>Library
https://controlc.com/f90157e6

>Mysticism
Hindu — Raja Yoga, Hathayoga, Shiva Samhita
Taoist — Foundations of Internal Alchemy
Theravada — Knowing and Seeing
Sufi — Sufism for Non-Sufis
Jewish — Jewish Meditation
General/Thelema — sacred-texts.com & hermetic.com/figures/index

>Grimoires
Agrippa's Three Books are core
Arbatel should be the first; afterward Heptameron, or Goetia, or Abramelin, Picatrix, etc
The PGM tend to be modular
esotericarchives.com/

>Buddhism & Vajrayana
Intro to Tantra, Refining Gold. Look to centers in your area & others that offer empowerment online. Avoid NKT, Rigpa, and Shambhala. Garchen Rinpoche and HHDL's whole YouTube catalogs; you can take empowerment and transmission from their recordings if vows are understood, but really you should have a teacher.
The Facebook group Vajrayana Events regularly posts online empowerments, lungs, and teachings.
accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/
studybuddhism.com

>Golden Dawn
Cicero's Self Initiation into the Golden Dawn, Lyam Thomas Christopher - Kabalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation
Find a Temple: pansophers.com/golden-dawn-locations/

>Aurum Solis
Magical Philosophy (70s editions go from I-V, modern from I-III), then Planetary Magick
The Practical Guide series

>Aspire to A∴A∴
Have a basic understanding of the Golden Dawn system. Read Liber ABA, then go through this reading list:
ordoaa.org/studlist.htm
Focus on Liber Resh, E , RV, O, Astarte, and HHH
For a full curriculum, Mystical and Magical System of the A∴A∴

>Chaos Magic
Liber Null & Psychonaut, Condensed Chaos, Liber Kaos, Hands-On Chaos Magic

>Tradcraft
https://pastebin.com/KB7QhL7u

>Astrology
https://pastebin.com/euWACNrK

Previous thread:
>>40465184

I thought I'd drop a little secret here. some of you guys know this already but for those of you who dont--if you haven't done magick to make you better at magick, then you ought to right away. and if it's been a while then consider a booster shot

>>40540568
First ritual I ever did was about that, lol.

Some of you into gardening and plants?

>>40540838
I'm too scatterbrained to maintain plants. I'm lucky to stay focused on magic.

>>40540568
What kind of spell would do that?

>>40541163
>What kind of spell would do that?
weird you post a picture of a guy holding a spoon and you ask to be spoon fed.

>>40541169
Weird you post in a thread offering resources and refuse to even so much as point someone in the right direction.

>>40541205
what
okay here's your answer
the kind of spell that would do that is the kind that you make up
just make up a spell and do it

>>40541163
Mysticism/meditation practice or middle pillar

>>40540838
>Some of you into gardening and plants?
Yeah I grow various things, including the three Grimorium Verum asperging herbs. Keeping others as a kind of constant spirit offering works pretty well in my experience, too.

>>40540139 (OP)
Any books to understand and do traditional hebrew gematria?

What does having care means? I mean are you not protected by the circle, lamen, pentacle, hexagram, etc...

>>40541209
you are a pathetic teacher.

>>40541205
look up third eye meditation, binaural beats, and energy work. won't make magic stronger, but will help you understand the vibes your trying to feel while casting.

personally, the best thing to do is create a philosophy of magic for yourself. you can take other systems (thelema, wicca, etc.) as a foundation, but ultimately magic is personal.

>>40541777
I've not had occasion to try Andras, but presumably cutting corners. It's sometimes possible to get at least some results without going through the whole rigmarole, but it can be more chaotic in my experience. I wouldn't want to call that one without the full set of properly made tools and a period of fasting and chasteness, for example. Might work, might be a case of FAFO. It's why it can be best, when first evoking, to ask for an easier way to call them in the future.

>>40541854
Going to disagree with this guy vehemently. Cherry picking your magic is a recipe for disaster. There is no separating a craft from its cosmology. There are -reasons- certain arts arise from a specific school of thought and not another. This egotistical idea that you can just throw dedication, discipline, and research to the wind and create your own personal jesus is going to lead you to places you really don't want to be.

Pick a religion. Dedicate yourself to its crafts. Learn to work within those limits as we do ALL things in life. Set the ego aside and humble yourself before a craft or stay far away from it at all costs!

>>40541973
incorrect. we're just talking about energy. all the tools and disciplines of the past were just ways to shift energy to your benefit.

i agree in learning the crafts, history, and cosmology of the chosen styles. however, it's still just energy. learning their mode helps one understand the reasoning behind it. eventually, you'll start seeing all the patterns, energies, and "vibes" that connect them. once you understand that, you can remove the unnecessary bits.

>>40541973
>Pick a religion
Boring... this isn't a religion thread. Even if religion is present it's in the form of esoteric mysticism.

This is all a waste of time. Just live your life and be happy.

>>40541777
Beyond consecrated tools, a magic circle and a period of fasting and purification? I'm guessing it's to be careful with how you phrase your words, and how you interpret whatever words the spirit conveys to you. It brings to mind the almost lawyerly and OCD composing of requests and license to depart. But I might be missing the mark somewhat, who knows?

>>40542116
>is also wasting his time here
Ok, retard. Then fuck off.

>>40541973
That's right. You shouldn't inject Eastern concepts like karma and reincarnation into the Western tradition, for example. And anyone who does that is a fucking retard.

Any magical masters that want to join the fight against satan in the astral join up with just a listen. It will increase your intuition and heighten your capabilities for good 100 fold.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3pFLVlFcU14

Howdy folks, may I ask y'all something? I'm cross-postin' this in a few threads, and basically:

i'm seeking books that learn me good more about the:

Tarot and Qabbalah

Any ideas?

>>40541676
There may be something about it in the library, sorry, I am not educated on this topic to comment.
>>40541777
This is just my gut instinct, but my two ideas are that: 1. you shouldn't summon this guy for just any minor trifle and 2. interpreted in connection with the preceding words, the warning may mean that you have to be careful in discord-creating requests because the demon may attempt to put you right in the middle of that.

>>40540139 (OP)
What would help me with apathy, low libido and prostate problems? I already started semen retention.

>>40542293
>You shouldn't syncretize objectively better concepts into your inferior traditions to make them better.
I think I already found the retard here.

>>40542679
>i put disparate shit together and declare them compatible because it suits my fancy
Ok, retard.

>>40542516
there are whole sections of it in the library. a link is posted in the OP

>>40542679
>objectively better
LMAO

>>40542293
>inject Eastern concepts
A concept has no nationality. It is either True or not.

I would see engagement with the occult with an emphasis on "cultural authenticity" being more of a /pol/ thing.

>>40542722
And karma and reincarnation aren't true. Based logic.

>>40542722
Prove that karma and reincarnation are true.

>>40542704
ah :D

How do I curse people who respond to posts with irrelevant advice that I never asked for? I want them and everyone they love to suffer horribly.

>>40542516
Last year, I read a book I recommend called "The Tarot: A Contemporary Course of the Quintessence of Hermetic Occultism" by Mouni Sadhu, which ended up expanding well beyond the Tarot, with one of the longest chapters being the one about the Wheel of Fortune, which is the card of the Qabbalah.

It was really difficult, and a lot of shit you end up having to infer because he won't discuss it directly, but I also saw your question as somebody who doesn't frequent this general, and who's been obsessed with the ToL since I read that book, so it seems like an answer I should give.

>>40542737
Easy. You can use evil eye. Just glare at the desired post and think evil (tm). But note that you gain bad karma, so don't do it!

>>40542770
I don't believe in karma, but your method is too simplistic, and if I'm being honest -- it's retarded.
Captcha: DTW0W

>>40542737
Not possible unless you know their IP address and can locate them. If those are known then you can begin with the curse magic.
It would be nice if you already have familiars whose talents include curses. Otherwise, find people who have died horrible deaths. Take dirt from their grave or even their body parts.
Compose a suitable curse against your target. Convince the dead person that your target was the cause of their untimely demise.
Et voila. You have performed a curse.

>>40542726
>>40542731
>flatly declares the thing to be false
>Then asks me to prove its true, implying it can't be, and contradicting his previous fiat claim
>STILL asking for proof of supernatural shit
Again, Karma isn't strictly attached to reincarnation. Its simply the "As Above; So Below" manifestation of Newtonian "equal and opposite reaction" within the framework of the Astral rather than the Material plane.

As far as I understand, anyway~

>>40540139 (OP)
Pic looks like Yung Lean/Jonatan Leandoer96 and it's kinda funny to me. Imagine if he was a /x/ regular, along with Ecco2k and bladee. I want to hear Yung Lean and his buds sing about reptilians and skinwalkers.

>Ginseng Strip 2002
>Hotel in Minsk
>Red Bottom Sky
Just waiting for /x/ songs by him or anyone like that for that matter.

>>40542806
Do I keep the dirt/body part or do I use it on my target in some way?

>>40542815
Lolwut?

>>40542698
Reincarnation and Karma do show up in western traditional history, to some extent or other.

karma, in its more mundane sense, is defined as
>the principle of cause and effect, where actions, both physical and mental, have consequences that influence future experiences.
in its more metaphysical sense, it deals with the same concept, but including past lives as well.

this concept fits similarly to the concept of Orlog from norse mythology. Orlog can be defined as
>the concept of fate, specifically the "primal layers" or "first laws" that govern the universe and the lives of individuals. It's not a deterministic fate, but rather the foundational structure upon which actions and consequences unfold.
they both deal with similar concepts. honestly, pretty damn close

>But that's ONLY from Norse mythology!!
Nope, Norse is just the most preserved form of germanic history.

