Should I venerate the gods of my own race or the ones that speak most to me?
Racially, I am Anglo-Saxon, but the Greek gods, practice, and ethics, through my interest in Greek philosophy, are what I feel most drawn to, while I little interest in Celtic / Nordic mythology or gods.
Which is correct?

>>40509956 (OP)
use your intuition. gods are beyond race.

>>40509966
True, but at the same time, a lot of this has to do with tradition. It seems a little retarded for an American to worship Greek gods, who belong to a culture very far removed from my own.

>>40509984
Do not be so foolish.

>>40510041
Elaborate

>>40510044
You are limiting yourself by race. You are cutting yourself off from Knowledge.

>>40509956 (OP)
Just make new gods, the real gods just wear them as masks

>>40510075
If that's the case, why not just convert to Christianity, a religion that worships Jews and is based off Jewish folklore?

>>40510103
...

>>40509956 (OP)
You should worship the Gods you believe to be real or else you're just a LARPer, an actor

>>40510150

>>40510186
mind sharing the name of the book?

The reconstruction of paganism is practically impossible. You will join the faggots and trannies bowing down to worthless idols of stone or dancing with faggy clothes in the woods to edm. Stop while you can and turn to the true god, the lord of life and death.

Deities have had different names through different cultures. It makes sense to go with the romantic depiction that your guided to, as that's how the magic works.

>>40509956 (OP)
The Greco-Roman gods, for the most part, are the same as the other European gods. They, themselves, found that there were equivalents. They're the same. Your interest is largely aesthetic.

But from a metaphysical perspective, worshipping these deities is somewhat silly. Not only are they not the "source" of their own power, they're also long-dead in terms of real, organised worship.

>>40509956 (OP)
What would the divines care for race? Follow only one's heart. Only it can guide you to your soul's innermost apocalypse.

>>40510472
They are returning

>>40510536
Not for long, ancient pagans believed afaik that right before the last day of this cycle or whatever fornication or sexual immorality or something like that would be rampant

>>40510536
And even if they are, they still are not equivalent in power to the One.

I believe that the gods of one's own people are more appropriate for worship. All forms of polytheism have regional variations for a reason, and it's directly related to the minds and spirits of those regional peoples. Why did the Swedes more commonly venerate Freyr? Probably because they have a lot of flat fertile ground that is great for agriculture and trade, the easy pleasant life, etc. Whereas the Norwegians more commonly venerated Thor probably because in a land of rocky mountains and icy fjords it makes sense to venerate a deity of strength and good health. Trying to insert yourself into other people's traditions, especially the further they are removed from your own, is a little weird imo but just learning about different traditions is obviously a good thing no matter what. Besides, Greek religion/culture/ethnos is not as far removed from Anglo-Saxon as you would think. We are both descendants of the Indo-European diaspora, look into the similarities (warlords on chariots, thunder gods that smite serpent demons, sunwheels and swastikas, common roots for our languages)

>>40509956 (OP)
I'm from South America and I venerate Apollo. Sure, there will be more of a connection with the gods that are from your own birthplace, but Faith is something we can choose to give to any God that's willing to receive it.

Tho, if down in family tree, one of your ancestors did something really insulting to some of the Greek gods, maybe one or the whole pantheon might have a problem. I'm not too knowledgeable about this topic, so it would be better if some other anon that really knows about it could fact check what I'm saying

>>40510294
In All Her Names : Explorations Of The Feminine In Divinity
Harper San Francisco, New York, NY, New York State, 1991
Joseph Campbell (Editor), Charles Musès

If you are part of the West, you are connected to the Gods and their plan. Celts are descended from Ares.

OP, start reading the Iliad.

>>40509956 (OP)
There is NO “Correct” One True Way!! You are Free to worship any God., any combination of Gods, or any Pantheon of Gods you chose! Neo-Paganism has no restrictions on who we worship - it is.not Christcuckery!

>>40509984
>It seems a little retarded for an American to worship Greek gods, who belong to a culture very far removed from my own.
It doesn't really matter at this point. Going back a couple thousand years, you have an absurd amount of ancestors. Even going back just a thousand years put you well into hundreds of millions of people who are your direct genetic ancestors. Were there some Greeks mixed into all those millions of people? If so, you have plenty of racial claim to worshipping Greek gods.

