Thread 5927910

brainrot edition

>Virtual Youtubers rankings
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/document/ranking/

>Links
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/schedules
https://holodex.net/home

>Webm making guide
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/WebM

>Webm Software
XMedia Recode: https://www.xmedia-recode.de/en/
MPV Player & Scripts: https://mpv.io/
https://github.com/ekisu/mpv-webm
https://github.com/Sagnac/streamsave
https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp
https://github.com/chameleon-ai/webm-for-4chan

Try to not post webms that were just in the previous thread, unless requested.

Previous Thread: >>5917987

>>5927742
That makes no sense. She just did her last stream, she would have simply changed her branding to add Phase Connect like Sleepy, Mari, and Clio.

but I like her model :(

>>5927940
Why is this bitch such a try hard? Her model is fucking weird as well so yuck

>>5928010
Fuck off, Kiwifag.

>>5928017
kiwi? im not from NZ im AU

>>5928010
I don't know how the biggest English language vtuber can be a tryhard. Call her overrated if you want, but tryhard?

>>5928010
femanon...

>>5928010
But enough about Nimi.

>>5927925
>she would have simply changed her branding to add Phase Connect like Sleepy, Mari, and Clio.
They're Invaders though. They're allowed to keep their models and aren't a proper gen due to timing issues.
https://youtu.be/yFG5AJ38p6U?t=2936
>>5927742
Is it confirmed that she's joining Phase? Aren't Hololive and others supposed to be launching new gens soon as well?

Can I ask how someone ends up wanting to watch this stuff?

>>5928010
lol, lmao

>>5928287
Yeah I know what invaders are. It happens when indies have a big enough name to keep. I highly doubt Kitanya would give up her brand recognition to be part of a fresh Phase gen. Giving it up to join Hololive makes more sense though.

>>5928289
Two reasons mainly.
>vtubers come from idol culture where you watch girls set out to become idols and work hard to improve their dancing/singing/entertainment skills and grow their fanbase. People pick favorites and get inspired by seeing them do well, basically sports mentality. There's also agencies that sign on talents and stuff that work kind of like sports teams and there are toxic fans that get mad when a popular talent leaves their favorite agency and toxic fans who hate certain talents simply because they're on the opposing team.
>Many vtubers, especially on the English side, come from the internet/streamer content creation side of things so many do general streamer type content (basically people watch them for the same reason people watch other streamers like ass mongoloid.

>>5928287
>Is it confirmed that she's joining Phase?
No. She hasn't said anything about where she's going and adamantly refused to give any hints, only that she'll be back. Everyone's thinking she and Nyana will be going to the same agency because of the overlapping graduation date, and Nyana has been pretty much flaunting that it's Phase, but that's it. Going by how her friends are acting like they'll never be able to collab or interact on stream again it feels less like Phase since Phase is very lax on who they allow collabs with. We won't know until she's back.

>>5928315
On the topic on Nyana Banyana, isn't she basically a spin-off of a Pippa joke when she made a fake vtuber agency? It makes total sense that she'd join Phase.
For Kitanya's part, she doesn't really associate herself with Phase girls, right?

Someone post more of that fat bitch with the belly rolls. She had great tits.

>>5928333
I'm not interested in clipping her but if you wanna check her out:
https://www.twitch.tv/mintcastella

>>5928328
I think so. The only one from that joke group I really remember was that DIY girl.

Kitanya is friends with Lumi, likes Muyu, and I think had some interactions with Dizzy, but that's it. She's never talked about Phase or really interacted with anyone else there. If anything it felt like Sakana and Lumi had been trying to convince her friend Nina to join rather than her, so her joining instead would be somewhat uncharacteristic.

>>5928029
Ofc she can. She's trying too hard to bait for clips by doing little movements that add nothing to the moment, and it feels artificial and forced. like the "ah-" moment from the Gura debut.

>>5928310
This is an example of a good model that can animate well, plus her personality feels more genuine. Gura or whatever this new thing is called is shit, and she's always felt off as a person, like she's the pokimane of vtubers and I guess pay piggies are zealots so nuance is irrelevant.

>>5928328
>In the next PHASE of your life
>In the next PHASE of my life
it's almost too on the nose

>>5928401
>This is an example of a good model that can animate well
The same rigger rigged both of their models.

>>5928410
And?

>>5928411
There's actually a lot of similarities in how the animations look, how expressive they are, etc...

>>5928401
>threatened by Gura/Saba but not Pomu/Mint
I wonder why, i cant quite place my chest on it.

Anyone have IRyS clips

>>5928505
thats fucking insane that she said that sentence

>>5928401
this poster definitely has a pussy

>>5928328
Can Pippa not hear that every time she speaks it sounds like she's streaming from inside a tornado that's mid collision with a hurricane? Does she not have a mod or a manager or anything to tell her how to setup a microphone so it doesn't physically hurt listeners?

>>5928649
If you're trying to post this as if it's dumb, it's literally what any vet or ecologist would tell you. Cats roaming around in any kind of built up enviorment get hurt and poisoned and maimed and killed by the thousands, every day. They also casually kill any small animals they can catch. Not even to eat. They'll just kill every bird or mouse or anything like that they find in a wide area.

>>5928652
>They'll just kill every bird or mouse or anything like that they find in a wide area.
You say this as if it's a bad thing.

>>5928658
It's bad for the local enviornment to kill everything in a wide swath. Even if you personally don't like birds or care about mice or whatever, they perform essential roles as polinators and eating and spreading seeds around and etc.

>>5928659
...and constantly shitting on everyone's car

>>5928658
It is, look up what happened to china when they killed all the sparrows

>>5928662
I didn't say kill every bird everywhere. Just all the ones within a mile of my car or any sidewalk I plan on walking on.

>>5928660
>>5928664
>>5928658
Nigger just park in the garage

>>5928303
>vtubers come from idol culture
Stopped reading there.

>>5928649
>>5928652
I don't understand being so concerned about the potential death of your pet. If you love them you would want them to be happy. I would imagine they would be much happier to be able to go outside as it will be an environment they are more apt for.

>>5928689
Holodrones really believe they invented the wheel.

>>5928697
Oh, well if you imagined it I'm sure you know better than actual experts and can just ignore them in favor of your feelings.

>>5928708
I am not disagreeing with the experts on the potential outcome; rather I have a possibly different set of values. They state that there is an X chance of your cat dying by being outside, which is why they recommend keeping your cat inside. However, this recommendation is due to X being above their threshold. If a cat would suffer immensely by being inside, then presumably their threshold would rise. I am questioning the threshold itself, which I believe cannot be as easily determined by an expert. They may have greater insight into how a cat would suffer, but the threshold can only be established by first knowing their values regarding how they view said suffering.
>in favor of your feelings
Values come from your feelings. You cannot derive an ought from an is.

>>5928675
I do, and it costs me an extra $100 a month on my rent to be able to that I wouldn't pay if it wasn't the only way to not have to spend ten minutes literally every day cleaning animal shit off my car.

>>5928718
Cats don't suffer immensely, or at all, by being kept indoors. Just like they don't suffer from being fixed, or having their teeth cleaned, or getting vaccinations, or any of a hundred other things that people do for their own good. They would avoid all those things if they could. But that would be worse for them. It would shorten and worsen their individual lives as well as make cats as a whole worse off. Treating the desires of a cat as paramanount, when they doesn't have any capacity to understand the world or the consequences of getting what it wants in the instant is not kindness. It's idiotic cruelty with a shallow coating of care.

>>5927925
>Graduation
aww man I really liked her model

>>5928749
Where on earth do you like that using your own garage costs them $100/month and there's so many birds shitting 24/7? Coastal Australia? California?

>>5928533
she says shit like this every other sentence

>>5928652
Not every environment is fit for an outdoor cat.
But an outdoor cat is better off than an indoor cat interms of its mentally wellbeing dramatically.

And most owners of indoor pets don't properly provide for them to ensure that the animal is doing well in that environment.

>>5928697
>>5928708
yeah my cats were both rescues who previously lived outdoors, so they're indoor-outdoor cats. They'd die if left inside. I'm not one of those sick freaks who "buys" a cat and then keeps it locked up? My cats found me.

>>5928647
Pippa live in trailer now, please undastando.

It sounds like the real solution here is to get a dog and take it for walkies.

>>5928958
Man, Doog hasn't played Doom in years.

>>5928918
She's homeless and I just heard it's her birthday

>>5928974
Don't forget shes an alcoholic too

>>5929120
Hell of an accusation. Vshojo lawsuit arc should be good.

>>5929120
I wonder how this all works out. Melody is a part owner, not just a talent, for one thing, right? All the members will leave, 100%, but what about her?

>>5929130
might explain why Melody has started streaming regularly on chaturbate again
need to make some cash

>>5929120
>make a company
>let company screw you over
>cause drama you probably allowed to happen
>???????
>profit

>>5929141
She didn't "make" Vshojo.