Reincarnation can be argued better, but Celtic mythology does hold onto the ideas of it. specifically, in Gaulish-Brittonic and Goidelic languages, they believed in a limited form of reincarnation where ancestors' spirits could be reborn within their family lineage, potentially influencing descendants.

>>40542846
>Can't be argued*
my bad

>>40542846
Nta but fuck the nordic, celtic, germanic, etc tribal crap. I practice grimoire magic and would sooner trace descendance from Alexandrian magic. Motherfuckers like you still don't understand that your bullshit ain't my bullshit, and my bullshit ain't yours. Everybody has their own shit. Stop pretending like your shit is the universal shit that anyone else has to believe.

>>40542815
Well can you or can't you prove that karma and reincarnation are real?

>>40542822
The dirt and/or body part serves as a connection to the dead person. So you'll need to keep it close to you so you can communicate with the dead person.
But, you'll also need to keep it close to the target so the dead person can affect the target.

>>40542698
That's literally Chaos Magick in a nutshell

>>40542947
And that's why chaos magic is retarded

>>40542884
I don't think you followed the whole trail of conversation on this one buddy...

the anon i was posting to said reincarnation and karma have no place in western tradition. those two cultures are major players in western tradition. they believed in a form of karma and reincarnation. ergo, karma and reincarnation can be introduced on some fashion to western belief systems and traditions.

>>40542952
I mean, yes but the point isn't if it makes sense or not. The point is: Does it work?

There are people who belive spirits are just portions of their brain and go like go on, do something for me you faggot brain. And then you would have no way to explain how your brain made you win the lottery

Does it matters why or does it matters thaylt it works?

>>40542957
No, it's YOU who hasn't been paying attention to the arrogance and imperiousness of people who push the ideas of karma and whatnot onto other people. I don't give a fuck how you want to fiddle with system to make whatever frankensupersystem that makes your dicklets hard. Just keep your dicklets to yourself. Can you fucking understand that?

>>40542133
It's also made you, specifically, miserable; as well as being a waste of time. Definitely time for you to fuck off. forever.

>>40542971
Bro, apply that question to karma and reincarnation. "Does it work?" Does WHAT work? I've seen spirits but I've never had any experiential data to even think of karma or reincarnation as true. They don't even apply to my daily life, what more my magical practice. If you have some experiential data, it's YOURS and has no meaning for me. Stop nagging me about karma.

>>40542980
>is still here wasting time with the rest of us
>"no u"
LMAO

>>40542972
you're clearly using your heart over your head on this, so I will just be blunt:
1.I am not pushing anything. someone asked for wisdom, i provided it. however you interpret it is up to you.
2. it is not fiddling with systems, this is based in history. not willy-nilly plastering of nonsense for no reason.
3. I am not a pagan. just a guy who plays with energy.

my condolences that your lack of knowledge, that is freely available for anyone to learn online, has caused you this much pain and anger. truly

>>40543006
Lol look at all this pretentiousness and presumptuous superiority. Go fuck yourself, you airhead.

>>40542985
I'm not talking about Karma. Just about constructing your own magic system. You want to curse someone? I have had success with Haures, Gaap, and raum

>>40543028
YOU ARE A MAZLEM

ACT LIKE ONE

>>40543016
so do you have anything to properly combat what i've said, that is not 3rd grade level of insults?

please, i am truly curious. an individual, complaining about the "arrogance" and "imperiousness" of people, while actively shrieking like a toddler being told no, and lashing out with only insults, not dialogue...

why do you hold such a sense of superiority to believe you can act as such and still somehow be in the right?

>>40543054
>simply cannot stand that anyone would challenge his "superiority"
You are ironically the child you speak of so insultingly. I don't care if you don't practice or believe as I do, but it bothers you so so so so much that I don't agree with you. That is truly childish.

Once again the pseudo-intellectualism of dollar-store perennialists unburdens itself into the latrine that is this thread.

>>40543080
>you are ironically the child you speak of
you mean unironically, right? just clarifying.

and i am not bothered at all, my friend. in fact, i am open to dialogue. i would love to hear your sincere reasoning, based on experience and study, to help drive greater learning in this subject for myself and everyone lurking.

unfortunately, it seems like you are not interested in that at all. pity

>>40543128
Lol more emotional projection. There is no dialogue. You say things and expect others to agree, while I am absolutely fine with disagreements. Karma and reincarnation have no place in my magic practice. If that bothers you, tough shit. Deal with it.

>>40543152
understood, my friend.

would you like to provide some details into your magical practice? the belief system, cosmology, philosophy, etc?

instead of combativeness, let's share.

>>40543178
I already said it. It's grimoire magic. To speak of philosophy and cosmology is superfluous, because while I might be larping as a Catholic while preparing materials and saying prayers, the rest of the time I'm pretty much a regular person. What I can and do believe is that when I conjure a spirit it appears in whatever medium I'm using to scry. Occasionally they might appear semi-corporeally, or in a dream. Whatever the case, karma or reincarnation aren't phenomena I've observed. I deal with things I interact with directly, without making inordinate speculations about whatever metaphysics behind it.

>>40543209
interesting. can you elaborate a bit on what you mean by grimoire magic? are you just reading old books and following what they wrote to the letter? or is there more i am not understanding?

you seem to perform only necromancy, based on this post. is that correct to assume?

you say you haven't observed it. but have you tried? put intent into looking for it? or only stating it out of lack of personal study on it?

>>40542762
Oh wow thanks man :)

>>40543209
and can you provide more details on the larping as a chirstian, but a regular person most of the time? how does that paradox of personalities help with the process for you?

>>40543256
>obviously still angling back to karma and reincarnation
You know what I HAVE observed from the years when I used to sit in meditation for 6-8 hours in one sitting? The mind in its absolute thirst for ANY stimuli when starved of it will fill in stimuli in vivid sceneries. When I told my teacher about them I was told it was some kind of past life recollection. I thought back to my "recollections" and picked out various little details to analyze. They weren't historically correct to the ostensible time period, and when I though back further, they were from little snippets of historical dramas that my mind remembered. So no, I don't believe in karma and reincarnation. I do still put value in meditation although not in such long durations anymore.

>>40543264
Because if I wanted religion I would've just remained a Catholic. I'm a magician, not a Christian in whatever denomination. If the grimoire calls for holy water, I'd make it myself in a method that was licit to me. If I'm supposed to pray in a way that calls on the Christian God, then ok I'll do that. I don't require an over-riding [[ system ]]. Grimoire magic works even if you don't particularly believe in Christianity, as evidenced by my non-religious Chinese friends who gave it a go and were happy enough with the results to keep using it.

>>40543256
>a bit on what you mean by grimoire magic?
Yes.
Look on YouTube for stephen skinner and in archive.org for goetia of Dr rudd.

It's unfathomable how those two are not on the copy-paste of this thread

>>40543304
so your reasoning for why karma and reincarnation do not exist...is because you fell asleep while meditating, and misunderstood your dreams as "recollections".

understood, my friend! thank you very much for this insight.

and, just so we are clear, i am still interested in your answers to my other questions :).

also, >>40543264
this question is from me as well. i understand i misspelled Christian in it, but i hope that doesn't offend you too much to answer it, friend.

>>40543327
>>40543357
oh, i see these now, ignore my request for answers, friend :)

>>40543264
>LARPING as a Christian
>https://youtu.be/vRM0wolPqC4?si=qdz6B_2mXyXLX1l7

>>40543366
>obviously still pretending to be intellectually superior
Lol no. I didn't fall asleep and they weren't dreams. They were the hallucinations of a meditating mind that was still awake. But go ahead and present to me your rock-solid proof of karma and reincarnation.

>>40543327
ah, so you larp because you are too uncomfortable to look into anything past your spiritual security blanket, so you have to justify it with a snarky, ironic personality to help you feel better.

understood, my friend! thank you for this insight!

>>40543374
Well, this >>40543357 isn't me. Although I do value SKinner's work.

>>40543374
You asked if I grab a grimoire and do what it says. I told you yes and I told you which grinoire I do. What else do you want to know? It's very clear

>>40543357
i see, i see. but i asked for YOUR definition, not a link to someone else's, my friend. are you capable of explaining your beliefs without the help of someone else's notes?

>>40543401
Nah, I just don't see the point of believing in things I don't interact with. And I'm still waiting for you to present absolutely rock-solid proof of karma and reincarnation. Please proceed with that instead of muddying the water further.

>>40543391
as soon as you provide me rock-solid proof you didn't fall asleep my friend :)

>>40543413
Hy would I waste my time typing? Someone already said it

LMAO this dude is samefagging as me in a "dialogue". And that's how I know for sure that the retards who keep sperging about karma are just a bunch of trolls.

>>40543421
to prove your competency in it, my friend. anyone can point to others and say "whatever they say i follow!" but, can you actually understand it in a way to present, as a teacher not a follower of one?

>>40543420
>knows that the only evidence he has is anecdotal
Well, if that's the standard then I'll just continue not believing in karma and reincarnation... friend :D

>>40543429
>The moving goalpost
K

>>40543424
so much this. they've done it to me before on some other topic.
bunch of weirdos pretending to be me in a so-called debate.

