Thread 106335679

What went wrong?

>>106335679 (OP)
Phase's outfits and redesigns are very hit or miss.
Some are upgrades, and others are over designed disasters.

She's toned down her edgy humor cus of Phase rules. Despite being considered the yab company they're very obviously on a leash and can't talk about certain topics.

>>106335887
she didnt tone down her edgy humor cause of phase. she just sucks ass now

>>106335781
they ought to go to jail for what they did to remi.

she should have been declared a Goldfish Queen

>>106335909
It's not only her. Nitya also no longer makes non-PC jokes. Best they can do is "women amirite" and coomer jokes

>>106335679 (OP)
Over-designed + whoever worked on it simply does not "get" marimari_english.

She's an autism fish, but like in an "aha" kinda way, not like a "hahaha" kind of way, you know. Also, I really wish she would go back to the original model/outfit. It's honestly what sold me on her way back when and what got me to start watching her. It's super cute, fits her personality perfectly, and is to this day one of the best outfits of any western vtuber ever designed.

JOE BIDEN

I don't even like Mari but getting rid of the bowl cut is such weak shit

>>106335679 (OP)
Cute retard idol

>>106342328
>idol

She's not as witty as before phasing in. Also she's a full on rave slut now

>>106336167
>one of the best outfits of any western vtuber ever designed
>seifuku #4203

>>106335679 (OP)
Does she ever even use the model on the right? I always see her using the one on the left.

>>106335781
>>106335933
Except for Gen1 original designs, all of it come from the girls themselves
Erina for example got almost everything she asked for in concept art except for being over 200cm

Allegedly Wemi wanted a redesign

>>106335679 (OP)
horror vacui

>>106335679 (OP)
I think it was Tylenol

>>106343211
iirc not true. all the Gen1's had massive input on their designs except for Lia who had 0 input

>>106343372
Most of gen 1 were given models from a pile fish has gotten made beforehand

>>106335781
True. While her new outfit does look nice, like many vtubers now it's too much. It's all over the place with too much shit going on. Holo has been doing this too much as well these days. But to be fair, it's better than those dumb big tittied whore models these days, that shit is getting so boring and it looks stupid.

>>106343470
nah they got to pick and have input on things. not as much creative freedom as every gen that came after, but they had input except for Lia, which got a full redesign started 1 year after debut because she hated her model and had no input

>>106343579
All of Gen1 models were premade before any girl signed a contract and I think there was around 14 made
What you are thinking of is that some girls didn't like the first model they were offered and ask for something different, when Pippa and Tenma first joined Pippa was given a purple cat and she really didn't like it and asked for the rabbit one she saw he had in reserve

Lia was the one who was supposed to be the face of the company and the CEO for the first year basically micromanaged her much of her streaming output
That lead to the famous mutiny where all the girls threaten to quit and fish realizing he was having difficulty directly managing all these girls started hiring managers and Lia was finally released to do content she wanted

>>106343797
When Pippa first joined, she was supposed to be Ashelia. She was told the restrictions and complete lack of input she would have, and passed.

Lia was offered Ashelia or Uruka, and picked Ashelia because she was a brand new streamer and figured having her content laid out for her with the CEO as her manager would be a good thing.

>>106343901
You're actually confused anon
Pippa was first given the purple cat model, she even did a joke stream about it and has talked about the first year of Phase, most of the girls have really

>>106344009
I am not confused at all. You just need to go back and do your reps.
>Pippa was hired 1st
>as the 1st hire, Sakana wanted her to be Ashelia Rinkou because he was obsessed with the character he created it down to every detail and had a vision for what he wanted it to be
>Pippa, who had an idea of what content she wanted to make and was an experienced streamer, knew this was an impossible situation
>She declined and decided to then explore other options that were available, the cat and eventually the bunny we know today which she had some input on
>Lia was the next girl hired. She was offered Ashelia Rinkou or Fujikura Uruka (IIRC the younger version; they released merch of it). She picked Ashelia Rinkou for the reasons given previously, plus she was a big fan of Minsgraph who drew the character. She had no experience and was fresh out of high school, so she didn't see the pitfalls that would happen coming like Pippa saw them coming.