>>5929150
I hate this whore's voice so much

>>5929157
(you)

>>5929163
Shots fired at Lily Hopkins

>>5929163
I don't believe it because the last part of >>5929150
was a really funny joke, women can't come up with that

>>5928401
holy jealous seething faggot

>>5929150
>>5929163
https://x.com/AvirosaR18/status/1940595000162783704

>>5928401
So you are not ok with Saba drinking water but you are ok with Mint eating babies? Dude.

>>5929120
Every single Vshojo talent has removed "Vshojo" from their twitter bios/names.
It's joever.

>vshoujo imploding
>Nimi is getting married
what a day

>>5929247
>Nimi is getting married
The seethe is going to be crazy.

reject corprodrama, embrace gremlin

>>5929258
Can someone explain the purpose of dying when someone says "book"?

>>5929120
>out of the loop
>watch this
>look it up on youtube because come on, this can't possibly be real
>it's real
Wow, genuinely unbelievable fuckup.

>>5929264
It's the lastest friendslop Lethal Company ripoff. This one's gimmick is everything is voice controlled and you're assigned random words that make you take damage if anyone says them.

Told you.

>>5929205
Pretty much yeah, I just said I don't like one (1) vtuber you cunts need to get real gura/saba is lame she's always been lame, if it wasn't true then nobody would be seething about the comment.

>>5929519
What does this have to do with Fauna?

>>5929540
>be a retard
>get called a retard
>woah bro, look how right i am!

>>5929247
Based and indiepilled.
Based and familypilled.

sapcucks living up to the name

>>5929828
> oh no, some woman I will never meet is getting married. Time to get upset about it.

>>5929837
Such is the way of idol culture

>>5927515
Mondays (one thru seven) are never going to be the same again.

Ozzy died today :'(

>>5929937
who cares

>>5929936
that double digit IQ really coming into play

Do anyone has in hand the link of the video where lumi is playing a soccer? game with 4chan and she says the N word?

>>5929265
>first we lost Pikamee because of Trannoid niggers
>now we lose Henya because of corpo jew faggots

>>5930015
It's amazing how quick self-righteous people are to bully others.
Then again, I suppose zealotry doesn't need a religion behind it, just mad cunts.

>>5928029
She's as cute as ever but I miss the witch.

>>5930015
I blame Kson, dumb whore whispered lies into Pikamee's ears about her dogshit company when she would have been better off as an Indie.

>>5930015
>now we lose Henya
Henya isn't graduating, goober

Like tears in rain.

>>5930015
You don't even watch Henya.

>>5930053
can she really do that? I have no clue of how the legal terms of Vshojo are

>>5930056
It's not like most corpos, Vshojo generally doesn't own any of the talents' IP or their channels or anything. Some liken them more to a talent agency because of this.

>>5929767
lmao, what even. How did all of these bitches go for an entire year or more of not being paid without threatening to quit after the first month of that?

>>5928289
loneliness

>>5929247
call me an incel, but nimi announcing her marriage makes me seethe. It has zero relevance to her career besides poking holes in the fantasy. As if she doesn't realize 99% of her viewer base are lonely male losers like myself who enjoy streams for the pseudosocial female company. As if Uruha Rushia's career wasn't destroyed for even the hint of a boyfriend. Fucking westerners appropriating culture and doing it wrong.

>>5930115
You're the problem with vtubers and idol culture in general. Go touch grass.

>>5930117
I'm the reason they exist at all, nigger

>>5930118
That's the problem.

>>5930122
Why are you on a vtuber thread if you wish vtubers didn't exist

>>5930115
You're right though. Don't listen to the faggots that want to normify vtubing.

>>5930115
If you know it's pretend, why can't you just keep pretending? If anything, maintaining a fantasy in defiance of all evidince is even more romantic. It seems like you're only parasocial when it's easy. Once anything is asked of you, you falter. Maybe you never deserved even the fantasy, if that's all your love amounts to.

>>5930154
I don't fantasize about being a cuck, maybe you shouldn't either.

>>5930155
might wanna close 4chan for awhile buddy

>>5930157
>ummm actually touch grass incel

fuck off back to tiktok you repulsive normie

>>5930158
what, you thinking posting in 4chan after your oshi announced she'd getting fucking married after taking everyone's merch money from the redebut is gonna do you any good? you dont have to touch grass but take some time off from here

>>5930115
lol, lmao

>>5930160
The truth is almost everything everyone dreams about for their lives and future will never happen, and it was always impossible for them from the start. That's just how life is. So if it's going to be dreams sustaining you through all this regardless, why not really outlandish ones? It's all equally out of your grasp, so reach for the stars.

>>5930155
You're already a cuck, you're giving money to a woman that will never fuck you

>>5930163
Yeah but at least I could pretend otherwise before the announcement.

>>5930166
Good pay piggy

>>5930167
You really showed me.

>>5930115
shouting into the void
no one who still posts /here/ likes vtuber culture

>>5930175
/wsg/ has its own userbase, anon. Also, imo, I don't think that toxic parasocial fan was ever the point of idol culture, it's just a common hilarious occurrence, like dudes who fall in love with AIs.

>>5930182
you're objectively wrong. Obsessive fans are what the idol industry is built on.

>>5928968
She played The Dark Ages like a month ago

>>5930115
Stick with Hololive, indies are not for you.
Vtubers are such a commodity that there's no point in wasting energy on the ones that upset you.

>>5930187
It's one thing to support an idol and do wotagei at their shows and be inspired by seeing them work hard and shit but another thing altogether to think you're going to marry them if you donate more money.

>>5930198
Okay. Doesn't stop the delusional whales from being 90% of their income.

>>5930200
Same goes for whores on onlyfans. Doesn't mean idol culture is a good thing

>>5930209
>doesn't mean parasocial whales are porn culture
fixed

Man you guys suck at this whole posting webms/gifs on the designated webm/gif board.

>>5930250
hurr durr

>>5928652
she doesn't say built up environment, she says outside

it's technically true in places they aren't native like pacific islands or something, but otherwise they very much are meant to be outside

>>5930115
that kind of retard should seethe as much as possible so you grow up already

>>5930115
You want your favorite Vtubers to turn into 40yo wine aunts or something? Let her find happiness while she still has her youth, you faggot.

>>5930250
Thanks

>>5930365
I KNEW this dumbass was trying to join Vhoejo. How do you go from NijiEN to another company full of red flags? What a moron, i like mint but holy shit thats some dumbass behavior.

>>5930151
based

>>5930383
Matara tried to get everyone who left Niji and many of them bought it, it isn't fully her fault

>>5929141
Or the company could've just not committed fraud.

>>5930400
Trusting Matara at all is very much her fault, she belongs in Vshojo for a reason.

>>5930422
Just like how Ironmouse could just not pretend to be on her deathbed all the time?

>>5930425
>>5930430
retard

>>5930473
Aw, did i hurt your feelings? Vshojo fans are mentally ill.

>>5930383
>thats some dumbass behavior.
Welcome to women in general.

>>5930400
>In Mint's video she complains about the people who knew that let her blindly walk into it
>In Matara's video she talks about needing to let people make their own mistake
https://youtu.be/OiqJqrRh1SM?t=156
Are they talking about each other?
Also, do we know who the third person that was supposed to debut with Mint was? The second was Phoebe Chan.

>>5930115
keeping it private is the best option, normalizing this kind of thing is to invite trouble, it starts with "teehee I just got married" or "teehee I got a bf" and before you realize the whole thing becomes onlyfans 2.0, give them one inch and they take a mile

I'm glad she got married and I hope she is happy but again keep it to yourself, you dumb Tapir

>>5930102
They had too much money and too much stupid.

>>5930576
Why don't you watch them because they're entertaining instead of walking this thin line of it all being a cuckold fantasy. You know you can watch an entertainer because they're entertaining, right? It'll be a good thing once you "girlfriend experience" simps die out.

>>5930383
>>5930571
It shouldn't surprise anyone that she wanted to work with them. Aside from on /here/ VShojo had a pretty good reputation.
It's possible that Mint and Matara have had a falling out, but Mint doesn't like causing trouble so I doubt we'll know except by Mint not associating with her in the future.

>>5930102
We're not talking about main income, which would be from their respective channels that they fully own. We're talking merch sales and stuff like that. Don't think of Vshojo as a company that owns the models and pays the talents like Hololive or Phase, it's a different (apparently non-functional) business model.

>>5930696
>Aside from on /here/ VShojo had a pretty good reputation.
Damn near all of the original girls in Vshojo are known for fucking over their fans in one way or another. If you're not just some SEA that mindlessly consumes Vtuber content, you'd know they're nothing but trouble. The issue is that people in the industry look at negative statements against talent as "antis" only so its hard for someone like Mint to understand how shit the people there actually are.

>>5930571
I feel sorry for Phoebe, who was banking on that happening. She's gambled and lost a few times now.

>>5930718
I'm not even arguing with you about them being shit. I'm just saying the general sentiment was that VShojo was reputable and most Vshojo hate is relegated to 4chan.

