anyone else. You know she was the most important NijiEN member ever, and you are incapable of facing that her departure announced the dead of this branch. She was the heart and soul of NijiEN, and you know it no matter how much you try to cope about it.

>>106287271
kek

>>106285080
>Also do it right when he's in the collab so he can't respond to it in time
if she actually pulled a black-stream-doki-neopets it would absolutely destroy her credibility more than anything... she should do it it'd be funny

what was Mint's old fanbase called again?
Prior to wisps, I remember it being something-tomo

>>106287318
The only thing it proves is that Pomudachis can't move on and camp this thread waiting for drama to happen so they can raid it.

>>106286930
I genuinely don't get how you can possibly rationalize Enna, Millie and Vox being bullies while somehow also thinking that Elira did nothing at this point. It makes absolutely no sense, if you still like watching her that's fine but it's obvious she's not innocent at all.

>>106287318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CGQach3SP4

>>106285253
is ike one of those catboys for whom the ears and tail are erogenous zones

>>106286930
>ren
>he doesn't know

How do we save NijiEN?

>>106287401
idk ask bari

>>106287259
retard, she is a girl who inherited a key and magical girl powers to defeat the tyrant of hell

>>106287441
we don't just embrace jp

>>106287189
I mean I get it, but I also think that if you're complaining about people not wanting to sponsor you you should be transparent and say that you're complaining that they're not wanting to give you as much money as you think that you deserve.
It's kind of hard to hear her complain about sponsorships when her merch always sells out instantly. It feels like it's less that she actually wants sponsorships and more that she wants number go up.
I guess you could argue that maybe she's thinking that if she got like a million subs that kojima would recognize her or something but that'll never happen

>>106287441
Just get rid of Ethyria, easy.

>>106287441
Literally debut more waves

>>106287396
>>106287383
>not addressing the actual argument
KWAB WHAT A KEKS

I feel so bad for Vox

>>106287224
>What's been said is that the collabs that she does choose to do are often with members who are of the same level of popularity if not higher
Beribug, Mimi, Camila, and Monii aren't anywhere close to Mint in viewership. She collabed with those people three of her five collabs. Please, give further proof of your assertions outside of asserting it.

>>106286526
There are a million hate mobs to the point where I don't know which one you're even referring to and it's all retarded, aligning every single view of every person on the planet based on someone else's opinion makes no sense.
>>106286590
meds
>>106286930
You autistic falseflagging faggots are the reason no one can post their actual thoughts here.

>>106287393
tbf the only time elira was directly involved in the shitfest was the BS, and that's because she's like the figurehead of en, meanwhile the other 2 names that were mentioned in the document were hiding on her back, too afraid to step up for themselves

>>106287496
literally the only time pomu comes up is whenever you retards are raiding the thread after drama

>>106287508
...it's over

>>106286103
this but he very much remembered to fill his water bottle but what he didn't remember to do is empty his bladder and he wasn't sweating nearly enough to get it all out, so you hear pissing sounds for 30 seconds then he sobs and says he has to go get a towel

>>106287496
no arguments for you. kill yourself.

>>106287117
Milk the cow

>Season 1 of NijiEN has the most drama
but sisters told me this was the golden age...

>>106287441
Rehire Selen, Pomu, Nina, Rosemi, Ike, Mysta and fire all the current Livers

>>106287546
>>106287558
NIJISEETHE AND NIJICOPE

From time to time I still think about Matara's rant about being jealous of Pomu's fanbase being so dedicated and affectionate towards her and I think secretly everyone in EN felt that way about Pomu. Pomudachis truly are the most powerful fanbase.

>>106287468
>transparent and say that you're complaining that they're not wanting to give you as much money as you think that you deserve.
People here keep on talking about being professional and putting would be sponsors on blast in public like that is very unprofessional.
>It's kind of hard to hear her complain about sponsorships when her merch always sells out instantly. It feels like it's less that she actually wants sponsorships and more that she wants number go up
Maybe she's making up for lost time.

>>106287511
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLONZBVo0tPY8-3VcEbqNvrac162mfwO_0
Okay here's the proof.

>>106287572
only ethyria and luxiem are the epicenter of those dramas

>>106287393
Still no evidence that Elira bullied someone. Where are the receipts?

>>106287592
>no argument
concession accepted

>>106287623
Pomu didn't ditch her fanbase to travel around with an entire male wave. It's miraculous that she managed to bounce back. She should count her blessings.

>>106287511
>Beribug, Mimi, Camila, and Monii
Not only them, but also Snuffy and Laimu, who get about half her viewership. Doki too although Doki has more subs. Honestly the only people she collabs with who are bigger than her are Nimi and the occasional Kiara collab.

>>106287657
Lazusydia has plenty of drama, current one is focused on several members

>>106287511
Why do people think Camila is small?

>>106287678
Matara actually has a really likeable personality I just wish she'd stop collabing with the worst people that make her streams unwatchable.

Like if she just took Mint's approach to streaming she'd have a fanbase like Mint's. But she can't help herself from socializing too much.

