This isnt a prison planet. It's a training planet.

Yes, but there are systems in place that have turned it into a prison planet. Ultimately, they're just systems, they can be overcome through spirit.

>>40509725 (OP)
Neither. It's an indulgence.

Good news, I passed.
Book of Revelation is started.
Tonight Seal 2 was broken.
Watch the moon for Black, then Pale, then eventually, blood red

>>40509734
Or, more accurately, there are ASPECTS of the prison planet concept in place due to man-made and extraterrestrial systems, but you shouldn't let that define your reality and experience on Earth because these systems require that you entertain and feed them, implying you must be complicit in your own bondage.

>>40509734
>>40509781
See it as a obstacle course

>>40509725 (OP)
How do you think berserk will end on this planet? (The story line)

>>40509764
Buddy sorry to break it to you but every day I masturbate your prophecy is delayed another day. I will not let this planet down

>>40509725 (OP)
I always thought it was funny that the end point of Christianity is the pure people getting merged with God
Why does God need a purification ritual and why does he want us to merge with him?

>>40510154
We are meant to be objective infinity experiencing existence through subjective finitude

not for much longer

>>40509725 (OP)
I don't feel like aborted/miscarried neonates learn a whole lot from this

>>40509809
That works too. You could also see it as a video game, that's always fun.

>>40509725 (OP)
I think what you're actually trying to say is
>it doesn't have to be a prison planet
bc it doesn't have to be
but it so fucking is

>>40510280
Sure. But an old arcade game, not anything with a meaningful message or anything to learn. A pointless set of rules to give meaningless tension whose only purpose is to satisfy the whim of trying it, and which gives nothing but "I tried it" as a result.
An indulgence.

>>40509734
when i search images of the vril i dont see them come up anymore.

>>40510276
You need to focus on your own journey
If you can help others then great

Here is a question: do you true care about the dead babies or using them as a rhetorical device to push your worldview? If you truly care, then show it by loving those in suffering. Do that and you'll see God.

>>40509725 (OP)
Perhaps, but the vast majority of us are doomed to remain here.

>>40509764
Making the stone is only the first step... The real trouble starts after, on the other side.

You're not orthodox. You're a schismatic faggot.

>>40510154

The fact that Xtianity is a literal Death cult really just means that Death is the true God.

Changeless, sexless, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, true.

While Death is THE truth, there is no reason we who are living this moment should not celebrate what it means to be able to move and know. We are not committing 'sin' merely because we live, laugh and lust.

Best wishes to all!

>>40510329
B-basedo...

>>40509725 (OP)
The training is working. I'm learning more all the time that OP is a fag.

>>40510329
>this fact disproves my point so you shouldn't focus on it.
So prison planet, got it.

>>40509725 (OP)
Training for what? War?

>>40510991
What fact disproves what now?

>>40510737
>death cult
Brother Christianity is literally about attaining eternal life

>>40511554
Not that complex.
>op makes claim this is a training planet
>anon points out that there are people born into this world where training is impossible for them. Which contradicts op claim.
>instead of addressing the point he tells you to ignore it.
Can't make it any more simple than that.

>>40511569
>attaining eternal life

Not interested. Things are well. Even still.

>>40510737
>The fact that Xtianity is a literal Death cult really just means that Death is the true God.
Christians don't believe in death.

>>40512682
your call to reject the free gift of God

>>40509725 (OP)
>Either THIS; OR THAT
It is BOTH,
bro

>>40510542
why can’t we escape?

>>40509725 (OP)
All this time I thought it was a ladder.

>>40513863
External factors

>>40512408
It's a training planet for you. Not those people. It's also a prison planet for NPCs. Perception are the gates between objectivity and subjectivity. Once again, do you care about the dead babies are are you using them as a rhetorical device?

It's a sort of Soul Vacation where you get a chance to see what it's like to not be so aware or capable, for just a couple examples. You're supposed to follow your whole life path thing; many traditions speak to this clearly, identifying it as a calling of sorts. It's more like a role or disposition though.