>>5930730
Out of all the companies, Vshojo gets the most hate off site than the other two from what i've found. (ignoring NijiEN)

>>5930696
>We're talking merch sales and stuff like that.
That makes it seems slightly less retarded, but even still. If my company says they're paying out a bonus then the question that's constantly asked is "ok, when and how much" until it's in the paycheck.

>>5930753
Being an independent contractor carries different expectations than a salaried employee, but it's pretty retarded to tolerate being shafted for almost a year. I guess that happens when you get strung along, and as Kson said, she felt like if she left sooner she wouldn't get what was owed at all. Which is retarded because that's literally illegal but whatever.

>>5930145
>trying to be real for a moment
>refuses to no-sell a dono
Goddamn

>>5930111
you alright fren?

>>5930801
ten bucks tho

>>5930200
Do you seriously think that applies to Nimi? She's not going to take an appreciable hit.

>>5928649
cats do live shorter lifes outside and they do fuck shit up

>>5929120
>one of the fagtubers that gets spammed here donated $16k to her fundraiser
where the fuck did he get that kind of money?

>>5930829
I respect it

>>5930942
on the internet nobody knows you're a flock of birds

>>5930928
>With Love, Gao Gao From our community. <3
seems like it was a group effort

>>5930950
So this is the power of The Gays™

>>5930928
Which one was that?

>>5930829
You underestimate how important the obsessive fans are. They're not simply a number like a viewer that only watches and can be replaced from week to week. They're predominantly the most supportive fans that are responsible for a ton of the thankless work that carries a talent's momentum forward. The backbone of any community usually boils down to a handful of extremely dedicated people, and it's not a coincidence that those people are the ones that care the most. Don't underestimate how tenacious poison can become in a person's heart.

>>5931002
>a handful of extremely dedicated people
lol
lmao

>>5931004
Nothing I said was inaccurate or untrue.

>>5931002
Nothing of value will be lost

>>5931007
You're delusional if you really think that. These girls arent small indies, they dont have a handful of loyal gachikois, they have a large supporter base. You think just a handful of people bought out all her fumolike merch when she debuted? She'll be fine without her unicorns.

>>5930689
It's not a "cuckold fantasy" if the retards never openly declare they're dating or married to anyone. It's YOU turning it into one trying to make it normal for them to announce it like their private personal lives should be broadcast to us. FFS you people are insufferable, you have no idea what you're talking about and cannot stop from projecting onto everyone else.

>>5931026
It's completely normal for entertainers to have lives outside of their job, which includes having a boyfriend or husband. Trying to fantasize it as otherwise is being stuck in the closet while you jork it to another man railing your oshii when she's not on stream.

>>5931016
>>5931017
You ignored what I said because you want to believe the opposite. I didn't mention anything about merchandise. I said thankless work. The overwhelming majority of support that content creators on the Internet are based on completely voluntary, unpaid work the fans put in to promote and spread what they're a fan of. It's a more focused kind of "word of mouth". Normal viewers, subscribers, or merch buyers don't dedicate hours of their day every day to uplift the vtuber. This has a much larger impact on a vtuber's momentum than you think it does. You've been watching what happens to content creators on the Internet that abandon or betray their core audience your whole life, but for some reason you think the vtuber you like is so big that they're an exception to this?

Get real.

>>5931029
>You've been watching what happens to content creators on the Internet that abandon or betray their core audience your whole life,
Listen to yourself, retard. Only Unicorns are upset she's getting married, she didnt betray you, she didnt abandon you. You can cope and seethe all you want but you're not important, the proof of this will come from the fact that Nimi will still be popular and she'll be even more happy with the guy she's marrying. Get over yourself, you're a nobody.

>>5931037
Let me get this straight. Your stance is that a talent lying to her audience is not immoral? Accusations of unicorning don't hold water. Normal self respecting men do not support a taken woman. This kind of behavior is degenerate and historically dangerous. You can't intellectualize away human nature once the veil of plausible deniability is removed. As I said, and you only pretended to reply to, you've watched what happens to the careers of female idols, streamers, and vtubers when they spend years maintaining that they're single only to later have it be revealed that they're not. You haven't supplied a single reason how or why anyone is an exception to this. Have you already forgotten what happened to Sinder?

>>5931047
>Your stance is that a talent lying to her audience is not immoral?
How the fuck is she lying to you, faggot? Im going to ignore most of your schizo babble and point out that Inuyama Tamaki, one of the bigger JP Vtubers is married, announced she was married and had absolutely no issues. How about the Omega Sisters, on of which was pregnant, did they betray their fans? Were they lying? You are simply mentally ill, you should seek help if someone you've never met getting married upsets you so much.

>>5931002
>a handful of extremely dedicated people
lmfao is this copypasta?

Damn niggas, I ain't reading all that

>>5931047
>Have you already forgotten what happened to Sinder?
Having a boyfriend was literally the most minor part of what got her cancelled, so much so that in the grand scheme of things most people didn't even notice or care.

>>5931063
The drama with the artist is why vtubers stopped supporting her. But fellow vtubers are not her fans. If being an asshole to her friends was the only thing she did her fans might have thought it was scummy, but they would have overlooked it and her career would still exist right now with much less networking. The reason everything fell apart was because every fan she was relying on with her channel, discord, and social media dropped her at the same time. You probably weren't paying close attention to what her community was doing or saying at the time because the voices of vtubers on twitter were so much louder, but I remember. They were expressing feelings of extreme regret and betrayal because of the boyfriend. Fans don't incinerate your merchandise because you stabbed a friend in the back. They do it because they feel like they were stabbed in the back.

mucho texto itt

wife and wife

>>5931002
The only thing that will shut you up is a look at how she's doing in a few months. But you won't care because you will have moved on to bitching about someone else breaking your fucking immersion or some shit. By the way, this is the entire extent to which Nimi has talked about it on stream.

>>5931078
Man, look at those handful of fans raising hell in the comments, its so over bros...

>>5931078
This is what you respond with because you have no reasonable or rational way to refute what I'm saying. I'll remind you that what I claimed was the core audience she cultivated and then turned her back on is important. I even prompted you to recall what happened to all of the other streamers or youtubers you've personally seen that turned their backs on their core audience in a similar manner as rationale to support my claim. You couldn't argue against this point. You can only lightly suggest that you believe she will be an exception because of her current popularity. That's an unreasonable conclusion.

>>5931084
>core audience
She's not a GFE streamer. Holy fucking schizo.

>>5930696
In her video she says
>you know, it's really unfortunate that nobody knew how bad it was except the people who knew how bad it was and they were just kind of willing to let everyone else walk into a burning building
https://youtu.be/Bgde3wglIJ4?t=769
Both Mint and Matara could just be talking in general or about different people though. However, it does sound like Matara knew given that she quit and stuff.
>>5930726
The fact that we haven't heard a statement from the third idol that was supposed to be part of their group makes me think that they were perhaps a former irl idol that was planning to transition to vtubing. Hard to think of any reason why a vtuber wouldn't want to make a statement about it

>>5931084
If it was someone else, your argument might have legs. For instance a small streamer like Phoebe Chan is kept afloat by very few hardcore dedicated fans. Nimi ain't hololive anymore and is top 10 among indies. The sperg paypigs that felt "betrayed" have remained in the hololive ecosystem and her audience is not what you portend it to be. She's not fucking Fuwamoco. By the way, yesterday she went head to head agains Fuwamoco playing the same game and her ccv was double. Some betrayed audience there.

>>5928029
>cat ears vtuber number 1203912039123
meh

>>5930829
>vtuber that primarily has lonely guys as fans announces that she's actually getting married
i particularly never wanted family etc. but i wonder what do those lonely guys that cannot even if they wanted think when the see shit like this

>>5931086
>hololive
>She's not a GFE streamer
hmm...

>>5931052
>How about the Omega Sisters, on of which was pregnant
lmao I didn't know that. I haven't watched them in a while because their content isn't translated.

>>5931220
Ray already gave birth 5 years ago. She's now pregnant with a second child.

>>5931170
>>5931052
Stretched examples of exceptions don't mean that it's likely the vtuber you like will be an exception. For every vtuber that manages to stay afloat after circumstances like this come to light, 19 others get squashed. You just don't notice them or care. You're not looking at the entire industry. You're laser focused on what you want to focus on and insist "no, my oshi is different" with nothing but a hunch to back it up. Meanwhile my conclusion is based on 20 years of streamers rising and falling.

Every reasonable person understands that what she did damaged her growth and potential, especially Nimi herself which is why she has been carefully preparing this. The nature of this damage is an open wound. It will continue to bleed for as long as she still streams. The effects go deeper than just losing unicorns. You're here insisting that the wound isn't that bad. Every time she reminds her viewers that the money given to her will be financing her life with another man the wound will re-open. There's only two eventual outcomes. Either the viewer that still supports her fully embraces a cuck mentality/philosophy, or the viewer leaves.

I'll repeat myself one final time. Self respecting men don't support a taken woman. You wouldn't listen to an explanation about why this is so I won't get into it.