>>106287706
>ethyria and luxiem ruined this
i will never forgive them

This thread is literally wisp arguing with each other kek, don't you guys have your own thread

>>106287318
>She was the heart and soul of NijiEN
She organized nothing but a single group cover and a tournament for crappy Japanese Scrabble. Both of her wavemates did more music despite her wanting to be an idol and they both participated in and helped make more projects than Pomu did

>>106287732
What's wrong with Vinny, he's Hana's oshi...

>>106287750
Yeah but there's a stinky pentomo in there.

Kadou Breedkaru

>>106287318
Pomucucks really believe this shit

it's sad that innocent livers keep getting painted as bullies as part of this ongoing culture war

Lyrica really did fall off hard in NijiEN and revealed her true colors.

>>106287732
>Matara actually has a really likeable personality
She just acts like a middle aged wine mom. Including all the bitchy parts

>>106287775
So what you're saying is that it's all petra's fault again

>>106287032
Because she wants very specific big sponsorships that only the big leagues she watches ever get. Everything else is inconsequential.
She can't, of course, because no company wants to work directly with someone under no known manager unless they're ACTUAL superstars. Hence why she was crying about all the deals that evaporated post-VSJ.
They told her that subs were the issues. So she thinks that maybe with a gorillion subs they'll look her way.

>>106287651
Okay, and what do you see?

>>106287634
You could make that argument but it's been over a year since she redebuted but she still does things like gatekeep covers until her fans get her to a certain number.
She likes being a numberfag and always has. Even as Pomu there were several times she numberfagged but people excused it as "the company pushing her to do so" or whatever. As Mint there's no company pushing her to do that

>>106287718
I'll admit, my bad, I don't look at Twitch.

>person makes a mistake or does a bad thing
>they are now morally bankrupt
>bad thing happens to person
>they are now capable of doing no wrong
>everyone on earth is either morally bankrupt or capable of doing no wrong
Sometimes you guys are just as bad as twitterfags cancelling people for drinking starbucks or playing a harry potter game

>>106287830
That there are 36 collabs and out of 36, only five of them feature people who are smaller than her.
Meaning, the vast majority of collabs that she does are.....
With content creators who are bigger or equal in size to her!

>>106287766
shüt

>>106287824
It's always Petra's fault

>>106287868
>bad thing happens to person
>they are now capable of doing no wrong
I fucking wish, if that were true then EN would have no antis.

>>106287682
Snuffy and Laimu are both 4 views.

>>106286836
It didn't take her 3 weeks to get 5k, she released it 3 weeks late because the cover wasn't done yet

>>106286930
It’s always Millie and Reimu but I don’t really see Enna did anything. Millie’s secret gc stream and Reimu having 4chan as her favorite should have been a warning.

>>106286956
bobon's gone, he can't even fish using all this bait
we're losing the scriptures

/NijiEN/ indies I have unironically never heard of general

>>106287945
Snuffy averages 1.5k. Laimu averages 2.2k. Mint averages 3.6k.

>>106287560
do it NOW

>>106287973
about to jerk and sleep sorry bro...

/ShinoEN/ when?

watch mint while waiting for the collab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RurUQ2JP_Q0

>>106287945
There is a vast difference between someone getting 150 viewers and someone getting 700. Just because they have the same amount of digits doesn't put them on the same field.

>>106287973
But you've heard of microscopic nobodies like Millie and Klara

>>106287923
Pogostuck…

Petra's going to throw us under the bus next and cause more drama

>>106288025
Sorry I don't watch whores

>>106288056
Name your Niji oshi.

>>106288056
we love whores here

>>106288056
But (You)r oshi is a massive whore.

>>106288034
Nothing microscopic about Klara's body

>>106288076
Petra

>>106287750
Their oshi is streaming but it’s boring so they shitpost here instead.

>>106288076
Ririmu the town bicycle

>>106288100
She's whoring herself out for her sex exams

>>106288100
why do pomies hate petra again

>>106288076
Pomu

NijiEN deserves to die

Fatfuck USA

>>106288051
Petra is a Niji loyalist, she cares not for the EN branch and would jump ship to JP if she could.

>>106287950
tweets on the 2nd, got 400K on the 14th posted on the 19th so it took 2 weeks.
https://x.com/MintFantome/status/1951813961214738886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke82vnl8_L0

>>106288100
>claims to be a /nijien/ poster
>"oshi" is Petra
try harder wisp

>>106288051
Petra will throw herself at ojisans.

>>106288114
You have three people streaming and this thread can only talk about ex-livers.

/NijiEN/ had it coming for making images like this over the years

>>106288100
this is bait because everyone knows no one oshis petra

>Selen claims she was bullied
>Selen says she will release evidence
>It's been two years
>There is no evidence

>Bari claims that Ike was bullied in NijiEN
>Look inside document
>Best proof of "bullying" is Ike attacking Millie for not letting him into her group chat that has people Ike doesn't know in it

Performative outrage at its finest

>>106288177
>Implying she hasn't already
She already answers the door without pants on.

>>106288143
Cause she's young and naturally cute, everything mint wishes she was

Shino owes me sex

>>106288220
They're all mentally and emotionally children

>>106288220
They are perfect for each other. Sorry Bari.