Throw me in a woodchipper if only complaining is welcome ITT, but I've been happy with basically every decision and direction phase has been going in this year.
Every single decision.
Except bibi posting bbc bait in her shorts. That i will not tolerate. Doesnt mean I would drop phase; I just dont want to see that on my YT feed. Fatigue being beyond tolerable levels and whatnot.

>>106336167
How can the artist not "get" mm_en when she herself said multiple times that she loves the redesign and new model and she got everything she ever wanted?

>>106344816
I am in full agreement with you.

>>106345213
>when she herself said multiple times that she loves the redesign
she doesn't get herself

>>106344265
lmao Lia literally wasted the best designed phaser

>>106335679 (OP)

she broke up wth her boyfriend who she would steal jokes from and isn't actually that funny on her own

>>106335679 (OP)
I prefer the old model but its not a big deal. How the focus shifted toward making money is a big deal however. I could tolerate some of it, but its way too much now. All the corpo stuff like being on a leash, getting shilled constantly doesnt help either

>>106335679 (OP)
I like to call this phenomenon, gachafication.

>>106348155
Makes sense, kevin is a chinaman.

>>106335679 (OP)
She stopped plapping

>>106335679 (OP)
The bottom row of teeth really adds something to it that's missing from the right one.

>>106335947
I honestly never noticed that Nutty made many racism jokes. I mostly just watched her for the rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>106335679 (OP)
Pump n dump

>>106335679 (OP)
>Of all the things to pick on this silly fairy stacy 5g gayboi
>Complaining about the Konata/Frieren =w= face
Ngmi

>>106335679 (OP)
I don't think it went wrong. There are things I like about her old model and new model.

Stopped caring

>>106335679 (OP)
it makes sense for a princess, even if it's a little too busy
overall quality and especially the face is way better now
so to answer you question, nothing, nothing went wrong

>>106336167
it's a puffy seifuku bro

>>106344816
new Remi design sucks

>>106335679 (OP)
Bring back the bowl cut, remove all the Genshin style crap piled on, and then maybe change her to Titans colors.
Pic related

>>106335679 (OP)
Nothing, the new model is way better, especially the face.

Every time she talks about some random bullshit she looks and sounds retarded.
I'd cum all over those black leggings though

>>106335679 (OP)
I'd fuck her autistic ass raw

>>106353519
Honestly very achievable anon go get your skank

>>106345213
>>106346600
i think the problem with some vtubers is they dont understand their charm points of their presentation that appeals to their fans.

if you want to change up your look, do it with outfits and hair in the form of alternate outfits. once you start changing your face and main outfits, it's like a woman getting plastic surgery. the woman thinks they look great, but to everybody else who looks at her she looks like a ghoul

>>106335887
Does she still at least put Aniki gachi muchi on the screen?

>>106350561
Remis old outfit was hot
New outfit is hot too
New face & rig is 100x better.
Its difficult to lose the old outfit, but I believe she'll do better with noombers because the new look is more broadly appealing to tourists. We have to remember that not all tourists are bad.

>>106360894
Her new face is awful
She is no longer the company gremlin it is soulless

>>106335679 (OP)
Didn't take advantage of her sexy body to start making adult content, now just slowly declining.

>>106335679 (OP)
Her ex boyfriend prince reinhard is a fatass

>>106360985
Its cute. Its funny. Its a good match for her giggles and conveys more of what shes feeling and doing. It has blue archive soul, therefore best matches who she is, therefore makes a happier wemi. Its good.

>>106360894
>ruining what made you charming for the idea of noombers
ok then what? her numbers good or bad wont change her standing in Phase Connect. She was the endearing gremlin loli of the company. Now she has veibae face aka a dime a dozen twitch look

She lost one of the things that made her unique and made her remi.

top 5 worst phase new model botch jobs
1. Fuura Yuri
2. Michiru
3. MariMari
4. Remi
5. Lumi

>>106361117
>ruining what made you less charming for the idea of noombers
>lost the thing that made her uniquely offputting and cant-put-ones-finger-on-it uncannyvalley
FIFY and yes. We'll just have to disagree on that point.
>dime a dozen twitch look
I just dont see it that way at all.