>>5931242
>Self respecting men don't support a taken woman
True. I was about to pay my doctor for the visit when I noticed the ring on her finger. Called her a cunt and left.

>>5929669
Actually they called me a woman and a faggot, im neither, also I am right, and my taste in vtubers is objectively better.

>>5931256
>it's a transaction
Disgraceful.

>>5931047
>>5931242
Imagine how mad he'll be when he finds out she's not really an anime girl either.

>>5931202
>hololive
>GFE
>With Matsuri in it
>with other married women like AZki
Fuck off, retard.

>>5931305
>rrats
The nerve you have to call other people retarded.

>>5931242
I've given you perfect and higher class examples than you've given us. Sinder was already in a drama spiral which gave everyone justification to do what they did but you only want to look at it as "boyfriend bad!" for your own schizo narrative. I dislike most of Vshojo but a lot of them STREAMED with their boyfriends and got away with it. Mari Mari is confirmed to have a boyfriend and she's fine, Matsuri openly posts about going to host clubs, do you think she just DOESNT have sex with that kind of activity? Are you that delusional? Most healthy minded people dont give a shit, why? Because they're not romantically pursuing these women because they've never met them in their life and never will. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a stalker and mentally ill, like you. Grow up.

>>5931310
>what is roommate accounts
holy newfag.

>>5931314
You're trying to distort this situation to suit your conclusion because you don't have relevant examples. Vtubers that are open and honest with their audience from the beginning are not the same. Claiming rrats you read on /vt/ are sufficient to convince you of something only demonstrates that you're desperately looking for any indication of information that affirms your beliefs. You're also trying to paint me as a unicorn in order to dismiss what I'm saying. I acknowledge the existence of the unicorns and the effect spurning them has on a vtubers success when that vtuber has been exploiting them and relying on them for years. I have no horse in this race. I'm telling you that normal healthy minded men don't engage with women that are in a relationship. It has nothing to do with romance. If you don't understand this it's because you have no self-respect or pride as a man. In other words you're not a man. The opinions of people with no standards mean nothing to me. If you don't care about something, then what you say doesn't matter. Just like with the doctor analogy. If your doctor expresses to you that they never cared about learning biology or medicine, their opinion about what you should to with your body doesn't matter. If you think it still should, you're retarded.

>>5931323
>Claiming rrats you read on /vt/ are sufficient to convince you of something only demonstrates that you're desperately looking for any indication of information that affirms your beliefs.
You're a unicorn and a new fag, how embarrassing. https://files.catbox.moe/fch23o.jpg
>I'm telling you that normal healthy minded men don't engage with women that are in a relationship.
We get it, you have no female friends, fucking sperg. You'll just have to sit there seething while Nimi keeps getting more popular as time passes for you to understand that you're wrong and a literal schizo, though i can already see you trying to mental gymnastic yourself into thinking this isnt you being wrong.

>>5931325
Is Nimi announcing her engagement on twitter a rrat? No. So rrats aren't equivalent or relevant.
Nothing is scummier than a man that ingratiates himself with taken women while pretending he has completely platonic intentions. If you think you're fooling anyone you're delusional. Women know what you're doing but they benefit from it so they allow you to continue doing it. And because they know you're spineless that it will never become a problem for them. I already told you I have no horse in this race and your argument relies on the assumption that I'm lying.

You're still ignoring the core of what I was saying. Exploiting vulnerable men through deception is immoral, and that is exactly what she did. You can try to argue that it won't matter in the end because you think men with self-respect or standards are outnumbered, but you're wrong. You desperately want to believe you're not embracing a cuckold philosophy because you innately understand how shameful that is, and it soothes you to imagine that what you want is popular.
>getting more popular
That's what your argument hinges on; the appeal to population. Not objective scrutiny of her behavior or her worthiness for your time and attention.

>>5931333
>You're still ignoring the core of what I was saying. Exploiting vulnerable men through deception is immoral,
Only its not deception, this isnt a Rushia situation, she was honest about her being in a relationship, she doesnt do GFE and she has told her fans flat out in the past that she doesnt see you as "friends" as to cement the fact that she's not a GFE streamer. YOU are the one making it out to be something that its not.
>Is Nimi announcing her engagement on twitter a rrat? No. So rrats aren't equivalent or relevant.
First off, its not a rrat, i gave you proof of that. Second off, its from Matsuri's own RM twitter, it is on the same level of importance when it concerns theses "handful of superfans" you're so delsusional about. You wanted to act like Nimi dating/marrying a man is the biggest sin to her core audience and that it will lead to her downfall, i gave you multiple examples of Vtubers that have been open about how they are around men, whether its them having obvious sex or its them dating/getting married. All of my examples have proven that they do not lead to any downfall and are in turn still successful. You ended up moving the goalpost into saying that now you're NOT some kind of unicorn (you are) and that people who watch women that openly date arent men. I also want to add btw, you said that it has nothing to do with romance, if thats true, why do you keep bringing up cuckoldry? Its not cuckoldry if you're not invested in the girl romantically or sexually, are you too mentally stunted to be able to understand that? Im done engaging in your schizophrenic episode now, if you want to continue rambling, at least post some webms to keep the rest of the thread entertained while you scream into the void.

>>5931390
I was literally about to convert that one lmao.

>>5931390
>wonder why this is being reposted a billion times on vt
>some twitter grifter account posted it
I see

>>5931333
>That's what your argument hinges on; the appeal to population. Not objective scrutiny of her behavior or her worthiness for your time and attention.
Actually I jumped into this shitshow replying to >>5930200 which was a claim that the economy of vtubing is such that the bread and butter is based on supporters that will leave on an announcement like marriage. I don't care about your opinion on how Nimi ought to behave. A vtuber's success is measurable and the thesis that Nimi's audience fits that model can be tested.
I'm simply asserting that Nimi will face no real negative impact from the announcement and the idol model of never mentioning men does not universally hold.

>>5931526
I'm asserting that many of you are underestimating how important the obsessive fans are underneath it all. She knows that it will negatively impact her, which is why she waited until she was confident she could still make a living before pulling the rug out from under the people that broke their backs getting her to where she is. The model you're denigrating didn't spontaneously or arbitrarily start existing. While obviously there are exceptions, the overwhelming majority of the time those exceptions exist is because the women were much more upfront and truthful from much earlier on. Easy example: Nobody cares if a married woman wants to become a vtuber. But obviously some people are going to care if a married woman who hides she's married wants to become a vtuber. Everybody understands why a woman like this would hide her relationship even if they're not saying it. These women do this to capitalize on unicorns. They pretend to be virgins to make more money. They find no moral issue with this and they'll justify it in a thousand different ways. But that doesn't really make it okay.

There's nothing wrong with being in a relationship or getting married as a vtuber. It's wrong to mislead the vulnerable group of extremely desperate, lonely, and generous men in your audience by hiding either your relationship or your intentions to be in one. The fact that this continues to happen and nobody fights against it is incredibly sad. I look at these men like I look at children, or the mentally infirm, or the elderly. Through forces beyond their control they can't help themselves in some ways. And I think it's wrong to take advantage of those groups of people. If you've ever had an elderly family member get scammed you would understand my position.

Lonely men don't deserve to be treated this way. They deserve truthfulness too.

I am not reading any of that

>>5931537
>I'm asserting that many of you are underestimating how important the obsessive fans are underneath it all.
I don't care to speak in general terms but in the case of Nimi you are finding out right now whether or not that claim is true and neither of us can prove our assertion because it has been 2 days. I've had enough of this silliness.

>>5931537
>Lonely men don't deserve to be treated this way.
What the fuck makes you think they don't? If they were decent fucking human beings they'd be in relationships and none of this would matter but they're shit men who are objective failures and so who gives a fuck about their feelings?

>>5931543
Calm down, edgy psycho.

>>5931542
I don't believe she is an exception to the common trend. I'm not saying it will tank her career obviously, but it will negatively affect her community and growth in ways that will not be plainly visible. It's difficult to notice the absence of people who used to be supportive if they simply leave. I reached my conclusion based on everything I've witnessed from female content creators for over 20 years. There are a lot of things that insulate her from the worst of it for certain, but there's no denying that people don't like being misled for any reason no matter how it's justified.

All of this simply could have been avoided if everyone was honest from the beginning. That's the ideal scenario.

>>5931537
>She knows that it will negatively impact her, which is why she waited until she was confident she could still make a living before pulling the rug out from under the people that broke their backs getting her to where she
Ok you are very retarded, because she doesnt even have superchats on. If she gave a fuck about making a living she would of had it turned on. This is why i find this drama so hilarious because you dumb faggots bring up money do not even have a clue who you are talking about/

>>5931537
>exploiting the "mentally infirm" for cash is fine as long as you don't accidentally reveal that the pathetic false hope you're selling is false

>>5931557
You know superchats are not the sole way to make money as a vtuber, and you know she makes her money other ways. Are you going to be so asinine to demand that I list them out for you? You probably don't even remember the reason she gave for not having superchats turned on. You should look up a clip. You might find it interesting.