If you feel drawn to a specific religion and you feel the need to have some genetic connection, just assume that one of your distant ancestors came from the genetic group that followed that religion, because they probably did.

>>40509984

>>40510796
They're still emanations of The One, if you're speaking of the Neoplatonic One. They are supernatural and therefore furthest removed from the distortion of materiality, representing purest virtues and concepts that one must emulate. Closer to humanity are sainted heroes like those of ancient cults or Christian saints, as they were human beings who emulated the divine and thus elevated themselves to immortality and myth, and now serve as guides for the living towards henosis. In my conceptualization of it all, they are one step above humans, and gods are a step above them. At the nexus of the entire thing is The One, but The One isn't directly worshipped because you cannot worship and idea, only contemplate it.
For this reason, I think all gods are relative, as well as prophets and heroes, simply existing as derivatives of the One. Christianity is the only odd one out because Judaism and, by extension, the Old Testament, insists upon ethnic exclusivity, and Christianity as a whole insists upon philosophical exclusivity. This is why the Romans went as far to view the Christians as atheists.

>>40509956 (OP)
>>40510472

Exactly, before twisting yourself into knots, double check that they’re not all the same people.

I like all of them except Zeus myself

>>40509956 (OP)

Galatians 3
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203&version=KJV

Matthew 12
Behold my mother and my brethren!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012&version=KJV

Matthew 7
Ye shall know them by their fruits.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207&version=KJV

>>40510438
ah yes the jewish lord. you worship a kike

>>40512184
>They're still emanations of The One
...eh

>>40509956 (OP)
This is gayest, most faggot question I have ever heard in my entire life.

>>40509956 (OP)
Anglo-Saxons are Jews , we are descendants of the Lost tribes of manasseh and Ephraim

Our God is Yahweh/Jehovah, Our ancestors made the Covenant with God not Demons and Spirits

Why not unironically both of them?

>>40510438
The trouble is it's either annoying trannies, people who think "doing drugs is magic lol" (I'm not saying it's not, but you know what I mean, surely), someone who quite literally just made some shit up and then people who use GD-infused Ogham. The big issue is GD is poisoned beyond belief due to exactly the same thing that ruined the Celts at least. They surely undermined and abused the more Nordic or specifically Germanic parties too.
>>40510472
If you look close enough, you see where most and even all of them are connected and the perennial themes only become even easier to observe.
Some sources even insist that Hermes and his various similar costumes preceded the rest of the Greek pantheon. It makes perfect sense too when you consider the analogues like Odin or Thoth, who explicitly have stories of preceding their own cultures and coming from some far off place to reconstruct or rebuild something.
Anyway, the idea here is it doesn't matter as much what name we give the Archetypes or each of the costumes they wear. It matters more if the peripheral aspects are aligned. In fact, all of the books insist pretty routinely that the whole idea is to tune as much as you can about your external and internal processes to what you want to summon, identify with, use and so on.
>Not only are they not the "source" of their own power
It's more a paradox. You shouldn't be quite so confident, I don't think.
>long-dead
Not even close.
>in terms of real, organized worship
Even this is arguable.
>>40510536
>returning
Wrong still. They never left.
The difference between your depictions of God/Gods today and what used to be understood about it/them is that the previous version was totally okay with the shock and awe that makes humans feel small and impotent. That quality never left them.
They never went anywhere. They were waiting for everyone to tire themselves out. Bat signals abound these days. Don't you feel it?

>>40509956 (OP)
>Which is correct?
Depends. Do you really wish to sacrifice oxes for a living?

>>40509984
The chain of tradition has been broken with Germanic/Celtic gods too

Among greek religion we still know roughly how they sacrificed, how their religion worked, while with germanic gods it's all gone

>>40509956 (OP)
they are the same gods, just worship brittania shes is a variation of athena anyway

>>40514337
One of the ways they gatekeep information and maintain an edge over you is by not giving you proper translations. You shouldn't be confident that you know exactly what all they were doing. If you were permitted to understand better these traditions, you would realize that you're cut off from them because of how intensely charged all the practices are, being conducted for so long. You might find them reliable and intuitive if you had access.
But they can't let you genuinely learn a whole lot more, as it would tip the balance, which certainly isn't on the agenda.