>>40509781
That's not quite it either. There are boundaries in place to correct arising problems and these boundaries help us identify what works or doesn't. You're more or less free to wiggle within your box and you're even permitted for the most part to sneak outside of it so long as you don't break or steal anything that's supposed to be "yours".
If you want, you can find ways to reach around the boundaries to get some insights from outside the box. Those assistants even seem very eager to help most of the time.
>>40509809
A soul-body union obstacle course, yeah. It's sort of like if you were playing with a remote control car on a race track you made and you take it for a spin, guiding it over the jumps and through the dips.
>>40510280
Exactly. I've explained it before like a video game where you got powerful enough that the loops got too monotonous; you're overskilled, the enemies are either damage sponges or you kill them too easily, you have too many skill points to use after filling up all the trees and you got all the skins. The idea is to (temporarily) trade access to all the shit you've collected for a prima facie experience of getting your ass kicked a bunch again.
I know it seems paradoxical. You've crawled up this carnal mountain over and over again just to give it all up and jump right back in the humility-amnesia booth for another go. It seems perplexing, right? Well the good news is you chose to do it like this and eagerly. You just don't remember. Not yet.

>>40514106
Im not the one who made the post about the dead babies but yes, i do care about that fact babies die in this world. It is concerning that you do not but then again perhaps i shouldnt be surprised that someone who sees the horrors that are inflicted upon mankind and thinks its good.

“We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The Predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! "This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico ... They took us over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them." "No, no, no, no," [Carlos replies] "This is absurd don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone." "Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you? "

>>40509725 (OP)
Then I shall pass and be trained with the essence of our Savior, Jesus Christ, and become the best of the best for My Holy Spirit, and The Good Lord above.
Godspeed to you all undergoing the Divine Training, or whatever Divine Tests the universe imposes upon you, WAGMI.

>>40510329
>do you true care about the dead babies or using them as a rhetorical device to push your worldview? If you truly care, then show it by loving those in suffering. Do that and you'll see God.

Can you also do it by saving babies before they're killed? Or is that intended as an action-terminating cliche to allow for the propagation of evil?

>>40510737
>The fact that Xtianity is a literal Death cult really just means that Death is the true God.

The central defining characteristic of Christianity is belief in the irreversible, absolute, and ultimate defeat of death, and the attainment of eternal life in a universe resurrected and perfected by God's spirit.

>>40514152
I think people say we "chose" this because they think it's empowering. I happen to believe the exact opposite. We are not the same as the god of this world, and didn't consciously agree to be here.

>>40513751
a gift someone doesn't want is a curse

>>40514200
>It is concerning that you do not
Notice how I asked the question yet you make an assumption? I won't be reading the rest of your bad faith post. I hope you at least found typing it to be therapeutic in some way

>>40514657
>Can you also do it by saving babies before they're killed?
Of course

>>40509725 (OP)
It's a teaching hospital where lunatics have taken over the asylum.

>>40514693
I think if you actually studied the Proto-Gnostics, you'd find their insights really interesting. It wasn't long before the Yaldaboath wasn't such a bad guy anymore, which isn't a big deal to say anymore.
>we "chose" this
With a narrow understanding, I can see how that makes sense. Don't be insulted though, anon. It's part of the fun.

>>40509725 (OP)
What's it training us to do? To see kindness as weakness to be exploited? That physical beauty is more important than inward beauty? To withhold mercy because resources are limited? To look out for number one?
Using the word "training" instead of "lesson" doesn't change anything. This place is self evidently a prison, not a school. Unless it is a school for delinquants learning how to be criminals.

>>40514818
It sounds like you're starting to see truth but drowning in it instead of overcoming

>>40514824
I know your truth Mr. Left hand path, and no thank you.

>>40514756
No assumption was needed.
You literally called dead babies "those people" and "npcs" in this post:>>40514106
And when other anon brought up that point you told him not to focus on it implying he shouldn't care:
>>40510276
>>40510329
You made your views quite clear on the matter.