>>106287556
hot ToT

>>106288255
TToTT

correct me if I'm wrong but didn't ike talk about that he would just ghost people for weeks at a time?
So why does he get upset about not being invited to something?

>>106288220
Bullying has become something like this now. Careful who you are not letting into a gc or else you’ll be called a bully.

>>106287661
Her IRL best friends who she got them hired are confirmed bullies, so at this point it doesn't even matter if she did anything herself or not. There's no way she couldn't have known about what's been going on so even in the best case scenario she was more than happy to watch all of this shit happen and then go to bat for the people responsible.

Feesh study stream!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97ep6amRdX4

>>106287556
Mhmmm.

Should i watch a Mikaru vod?

>>106288220
Ok marie

Feesh has started watching Spy x Family again and is really happy because it's so wholesome

>>106288320
he ghosted his fans weeks at a time

>>106287824
Petra is the key to all this. If we get Petra working... cause she's a funnier character than we've ever had on stream.

Feesh LOVES Anya and Damian's interactions, and thinks Damian is cute

>>106288509
That explains that loid forger tweet

>>106288320
He ghosted his own wavemates and ex girlfriend, now is crying over being left out the schizo

>>106288545
yeah well so did petra and yet she didn't get terminated for it

>>106288610
neither did ike? petra truly has been living in pomies' heads rent-free for four years

Feesh thought Loid's backstory was really sad but she liked it

Petra leaked the discord sever

>>106288220
>cornering Millie when her dog died so she lets you into a group chat
Why did Ike bully Millie?

>>106288689
Where did the
>pomies hate petra
narrative start?

someone post the ike x selen airplanes soundpost

i mean... Petra is young and beautiful, pomu in the other hand is a ugly hag with a disfunctional womb trying to act cute idol meme

https://x.com/omi_vt/status/1985450940858831167
sonny's femboy wife

>>106288754
That wasn't when her dog died, it was when her aunt died. So yeah.

>>106288320
he ghosted his own fans to be at a miku concert kek

Mikaru is also young and cute despite being 777 years old!

>>106288792
That's literally worse... Bullysanji...

This is grim...

Feesh thinks Damian's mom is a baddie

>>106288339
Ike also wanted to be let into Vox's family group chat and threw a fit when Vox's dad called him weird

Doesn't Ike have sexual assault allegations anyway? I thought people hated Nijisanji for hiring Aster

Elira is laughing at hsr story because it’s like Naruto

>>106288853
it is indeed grim...

Feesh freaking it over how cute this Darumi is

>>106288904
Oh, the sexual harassment allegations? They don't matter anymore because he's friends with Selen again. Maybe it's like fagoons pretended to care or something

>We hate Ike now
Lmao

where the hell do i talk about this collab

>>106288904
Wasn't that after he joined? I saw the tweet

>>106285129
Need to fill ryugal

>>106288979
/nijien/

>>106288979
/haha/

>>106288979
/#/

>>106288979
/nijien/

>>106288320
It's funny because he also admits to ghosting Millie in those screenshots then he unfollows her abruptly for not responding fast enough to him

>>106288756
Allows them to deflect, but the true reason is a reference to THAT stream as a shitpost. I'm sure most sisters weren't there for it.

>>106288979
/HAHA/, presumably

>>106288979
>>>/vt/nijien/

i keep looking at willy's stream title... i need to suffocate him under my tits until he's sobbing and whimpering and apologizing for asking for it

>>106288979
/Mikaru/

Feesh bought a lot of groceries and is cooking for herself to keep herself motivated

>>106288979
/nijien/, we like ike here

>>106288979
/vt/

We love Ike, don't let the threadshitters fool you

>>106288979
/HAHA/ has always been good to Ike

Ike is getting pegged by Doki's futa cock
how does that make you feel Nijisisters

https://x.com/omi_vt/status/1985450940858831167 ARHGHTGHHHHHHHHHH FUCK YOU SONNY WHO DO YOU GET TO FUCK HIS BUSSY I WANT TO FUCK HIM NOW TOO

>>106289121
im getting pegged by zombie selen's futa cock so pretty good

>>106289121
You can get pegged by enna futa cock too!! Just be nice to her

>>106289121
I can't see her as a top. She crumbles too easily.

>>106289110
Weren't you calling him a groomer sexpest months ago

SOMEONE POST THE AIRPLANES SOUNDPOST I KNOW YOU HAVE IT

>>106289163
I wasn't there idk, neither was Ike for the last 2 years

>>106289147
the double bottom dilemma

>>106288986
Nah, I'm talking about the ones with Lollia, his original menhera ex. Interesting that he claimed to be doxxed in that document but used her legal name. Sounds familiar.

Feesh recently rekindled a friendship with old guildmates from FFXIV

>>106289121
god i wish i was doki

>>106289163
i don't think /haha/ has ever talked about ike, they hate elira and vox the most there from what i saw a year ago

>>106289163
yes

>>106289163
There's only two people that I think of when those words are mentioned. Luca and Aster.