Thread 106568743

My oshi can't sing. She tries her hardest but its bad. Really bad

How do I break it to her?

>>106568743 (OP)
Nimi and Dooby can't sing and that didn't stop them from doing a concert.

>>106568743 (OP)
this bad or worse?
https://youtube.com/live/kR9OGRINfBE?t=1650

>>106568743 (OP)
Pippa is a tough girl, anon, and she enjoys singing, she'll be fine.

>>106568743 (OP)
Say "Your singing is sovl"

>>106568743 (OP)
I've only heard Pillow singing in crossover with Nene but she can improve if she works at it and pays huge amounts of money for an expensive singing teacher.
Nene went from this
https://youtu.be/DxZ5w-MIVcM
to this
https://youtu.be/PaFKeRZk1l0
https://youtu.be/cERtOPdt5Ms
https://youtu.be/X17Adv-_pC4
Admittedly she has a music background and I don't know where Pillow is coming from.

>>106568743 (OP)
What's up with ASMR vtubers and not knowing how to sing? If you make a tier list of popular vtubers who are awful at singing 90% of the list will be ones that focus/used to focus on ASMR

>>106568743 (OP)
Chuubas who can't sing but try their best to do it anyway are peak GFE content

>>106569135
They have great voices for asmr because their range is limited, would be my guess.

>>106568743 (OP)
Tell her to join Holo for some singing lessons and autotune.

>>106568743 (OP)
she's doing it because she enjoys it, she's more than likely well aware of her flaws but is doing around you all because she feels comfortable and supported enough by you all to be vulnerable on the internet about it in spite of how cruel the internet can be.
my oshi similarly can't sing well but music and musicals have always been a part of her life so we'll continue to support her at it and for her to finally reach the place with her signing level where she wants to be.

>>106569135
I can imagine part of the reason they get into asmr is that they can't sing

She makes post apologizing for being bad, she knows

>>106568743 (OP)
>She tries her hardest
so she got a vocal coach?

>>106570702
Yea she trains her throat everyday

my oshii is the same. shes really bad, so bad sometimes it hurts to listen. but she wants to be an idol so much, its really sad.

>>106571345
damn..

Ame... Fauna... Sana... Raora...

>>106568743 (OP)
Unless she's trying to make it main content, I don't think you should. As one anon has already mentioned, singing is something one does for themselves, and encouraging chuuba in doing her thing may prevent possible burnout and secure the career, so I prefer "enduring" such streams.

>>106568743 (OP)
You don't. If you love your oshi, you let her sing her little heart out. You cheer and you clap like there's never been a better singer. You are in Folsom prison and she's your Johnny Cash.

>>106571968
Shiori... Bijou... Fuwawa... Mococo...

post chuubas with great voices for both music and asmr

>>106573491
My chuubas are too strong for you, listener

>>106568743 (OP)
Pillow singing amidst capable singers at REM's concert was hilarious. She's like the retard they bring along to be nice.
https://www.youtube.com/live/O89eEKq21Fs?si=dMFB7PuvhLFw51jS&t=3250

>>106568743 (OP)
Why would you say anything? just cheer her on retard

I've heard her sing a little bit before. Even if she bulldozes some notes straight across instead of singing the right ones, she does it enthusiastically and sounds like she's having fun. I'll take that over a mid singer more concerned with getting it "right" and forgetting the other aspects of performing.

>>106568743 (OP)
just repeat that "you're getting better!" and enjoy it for what it is

Are we talking "not a great singer but is fine if you give her something that works within her limited range?" Like Biboo or Kronii? Or are we talking never should under any circumstances whatsoever like Nimi and Shiori.

>>106577443
*Never should sing

>>106568844
Dooby's singing is cute when she has the right song. Nimi's singing is nails on a chalkboard bad, paying to see her sing live is next level dedication to your oshi.

>>106573491
Rem. Also watch her concert

>>106577443
Come on, Shiori is not nearly THAT bad at singing.