>>5931559
I never implied it was fine to exploit anyone. It was never okay for her to lie to her audience. And it certainly wasn't accidentally revealed.

Can you guys recommend a vtuber in Japanese without breast physics? (no dudes).

Subtitles are optional, don't need em.

>>5931567
No physics because they're too small, or no physics because she uses some old jank model?

>>5931548
>I reached my conclusion based on everything I've witnessed from female content creators for over 20 years.
>but ignores all the successful Vtubers that had what you're bitching about happen to them with no issues what so ever

>>5931567
This man asks the important questions.
Consider Shigure Ui

>>5931567
Suisei HATES jiggly tits.

>>5931571
I didn't ignore them in the slightest. I called them exceptions because they're rare. The words "no issues what so ever" is complete dishonesty. Don't forget the context of this situation. She was misleading her audience for years and profiting off of their false assumptions. Coming clean far too late always accompanies some degree of resentment from any audience. People don't like being lied to. It doesn't matter what the lie is about. The fact that is was a lie is enough to turn some people away. That is an issue that could have been avoided with truthfulness from the beginning. But people aren't confident that being honest will help them grow, so they lie, and they keep lying because it's more profitable.

>>5931577
>She was misleading her audience for years and profiting off of their false assumptions
She made it very obvious she's not GFE and she also worked at Hololive, where its against company rules to be open about the relationship. Whats your next cope?
>I didn't ignore them in the slightest. I called them exceptions because they're rare.
No, you're ignoring them to help delude yourself. You act like the announcement of a boyfriend leads to massive problems when i think the only case where this is actually true is Rushia where she was ACTIVELY lying to her fans, doing hardcore GFE AND married while doing it all. Im sure there might be small indie cases but those cases cant really be used when you compare them to the size of someone like Nimi. I gotta ask btw, do you think any of the girls you watch are forever virgins? Do you think they're not dating anyone? If not, does that upset you? Do you think they have an obligation to tell you about their personal life? Do you expect the cashier you buy food from to tell you about her boyfriend/husband? Are all of these women lying if they dont tell you they're dating someone? (the answer is no, they're not.)

>>5931587
>She made it very obvious she's not GFE
This statement is contradicted by
>she also worked at Hololive, where its against company rules to be open about the relationship.
>You act like the announcement of a boyfriend leads to massive problems
It leads to problems. How big they become in the end is unpredictable.
The rest of your post is just trying to provoke me to get into the weeds with you. You're trying to paint me as a unicorn because it would be convenient. You could easily dismiss what I said, but I don't qualify.

Everyone is well aware what the policies of Hololive are. I'm insinuating that those policies are also part of the problem. They mandate that talents can't be forthcoming, and situations like this usually result from that. Relationships aren't a problem. Lies are the problem. Hololive is complicit for their part in this as well. It's possible that Nimi/Fauna would have be truthful from the beginning if she were permitted to be. But we'll never know.

>>5931589
You're a fucking retard, lack of information does not equal a lie. You can only really aim that at talent that push for GFE for the obvious reason that they're trying to sell you a relationship.
>She made it very obvious she's not GFE
>This statement is contradicted by
>she also worked at Hololive, where its against company rules to be open about the relationship.
Right, i forgot that Botan, Suisei and Korone were HARDCORE GFE because they're in hololive. They totally push for you to pretend to be in a relationship with them. The more you type the more delusional you sound, you gotta be some level of SEA with how schizo you're getting. Calm down and actually think about the garbage you're spewing. Btw, im dating someone, im sorry for lying to you senpai!

>>5931598
Nothing I said should result in such an emotional reaction from you. It doesn't matter if you don't think she was GFE. It doesn't matter if I don't either. What matters is that some men obviously did feel that way because she wasn't truthful from the beginning. You can argue that wasn't entirely her fault and I could agree that's possible, but you're not being reasonable if you're acting like she snipped all parasocial stuff in the bud. She clearly didn't.

>GFE
Hopefully AI will replace the kind of vtuber who is essentially a freemium prostitute that you never actually get to touch let alone bang so the ones who are just regular streamers hiding behind cartoon avatars don't have to be associated with them anymore.

>>5931084
>you have no reasonable or rational way to refute what I'm saying.
your argument equates to being angry at Robert Downey Jr because he doesnt actually have a super armor suit IRL. that what you saw onscreen was a lie and thus immoral
youre either braindead fucking stupid or are so pitiful you need to farm (you)s on one of the slowest boards on a website far past its prime. i sincerely hope its the latter

>>5931606
>marvel analogy
Can I get a food analogy instead? I haven't watched a marvel movie in years.

>>5931609
It's like when you order a chicken chalupa but you get a crunchwrap supreme.

>>5931611
Naruhodo.

>>5931567
Check out Inuyama Tamaki

Maybe Minto and Phoebe will be able to salvage their idol group.

>now *he* cant refute what *I'm* saying and resorts to making a lame joke to save face for people who cant even see it
and that is how you deal with unicorns, bros.

>>5931621
You didn't refute what I said. So making some irrelevant analogy and throwing out an insult doesn't do anything.

>>5931600
Literally anyone can have schizophrenic retards attached to them, it doesnt matter what these schizo retards think or feel because they're schizophrenic retards. These are the type of people that drop something, have a chick pick it up and because the chick touches their hand slightly by accident, they think she's really into him. Its all in their head, nothing they think is reality. (as shown by the garbage you're going on about) These are the type of retards you ignore as much as possible unless they're an obvious threat and when i mean threat i mean a violent one.

>>5931623
>>5931621
Oh my god get a love hotel and fuck already.

>>5931627
So you inherently understand the important of being upfront and explicitly clear with these people before they develop incorrect ideas. You understand the importance of honesty. Coming up with excuses to "ignore them" instead of clearing up their delusions is really easy when they're being extremely generous with their money though.

>>5931632
Vtubers dont need to tell you anything, you dont have a chance with them so whether they're dating someone or not doesnt matter to (you) at all. The only time this matters is if you're a fucking faggot that falls for Rushia tier GFE but at that point, its on you.

>>5931636
>they're not entitled to the truth
What a pathetic excuse. That's all it is. A lame justification to exploit these guys.

>>5931639
Or these "guys" could simply stop donating to women with ulterior motives, you're literally defending simps.

>>5931646
>ulterior motives
You're generalizing. I can't speculate what percentage of men have ulterior motives, but it's definitely not all of them. So it all depends on how maliciously you would define "ulterior motives" to suit your argument. I assume you would define it as anything you don't like because you're a dishonest cunt. You know that if you've ever met guys like this you would admit that they're just pathetic and lonely, but you're acting like they're all rotten goblins that would rape the vtuber if given the chance. Even if it's unethical, the implicit understanding in the culture already exists. Women pretend that they're not in a relationship, and lonely men get to indulge in this illusion. They appreciate being given the opportunity to indulge in this delusion, and they respond with support. That's the transaction. It's not ulterior; it's part of the plan of corpos and greedy indies. They want unicorn money, and the way to get it is already established.

The truth throws a wrench in this engine. The truth from the beginning is what I'm advocating for. Stop the illusions from ever forming. Cut this cancer out of the body. You misunderstood. I'm not defending them. I'm trying to stop them. But you want some sort of fantasy where you both stop them and continue to profit off of them. You can't have both.

>>5931654
>Women pretend that they're not in a relationship, and lonely men get to indulge in this illusion.
This is where your whole argument crumbles, this is where the ulterior motives begin. Unless the woman is outwardly GFE (which a majority of hololive ISNT, they're "idols", not GFE), it is the guy who is pushing his desire to fill the void of a relationship with someone who isnt even selling herself as someone who wants to fill that void. These guys are trying to push their "pathetic and lonely" issues onto people who are VERY LIKELY dating someone IRL. Nobody needs to tell these losers this, it should be implied and understood unless once again, the Vtuber sells GFE as an obvious service. I want you to name a completely 100% verifiable Vtuber that isnt underage that is a pure virgin that doesnt date people she meets, if you cant then i think its safe to assume ALL Vtubers have a chance to be dating someone IRL and if you're upset about that, no matter when you find out, you're a fucking spastic faggot. (and once again, im not talking about situations like Rushia's where it was obviously deserved, before you try to distort what is said for the 10th time)

>>5931666
You laser focus on one thing, misrepresent it, and then go on a tangent. You're not reading what I'm saying. You're not interested in understanding.
>Nobody needs to tell these losers this, it should be implied and understood unless once again
You're suggesting we solve this problem by doing nothing. Doing nothing is why it got this bad. You think all of these pathetic men are going to spontaneously just decide to stop being pathetic. Get real. You're still trying to paint me as a unicorn when it's wrong. I'm being honest with you. There is no implicit understanding with these dudes and you know that. It doesn't matter how much you call it common sense. It rolls off of them like water. The only way to stop this issue is brutal honesty from the beginning. You're trying to come up with excuses for why these girls don't need to take any responsibility despite the fact that they fully understand the consequences of their decisions.