>>106361179
swap lumi and remi

>>106361179
I think her old face is much better, but Remi still look is like Remi it is not that bad. I never watched Mari so I cant comment.
Yuri and Lumi are the worst by far. Just complete 180s. Lumi still doesnt know what she is. Are you a star woman, a space lady, a random cat, a pirate?Is your color yellow or is it blue? Pick a fucking struggle.
Yuri the same thing her indie run has been one long identity crisis.

>>106361405
She's a grifter with lots of clothes.

>>106361958
It is not just about clothes. Go crazy with outfits. It is just branding inconsistencies and the fact her face changes at times it doesnt look like the same vtuber

>>106361405
Lumi will be whatever grifts her the most simpbux. Those vacations with Fyren are not cheap ya know!

>>106362023
You must think extremely poorly of ironmouse, then, but IM is a good example of just how much VT community doesnt have preferences like yours.

>>106335679 (OP)
Nothing, she was always shit and for NTR enthusiasts from the getgo

>>106362220
mouse is at least consistent with her color of pink.

phase usually does a good job of establishing consistency with their talents brands when it comes time, but lumi is a mess. sometimes they use her 2022 redebut png, sometimes they use the awkward looking cat outfit that doesnt fit the aesthetic of the others, sometimes they use the color yellow other times blue. just confusing and no consistency and it was only with her

>>106335679 (OP)
You tell me. What IS wrong with it?

>>106335679 (OP)
She was garbage before even joining phase. She became trash as soon as she collabed with K*rshe. Having one talent associated with such garbage was bad enough. It's like fishman WANTS the fascist audience.

>>106335679 (OP)
she got hope in her eyes and optimism in laugh
they ruined our girl

Her jokes, relatability being a nerdy girl next door that knew funny references and memes completely died. Listening to her now shes just a dime a dozen party girl that thinks shes funny with her new hipster hobbies. She thinks pokemon is obscure, shes not in it for streaming shes in it for partying, travel, cons, money. She didnt make schedules before but now she makes them and completely just ghosts or gives some dumb ass update in her discord, while shes out clubbing and enabling pippas shitty behavior. This isnt the funny AI Eggman fent goldfish I watched, its burn out normie you can find at a community College that thinks yellow submarine vinyls and clubs are deep and introspective. I firmly believe when Prince left, she lost her humor and probably got the references from him. She just doesnt try anymore or care, she has phase as a safety bubble so she thinks she can do this forever

>>106335909
Yeah, mine. Every night she gives me rimjobs in my dreams and it's great!

>>106363090
lmao take your meds

>>106364344
a running theme among vtubers that started in 2021 or earlier is they are winding down as streamers

>>106364637
Ive noticed this, I cant tell if its aging or just normal for some creators to get popular and eventually fizzle out and die

>>106364725
I just think they get tired and lose enthusiasm over time.
If you do this 3-5 times a week for now going on 5-years, it's gonna get old.

Find me a vtuber who started in 2020/2021 who has as much energy and creativity now as they did then. It is rare. Even more rare if you are a variety streamer who doesn't just play games all day every day.

>>106365114
Nitya/Kitanya
Bat
Luci
Uruka
All of the new SAGA girls

>>106366654
>Bat
>energy
kek technically correct I guess

>>106366918
Bat is too autistic not to falter
Moriko has stated she has an iron will stronger than everyone

>>106335679 (OP)
The outfit isn't that big of a deal as she can always get a another sailor outfit, but the wide smile though...

>>106347751
bald man?