>>106577443
If even Doki could learn to sing and dance (to a degree), I'd say nobody's truly hopeless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQWFts6r6E
Though Doki is an insane person who'd actually spend every waking hour not streaming working on her concert for a month while training with voice coaches/dance instructors.

>>106568743 (OP)
Just donate some money and say that the money is going to pay for a singing coach

>>106568743 (OP)
she knows

>>106572693
why did you list 4 girls that can sing

>>106578512
Did people not listen to Genesis or something? She sounds incredibly hot there

>>106568743 (OP)
How bad? Completely out of tune the entire song missing some notes? Depending on the difficulty of the song the later is understandable but the former is quite impossible to happen if you got lessons

>>106580124
Her performance during AFO was also very good.

>>106578512
Shiori is the least watched EN girl other than maybe ERB so I think a lot of people heard one of her early Karaokes and that is the image of her singing ability that is now calcified in their minds. (That's what happened with me at least)

>>106579791
>went from 2 left feet to dancing better than Mint in 6 months
that is not her dancing I hate to break it to you

>>106575729
Aww, that was cute.

my oshi is a very limited singer she can sound presentable with a lot of magic in post, but she is a great dancer so it evens out and became an idol because of that

>>106581717
>dancing better than Mint
You really don't know what you're talking about. The neither the songs she chose nor the dances she did were technically challenging. It's just a matter of working with the dance instructor/coach to mimic the movements and follow directions. Most of FantomeThief didn't even have original choreography, if any.

>>106582112
>>106579791
>these are the same dancers and totally not being skinwalked to keep up in certain numbers
uh oh retard alert

>>106568743 (OP)
Tell your oshi she is good at earlicking and has great potential to make us coon so she should focus on that.

>>106582236
Dragoons cannot be this braindead to think it is the same person.

>>106582112
>>106582236
This is the same girl. Moving stiff as a board with no coordination and no rhythm

>>106579791
This is obviously someone else

>>106582236
Anon that's quite literally the official choreography for the children's song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjh7kZKWm48
This is what it looks like when she actually hires a choreographer to redo it.
Nice try, though.

>>106582422
>>106582323
Sorry, I know self-improvement is an incomprehensible concept for people whose only experience with their streamers dancing is this.

>>106582638
doki is on these concerts because she is a big time and sells tickets
she isn't there because she is talented. if she was a 3view, the only way she is at a vtuber 3d concert is by buying a ticket and sitting in the crowd

>>106582777
>she isn't there because she is talented.
Whoa, really? What a revelation!
Yeah, she's not talented, but she works hard to make up for it. She had to reduce her streams for months while also showing up exhausted to each one with a new story about how she fucked up in dance class or a new trick she's learned.

>>106581244
I post this every time the topic comes up and it always seems to get ignored...
https://streamable.com/l580xt

>>106583947
>https://streamable.com/l580xt
Wow this is good! Shiori should focus more on singing and less on collabing with the worst homo of them all and people might actually start watching her!

>>106584389
She has like 3 different covers in the works

I think it is so funny that when you criticize a chuuba's singing like Dooby, Doki, Shiori, their fans will swoop into the thread to defend them with video files at the ready (I respect this btw I am a pebble and will defend Biboo's singing to the death) But when Nimi's singing gets bad mouthed its just crickets, even naplings know her singing is indefensibly unlistenable.

>>106569135
They specced into the wrong Voice tree

>>106572693
Fuwamoco can sing tho

>>106568743 (OP)
you don't, embrace the sovl
unless she is a bitch like the yellow and green ones that left

>>106584836
I agree. While they aren't close to IRyS or Saba in technical ability they are really good at singing Idol songs in a way that is energetic and fun, and it just works for them. They have je ne sai quoi and stage presence. Their Karaokes are my second favorite in EN after IRyS' now that Moom has graduated.