>I won't be reading the rest of your bad faith post. I hope you at least found typing it to be therapeutic in some way
The only person posting in bad faith here is you. You still have failed to address the other anon point and failed to address mine. Instead you told him to not focus on it and ignore it just like you have ignored the rest of my post.

>>40514834
I'm Christian bro
Which I'm sure is just as bad huh
Well it'll help to pick a side rather than be miserable

>>40514846
I didn't call them npcs. You also keep typing a lot of nonsense that I'm not going to read. You love your own voice so much that you drown out what the other party is saying. Even when I say I do care, it isn't enough for you.

>>40514847
Pick the Demiurge or his controlled opposition Angel?
I don't think so.

>>40514855
Why do you grant so much credibility to texts that were written hundreds of years after the new testament documents?

>>40514863
Because IF this reality has a creator, it is obviously a cruel hateful thing.

>>40514869
Are you sure thats the only option
Do you think it's possible that your suffering (and I do mean you in particular) has meaning

>>40514872
What meaning could it possibly have?

>>40514850
You never said you cared for them and you still haven't and if you have please point to the post in which you did.
You claim that I drown out the other party when i have read and addressed every point you made while you refused listen to others.
You are a hypocrite and deceiver.

>>40514885
>>40510329
>If you truly care, then show it by loving those in suffering. Do that and you'll see God.
I'll be disengaging now, you're free to have the last word

>>40514880
Your personal suffering? How could i know? All I can tell you is, meaning is a real thing that exists. If it didn't, then "cruel and hateful" would just be scribbled lines that don't matter. But you, and your suffering, matter.
And God is the only one that can ascribe true meaning to a thing.

>>40514919
Fuck off Kierkegaard.

>>40514949
>>40514919
For starters, Kierkegaard is supremely based (for the most part). Next, Suffering and its analogues (see Mortification) are what supposedly generate "powers".
Do a thought switch in your brain, anon. Make it a benefit that you learned some lesson in your suffering. Make them contribute to your betterment in trying to debase you, if you want a sort of trick to use.

>>40514919
>>40514974
We can play games all day, but if reality is the work of some intelligence, it isn't one I am going to worship, much less beg forgiveness from because this is somehow my fault and I am going to be punished if I don't.

>>40515020
Great so what if you stopped sitting there in this dumb ass thought prison and let your definitions be different? Just let go, anon. It seems you're trying to cling to a perspective that doesn't work for you, a dynamic that's not fitting. Try a new one. Gain a different perspective, one that jives better with what you have going on, what you notice and what you desire. No one can decide this for you, no one will help you do this and some will likely try to get you to stay in your comfortable little box. Appease them at your own peril.

>>40515020
I'm not saying your suffering is your fault. I'm giving you a means of deliverance from it. If you could see the big picture and the ends that your suffering could potentially lead to, perhaps you'd feel a load off your shoulders

Do you know right before the pentecostal preacher/raunchy comedian Sam kinison died unexpectedly from injuries sustained in a car crash, he looked up at the sky while on the ground and said out loud "but why? Oh ok... Ok..." And then died? Don't you want to know what he heard?

>>40514676
>defeat of death

Literal suspension of actual reality, friend. Which is what that whole schemeamyd thrives on. Then again, I really doubt that anyone who wants to live forever has lived very long in the first place. Kurzweil comes to mind. Last I heard he still pitches his brand of bull shit even at the ripe old age of...what is he now? 90? Anyway.

My Dad is dying. So am I, but he is much closer to it than I am. Affliction from lifestyle choices. Anyway I don't like it of course. What can I do? I can't live his life, I can't extend his. So damn. My cousin died this year, a past ladyfriend I hadn't seen in years did too, so did her sister. She was younger than I am now. He sister was as well I think. Close to my age anyway.

I think about this shit daily. I'm pushing half a century. Never wanted to get this old but things are ok. Aside from being unable to see some people and spend time with those who I could see in the past, same as it ever was. But my time will come. Sometimes I'm impatient for what happens at the true end of me. Other times not so much. But I'll stop before I write a novel about it.