>>40543424
Ignore and report

>>40543434
if you have anything that is not anecdotal i am more than happy to read it friend! unfortunately, we are dealing with the esoteric, so getting anything that isn't that will be a bit tricky.

>>40543435
by no means friend, i would never! but why engage with you at all, if not to learn from you? and if you are not interested in engaging in this topic, why did you start in the first place?

>>40543466
>can't prove karma and reincarnation are true
I accept your concession.

>>40543486
understood, my friend :). but i am curious still, do you have evidence that is not anecdotal? i mean, not including the riveting insight that you got from your 7 hour "meditation", of course. i wouldn't want to be rude to your beliefs

>>40543506
>understands that he has lost but still persists in being disingenuous
Lol so much for your sincere desire for "dialogue".

>>40542929
Interesting. Should I make offerings to the dead person? What if I employ several dead people who died violent deaths? Would that strengthen the curse?

>>40543537
my condolences if that is all you have gotten from this, friend. but i can assure you that i am, in fact, open to dialogue.

i even have one of your recommendations, "The Goetia of Dr. Rudd" currently on another tab.

all i am asking, is what you are asking of me. anecdotal evidence to your belief. that is all, friend. can you provide that for me?

>>40543554
If you can find out what they liked in life, you could make offerings to them. But that's more complexity.
These are riffs on ideas from the PGM and Magika Hiera, eg slander spells and katadesmos.
What's also more complexity is employing multiple dead. It introduces more potential points of failure.
What you're hoping to capitalize on is the sheer confusion and emotion of the person in their death state.
Trying to convince one dead person that the target is the cause of their unjustified and unnecessary death is hard enough.

>>40543624
Nah, man you're disingenuous. I've seen too much of your tactics on here. Also, that other "me" who made the recommendation? Go talk to that "me" about Rudd. As much as you think you've trapped me in a sophistic trap, you're actually in mine. If you don't believe my shit, that's fine by me. But you're gonna have to be fine with me shitting on karma and reincarnation. So, now that you understand that we're each in our little anecdotal bubble, stop bothering me with yours. Karma and reincarnation are bullshit. Deal with it.

>>40540838
Yes! I'm growing sunflowers in my backyard as well as some mushrooms! It's nice to have a longform project that teaches patience and maintenance. I think that's vital to growing one's magical efficiencies.

>>40543646
my feeling is that you're sticking it to the karma fanboys
or maybe you're one of the karma fanboys shitposting on both sides
but this is some potentially potent shit, i'd even add breaking some red clay pots

>>40543670
ah, i understand my friend. you have my heartfelt condolences for your feelings towards those not like you. truly, a pitiable state to be in.

however, if you ever change your mind and decide to provide me with the anecdotal evidence to how reincarnation and karma are truly not real. i would LOVE to read it, friend.

after all, it is what you demanded of me :)

>>40543768
well... if you say x thing is real and shove it in people's faces, the onus is on you to provide evidence
your passive aggressive nonsense is also really quite pathetic
nobody in here can "prove" their occult claims to the other
that's the point you obviously get but are clearly dancing around
but carry on with your pathetic trolling
you too >>40543670

>>40543803
you are right, nobody can prove their claims.

so why are you such a pathetic jackass, running a tantrum anytime you hear one thing that even hints at your being wrong?

i understand that ritual magic (or, as you moronically called it "GrImOiRe MaGiCk") requires a sense of authority and willpower to do shit, but holy fuck you have gone on the deep end of arrogance.

>"Your shit is not my shit, so its stooopid"
>"how dare you ask me questions about my magic system D:<"
>"ha! you can't provide evidence to my excessive demands! that means i win!"
>bu-bu-but i can't provide evidence to my OWN excessive needs! that's stupid, it can't be proved!"
>"but prove yours, retard!"

god, you are pathetic.

but go ahead and find a way for your dumb, arrogant ass to somehow think this is a win on your end...your ego clearly cannot take a loss, even on an anonymous messaging board

>"bu-bu-but that's what you are doing right now, dumbass!"
incorrect, i'm trolling an arrogant man for mocking a belief system.

>>40543860
... ???
who tf are you even talking to? lmao
jfc i change my mind. the other anon is more reasonable
just look at you blabbering greentext, bro

How do I transfer my bad karma to someone else as a curse?

>>40543910
Write down every bad thing you've ever done and burn the paper. You could do this bit by bit every day or all in one shot. Be sure to save the ash from the paper you burn. Next, you can either slip the ash in some food and offer it to the person you intend to transfer your "bad karma" to. I think of this as the unwitting sin-eater operation.

>>40543933
>Next, you can either...
Or? Did you forget something else?

>>40543951
Oh, snap! You can either put the ash in food or drink and offer it to the person. OR, you take a bit of their hair or nail clippings etc, write their name on a little paper effigy, and then put all that with the ash into a little coffin. It would be best if you timed doing that with the person's birthday.

>>40543933
that would be considered food tampering and, if caught, would put you in prison. just a heads up...

>>40543990
.. get caught doing what? This is a hypothetical discussion. Are you really that evil or stupid that you do everything you read online?

>>40543933
>>40543980
I actually like these. Could I pair it with moon phases? It would make nice visuals for the graphic novel I'm working on.

Used to live alone until I lost my job. Had no choice but to move back in with my mother. She's always been authoritarian—controlling, critical—and I've always valued my independence. Living under her roof again is mentally draining, but I had no income and had to survive off my savings for several months.

I recently found work again, but the situation still feels unstable. Renting a new place seems like a risk; if I lose this job again, I’ll be right back where I started. I don’t live in the U.S., so the idea of living out of an RV or something similar isn't viable here. Housing prices are insane, like in most places now. Buying a home feels completely out of reach through conventional means.

I'm not a seasoned magician or anything like that, but I’ve been studying the Goetia at my own pace. Slowly collecting the tools and ingredients. My first instinct was to petition Bune for the money to buy a house—but I realized that was a reckless and vague request. Money could come from anywhere. An accident? My mother dying? Not acceptable.

So I narrowed it down: the only direct and fast path I could think of that doesn’t involve someone suffering is winning the lottery. I know how that sounds. Maybe it’s naive, maybe it’s a cliché. But I’ve written a contract. Tried to word it as carefully as I could. Still thinking through it.

I’m posting here to ask: has anyone here had actual results asking for something like this—winning the lottery—from Bune or any spirit in the Ars Goetia? Do they actually deliver something like that? Or is this just another trap of blind hope?


If anyone has firsthand experience with this kind of petition—or has advice beyond “lol just get a better job”—I’d appreciate hearing it. Not here to LARP. Just tired of being stuck and looking for a way forward.

>>40544044
Tough shit, brotherman. You're gonna have to larp when doing any magic.
But the tldr is this: it's just more hopium. You're not likely to win the lottery with magic.

>>40544024
Sure. Like a works of decrease/ works of increase? That could work.

>>40544044
The way I think of it, your life is probably shit because you have bad karma and were probably an asshole or bitch in your past life. Maybe instead of doing magic to win the lottery, you should work on becoming a better human being instead of a shit one.

Why are there people deliberately griefing this thread by reposting flamebait? Does /omg/ have resident schizos that try to kill threads?

>>40544210
it would be strange if it didn't

>>40544210
Always. Just ignore them.

>>40544217
Perhaps? I just don't get why.

>>40544210
I dunno, dude. A bit of shapeshifting musical chairs is entertaining.
It shows metaphysical agility.

Has anyone ever extracted Vajrayana techniques out without any of the Buddhist stuff? I've been wondering if it was possible. I don't even intend to replace it with some other religious framework like Jesus-anity or whatever. Just the techniques.

>>40544210
I'm new. What are the flame-bait topics for this general?

>>40542293
please stop being dumb

>>40542737
you should wash your hands more often

>>40544714
pretty much anything

>>40544097
>Have an idea that you disagree with
>instead of just arguing your position (honest, but requires a brain), you dishonestly present the position you disagree with in a stupid way
Not only is karma more than reincarnation shit, its also not the only thing that can make your life shitty.
The Material plane is fucking famously unfair.

>>40544424
>I've been wondering if it was possible
I have no background in Vajrayana, but it probably is. When there is a will, there is a way. Besides, I doubt there is that much Buddhist stuff involved specifically with magical practices. Core doctrines don't affect ritual setup, and divine names are fine to use either way.

>>40544424
Isn't Bon the origin of a lot of Vajrayana techniques anyway, you should check that out

Things that you just know, but can't quite explain?

I'll start: People with scorpion and eight house placements in their birth chart are circumcised.

>>40544044
Go to /adv/.

>>40544926
>another garbled greentext

>>40544741
>>40544776
>more pain, anger and misery

You guys! I just won a free car battery! It has to be all the good karma I've accrued! I'd like to thank my mom and dad for being rich and giving birth to me an only one other child. I'd also like to thank all the rich friends we had who took me under their wing and taught me everything they know about meditation and the Dalai Lama. Thanks everyone.

>>40544926
>uh huh... yeah... because that other anon ***totally*** wasn't baiting and doing the same.

>>40545270
>>40545292
you (or both of you) are one (or two) angry little elf (or elves).

>>40545306
Lmao bro, check your own attitude first

>>40545292
Yeah... kinda felt like bait

>>40545270
you cant stop can you

>obviously can't stop himself either
I love being being born already rich. Magic and mysticism is so much easier.