>>40509956 (OP)
>muh syncretism
I cannot fucking fathom this board, the time it wastes and the enormity of the importance of the things it fails to say anything interesting about. OP is asking a question about a choice he doesn't have if either of the options actually matter and you're all answering him as if you're any less retarded for thinking that divinity is an elaborate costume-changing act that defined every major culture on Earth then let them die out just so you could be on a webforum treating their histories like a DnD campaign setting.
>>40514421
>this thing is just this other thing that it isn't
>>40514337
>our Gods are so real that you can forget how to worship them and they won't even remind you because reasons and then they'll turn into different Gods and then they'll all disappear simultaneously forever and be replaced by machines, Jews and a vague certainty that magic still exists
What are any of you people doing here?

>>40514789
>I hate Syncretism.
Then go hang out in some really specific digital coven or lodge, you faggot. Comparative Mythology is useful in large public settings for a variety of reasons, but you wouldn't understand that since you're too busy marrying traditions and getting pissed when your sports team loses.
When you offer up all of your agency to other systems, you vitiate their egregore, not what you create, personally identify with or otherwise embody or sync with. It's like the difference between being an Entrepreneur or a Wage Slave. The former is far easier to respect in virtually all cases and the second is only easily respectable (at least by men of Agency) in narrow cases.
People who don't like Comparative Mythology dislike it because they cling to exclusionary, elitist and self-aggrandizing systems. It's a very simple Reverse Prisoners' Dilemma; cooperate and become someone's worker drone that moves to its grooves like a thing on a string or get with the program and intuit your own system like you were meant to.
Following everyone around and yanking on their coattails makes you look small. If you're going to talk so large, go do something big at least.

>>40509956 (OP)
>Greek gods, practice, and ethics, through my interest in Greek philosophy, are what I feel most drawn to, while I little interest in Celtic / Nordic mythology or gods.
>Which is correct?
Go for "Cox, George W (George William)" books
i.e.They are the same

>>40509956 (OP)
Obviously, this is a choice that you have to make, regardless of what anyone here says. Personally, I say go with what you actually connect to- in the metaphysical sense. Which sounds like the Greek Theoi for you. If you don't actually connect with the Gods of your race, veneration of them becomes a shallow and insincere act. Which sounds pointless and spiritually draining.

>>40509956 (OP)
Gods are universal.

>>40514337
For example, there is virtually no "Celtic" astrology available to any pagan so curious... and while there are many calendars, it's going to be basically impossible for any to surpass the Venusian calendar as exemplified by the Mayans/Aztecs.

To get a full picture of the Divine requires working with others.

Wisdom has placed her greatest secrets where the unworthy will not seek them.

Prejudice blinds the mind so easily.

>>40514789
> our Gods are so real that you can forget how to worship them and they won't even remind you because reasons and then they'll turn into different Gods and then they'll all disappear simultaneously forever and be replaced by machines, Jews and a vague certainty that magic still exists
This is literally what happened, and if you haven’t stumbled upon the “why” yet, I just don’t think you need to concern yourself with it. It would probably just annoy you.

>>40515333
They didn't stop trying to remind anyone, retard. They never went anywhere. All of their means of communicating with you was necessarily sequestered.
Each time humans do this, shit goes fucking wild and no one can figure out why, pretending like nothing is out of place and everyone is doing things normally just like they've always done. Well it turns out that you cannot, in fact, turn everything upside down and expect no one to notice long enough to make a whole entire planet just sort of do whatever you want them to.
To satisfy the annoying faggot that hates Comparative Mythology so much, they kept killing people who would explain the Mysteries over and over and didn't really stop. When they started mass murdering one time, everyone formed underground circles to keep it going, but those got infiltrated too. As things progressed, there were big hold outs, but those thinned too after enough time passed. Within the last century or two, they all switched to International organizations that hide behind governments, compartmentalizing the same type of information as before. This time, though using separate rhetoric (this time ambiguities they obviously can't elaborate for circular reasons), they convinced everyone it's all for the best and they wouldn't want to know anyway.
So now we're left with this modern world where the deprecated Mystery Schools are synonymous with Black Budget, deeply compartmentalized NGOs, government contractors and even rogue (or, maybe worse, not) clandestine domestic forces which repeat the Noble Lie. The biggest issue with all of this is they don't leave some sort of link behind to the old world, the old perspectives, and they lose sight of the focus of the regular people and how the objective situation is.
In reality, the Gods (or God, if you'd rather) never went anywhere. Instead, people are throwing up flares as we speak. Some of the big Occultfags even insist this spells Revelation-Ragnarok.