Why do I continue visiting this place even after almost 20 years? The people. You, each and all here. It is a good time when I choose to return willfully and not habitually and when I see the gifts that you all share when you can. Best fuckin' wishes to ye all, all. Coffee time, manchildren. Call Sabrina. <3

>>40515049
Definitions? Sure I will just stop defining the mass suffering of the world as a bad thing. Praise Jesus!!!!!!!!!!! Hallelujah!!!! God is so good!!!!!! Can I get an amen!!!!!!!

>>40509725 (OP)
It is a prison planet, but we are the jailers. This is the density that we naturally form to by the energy of Mother Earth. Our Ancestors are us and we are them. It is our destiny to manifest into warrior-philosypher kings and gods in order to protect her and contain the evil trapped here with us. That great evil wants you to be demoralized and attempt to flee so it can achieve a fraction of its power to rule over the ashes, rather than attain your rightful god-hood in this realm. Be more than what you are by speaking with your Ancestors and becoming as one with them so we can be the laughter in the woods once more. The aurora of bifrost is our strength, the heartbeat of the mother our song, the density around us our lifeblood. This world is ours.

>>40515062
Unless you can tell me yourself you just seem like a snake oil salesman.

>>40515090
Your suffering is personal to you anon. How can I be a snake oil salesman if I'm not getting anything from you? I'm giving you my time, which is all we really have (and you're giving me yours tbf)
All I can tell you with certainty is that the meaning is there. Just look for it and ask God to reveal it. If he doesn't then I'm wrong. But you owe it to yourself to try

>>40515062
The world is fallen due to mankind's sinful nature according to Christianity and deserves to be punished eternally in the lake of fire.

>>40515113
The word translated as eternal in the new testament is aionion and it means "an indefinitely long period of time". It's where we get the word aion from which means the same thing. Hell is a restorative state, as all things will be brought to restoration

>>40515132
If anyone has ever read Revelation it is obvious the Lake of Fire is meant to be a terrifying thing that we should avoid at all costs. It's not scary if it is just a temporary purification.

>>40514705
a curse is also a blessing

>>40514895
>Still is unable to say that he cares and points to something unrelated
accept your concession

>>40515146
>It's not scary if it is just a temporary purification.
Oh yes it is. It's an other dimensional scary beyond all comprehension that makes Lovecraft look like a build a bear shop.
If people read my words as "we'll get restored anyway so it doesn't matter and isn't scary" then that's their choice

>>40515077
That's obviously not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying let go of the world you thought you knew for the betterment of your station inside of the situations you put yourself in. You want to defend the position that you should be content with this bitterness. I don't think you should. I think you should find a way out. If you put in the effort, it's achievable. If you just sit there and wallow though, you're only going to court more misery.

>>40515157
You were right that I should have referred to them as "those people". I was typing in a rush. But that's no excuse.

>>40515188
Shouldn't* have

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>>40515182
>I think you should find a way out.
On it anon, but I am not settling for anything less than a literal way out.

>>40515199
Then check out >>40505055 and muse with us.

>>40515168
So God is unable to heal people without torturing them? Interesting.

>>40515228
I will check it out.

>>40514761
Unadopted hands typed that post

>>40515229
He's unwilling to heal people without their consent
Hell isn't awful because God is torturing you, it's awful because it's separated from God (which is what you appear to want)

>>40509725 (OP)
Probably collect us from some galactic war, rip our souls from the body, and dump us here mind wiped to "learn" how to use a human body- next life were used as slaves or soldiers...?

>>40515274
Anon we are talking about a literal lake of fire. But if the lake of fire is simply a metaphor for separation I will just say I don't want to be separated. Or does God only accept me if I worship him in this life?