Fish soul devouring gun

>>106365114
Goldship's VA

>>106335887
shes looking at her long term prospects

>>106362220
NTA but I do think very poorly of Ironmouse for this. The only reason she gets away with it is because she only went crazy with model redesigns after she was too big to fail. It's not indicative of the preferences of VTuber fans as a whole. It's indicative of Ironmouse being so massive that she can make decisions that would tank a small channel with no side effects

>>106366654
>Nitya/Kitanya
she just changed to a new charcater because she was getting stale. joining a new group gives new life
>Bat
she is a game streamer, which i gave as an outlier
>Uruka
she was once a proud concert violinst that has been reduced to gooner baiting every stream and being the butt of jokes. she is a shell of her former self

>>106351271
>Mari Ousia vs Mari Pneuma

>>106366654
all of the new SAGA girls just came off of 3-5 month breaks and graduated, so they had a giant lapse in content where they weren't streaming and do not qualify as girls who have been streaming non stop since 2020/2021 because they had a stoppage. I am talking about girls who have been streaming with no graduation no breaks beyond the typical 1-2 vacations here or there.

In addition, they have been streaming for like 1 week. come back in 6 months to a year and tell me how they are doing and if they aren't doing the same thing they were always doing and coasting.

>>106335679 (OP)
It started with the daily slop. Going corpo was the final nail in the coffin. I have zero desire to watch her streams anymore.
Old Mari was so fun to watch. Current Mari is mind numbingly boring.

>>106335679 (OP)
mari comes off as rapebait to me

>>106335933
Hell no fuck you

>>106361117
Dude she had the phasd "bulbhead" that tenma had. Her new model looks better imo. Or are you sad we lost her cute little navel? in which case yeah. Also her flat chest frill

>>106335679 (OP)
Nothing. He awful mouth got finally FIXED

>>106370908
Partly this. She's fallen down the gacha slop sponsor pit

>>106348034
Mari is getting real greedy these days

>>106335679 (OP)
She isn't beyblading on my dick

>>106347751
I believe this more and more I watch her streams

>>106342709
Lore on the rave slut?

>>106335679 (OP)
She joined Phase

>>106335679 (OP)
>be mari
>be funny
>want to be taken seriously
>join the chudette griftstar corpo for this
>turns out no one here cares about your idol larp or whatever the shit
>alineate your core followers for going corpo and the new ones for aiming for a production related career in a company that doesn't give an ounce of a damn about that stuff

>>106335679 (OP)
shes just a boring watch. good to fall asleep to

>>106335679 (OP)
I started watching Mari after that Pippa runescape stream, and it was a on and off but almost always intrigued and entertained.

I still like her stuff but did feel like something has been missing a little, seems like people in the thread

And I like phase and like her being in phase with a community but yeah something just isn't clicking sometimes.

>>106384766
Production of what

>>106335947
I don't think Phase management cares all that much about edgy shit
We saw one of the managers DM three of the white girls with a joke after the girls were talking about how Chinese people eat dogs on a Chinese sponsored stream a couple days back. The new girls just self-censor and ask for permission way more than necessary

She simply isnt funny anymore, being around pippa will do that

>>106335679 (OP)
Not as bad as what happened to Sleepy.. Although she already ruined her model on the YT side before Phase.

>>106335679 (OP)
Her old model was so much better it's unreal. They should take the mouth from the old one and put it on the new one. The expressions were so much funnier.

>>106371082
She doesn't

>>106335679 (OP)
>What went wrong?
5 guys. Also fucking hell her face is retarded.

not dead yet still more to discuss

>>106384766
what idol stuff does she do?
i only say that because the idols in phase are on brutal travel schedules, so if she is traveling a lot now for her own pleasure, it is only gonna get worse if she does idol stuff

>>106386980
Need a before and after of sleepy.

Maris new humor and how she presents herself on stream is like listening to an insufferable party slut that thinks shes cool because she goes out all the time and brags about it to her audience. You are who you hang out with and the people she now associates with and activities she does has sucked out what made her charming, whimsy, funny is gone. I see more old mari clips being made and tweeted than new mari clips, so that should tell you how bad it really is

>>106335679 (OP)
But I like it