>>106568743 (OP)
i would rather be a dancer than a singer any day
much easier to stand out

>>106584730
I think a large part of it is the fact that Nimi/Fauna insisted she wanted to be an idol but somehow managed to put negative effort into improving her singing, the fact that her usual voice simply didn't work for singing yet she insisted on singing in that same voice didn't help either.

>>106585435
Let me stay here should have gone to Gura it would have been an SSS tier song in her hands.

>>106584932
>Saba
>technical ability
Your opinion is worthless. And FWMC are pretty bad, not Fauna/Ame level but still.

>>106568743 (OP)
It's one thing if it's a song cover but it's another if it's just karaoke. Karaoke is supposed to be fun and you don't need to be good at singing to do it. Maybe just let your oshi have fun.

>>106585516
It wouldn't have been released if it was in Gura's hands

>>106568743 (OP)
>oshi
>can's sing
she's not my oshi then :)

>>106583947
This is a concert recording. They can make Ollie and Roboco sound good. Or even make Fauna listenable.

>>106572693
shiori belongs with the other 4

>>106588671
Concerts, Covers and Orisongs are ultimately what actually matters, nobody watches karaoke specifically because they want to see great singing, but because they want to see their oshi sing.

>>106588740
I watch karaoke because I want live singing that doesn't make my ears bleed.
If only concerts, covers and orisongs matter then singing skill is just irrelevant.

>>106588740
My oshi fortunately doesn't do karaoke. Probably because she knows herself how grim. Self-awareness is also a good (and rare) trait.

>>106588565
As usual Saba haters seething that her voice brutally mogs their oshi's even though she puts in zero work and doesn't try. Sorry anon the universe isn't fair, hard work only gets you so far, Saba is the best singer in the history of vtubing and it isn't particularly close. She has 18 talent 18 soul and 18 song taste (too bad she rolled a 3 stamina lol) If you can't admit to that it's actually YOU whose opinion is worthless.

>>106588610
They should have just lured her into the studio with some free Dante merch and ripped it off in one take. Her single crack at a bosa nova song would have been a billion times better than fauna's auto tuned alvin and the chipmunks abortion that we ended up with.

>>106589063
Least delusional chumpedo

>>106588740
That's how you know someone's oshi can't sing

>>106568743 (OP)
You don't. She'll improve in her own time.

>>106590231
The biggest lie, they never do.

>>106571345
Same.
Sometimes when it gets extra bad I just mute her until the next song. Chat is spamming penlights and praising her voice, but the worst part is, she knows we're lying.

>>106590291
Not everyone is Nimi

>>106568743 (OP)
>my oshi can't sing
Yesterday's karaoke?

>>106568743 (OP)
If she can't sing she's just a whore.

>>106584730
Even Nimi knows that, so why pretend she can sing? She just did a test to make sure she isn't actually tone-deaf, that's the level we are talking here, her fans are happy enough just tracking small improvements over the years. She needs a very specific song fitting for her voice to make it sound okay.

what's her appeal?

>>106568852
holy shit thats gross

>>106568743 (OP)
Just ignore the singing streams instead of cheering like a simp even when they suck to encourage them.
Not everyone has to be a singer. They can do other stuff.

>>106568743 (OP)
>>106594377
Have Pillow take the same tone deafness test

>>106569468
Cool. She can sing in the shower or at the karaoke with friends.
Doesn't need to do it on stream.
I suck at drawing, still enjoy doing it, but it's not like I do art streams.
It gets a bit ridiculous rather than wholesome when someone sounds like she's strangling a cat and people cheer like if she were Ado.
I get people who are working on their vocals really hard like Calli, who audibly improved on her melodic stuff, it's not like they have to be perfect, but at some point it really becomes ridiculous.
They can stream other stuff, it's not like they have to sing.

>>106600344
>They can stream other stuff, it's not like they have to sing.
And they'll stream karaoke because they enjoy it. It's not like you have to watch that :^)