>>40545306
¿ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?
all you gotta do now is accuse me of developer tools fuckery
and then your ingloriousness will be complete

>>40545471
okay, so you use both your computer and phone to post. not all that special to post a screenshot, everyone knows that troll trick.

People is still feeding the Karma troll? This is why post 2016 4chan sucks

>>40545523
>his ingloriousness is over 9000
heh?? im on a raspberry pi linux fuckmaster500
i can't be bothered to also be on a phone lol..

>>40545536
is it really feeding him, if we are intentionally doing it to mock their responses?

>>40545626
Yes

>>40545626
>we are intentionally doing it to mock their responses
>we
That's such a cop out. You just end up mocking yourself. And it's not like this buffoonery has been a one way street.

I think I just got thread banned even though I didn't do anything at all.

>>40545704
>message went through anyway
Okay that's fucking weird since my quality post was denied like 7 times and I got a different block message than the word filter one.

>>40545711
Were you in incognito mode or something? What was the post? Any image?

>>40545735
I always use incognito mode, it's not a problem. I was just gonna post about astrological magic books I have been reading lately. There was a wojak image before, which I have posted in the past. Maybe after the 4chan hack they changed something in the file filter and the image code doesn't go through anymore - that's my best guess.

>>40545747
Hmm. I just recently switched to Brave. Only been posting png, jpg and gif. So I don't know what could be going on on your side. But I remember being unable to post images while incognito in Chrome.

tidy up your goddamn altar, stupid

>>40546238
My altar only has a mirror on it. There is nothing further to do.

if anyone here is curious about frater vd's elusive ice magic, check out >>40545200

if anyone here is curious about frater vd's elusive ice magic, check out >>40544754

I'm going to bed now, but I'll talk about some of the books I have been reading tomorrow.
Don't burn this place down while I am away.

>>40546238
Anybody else feel like they get guided by OCD impulses when doing stuff with their altar?

Magic forums are so shit man.

Can anyone explain the following, and also point me to a source to understand Astrology?
>when Sol, Mercury, and Venus are transiting their respective decans of Virgo, with Mercury's residence at any point of that sign being useful, as are the observations of the days and hours of Sol, Mercury, and Venus when the Sun is in the Southern Quarter and Virgo is on the Midheaven. The Moon's transits with the above decans are also beneficial when she is forming aspects with their governors, while her position in the thirteenth and fourteenth manzils can be of use if no such aspects are formed.

"Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater,
Had a wife and couldn't keep her.
He put her in a peanut shell;
Then he kept her very well.

This early authentic text of the Hinayana School of Buddhism is much esteemed even to-day by the more cultured and devoted followers of that school.

The pumpkin is of course the symbol of resurrection, as is familiar to all students of the story of Jonah and the gourd.

Peter is therefore the Arahat who has put an end to his series of resurrections. That he is called Peter is a reference to the symbolizing of Arahats as stones in the great wall of the guardians of mankind. His wife is of course (by the usual symbolism) his body, which he could not keep until he put her in a peanut shell, the yellow robe of a Bhikkhu.

Buddha said that if any man became an Arahat he must either take the vows of a Bhikkhu that very day, or die, and it is this saying of Buddha's that the unknown poet wished to commemorate."

>>40550330
Where did you find this convoluted shit? Seems like some kind of medieval Arabic source. I can more or less make out what it means but these kinds of conditions are basically impossible to "explain" or understand in a logical manner. What is the context and the aim here?
>point me to a source to understand Astrology
The pastebin in the OP is actually pretty good, but you might need to supplement your studies with practical materials too, like workbooks or courses. There are many branches in astrology, so it is probably best to start with what you need and then branch out from there. For magic, electional and secondarily horary are more useful than natal. Keep in mind that magical rituals themselves can also have their own special electional rules. There's also mundane astrology.
As for the passage you posted, this is my interpretation:
You need the Sun in the first ten degrees of Virgo (Solar decan), and Venus in the second ten degrees. Mercury should preferably be in the last ten degrees of Virgo, but being anywhere in Virgo is also fine. (Keep in mind that the first ten degrees are 0-9'59'', then 10-19'59'', and 20-29'59'').
It is hard to comment on the days/hours because I don't know what the "observations" are; generally each planet rules 1 day of the week and the planets also rule different hours throughout the day, so this may be a multi-day ritual (?). The meaning of "Virgo on the midheaven" can vary depending on the source, but it most likely means that the MC (meridian midheaven) is in Virgo. Not sure what it means for the Sun to be in the Southern Quarter; since the Sun has to be in Virgo and Virgo has to be on the midheaven, its house position would have to be in the tenth house or adjacent, and its zodiacal position would be in, well, Virgo. I can't think of anything else that would determine the location of the Sun.
Continuing.

>>40550330
The condition for the Moon seems to be separate from the previous conditions, and refers to an alternative form of doing this election/s, where the Moon is transiting an individual decan and makes an aspect to the planet that rules the decan (so Sun, Venus, or Mercury). The nature of the aspect may be important depending on the source, and also on the nature of the election. I also feel that this clarifies some of the earlier stuff - if the Moon being in one decan and applying to one lord is sufficient, then presumably the previous decans are also individual conditions. So, any of the three planets being in its decan works for the ritual, and in that case the ritual would be staged for that specific planet, in that planet's planetary day and hour; the planet should probably be on the midheaven (certainly the sign at least should be there). This however means that the "Southern Quarter" thing may actually be an independent, important condition, and I don't really know what it means.
A final version of the election is provided, in which the ritual can be performed when the Moon is in what I assume to be the 13th and 14th Arabic mansions of the moon (though maybe a manzil is something else entirely). In this version, the Moon does not need to aspect any of the three planets.
The three versions of the ritual seem to be ranked according to strength, with the first being most preferable, and the last being least powerful.

>>40550330
>>40550660
>>40550690
I should say, I would have preferred if you had posted a little bit more context, since this seems relatively clear now, but it didn't look that way when I first looked at it because the quotation starts off mid-sentence.
The rules followed here are basic planetary dignities, rulerships and dynamism. The planets rule various sections of the Zodiac, and here the dignities being used seem to be decans, signs (in the case of Mercury), and mansions (in the case of the Moon). These make the planet more powerful and able to create good and great things. Placing the planet on the Midheaven also makes it very active and dynamic, and means it actually makes the great things it is able to do. The petition rituals (I assume those are petition rituals given the lack of context) are set during those electoins, so long as it is also the planetary day and planetary hour of the relevant planet (four options are given).
Once again, I am not sure what the Southern Quarter stuff means. But the rest seems relatively intuitive and obeys basic rules of astrology (dignity and angularity) and magic (planetary days and hours). My initial thought was that the decan conditions were all required simultaneously which would be an incredibly impractical and obscure way of doing things, and would be impossible for me to break down the logic of such a requirement.

What do you guys use your magic for?
I use mine for money, health and spiritual power, mainly.

>>40548848
aww, c'mon, that was a serious question...

>>40550718
It's about the best astrological situations to work woth a spirit called Parthas from the Stella Daemonum Daemonum

>>40550718
Also the only thing i managed to understand was sunday, on Sun hour, during the first decan of Virgo (last part of august)

>>40548848
>>40550911
yaar bro.. so ocd. much spookie.

>>40550945
>>40550950
>Also the only thing i managed to understand was sunday, on Sun hour, during the first decan of Virgo (last part of august)
My explanation didn't help at all? How familiar are you with astrology? Do you know the basics of a chart, like signs, planets, houses, aspects, important points like ASC and MC?
What you said would indeed work with the Sun option for the first method, so long as the Sun is also culminating on the midheaven (MC). I am not sure how practical that would be, though - depending on the context or the method outlined in the rest of the book, there maybe a choice offered between using the planetary hour and planetary day; this would certainly be easier than using both AND an astrological election. In fact, I just looked it up and a part of Skinner's foreword to the book suggests that the author Crowhurst has attributed specific days and hours to the spirit themselves, not necessarily following the typical astrological magic model. The same paragraph also suggests that the "quarters" thing is likewise a concept introduced by Crowhurst.
I obviously haven't read the book, but at a glance it seems to me that the author tries to straddle the line between goetic magic and astrological magic, which personally I am not a huge fan of. Astrological magic typically works with intelligences and archangelic spirits, and Goetia with sublunary ones. Trying to mix these two does not sound right to me. I think if you are well versed in astrology, or have the necessary knowledge and tools for traditional Goetic magic, you may be better served picking one of the two instead of this, IMHO.

>>40551295
Well, all that i managed to understand from the text.

I'm fairly new, i didn't cared much besides planetary hours and days. I don't understand the midheaven thing (because apparently on the internet is only used for the astral chart of your birthday, so I don't know when will Virgo be on midheaven

The thing about the sun on south quarters thing think it means after mid day? So, not going for the first planetary hour but the second one around 1pm?

>>40551251
A-are the skull and bones... r-real...