It's not wrong or inaccurate to call what they're doing immoral. They should tell those losers what is common sense, but they choose not to. This is bad. I've said it in other discussions but it bears repeating. This shit is dangerous. It's going to keep escalating until one of these vtubers gets chopped up by one of the psychos they ignored and strung along for the sake of profit. You're entirely focused on pushing the blame on anyone but the girls, but I'm focused on solving the actual problem. The culture needs to change, and the only way it changes is if female vtubers start being extremely honest about their relationships and intentions for relationships at the start of their careers. It's not going to fix itself if you shame these guys. That's just you taking your anger out.

Women simply shouldn't have access to finances or be allowed in public (including online) voila solved the issue

>>5931678
>You laser focus on one thing, misrepresent it, and then go on a tangent. You're not reading what I'm saying. You're not interested in understanding.
No, you've been ignoring what has been said to you almost every time you reply because you dont want to be wrong (when you are)
>You're suggesting we solve this problem by doing nothing. Doing nothing is why it got this bad.
This bad how? Literal nobodies being upset about something that isnt their business? Life will go on and people who arent mentally ill will still be happy at the end of the day. We dont need to announce obvious information because room temp IQ retards cant understand the obvious. Nimi didnt do anything immoral and thinking otherwise is just mental illness. Get over yourself.
>Fag poster has been quiet since this retard has been spewing retardation
kek

>>5931682
>you've been ignoring what has been said to you
I read every word you say. If it's not relevant to what I'm talking about I ignore it. I'm not interested in discussing shit I never mentioned. Obviously.
>This bad how?
The issue is bad enough to get you emotional and transform you into a white knight. Obviously you've got a huge bone to pick. So claims that it's meaningless don't go anywhere.
>Nimi didnt do anything immoral
Yes she did. You haven't changed my mind. Just because what she did is commonplace in this industry doesn't make it right. Just because you hate the guys being preyed upon doesn't make it right. Only dishonest people actively fight against honesty. The only reason this shit bothers you so much is because you want vtubers to continue exploiting these men. Honesty would get in the way of that. I don't know how you can tolerate being such a petty person.

>>5931686
>Just because you hate the guys being preyed upon
Cant get preyed upon if its all in your delusional head
> Only dishonest people actively fight against honesty.
Must be why you're so upset why she was honest.
>You haven't changed my mind.
Because you're a unicorn, this wouldnt upset you otherwise. Any more lies and copes?

>>5931666
>who isnt even selling herself as someone who wants to fill that void
There's no reason to ever watch a channel featuring a woman except that your brain tricks you into thinking she's available and engages your pursuit drive. Give any of these bitches a male avatar and a voice changer, they'd have zero views. Every woman who does this stuff is consciously or unconsciously abusing this pursuit circuit to attract and maintain parasocial male attention, which is why revealing that someone won the chase inevitably ruins the attraction.

>But anon she didn't say that's what she wanted to do!
You don't get to decide how people perceive you. And all of them know what's happening.

>>5931693
>Cant get preyed upon if its all in your delusional head
Antisocial justification for malice.
>Must be why you're so upset why she was honest.
I wasn't one of her viewers. Her announcement had nothing to do with me. What I'm discussing is the prevalence of this particular kind of lie and the effects these lies have on communities. I'm also suggesting that people be honest early. Not much later. Being honest after telling a lie doesn't absolve you of the lie; especially if people have suffered and you have profited as a result of that lie.
>Because you're a unicorn, this wouldnt upset you otherwise
You can't imagine that someone would have an issue with lies and the pain they cause unless they are personally affected. You must be an extremely selfish person or you have a very short memory. I empathize with people, and in this context there are people that are being mistreated. You, for some insane reason, want this mistreatment to continue.

>>5931696
>lie lie lie
No lies were told, this is why you're a unicorn.

>>5931701
Allowing people to believe something that is untrue despite knowing what the truth is and knowing what they believe is a textbook example of lying through omission. This is compounded when there is an incentive to hide the truth. You're trying to play word games but it's not going to gain you any ground.

>>5931694
>which is why revealing that someone won the chase inevitably ruins the attraction.
Pretty interesting then that Nimi kept a majority of her viewers, huh? Guess everything you just said is bullshit and mental illness.
>You don't get to decide how people perceive you
>Allowing people to believe something that is untrue
Its not her job to correct your retardation, Theres loads of faggots that think all Vtubers are men with voice changers, is she lying because she isnt stripping naked on stream?

>>5931705
forgot to add
>>5931705

>>5931709
im tired, i meant to this.
>>5931708
More excuses to actually post webms at least.

>>5931707
You should know better when it comes to this shithole.

>>5931742
Oops that was a fucked encode.

>it's totally fine that my anime waifu girlfriend is also the girlfriend of the other 2,000 people in this twitch chat
>it's an unspeakable outrage that my anime waifu girlfriend is also the girlfriend of one IRL guy
what manner of cuckery is this?

>>5931759
All 2,000 of those guys are me on my alts. Don't be ridiculous. Those 2,000 guys aren't her boyfriend. You know the difference.

>>5931763
>You know the difference.
If *you* knew the difference you wouldn't be this assblasted that she had a real boyfriend.

>>5931765
Everyone clearly knows the difference between viewers of a live stream and a boyfriend. You're the one trying to conflate everything by equating her chat with her IRL boyfriend and suggesting that being fine with her chat means you must be fine with her boyfriend. Stop acting like a fucking retard.

RIP bump limit.
Tapir was just too powerful.

>>5931768
If you know the "girlfriend experience" thing is a sham then why would you care? It's like getting mad that a hooker is fucking other dudes.

>>5931774
>why would you care?
People are being exploited for profit. I'm not one of the guys that got burned by this. You're a sociopath if you don't also have a problem with this. If you don't want to empathize that's fine, but your opinion doesn't matter if you don't give a shit.

>>5931778
>exploited
Not happening.

>>5931779
Just because it's happening industry wide doesn't change what it is. Deliberately misleading men and choosing to hide a truth that you know would be important to them is deceitful. Telling someone a lie in order to encourage them to give you money is conning them. If the truth would have changed their decisions, then these men have been exploited for profit. You're not going to be able to twist words to convince me I'm wrong, you can only twist words to make yourself feel better. I'm not obligated to believe your self delusions.

You guys ever seen the movie Perfect Blue where the super fan starts killing people because his oshi is no longer pure?
That guy is this entire thread, man.

>>5931778
>People are being exploited for profit
Correct but it has nothing to do with her getting married. The exploitation was pretending she was their girlfriend in the first place. She is exactly 0% less likely to ever fuck them now than she was before she ever had an IRL boyfriend.

>>5931782
>Dude! im being heckin exploited by this male streamer by him making me think we're friends by being friendly! I donated and everything to support him but he said his only friends were someone else and not me! I cant believe he was such a morally corrupt person!
This is you.

>>5931786
Not me. As I mentioned before the problem I'm describing will probably lead to something like that eventually.
>>5931787
>Correct
I know. It's immoral. I also mentioned that the details of the lie matter less than the lie itself. None of you read the shit I say. You just see something longer than 5 lines and you short circuit.
>>5931789
You sure beat the shit out of that strawman.

>>5931791
>lie
Nobody lied about anything.

>>5931791
>None of you read the shit I say.
No fucking shit I didn't read the fucking book you wrote in this thread. The second I realized why these psychos were flipping out I started regretting having anything remotely tangentially to do with this scene. Tbh losers who delude themselves into thinking an anime girl on the internet who won't even acknowledge their existence unless they give her $20 is their girlfriend *deserve* to be exploited.

>>5931795
Putting your fingers in your ears isn't a sufficient argument. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and explained what a lie through omission is. You don't have an excuse.
>>5931797
>No fucking shit I didn't read
Then shut the fuck up. You're an illiterate mongrel opining about shit you know nothing about while promoting the mistreatment of people. I can't even make you understand with a hypothetical because people like you can't comprehend them.

>>5931801
Take the thousands you've pissed away on donos and use them to pay for a psychiatrist.

>>5931801
>Putting your fingers in your ears isn't a sufficient argument.
You mean what you've done the whole time? All you do is move goalposts and cope. Post some webms at least. (though its obvious you'd just be fag posting)

>>5931804
I've never given a rusty penny to a vtuber or a streamer in my life. You can make as many assumptions about me as you want to justify dismissing what I'm saying, but none of that will make it true and none of that will make me wrong.
>>5931805
Feel free to explain why Nimi did not lie through omission if you truly believe she didn't lie. You've been saying there is no lie. Show me that you understand what a lie is and what a lie isn't.

>>5931808
>I've never given a rusty penny to a vtuber or a streamer in my life.
Then please pass my advice along to all the degenerate failures you've inexplicably decided to waste hours furiously whiteknighting for.

>>5931810
Are you stupid. Do you think I would be advising men I know to become simps? This is why you need to read before you post, dipshit. You don't even know what my position on anything is but you're disagree with me because too many words intimidate you. Fuck off.