>>40515296
It's not literal, it's symbolic, as fire in a refinery
God accepts you if you want union with him, with him being the ultimate source of truth objective goodness. The only reason to refuse is because you prefer your personal subjective goodness (which may in fact be evil)

The assertion that God is a being of pure love, while simultaneously allowing the existence of extreme suffering, is never going to be reconcilable until we admit that free will is something God cannot control. People like to harp on the whole "but he's God, he can do anything", but if God can do anything, then he can also "not do" anything. If you say that the existence of free will contradicts God, then you are ironically placing a limitation upon God by saying there's something he cannot do.

>>40515309
So here is what I am going to do anon. I am going to try and and escape what I sincerely believe to be an evil reality controlled by evil forces (who I believe you to be in thralled too). If when I die all is revealed and I see that I was sorely mistaken and it was all part of God's plan after all, I will join him in blissful union for an indefinite amount of time. See you then!

>>40515347
>I am going to try and and escape what I sincerely believe to be an evil reality controlled by evil forces
By what means do you objectively define good and evil, and by what means do you mean to escape

>>40509725 (OP)
Hello.
Welcome to the party.

Blue Eisenhower November

You sound like a BEN MEN.

>>40515355
If you don't have the ability to discern evil and that this world qualifies, there is nothing to be done for you.

>>40515390
Not only do I think have the ability to discern evil, I think I can do so to a greater degree than you. I think your emotional immaturity colors your perspective of good and evil, no offense.

>>40515398
So you admit evil exists? That's a start.

>>40515403
Never denied it
In fact, Adam and Eve discovered good through evil

>>40515406
And yet if I answer this question >>40515355 in any way, you would essentially deny evil.

>>40515413
No I wouldn't. I'd potentially disagree with your concept of evil.

>>40515422
Very well I define evil as all suffering.

>>40515429
Is suffering through administration of justice evil? As in, a thief being forced to sit in a cell for a year?
Aside from these details, how do you plan on, as you said, escaping

>>40515437
Yes it is. I don't buy your story of original sin which I said earlier >>40515020
Humanity doesn't deserve this. It isn't our fault which you initially agreed with me on >>40515062

>>40515463
So how do you plan on escaping

>>40515467
Like I said, I believe you to be a servant of the very forces trapping us, so I am not going to tell you.

>>40515474
What will happen if you tell me

>>40509725 (OP)
Oh, yeah? Well we're not being schooled in here with you, YOUR BEING SCHOOLED TO TEACHING US!

>>40515490
The aforementioned forces would know my plans. It's possible they do anyway but no reason to risk it.

>>40515500
I think you're cute anon

>>40515507
Okay???

>>40515516
Have a good evening ok

>>40515519
Alright

AND? If you get it, then let's come together, for the Kingdom is at hand...

>>40515522
Come to /ceg/ some day if you ever want to discuss more
Ok gn

>>40509725 (OP)
Correct; tutorial level world.
See "tutorial level village" in stereotypical video-games/movies ("heroes journey"); Shire etc.
Is what Eden means. Floods soon, are you hyped?

>>40509725 (OP)
It's both.

>>40509725 (OP)
If it is a training planet, then where is the correct answer to graduate from this training camp?

>>40509725 (OP)
Innacurate pic. Most of those men should be falling, only one or two would be able to reach the top. Maybe the artist was trying to be optimistic about it. Good for him.

>>40509725 (OP)
Can you say that in the voice of Morgan Freeman? From that prison movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ8ZHilxdm8

>>40515154
A lie is actually a truth.

>>40517958
If I gave you a specific answer, you wouldn't believe me.
All I can say is, pursue truth at all costs. Don't forsake truth for the sake of worldly comfort.

>>40517992
Of course, because the right answer does not exist, there is only one unanswered question and we are trying to find the most reasonable answer.

>>40517992
But there's a second step, anon, one Jung didn't get to in his lifetime. It's the Rebound, the Redemption, the climax of the Phoenix.
Where Dionysus Falls, Apollo Rises.

>>40518025
The right answer is Jesus, but the sin in our flesh causes us to resist this because we love our sin too much.

>>40510086
Agreed
Any time someone cooms the Book of Revelations gets delayed