>>40551324
To give an example, here is a chart I cast for New York City.
This is a Sunday, the planetary day of the Sun. The Sun is in the 1st decan of Virgo, and both the Sun and Virgo are culminating (the Sun is on the MC). You can see two important points in the chart that I have marked out - where it says "ASC" on the left at 20 degrees Scorpio, is the ascendant, which in real terms is the Eastern horizon where the Sun rises from. The MC is the highest point of elevation in the sky, right at the top and the centre of the sky. This should check off the requirements for the sun option of the first method, EXCEPT for the planetary hour - as you can see, the Sun planetary hour is from 14:06 until 15:13, and the Sun is culminating only briefly around 13:00. However, the quotation you posted asks only that Virgo is on the Midheaven (rather than the Sun, as it would typically be in astrological magic). So if we roll the chart to 14:10, Virgo would still be on the Midheaven (with the MC being at 21 degrees), and the ascendant would be 4 degrees of Sagittarius. The election window would end at 14:42 which is when the Midheaven passes into the sign of Libra. This adjusted version should, in theory, work, assuming that the "southern quarter" thing is in order. Speaking of which, have you read all the instructions in this book, or are you just scrolling through the spirit catalogues? Because, as I mentioned, in Skinner's forward there is the suggestion that Crowhurst develops his own concept of quarters, which you would presumably need to learn in order to use his system.
Make sure to double check also the planetary days and hours, and if they are linked to the planets as they normally would be, or to the spirits in the catalogues.

>>40551329
Lol that's Ape's altar from wayback when he posted it and got assblasted when some anon said it was very etsy esthetics.
I mean... there's definitely legal ways you can buy actual human bones in the US. Not sure about everywhere else.

>>40551394
Then I guess Ape is a little bit more syncretic than I expected. Vajrayana stuff makes sense, but the Egyptian statues, the effigy and the bones are a bit of a strange choice. I can't comment on the wheel in the centre but it looks a little bit modern to me too, so maybe from Wicca or a related tradition.
>I mean... there's definitely legal ways you can buy actual human bones in the US.
I probably wouldn't. Although it is a bit trippy when I see preserved ancient skeletons at museums. In theory, those bones still have a certain measure of power and virtue. Strange to think they are publicly exhibited just like that.

>>40551458
Lololol... that same anon shat on Ape's kangling and canopic jar remix. Ah... good times, good times...
Hypothetically, there's _some_ magical value in making a calling trumpet from the bones of your glorious dead.

>>40551458
that stuff on the wheel looks vaguely "icelandic"
also vaguely veve... "veve-gly"?

>>40551375
Thanks, yes the book has a preamble of Astrology from which I didn't understood too much except the moon manzanils thing

>>40551557
You should definitely look into the quarters thing to make sure you have the correct definition and understanding of it.

>>40551251
Okay, you say that, and you're taking the piss, but then in your picture, I wonder what the thought was behind the two little bones and circular thing in the bottom right corner of the raised table.

>>40551623
I might be wrong but I think that's actually two rolled up banknotes (maybe an offering) and possibly the silver sigil of a Goetic demon. But I don't know Ape and IDK if he even did Goetic magic.

>>40540139 (OP)
Where did ape go? Anyway. Anybody here know of a knowledgeable monk or sangha that answer questions via email? Sadly bhante vimalaramsy died so, as a teacher, he's not accessible anymore.

>>40551687
Also, I wonder if moldovite bro is around here somewhere? If you are, then drop a hello, its been years since we last talked

>>40551623
>>40551629
you're gonna have to ask ape (piss be upon him)
in seriousness though, i never hated the guy

>>40551546
>Ve-vegvisir

>>40552023
hoh... clever, very clever

>>40551394
>Lol that's Ape's altar from wayback when he posted it and got assblasted when some anon said it was very etsy esthetics.
kek

>>40551251
Literally what is all this LARP shit for? At the end of the what was "Ape" able to do that my normie neighbor next door can't do?
He still ages, has to work a job, pay taxes, gets taken down by one fist punch to the face, takes a shit daily and his ego was fragile as fuck resulting in him having sperg outs and mud fights with anons all the time.

It's literally just an elaborate LARP.

Are mystical experiences in dreams useful or do dreams in general prevent us from engaging with our inner self? Not too long ago I read some guy saying he has to withdraw his awareness from the dream state in order to achieve meditative trance and access astral projection etc. Does that mean that dream experience prevent you from training the energy body for their duration?

>>40552082
eh... idk, man. i'm at that stage in life where even mundane routine feels like a larp
magic and mysticism simply feel like another extension of it
also rip pee sixleaf (piss be upon herhim)

>>40552116
>also rip pee sixleaf (piss be upon herhim)
hahahah

>reading De Quindecim Stellis be like

>>40552360
Half hewn?

>>40552377
It just starts kind of boring and then picks up in Book 2. I am actually interested in fixed star magic now, there's some really cool options that are not available with just planetary talismans. Although making some of these fixed star talismans may require creativity. The appropriate material for Algol, for example, is diamond. It's not even possible to engrave that stuff, much less during a relatively brief election window. Not to mention the cost.

>>40552509
Can't you pair the diamond with an appropriate metal, and engrave whatever image on that metal instead?

>>40552542
Yeah, I was thinking of doing something similar - it doesn't seem to be common practice, but I was thinking of making a multi-part talisman, consisting of a gem, a metal plate (bearing the inscriptions), a herb, and a box. If I can think of anything else, I may even add more stuff. This might make the talisman slightly cumbersome, but it should make it powerful and also allow me to buy extremely small gemstones. This is important particularly when it comes to using extremely expensive materials like diamond. I could probably do something similar with metal as well, such as using iron plates and attaching gold elements to them, since inscribing on gold plates would be unaffordable.

>>40552082
Magick is just a religion where you play the worshipper, the priest, and the god

>>40552561
Well, a multipart talisman doesn't necessarily have to be clunky. A potentially gauche solution would be to encapsulate all finished materials in polished and suitably shaped resin. But I'm sure an experienced artisan can conjure more graceful fashion to mind.

>>40552804
Resin is not a bad idea. I have seen at least one person use gorilla glue to preserve and attach a herb to a stone, lol. I think I like the idea of using a small box though, it would still end up fairly compact and depending on how easy it is to work the materials, it may even be possible to make it look beautiful. For example, while this is way outside my ability to produce, take a look at this (seemingly Vajrayana) ritual box. Something along those lines would probably be nice to keep, and may even be okay to carry around in a bag or a pocket.

>>40552848
Picrel would be the perfect combination of corresponding wood, metal, gemstone and image. You could manageably minimize the size to just about the dimensions of a snuff box. In other appropriate projects, this could take the shape of a knife, a pen, etc.

>>40552879
Hmm, good point, I could probably use wood. I would just have to do some research on working it and processing it properly, I want the box to be nice and smooth. My initial thought was using iron or tin, or maybe brass. But a wood is probably fine too.
I'd have to research if the fixed stars rule any trees, though. I have only seen that stuff for the planets. May end up not being a problem though, fixed stars tend to have the nature of one or more planets, so as long as I pick a tree governed by at least one of the constituent planetary natures, the fixed star should have at least partial rulership IMO.

Has anyone here had any success invoking a deity, in whatever way?

What does this arrangement imply about the paths / spheres on the tree as it is typically represented? Working backwards, since Atzilut is across the abyss, it seems to say that once the Keter of Yetzirah is reached, you touch Malkuth of Atzilut, and therefore must have crossed the abyss in some sense. The first path to cross from Briah to Atzilut in the typical arrangement on the tree is 18, from Geburah to Binah. But if Keter of a lower world corresponds to Tiferet of a higher world, wouldn't it make more sense for the first path to cross the abyss to originate from Tifieret (on the typical tree)?

>>40553888
I don't know the words, but what the configuration suggests to me is a further sequence of planes higher than the Astral and Mental.

So like, If you existed in the astral, the "Tiphereth" would become your "Malkuth", and thus what was previously "Kether" from the perspective of the material is now "Tiphereth" in the relative sense.

Or in other words, from the Material, "Beauty" is a light from above, but not the most-high light.
But then from WITHIN the Astral, "Beauty/Harmony" becomes the "Malkuth" of your existence, with Kether existing as the "closer light from above", while some still-yet-higher light would be implied as your "relative Kether".

Not to say that's how the universe works, that's just what the image says to me.

Do people still do traditional water vessel scrying or is that not a thing anymore?

Has anyone here read this in part or in full? I picked up the first volume a long time ago, but got filtered. Thinking of going through the full thing this time.

>>40553790
Invoking a deity is not what you think.

A deity invocation ritual is the bornless one.

Another alternative way is through religion. In the case of Christianity, the spiritual exercises by St Ignatius of loyola serve to do the same. Both approaches do the same but the ritual is just for a specific time, the other one is for a more permanent state.

The goal of the invocation is to feel the deity inside you, get it's presence in the moment (or permanently) and understand the way it interacts with your life in the case of the second kind of method (long time comunion and meditation)

>>40540139 (OP)
Is it necessary to become associated with an AA order? Or do we actually have enough information available to do it ourselves?
I have been into apostate tier armchair thelema for a few years now but I feel like it's time to double down or get off the pot.
As always, "I don't know where to start but this time actually start for real"
Can't do college of thelema because eternal dropout status

Do I just go it alone and hope it works out?

>>40558440
>Is it necessary to become associated with an AA order?
Necessary or no, what's stopping you anyway?

>>40559489
60 hour work weeks and genuinely not wanting to disappoint the previous link in the chain
This and I forget which are legitimate and don't know if email correspondences due to living *days of driving* away from any lodge structures I know about.
I want "read x ,do y, report z and I will provide feedback"

anyone practice yoga?