>>5931808
Prove where she does GFE, she has openly stated to her fans (as fauna) that they are not her friends and she doesnt look at them that way. If you cant understand from that much that she's not GFE, then you should be lobotomized. She didnt lie, she's not exploiting anyone and you're a fag.

>>5931812
Then summarize your position in under 10k words and maybe I'll pretend to care, because the only problem I see in any of this is that she damaged her earning potential before the simps could be milked completely dry.

>>5931814
>>5931810
What horrors, look at that GFE! She's lying to her audience! Look at all that exploitation!

>>5931814
>Prove where she does GFE
First of all demanding shit like this is asinine. You can simply interpret anything I provide you subjectively and insist that it's not GFE according to your standards and therefore it doesn't count. How YOU interpret it is irrelevant. How the men I'm talking about interpret it is the only thing that's relevant. You can only make an argument that their behavior is not rational, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, but that doesn't change the fact that their interpretation and subsequent behavior is both predictable and expected by vtubers and vtuber organizations.
Secondly
>she has openly stated to her fans (as fauna) that they are not her friends and she doesnt look at them that way.
This happened much later in her career and it is certainly not the same as stating that she is in a relationship. Most people interpreted that as her having an emotional moment which is not exactly rare. She later brought up that she expressed herself poorly.
You're still accusing me for being misled. I was not one of her supporters.

Fact 1: She knew she was in a relationship.
Fact 2: That relationship was not sudden. She's been in this relationship for some time.
Fact 3: She knows that her relationship status is an important thing for at least some of her viewers. This was confirmed in her announcement of her engagement. Acknowledging that some people will be hurt is an admission that she knows what they expected from her.
Conclusion: She chose to hide the information she knew was important to her viewers because she didn't want to deal with the consequences of being truthful.

This is a lie through omission.

It's obvious to anyone why she would hide this information for so long. She was accepting financial support from these men she knew were being misled. She knew that being truthful would negatively impact her finances and in a way her career. This is backed up by the fact that she waited until she could no longer reasonably keep up the lie.

>>5931826
>desperate losers are stupid and pathetic
>this is her fault
no

>>5931828
>children are naive and inexperienced
>mentally handicapped people are trusting and gullible
>the elderly are easily tricked and scammed
>so it's perfectly moral and ethical for me to trick them and take everything of value they have
Your rationale is disgraceful. Your failures of parents neglected to teach you the difference between right and wrong.

>>5931826
>How the men I'm talking about interpret it is the only thing that's relevant
Its not relevant and its funny how you think you can speak for people so heavily while somehow not being "one of them" but anyways, fauna is NOT actively trying to garner an audience that see's her as a girlfriend replacement. It doesnt matter how these people feel, this is what she's doing, she has outright stated this as a fact with >>5931824 and even so, she doesnt need to, GFE is really easy to point to, Shondo does it, Rushia did it, Okayu does it and so on, Fauna was simply a female streamer. She didnt try to push people into a weird sense of parasocial behavior, she just streamed. So anything that comes from the mentally ill men you seem to want to defend does not matter and in turn, the "lie" you want to bring up doesnt matter either. Its not their business, they dont deserve to know about something like that when she's not comfortable (or even legally allowed when in hololive) to talk about it.

>>5931830
If simps are on the same level as those groups the only rational solution would be to outlaw vtubing.

>>5931833
>Its not relevant
We're talking about her lies. Bringing up the people she lied to is relevant.
>its funny how you think you can speak for people
If I'm misrepresenting them they're more than welcome to correct me.
>fauna is NOT actively trying to garner an audience that see's her as a girlfriend replacement.
Certainly not anymore.
>It doesnt matter how these people feel
You're still acting like you are the one that gets to decide how people see the world. Your arrogance is astonishing.
>GFE is really easy to point to
Your idea of what GFE is doesn't apply to everyone. Again with your endless arrogance.
>She didnt try to push people into a weird sense of parasocial behavior
You're not listening. The so called purity of her intentions evaporate when she understood what people wanted and expected and still decided to hide the truth she knew would have reduced her financial support if revealed.

You're on this crusade to absolve this woman of a minor accusation. Constantly trying to insist that she never possessed ANY kind of responsibility or accountability for anything even though she had complete knowledge and was in control the entire time. You can argue that Hololive handcuffed her at the beginning, but insisting her intentions were still good after she re-debuted and didn't mention her relationship until after a huge merch push is too much to believe. And you cap it off with a classic "they didn't deserve to know the truth".

In 2025 saying something as benign as "a vtuber should be honest with her audience" is unexpectedly a hot take on 4chan. Un-fucking-real. The amount of maliciously dishonest reddit shit I've watched unfold in this thread by you and others throughout the day is repulsive.

I sincerely hope that one day you get to live in a society filled with only people that believe the same things you do. And I hope you're never allowed to leave.

This thread needs more fat bitches jiggling their belly rolls

>>5931839
>Your idea of what GFE is doesn't apply to everyone
Once again, this doesnt matter. If she is not an obvious GFE streamer, its not her fault if retards cant control themselves when dealing with their own parasocial issues and streamers. As i've already pointed out before, you can get the same issue with male streamers and dumbasses thinking they're friends but im sure you dont care about that, do you? If anyone is on a crusade btw, its you. You write walls of text all while not posting a single webm to add to the thread. Its obvious you're mad that Fauna has a husband, you claim its because you want honesty but that was a goalpost move from your earlier bitching about how its better if she didnt say anything about it at all. You're not some hero for the mentally challenged, you're just one of them, you and all those like you should be locked up in insane asylums so no real human has to ever interact with such human filth ever again. Last thing, lurk more as to not out yourself so hard on how much of a newfag you are.

>>5931850
>its not her fault
Lying was her choice. I've been pounding this into your skull for hours and you still deny it like a petulant child with a skinned knee.
>you can get the same issue with male streamers and dumbasses thinking they're friends
Yeah. That's a stupid situation too that can be easily remedied by streamers being honest.
>You write walls of text all while not posting a single webm to add to the thread.
I'm not here to entertain you. I said my piece, and you bitches got your panties twisted up because I brought up something that makes you feel ashamed.
>from your earlier bitching about how its better if she didnt say anything about it at all.
Resorting to making shit up. You know full well I never even implied anything like this.
>you're just one of them
>how much of a newfag you are.
Pass up top. Coming up with excuses to dismiss what I'm saying doesn't make me wrong. It just demonstrates that you don't have an argument that can prove me wrong or convince anyone I'm wrong.

Everything I said is right and true. None of your bleating can make her actions moral. You idolize a woman that rationalizes her behavior like this. >>5931828 >>5931830
Embarrassing.

>>5931840
Mint Casteller's old 3D model looks so quaint compared to her current one

>>5931854
>lying
never happened
>being honest
You dont even know what honesty means, especially since you dont know what lying is
>not here to entertain you
You're just here to shit up the thread by crying that your oshi is getting married
>making shit up
re-read your own walls of text, faggot
>pass on top
>he pays for 4chan
lol lmao
Everything you've said is emotion driven and delusional, seek help or kill yourself, whatever is cheaper.

>>5931859
She'll never let you suck her husbands cum out of her pussy no matter how much you defend her from the evil 4channer. Your job is to pay her and stay far away.

>>5931860
Im not the one butthurt she's married, bud.

>visit this thread to see what anons said about vhoejo's death
>it's all nimi cuckshit
wow just like numbers

>>5931859
>never happened
I proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that she was, and you're still bent out of shape that you couldn't refute it no matter how much time passed.
>You dont even know what honesty means
I lost count how many times I needed to explain to you what a lie through omission is and you still don't get it.
>You're just here to shit up the thread
I said my piece when prompted. I replied when replied to. This isn't your personal imageboard filled with only things you want to see. I shouldn't have to explain this place to you.
>re-read your own walls of text, faggot
Your illiterate misinterpretations of things I said aren't included in my posts.
>Everything you've said is emotion driven
I've barely expressed any emotions at all save frustration at trying to communicate with people that aren't interested in listening. I explained her actions objectively piece by piece in order to support my points. All of it was rational, reasonable, and logical.

Meanwhile you've never been able to explain why the mere idea that a vtuber was deceptive for the sake of money caused you to lose your shit an defend her for an entire day. No matter how I look at it, all of the accusations you're trying to levy at me look more appropriate on you. Why would calling a vtuber immoral cause you to burn your entire day if it wasn't eating you alive?

Follow your own advice.

>>5931870
>All of it was rational, reasonable, and logical.
>moving a goalpost the whole time
>making up delusions every which way
>calling others illiterate while not being able to read anything what so ever
once again
lol
lmao
Once you're not having an episode, reread this thread in the archives, see how much of a schizo you are.

Why do unicorns even watch vtubers if they're inevitably going to cry and shit their pants when she gets a partner?