>I am Anglo Saxon
No you're not. 'Anglos' are just R1B Gauls larping as Germanics.

>>40515465
>people are throwing up flares as we speak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLPlqeWWqI

You must only worship that magical Jew, as that id the only way.

>>40509956 (OP)
>Should I venerate the gods of my own race or the ones that speak most to me?
I guess the best choice is to venerate the gods which are being more useful to you. If the gods of your race are helping you then venerate them, but if you have other gods helping you then venerate them. Why would you venerate a god who is not helping you? It doesn't make sense to venerate a god who doesn't speak to you. Venerate the god who speaks to you.

>>40509956 (OP)
>Should I venerate the gods of my own race or the ones that speak most to me?
There are no "gods of your own race", there are simply your race's NAMES for the gods.

There is none worth worshipping except the one that speaks to you, regardless of whether your people ever gave it a name in their history.

>>40515465
In such a situation, what does one do if their life was touched by a God and mysteries were revealed? Find one of these black budget mystery schools? Go be a schizo occult influencer? Keep my head down and hope I survive ragnarok?

To speak openly about divine secrets is profane, but to hold them inside is a burden.

>>40517552
Who are you bidding with here, anon? Pascal or some retard down the street trying to tell you another idiot managed to "kill (a) God"?
I'd say you should do as you please. Just note: you may regret forsaking those you forget to appease.

>>40517552
>To speak openly about divine secrets is profane.
Nonsense! The natural consequence of doing so directly simply makes people think you're crazy.

This is why we get all these fanciful (and ultimately metaphorical) religions about how you need to "serve a king" named "Go(o)d", and if you do so, he'll "reward you".

>>40517802
The point is a reclassification of "God" is in order for the vast majority of the global populace.
The "Gods" are fucking tired of being blamed for all this dumb shit people do. Even more, people have the audacity to represent or symbolize certain actions, objectives or philosophies with entities they have no business beckoning.
What's worse is the idiots keep trying to kill people simply delivering the message that recourse isn't just in planned, but in route.
>don't profane!
They really mean quit telling the other useless eaters that they're not actually "gods" and otherwise mindfucking them into thinking mere mortals are Divine while exhibiting precisely the opposite qualities with ever move they make.

>>40509956 (OP)
>Racially

>>40517552
>Find one of these black budget mystery schools? Go be a schizo occult influencer? Keep my head down and hope I survive ragnarok?
Think about it this way: if a God gave you a torch, They mean you to use it.

>>40509956 (OP)
Christ killed all the old gods. Don't worship dead gods

>>40518170
>Christ killed
Your violent, treacherous religion is a disgrace to your own savior.

All of them were mortal human kings, sages, etc
There is no real need to venerate them, unless you enjoy it
If a follower of a particular belief system cannot perform extrahuman miracles today, best to be skeptical of their deities power
I tolerate peoples beliefs, but if they cant actually perform miracles, I will be skeptical of their deity power, or alleged supernatural gifts
Most paranormal activities are mental phantasms and cannot actually harm or heal bodies, nor can they reliably manifest anything into material reality via thought alone
Sorry, but no levitation or shooting fireballs from your hands or mouth is allowed
Faith healing is occasionally effective, mostly via psychosomatic reflex, but is not a universal cure-all
Generally cultivating optimism, metta practice, kindness towards others, and detatchment will bring mental and community benefits.
I do not recommend asking disembodied godforms for help or harm or excessive veneration of deities. I do not recommend considering or claiming to be a godform. Common delusion, generally the result of archetypal possession or simply playing pretend.

>>40518108
I can't even properly speak about my spiritual experiences, it's like all the words feel wrong to use.

>>40518108
I have been treating it like a mystery to solve. I’m just waiting for a break in the case.

>muh syncretism
>all the gods are the same with different names!!
Ok, show me the Norse version of Athena. There is none. These different cultures very clearly had different ideals and those are shown in their gods. The things these gods are concerned with tend to be mixed and matched. Odin is syncretized with Hermes, but only due to his traveling and search for magic. Hermes and Thoth had no involvement with war. If anything, a god of warfare and wisdom sounds like Athena, but Odin is very clearly not syncretic to her. Nor, for that matter, any of the female Norse gods. That's just one example.