So it's me again. Trying to understand this
>(Suchay's) Her predominant traits reveal her main planetary influences to be those
of Mars, Venus, and Mercury, and it is the transits of these planets through
the Airy, Watery, and Western decans of Libra, Aquarius, Gemini, and Scorpio mentioned above that are most relevant to her. Also important are the times when the Moon forms aspects with those planets from those decans, especially trines formed with Mercury in Cancer and Mars in Pisces—during the days and hours of those planets when Libra, Aquarius, Gemini, or Scorpio is on the Descendant. In addition to these aspects, other significant positions are the twenty-fifth Lunar Mansion, Al Sa'd al Ahbiyah, between 8°34′ and 21°25′ Aquarius, which destroys enemies and
hinders the actions of the body, and the sixth Lunar Mansion, Al Han'ah, between 4°17′ and 17°08′ Gemini, which hinders the operations of the physician and can be used to create talismans that bring love.

So, Venus enters Gemini next month, and I guess the second decan is the watery one, that means around the middle of the month. In Friday and during the hour of Venus.

bump

>>40559907
If you are too far, I am not sure this would work t b h. Maybe try long distance online stuff if they offer any.
>>40560041
>So, Venus enters Gemini next month, and I guess the second decan is the watery one, that means around the middle of the month.
Your guess is as good as mine because typically the decans are not attributed elemental qualities AFAIK. Look for any decan elemental tables or descriptions in the book you are reading, if there aren't any listed, you will need to do research but I don't think you will find anything.

Are there any good YouTube channels that share comfy and practical insights into the occult?

>>40562296
Rufus Opus has been putting a load of live videos up recently. If you care he's bipolar and a probably dry alcoholic, but he's pretty chill and does some good work if you don't mind some rambling.

>>40540139 (OP)
Is doing a Gemini ritual worth it/valid until sunrise? I wanted to do something for every zodiac season for the 12 steps of alchemy and I did it for the previous ones, but I got so drained throughout the entirety of Gemini period I fell out of magic for the month

>>40563670
The whole point here is entirely for the 3rd stage of 12th of alchemy, yeah I missed out on my chance to make the most of this month magically but at least I hope I can continue with the project

>>40563670
It'll be another full day before the Sun moves into Cancer, so I don't see why not?

Thoughts on New Avatar Power?

>>40564993
Lol my granduncle had one of the old copies. Thing was chock full of "testimonials". It reminded me of old school self-improvement books where everyone's last name was just an initial. Bits of Golden Dawn, Eliphas Levi, spurious uses of godnames. This thing is kinda like the Simonomicon. Most people will experience nothing, some people will experience spooky feels, and a few will swear by its efficacy. I'm somewhere in the middle of the first two groups. Captcha: RAGM8

What’s Satyr up to these days?

>>40544210
Who are the /x/ haters that are on /x/ all the time hating on all the /x/ topics in all the /x/ general threads? Who knows? Why are they on /x/ when they don't believe in /x/? Who knows?

>>40540838
Absolutely. An entire balcony garden; 4 o'clocks, morning glories, carpet of snow, lavender, marigolds, mint, basil, and azaleas.

I also have an absurd amount of plants indoors. Not sure what I want to do with them magically though.

Anyone here skilled at using magic squares?
I am really intrigued by their ability to create sigils, but I am not very familiar with how they work.

>>40566000
>trips
>but they mean absolutely nothing in a magic square
sucks for you

How do I best start with magic of the more left handed variety ?
Also does anyone know how to make contact with Lucifer or any sources on luciferianism ?

i want to achieve might and power

>>40566604
Try JSK's True Grimoire and Geosophia, Peterson's Grimorium Verum and De Secretis and Huson's Mastering Witchcraft. Avoid S. Connolly and anything using enns.

>>40567453
Thanks anon

>>40567453
Goetia of Dr rudd and Techniques of solomonic magick by Stephen skinner

Aleister's Crowley Illustrated Goetia by Lon Milo Duquette

Where or how was Bartholomew/Nathaniel tempted by Astaroth? This is useful for me since I can write his name on the circle when Evoking her

>>40568591
Can you explain your rationale?

>>40570051
I want a source on this. Apparently someone thinks that ST Bartholomew is the Saint that is adversarial to Astaroth

>>40571180
That whole fucking article needs more citations.
And then there's this gobbledygook
https://www.nasscal.com/e-clavis-christian-apocrypha/passion-of-bartholomew/
Which fucking "Indians"?

>>40571180
Well, if for whatever reason you need a "thwarting" counterpart to a demon, there's always Reuchlin's pairings of angel and demons together with the accompanying psalm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shem_HaMephorash#Reuchlin's_angels_of_the_Shem_HaMephorash

>>40571362
I know that. But as kids says this days: I resonate more with saints (?)

so i'm guessing you guys got bored of this general again or something

It's the solstice- anyone up to anything? I'm going to start work on an Orcus casket from S Aldernay's Tools of Avernus.

is astrology just seasonal? does it fall apart in the southern hemisphere?

what do you do if you're more Hippolytus than Adonis?

>>40540139 (OP)
A few threads ago there as an anon working on astrological talisman, saying that he was going to make prayers (iirc) to the planets, said he took the Warnock course.
Still around anon? Wanted to know how it went.
If anyone is familiar with astrological talismans, I'm curious in how do you determine a good time to make them, I know you should have the planet in a good position (exaltation or domicile), but are the midheaven and the ascendant important?

Any framework that allows me to pray without buying into Abrahamism?

>>40575321
You can pray to any deity.

I'm Catholic just because other deities to me are just mythology, not religion, but you can choose whatever

>>40573269
I did two rituals with candles and incense using the Orphic hymns. The first was when the Sun was at 00'00'' Cancer and the second one at the crack of dawn. I was considering a noontime ritual as well, but ended up not doing it. Also sent off the sun with a humbler prayer at sunset.
I mostly intended this as a celebratory ritual, honouring the Sun, but I did end up making a bunch of requests anyway. Ritual definitely seems effective, since I had an energy response to it and the incense. Also, after I did my Sun rituals, the scorching heat stopped bothering me, which I thought was an interesting coincidence.
>>40573424
You can safely use tropical astrology in the southern hemisphere. The system may have been constructed with the northern hemisphere in mind, but it works the same way for the people I know from the southern hemisphere that I have done readings for. There are probably some stranger things about tropical astrology there, though - for example, a lot of Capricorn's significations are based on the fact that it is the winter solstice. But in the southern hemisphere, it is the summer solstice. Still, it works, and I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

>>40573656
>Still around anon? Wanted to know how it went.
I am still around, yes. Although I haven't made any talismans yet, though the election dates are coming up very soon.
I did a Mercury petition ritual without making a talisman. I got results immediately, literally within a couple of hours. However, past the first couple of days, the effects were reduced to nothing. I think there are two reasons for this:
1. I chose the incorrect time. Due to my background in natal astrology, I overlooked the fact that Mercury was combust (because this wouldn't normally be a problem when Mercury is in Gemini, at least in natal astrology). When reviewing Warnock's list of conditions, I realised that this was a big no-no after the fact.
2. Judging from what some other people are saying, petition rituals work very quickly but are more suitable for a short, intense intervention. For long term effects, talismans seem to be preferred.
>I'm curious in how do you determine a good time to make astrological talismans
It's pretty similar to traditional electional astrology. There is also a simpler and a more complex method given by Warnock. Here's a list of factors:
- Essential dignity and no debilities
- Angularity
- No bad aspects (applies to the Moon too, you also want the Moon to be aspecting the relevant planet)
- Correct planetary hour
Unpacking this can be a long story, but I'll try to do a lightning round. So for a Mercury talisman, we want Mercury to have a score of +4 points; domicile and exaltation are sufficient for this. However, you can also use triplicity + term (+3 and +2, pushing us to +5 total). So if you elect a night chart with Mercury in Aquarius, in the bound of Mercury, that would also in theory work for a Mercury talisman (though I think I will stick to domicile/exaltation). However even then you have to avoid debilities like combustion, very slow planetary speed, or retrogradation.
Ran out of characters. Continuing.

>>40573656
You also need to avoid hard aspects. So, Mercury square Moon is bad. Mercury square Saturn is even worse. You want soft aspects in your talisman elections (so for example, in the night chart Aquarius Mercury example I gave, we want an applying sextile between the Moon and Mercury (within orb), and maybe the next aspect after that to be an applying sextile between Mercury and Saturn (reception in Aquarius).
In addition, you need to get the planet on the correct angle at the right planetary hour, which can be a challenge. Warnock seems to use any angle (including DSC and IC), but I don't think that makes any sense symbolically, so I think you should aim to put the planet on the ASC or MC only. In the night chart Mercury talisman example we mentioned it would not even be possible to do the consecration at the Midheaven because Mercury's movement is locked to that of the Sun, so we would need to use the Ascendant only and even then we would need a good deal of luck to match Mercury's dignity, distance from the Sun, condition, aspects and alignment with the ASC to the correct planetary hour.
The South Node and the star Algol can also introduce debilities that invalidate an election. For example, when Venus gets to around 28 degrees Taurus in about a week or two, it would still have the dignity for an election, but it would be conjunct Algol. Which is a big no-no.
Maybe this sounds pretty complex, but if you study astrology it's not that bad. It's just a chore getting all the factors together at the same time.
Don't forget also to check out Agrippa for the correct materials, sigils and images to engrave.
You can also read Warnock's books directly for a better explanation of this. Try his two "secrets" books, and also his Celestial Priest book. Add De Imaginibus if you want to make house-based talismans (more complex, but personally I find it easier to elect them since they don't usually rely on planetary hours AFAIK).

>>40575321
Have you really never heard of Hinduism or Taoism or any other other religion besides the three Abrahamic ones?