>>5931874
>All of it was rational, reasonable, and logical.
Yes. Without a single doubt. You can see every part of my thought process to reach my conclusions. I laid them all out very clearly, albeit in different posts.
>moving a goalpost the whole time
Constantly wrangling you to stay on topic when you're desperately trying to push this conversation into the mud is not moving the goalposts. I never once contradicted myself or took back anything I said.
>making up delusions every which way
You don't understand some of the things I say, but you never ask for clarification because you're not interested in understanding. You just look for excuses to dismiss what I said, and when you can't find any you make them up.
>calling others illiterate while not being able to read anything what so ever
I read every word people write to me. I usually ignore stuff that's too irrelevant to points I made or things I said. I'm not obligated to go on wild goose chases you conjure up.

Nimi behaved in an immoral way. She perpetuated a misunderstanding she orchestrated and curated in order to extract more money from desperate men. She understood that they would have withheld their financial support from her if she were truthful with them. She chose to remain untruthful until her community reached a sufficient size and she recognized that she would no longer be able to reasonably keep up the lie. I've said it before. She's not the only vtuber that does this.

My claim is that it's wrong to do this. This part of the vtuber culture is cancer. The entire vtuber experiment can grow beyond this. Every vtuber can be honest with their relationships from the beginning now. If you have a problem with these things I'm saying, ask yourself why you have a problem with them.

Shut the fuck up and kiss already you homosexuals. The tension is unbearable.

>>5931888
I'm not gay. I'm racist.

>bump limit in 4 days and 17 hours
Huh, wonder why?...

Never. NEVER engage schizo antis.
God, that brief moment 4chan died and we saw all these niggers spamming and samefagging offsite was incredible.

>>5931889
you and Mario don't have too much in common then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YimC1ycCpyw

>>5931895
Kiki warned them but they did not listen. >>5928635

>>5931084
>This is what you respond with because you have no reasonable or rational way to refute what I'm saying.
>>5931170
>If it was someone else, your argument might have legs.
>>5931242
>Stretched examples of exceptions don't mean that it's likely the vtuber you like will be an exception.
>>5931314
>I've given you perfect and higher class examples than you've given us.
>>5931323
>You're trying to distort this situation to suit your conclusion because you don't have relevant examples.

>>5931938
i kneel

>>5931938
my sides

she's genuinely obsessed with her

>>5931869
There was some pretty good vshojo discussion. But you know how it goes.

For those who don't want to sift through the thread for vshojo it's from >>5929120 to >>5931104
and bonus >>5931576 >>5931619

>>5932000
There's this too >>5929767
Just as an FYI, there's a LOT more content out there that didn't get into webbums ITT Some things off the top of my head
>Shylily had a stream where she went in depth over the terrible contract she was offered at VShojo and how bad the negotiation process was.
>Geega has done a couple streams talking about it
>Nyanners did a stream talking about it
Probably a few other meaty videos out there I'm forgetting about

>>5931882
>Nimi behaved in an immoral way.
TLDR, didnt happen, cope harder, kill yourself.

>>5932138
You're down bad in a way I've never seen before. What she did must have burned you like you've never felt before.

>>5932139
What does that even mean? Im not upset at her for doing literally nothing wrong. This is like raging that a coworker you liked ended up getting married and you didnt know she was dating someone, its not your business.

>>5932143
>Im not upset
Could have fooled me.

>>5932144
Well you have obvious mental issues so thats not a surprise.

>>5932145
Are you going to say you were only pretending to be retarded next?

>>5932148
I'd hope you'd say that unironically for your sake.

>>5932152
You're not very good at ragebaiting. I got plenty of opportunities to express all of the things I wanted to express about the situation. I'm satisfied that I was able to formulate my opinions and solidify them. In hindsight my only regret is that the discussion didn't belong on /wsg/.

>>5932156
>In hindsight my only regret is that the discussion didn't belong on /wsg/.
No shit, maybe you should post webms rather than sperging out about how your oshi married someone.

>>5932159
>your oshi
I wasn't one of her viewers.
>maybe you should post webms
I usually do, but I'm not going to associate the vtubers I like to post with these kinds of opinions because that would just invite people to respond as though I'm implying the vtuber I'm posting is the target of my negativity. Is that understandable?

>>5932163
>I wasn't one of her viewers.
No one believes that after the walls of text you spammed into the thread
>I usually do, but I'm not going to associate the vtubers I like to post with these kinds of opinions
Is that why theres a noticeable lack of that one gay fuck that gets spammed? Not surprised.

>>5932164
>No one believes that
Doesn't matter if they do. I don't post for approval. What Nimi did just highlighted how I already felt, which is why I mentioned several times that Nimi is not the only one who does this. She wasn't the first, nor will she be the last.
>Is that why theres a noticeable lack of that one gay fuck that gets spammed?
I just MD5 that shit now. I fought against it for a long time but too many of you got complacent and just accepted it. You let /gvfy/ die.

>>5932166
>I don't post for approval
Sure doesnt seem that way with how hard you tried to push your made up nonsense.
>You let /gvfy/ die.
Whatever you say, gay poster.

>>5932168
If I give you the last word will you resist the compulsion to shit up the thread? You pretended to care about the sanctity of this thread several times after all.

>>5932166
holy fuck, the extremely cringe retard who wants us to worship whales and schizo obsessive fans is also the retard who spams threads complaining about shit he doesn't like instead of moving on and posting webbums.

>>5932170
ror
ramao
>>5932171
this

>>5932171
>wants us to worship whales and schizo obsessive fans
I advocated for the removal of schizo obsessive fans.

>>5932166
>I fought against it for a long time but too many of you got complacent and just accepted it.
There's a /gvy/ thread on /gif/. You can go migrate there if you'd like and live the rest of your days among blacked porn and trannies. Pretty sure you'd enjoy it, actually.

>>5932051
I watched some of Geega's videos but I'm not sure what to clip from them. If anyone has some maybe lesser known details of preferably primary sources I can give 'em a quick scrub and clip.

>>5932171
The retard who keeps engaging with him but posting irrelevant webms is no better. It just shits up the thread and makes it even harder to skip past his dialogue.

>>5932204
>noooooooo dont post vtubers in the vtuber thread!

>>5932233
> zero self awareness
checks out

>>5932238
>is a retard
checks out.

I'm not into vtuber thing but can somebody explain why this chibidoki creature seems to always look positively retarded?
does she even have a normal look?

>>5932312
She's a parody Vtuber, not a real one.

>>5931575
Ok I'm interested.
Where can I watch her livestreams? I'm not having much luck finding a link from her Youtube or Twitter.

>>5932316
>I'm not having much luck finding a link from her Youtube
She streams on youtube but its occasional, she goes back and forth between focusing on singing and streaming.

>>5932312
>why this chibidoki creature seems to always look positively retarded?
Because she is

>>5932312
In contrast with normal vtubers she actively and aggressively discourages parasocial creeps and part of that is using a gremlin model that's harder to sexualize even though she's said she liked some of her other ones more.

>>5932325
All women on the internet are, by definition, gfe. At least according to /gfvy/ anon.

>>5932329
Couldn't resist?

>>5932329
Kek

>>5932166
> /gfvy/
this guy does a scooby doo mask pull on himself. fucking kek, the one motherfucker that's known to shit up the thread every time. that's too rich.

>>5932343
I'm not sure if endorsing spiteful spam & faggotry is going to impress anyone.

>>5932325
wouldn't just sayings you're in a real life relationship(even if it's a lie) kill the draw for the parasocial creeps?
my impression of idol culture has been that fans would rather have an idol die or be a criminal, than have it come out/be confirmed they are in a relationship.

>>5932350
yes however
$$$$$

>>5932350
Shitting on the creeps when they pop up seems easier than inventing an entire fake persona and life for yourself.

>>5932354
>inventing an entire fake persona and life for yourself.
You mean what they currently do to hide their relationships? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

>>5932342
It's the thought that counts but she's got the cause and effect reversed. People aren't missing out on girlfriends because they're watching vtubers. People watch vtubers because they missed out on girlfriends.

>>5932166
I, Mr. Nonymous, in agreement with the Council of OPs, chibidokiposter, violinposter, Kiki, etc. etc. hereby dub thee Sir /gfvy/ (pronounced Goofy), lolcow of /gvy/
and grant all the rights and privileges therein.

>>5932370
>>5932345

>>5932371
Look at him, he can't not reply to people who give him (you)s. He's literally incapable.

>>5932391
Do you think I'm ashamed of posting or something? Are you?

So weird to only occasionally stop by these threads, yet somehow they're always burning down because of the same garbage. Same thumbnails, same posts same arguments.
It's like being stuck in a time loop.

>>5931895
>that brief moment 4chan died and we saw all these niggers spamming and samefagging offsite was incredible
I saved a bunch of those threads. Everyone already knew it, but the feeling of vindication by finally having proof was indescribable.

Nice thread, but needs more webbums. Maybe Goofy anon will chill out next thread.

>>5931236
What about the other sister?

>>5932844
Rio is officially still single but nips are joking that she will surprise everyone and reveal being married and having multiple kids out of the blue.

>>5932412
here's something new I found a while ago