>>40576630
>>40576689
>I did a Mercury petition ritual without making a talisman
How do you make a petition? Orphic hymn and prayer?
>talismans
What tool are you using to see all this stuff?
Let's take the venus talisman in question, I've seen on astro - com that Venus will be in taurus (good), has no square with anything, the Moon will be in Leo (neutral?), but I don't see data on Algol.
For what I could search online it is not combust.
Besides this what you mean with "planet on the correct angle"?
Don't worry, I'll start the big Warnock course soon, I just wanted to make this one talisman good.

>>40576689
>>40576630
Thought about it for a while, if you can tell me which lessons from Warnock big course that would make it quicker for me to gather info on talisman creation.

>>40579374
>How do you make a petition? Orphic hymn and prayer?
I used the Harranian invocations given by Warnock, but the Orphic Hymns work too. They are very powerful.
>What tool are you using to see all this stuff?
I use astro-seek, it has very good UI. If you scroll down on the traditional chart, there are options to open new tabs for fixed stars, etc. But honestly, Algol is at like 28 Taurus and it's the only undisplayed thing to keep track of, so it's not hard to remember.
If the Moon is in Leo, it will either be squaring Venus or not aspecting it, which is not what we want for a Venus talisman.
>For what I could search online it is not combust.
Just for completeness' sake, Warnock's definition is "less than 8.5 degrees away from the Sun".
>Besides this what you mean with "planet on the correct angle"?
Four angles in the chart, ASC, MC, DSC, IC. I think only the ASC and MC make symbolic sense. So you want to have the planet on one of these two angles, while it is also the correct planetary hour. This can be a challenge.
>Don't worry, I'll start the big Warnock course soon, I just wanted to make this one talisman good.
I may or may not be able to help out with the design for it, if you would like.
The course is solid, but I don't think it's necessary T B H. The books I mentioned will give you all the necessary content anyway. The only things you won't find in the books will be his reference tables for planetary rulerships, which are available for free on his website anyway, lol. Check this link, and also the Cornelius Agrippa sidebar where the links to the other planetary pages are given.
https://www.renaissanceastrology.com/agrippasaturn.html
>>40579701
>Thought about it for a while, if you can tell me which lessons from Warnock big course that would make it quicker for me to gather info on talisman creation.
Depends on how much you know and what you want to make.
Lessons 2, 6, 13 and maybe also 11 would be the shortest possible set of lessons to read.

>>40579748
More than on the design I was thinking about the timing, I was considering the 28 of this month, but as you said the moon is in square.
Now I'm considering the 4 of July (moon squared with mercury should not concern us, right?), which is a Friday, of course in the first hour.
But in that case Venus is far away both from the ASC and the MC... fuck.
For the design I was thinking of Agrippa, meaning: sigil of the intelligence and of the planet, plus normal symbol of the planet, basically stuff you see in Book 2, chapter 22.

>>40579810
I meant that I can help with the election too, although I would need to know the goal of the talisman and also your town.
>Now I'm considering the 4 of July (moon squared with mercury should not concern us, right?), which is a Friday, of course in the first hour.
I thought so too, but according to Warnock neither the relevant planet nor the Moon must make any hard aspects, so no squares, no oppositions, and also no conjunctions with harmful or debilitated planets.
>>40579810
>For the design I was thinking of Agrippa, meaning: sigil of the intelligence and of the planet, plus normal symbol of the planet, basically stuff you see in Book 2, chapter 22.
Sigil of intelligence is a fine choice, I will use that one too. I also recommend that you design an actual image though, instead of just using th e Venus symbol (by which I assume you mean the "mirror of Venus").
There are various images described in Agrippa's text, for various purposes. You can also design your own, depending on the goal of the talisman.
I should also point out that we are relatively late into the Taurus Venus transit, so if you are looking for a Venus talisman, the election window in your location may have even passed already. In my city, there is just one election window during the whole transit.

>>40579878
The purpose is simply to find a good partner and love for myself.
The symbols I was meaning are pic related so I'm clear.
For the image what you recommend?
>Warnock neither the relevant planet nor the Moon must make any hard aspects, so no squares, no oppositions
Uhh, hard.
I found: 1 july (venus hour), Moon in trine with Venus, but it's far away from MC.
Basically for what I saw it's the last good opportunity, would I recommend I avoid this time since it's not close to the MC or does it simply make the work a bit less efficacious?
Well if I miss the Venus timing I'll look up the Jupiter timing, for what I saw in August it should stop being square with Saturn.

>>40579959
Will you have space for all of these? What material are you using, and how will you process it? Are you engraving a stone?
Here are some examples of images on real talismans:
https://www.renaissanceastrology.com/silvervenustalisman.html
https://www.renaissanceastrology.com/venusexampletalisman.html
The source is given in the description. one is from the Picatrix IIRC, the other one from Agrippa.
>I found: 1 july (venus hour), Moon in trine with Venus, but it's far away from MC.
If Venus is not on an angle, the election is pointless.
A general rule that will be very useful: planets that are in their domicile or exaltation have very high quality energy, but the planets on the angles have the highest quantity of energy. Venus in Taurus means good quality love energy, but you need a lot of it too in order to make the talisman strong. If, instead, Venus is very far from the angles, and you have Saturn or Mars very close to the angles, that totally changes the predominating energy in the talisman.
If there is no good time window for a Venus talisman now, you could look for a Venus Libra election later this year. Or, you could try to loosen the requirements - for example, you can try to make a talisman set during Venus hour but with Venus on the DSC or IC instead of the ASC/MC. I don't think it makes any conceptual sense, but Warnock has made some of these, and maybe they work. You can test it out, if you are determined to make something now. But having the planet on an angle and using the right planetary hour are a must.

>>40580045
I'm engraving a copper sheet, it's pretty big, I'm think I'll be able to put all of those on, given how detailed is the image I think I'll put the image of the woman you linked on the back.
>If Venus is not on an angle, the election is pointless.
Ok I think I get what you mean regarding type and quantity of energy, thanks, now it makes sense.
Well I'll try the next Libra later on I guess, got more time to study up.
Now thinking about it... how the fuck am I supposed to wear it, it's a 4 inches sheet of copper.

>>40580057
>I'm engraving a copper sheet, it's pretty big, I'm think I'll be able to put all of those on, given how detailed is the image I think I'll put the image of the woman you linked on the back.
Typically I think the opposite is done, but since it's a metal sheet there should be no difference what goes on which side anyway.
A copper sheet is well-chosen. I have heard that it oxydizes very easily though, so maybe research that to determine the best way to engrave and preserve it.
>Well I'll try the next Libra later on I guess, got more time to study up.
That should work. Wishing you good luck.
There may also be some great elections for the other planets in the meanwhile, so keep an eye out.
>Now thinking about it... how the fuck am I supposed to wear it, it's a 4 inches sheet of copper.
You don't have to, you can keep it at home and it will still work.
If you want to keep it on you, I would assume the best way to do it would be to sue the plate onto a handbag (assuming you are a woman). Or maybe a T-shirt. A necklace might also work, 4 inches may put it around the larger side of things, but it could still work.
By the way, where did you source a copper plate? E-bay?

>>40580101
>assuming you are a woman
Never seen anyone assume that anyone was a woman on this site ahaah, no, I'm a guy.
>By the way, where did you source a copper plate? E-bay?
Amazon, nothing more simple, "4 inches copper sheet" should find you what you need.
>I have heard that it oxydizes very easily though, so maybe research that to determine the best way to engrave and preserve it.
Didn't consider this, will keep it in mind, thanks.

Looking for a shitty new age magick book with a yellow cover from the 60's i believe. The author had written at least 3 or 4 other books. Some anon was shilling it back half a decade ago.
I am sorry it is vague but i don't remember much of it. Contains vulgatized Golden Dawn stuff. Written like a self help prototype but with a handful of spells. (Knowledge, riches, love etc).

Would appreciate a heads up or suggestions.

>>40580154
I think his last name was Jaspery or something "ja-".

>>40580128
>Never seen anyone assume that anyone was a woman on this site ahaah, no, I'm a guy.
Well, you have now I guess, lol.
>Amazon
I see, thanks.
>Didn't consider this, will keep it in mind, thanks.
Alright, good luck. There's probably more information online on this topic that may be helpful.

>>40541299
Oh so you don't actually know anything, thanks anyway

>>40541854
Lmao welcome to omg, this is how it dies every-single-fucking-time, the retards in this thread don't know anything, you will never get a good answer it's always basic as fuck. Example >>40541209
Then you get the mongs that just name drop grimoires. The worst are the pajeet wannabes, you can thank the anal junkie ape for that crap

>>40580154
New Avatar power?

>>40581297
I love you so much anon. Such an old memory you just revived. Thank you infinitely.

>>40581314
I have worked with it. Nitiaka spell is easy and works.

Elubatel spell worked too in unexpected ways. (Lost my job, went unemployed 3 months, then got a much better job)

Love and lottery winning spell have not worked for me though

Are Lilith spells combined with subliminals bullshit

>>40581328
Only worked with one spell. Incantated once, worked a few weeks later. Got a visit from Azrael, thankfully i never denied God (was agnostic) so i got sent back.
I'm going back into golden dawn and wanted to extrapolate what was in that book.
Very grateful for your intervention.

>>40540568
The lamb of revelation here.
Here's a tip: all I did, for the most part, was build my faith in the Word, Pray, and Work.

Now my whole body and mind vibrates 24/7, quite enjoyably, and everything around falls into place naturally in a supernatural way that can only be described as His grace.

Pray the Lord's Prayer as written by Matthew, and live it. Have faith.

>>40544210
Follow this pseudoname on 4plebs and you'll see.

>>40548848

You call that an altar? Lol. Amazing.
Just like Moses said about Mount Ebal.
Clearly they implanted the pieces,
you just need to put it together.
Why did Moses break the two tablets?
<3

>>40580154
>>40581297
Really?
>>40564993
>>40565028

>>40582256
The testimonials are very fake. In fact, from Gray Cobb daughter website you can buy a version without them. But: the point of those testimonials is to make you accept more easily what you get from working the book.

That book should be seen as an introduction to occultism, and in Studio Arcanis forum usually had a lot of people discussing it. There is another book from the same author called the mystic grimoire of mighty spells and rituals. Is a new age approach to magick and as such it should be worked from a Chaos magick perspective

>>40582256
My bad, should've read the thread more closely. I had just spend 3h in the archives of /omg/ trying to find it, i was getting hopeless.

>>40582275
lol "frater malak"

>>40582275
>"Please note that buying this book on any retail area, other than the authors website will not contain The Talisman and Amulet Kit or a personalized autograph. This kit is needed to work the Rituals in the book."
The grift never ends.

>>40582416
You can find the pdf online, let the bs aside. I don't think rituals serve any other purpose than mental conditioning which enhances your chances of success.
If you're good you can just freestyle it. Anyway what's important is not the words or action, but intention when it comes to those things. It's just manifestation with extra steps.

>>40582470
To begin with, this Frater Malak (or Geof Gray Cobb or whatever else he wants to go by) strikes me as the William Walker Atkinson of his day.
If I'm gonna do any kind of grimoire magic, I'd rather just do that instead of the new-agefied version of it. I remember thumbing through NAP and cringing hard.

>>40582470
>intention
>manifestation
lmao...

>>40582566
It's very cringy i give you that kek. Still, it's a lot more accessible.

>>40582592
You have the same appendages as those who did, wrote and told before you. So yes, ultimately you are able to create and explore the experience just as well, if not better, with your words and actions. What arises before words and actions is intention.

>>40582804
jfc more word salad lol. "intention" and "manifestation" were just the olives on top.

>>40582566
You are not taking into account the public it is directed to. Americans are just too dumb and the hippie era was in vogue at the time.

If you added demons or spirits, the the ultra Christian wouldn't buy it, the book has even a big subtitle in the intro: Evil Spirits? Not Here!
All in all, remember that at that time the psychological explanation of magick was also the most popular

>>40583006
I've seen my grandparents' pictures through the 70s and 80s. I don't care what was in vogue back then. You own your bad choices. Everyone does.
And what sensible person tries to sell occult books to "ultra Christians" anyway? I'm not giving anybody from that time any outs from their poor choices.

What tools do I have to get my current wife (soon to be ex as she served me recently) to reconsider? I'm the one who walked out like an idiot (didn't cheat, just a common case of grass is always greener syndrome). I realized the severity of the mistake and how she loved me unconditionally. I never physically hurt her, but perhaps I said some mean things to her at times. I'm in unchartered waters here and would really appreciate some guidance.

>>40566000
You can make them yourself, just gotta follow a logic and order to things. Pack more symbolism into something and it becomes more potent, pack in symbolism that follows the macrocosm within the microcosm, and the microcosm within the macrocosm. As you make it "just so", it will become "just so".

>>40585654
Thanks for the response, although I prefer to rely on more traditional methods. I actually got ChatGPT to explain the use of magic squares to me, pretty reliably, to my surprise. So I think I am well equipped to create the sigil for any spirit, once I know its name and basic planetary correspondence.

>>40580057
>>40580128
By the way, since you mentioned you are working with copper, are you the guy who was asking about talismans in this thread?
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40166132
I have been keeping you in mind but hadn't been able to find you lately.

>>40586802
No, sorry.
Still have to read that thread, what's going on there?

I did a sigil yesterday for something and something completely surprising happened that I didn't see coming at all but it still kinda followed the sigil. I think universe has a funny sense of humour sometimes.

>>40541973
>Cherry picking your magic is a recipe for disaster.
According to what, your dogma?
>Pick a religion. Dedicate yourself to its crafts.
OK, you answered

>>40587285
>universe has a funny sense of humour sometimes
Absolutely

>>40565102
>Who are the /x/ haters that are on /x/ all the time hating on all the /x/ topics in all the /x/ general threads?
Same as christcucks, they try to convert us to their dogma

>>40587146
No need to read it, it's just general talk and me saying I would talk with another anon about talismans later. Some of the information in the thread is also wrong.
As a side note, get a respirator mask with protective glasses too for engraving work. It's important for safety.

Don't really want to start a whole thread, but is there any legend or myth of someone that followers of Judaism can't look at, and if they happen to glance at them they have to turn away immediately?

>>40587682
The messiah, they say he's the one they are waiting for but they lie as he would destroy their status quo and humans cling to power like a fly to shit.

>>40587693
>The messiah, they say he's the one they are waiting for but they lie as he would destroy their status quo and humans cling to power like a fly to shit.
Oh, that makes sense then.

>>40587374
>a respirator mask with protective glasses too for engraving work. It's important for safety.
Well, makes sense, but I would find it a bit strange to engrave a magical talisman while on a respirator mask.
I will still do that, I'll bless and consecrate it to make it an holy item for that purpose so it's not so strange at least.
Anyway I bought the big course from Warnock, I'll have much to learn! Gave a quick look and a mini course is apparently a single lesson of the 15 or so lesson there.

Does the Jyotish anon still come here/browse this board? Referring to these threads from years ago, they were a great contribution to /x/:
>>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/25090733
>>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/25114104
>>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/25156377

>>40589462
It is strange, isn't it? And also a chore. But I tried to start my engraving process today, and all that my engraving tool managed to do was raise a very small amount of silica dust, and not even scratch the stone. Now it's been nearly 12 hours and I am still coughing. So I am going to be purchasing more health and safety equipment and also maybe a stronger engraver. I will end up missing my Taurus Venus elections because of this.
Talisman creation is definitely a practical art too, in addition to a magical one.
>>40589963
I don't know him, but there was someone talking about astrological talismans from a Hindu perspective a couple of threads ago, and he seemed pretty knowledgeable. So that's probably the Jyotish guy.

>>40541854
Thanks for the response. That reminds me, I need to get back into figuring out energy work. Like you said, I need to figure out the "vibes" of it all.

>>40541973
>There is no separating a craft from its cosmology.
It's unusual to me that we can't go from a single, real cosmology, but separate worldviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC6jAWbGZqs
Lol "druid"

>>40592213
Wait a minute, isn't this Warnock's Latin translator? LOL.

>>40591613
>I will end up missing my Taurus Venus elections because of this.
Sad to hear, I guess I'll test with some of the extra material I got or I'll just make the circle that will encircle the rest of the art as a test.
I've found a guy on youtube that was a student of warnock use wax talismans instead of metallic ones, guess that's easier, no idea how to find that video anymore unfortunately, he was a big guy with many rings.

>>40544926
>The Material plane is fucking famously unfair.
Kindly elaborate...

>>40591613
>9963
I'll try asking again next thread since this one's about to die soon anyway, hopefully if he still lurks he'll see it lol

>>40593108
Did he have a shaven head and a black magic aesthetic?
As a side note, Warnock also teaches paper talismans. Although personally I avoid anything that isn't the traditional materials. But Warnock claims that paper talismans work, generally for 2-3 months.
>>40593725
I think he left midway through one of the recent threads because he kept getting roped into arguments and I think he got burnt out. He'll probably be back later.

>>40580608
>pajeet wannabes
The Beatles?

>>40587331
What's the ritual?
>Enlighten me!

>>40580608
>you can thank the anal junkie ape for that crap
Actually you can thank the Victorians for that.

>>40593249
>elaborate on how life is unfair
Do I really need to...?

>>40593745
>Did he have a shaven head and a black magic aesthetic?
Ok found him, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlbYHXoqE9w
I last watched the videos a lot of time ago, anything wrong with him?
>As a side note, Warnock also teaches paper talismans.
Well even if he did not teach so, I know they work by the Key of Solomon, they just work less/less time as you said, but it's not something made up by me right now, as he says, it's traditional (pre 1700).
Anyway found the PMP program, nice! But if I require both the moon to not be afflicted and the day/hour it doesn't find anything in close time range for Venus (1-2 years), do you use this program to find dates?

>>40593745
Now that I'm checking the archives, was he the one defending perennialism? If so that's extremely based

>>40594519
There's an election coming up for a very nice talisman in about 1.5 days actually, at about 09:45 GMT as long as the ASC is within 5 degrees of Venus

>>40594519
>I last watched the videos a lot of time ago, anything wrong with him?
He knows his sources and in some respects I think he sticks to them a little bit more faithfully than Warnock. But I think that his background in black magic and demon work influences his view of astrological magic too much. A lot of the things he says, if I take them seriously, would damage my own practice. So I stick with Warnock, the traditional texts, and my own intuition.
>>40595232
I think there were a few posters who were involved in that argument. I don't know if he was, though.
>>40597712
This is very similar to the one I was going to use, yes. Assuming it is Venus hour (maybe even Venus day), it is a better version of the election I was planning to use.